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Post by Caviar on Jul 26, 2019 9:07:18 GMT -5
Doubt it. People are loving the song now!
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Jul 26, 2019 9:45:40 GMT -5
It is very obvious the label is influencing things, as its consistent disastrous callouts would have been enough to send most any other song (without label interference) collapsing down the chart. It's not as if it is streaming incredibly well (out of the top 50 on Spotify, unimpressive YouTube views etc) to justify its consistency at radio. Regardless, I never had an issue with payola, as the person said above: the label is just playing the game. I hope she can score a top 10 on pop radio with this, as it will be the singular victory needed to make its performance respectable IMO.
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Post by deepston on Jul 26, 2019 9:53:28 GMT -5
Capitol is just playing the game 👀☕ When this happens to certain female stars it's payola. When it happens to Katy it's just the label playing the game :kii:
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Post by Choco on Jul 26, 2019 9:58:38 GMT -5
my reputation's never been worse so...
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Post by Wavey✨️ on Jul 26, 2019 10:18:22 GMT -5
Capitol is just playing the game 👀☕ When this happens to certain female stars it's payola. When it happens to Katy it's just the label playing the game :kii: I mean it's nowhere near number 1(and then falling right after it's peak)but yeah . It's done well so far, and #11 would be great for her after the Witness era, but clearly Capitol is making sure they don't recreate a Witness situation again.
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Jul 26, 2019 10:22:08 GMT -5
When this happens to certain female stars it's payola. When it happens to Katy it's just the label playing the game :kii: I mean it's nowhere near number 1 but yeah As if that has absolutely any bearing on whether or not the general use of payola is seen as a positive or negative thing. Always "exceptions" and "excuses" to justify when it is an artist/song one likes. lol Payola is payola. As far as it falling after its peak: stay tuned.
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Post by Wavey✨️ on Jul 26, 2019 10:24:53 GMT -5
I mean it's nowhere near number 1 but yeah As if that has absolutely any bearing on whether or not the general use of payola is seen as a positive or negative thing. Always "exceptions" and "excuses" to justify when it is an artist/song one likes. lol Payola is payola. As far as it falling after its peak: stay tuned. True🤷🏽♂️
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Jul 26, 2019 10:29:09 GMT -5
As if that has absolutely any bearing on whether or not the general use of payola is seen as a positive or negative thing. Always "exceptions" and "excuses" to justify when it is an artist/song one likes. lol Payola is payola. As far as it falling after its peak: stay tuned. True🤷🏽♂️ I have always argued payola isn't even a deal at all. It is what happens in the industry, with many artists. If a label can do what it takes to get their artist their maximum peak then they have done their job. It has happened with Kelly, Adele, Taylor, Britney, Katy and more. I just find it odd that it can be a stain on one artist's roster, but a blessing on another's. lol
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2019 10:38:20 GMT -5
The difference between this song's last few weeks and, for example, Look What You Made Me Do—this song hasn't had any dramatically huge losses or gains so payola accusations can't really be substantiated, although who really knows. With the latter, that song dramatically changed courses just briefly enough to hit #1 and then dropped like a rock. It was clearly a manipulation of the chart. Not saying Capitol isn't doing it here, but it's at least not the same situation (but I'm sure they would if they felt they had to).
Also, I think Pulse gives WAY too much weight to callout scores. At least more than radio programmers do.
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Post by kimberly on Jul 26, 2019 11:57:22 GMT -5
It is very obvious the label is influencing things, as its consistent disastrous callouts would have been enough to send most any other song (without label interference) collapsing down the chart. You have a point (kind of) but let's remember Mediabase is not the single universally accepted and used callout reference and radio programmers might be enjoying the song enough to give this a spin on their own. LWYMMD, on the other hand, was easily the best example of a label forced #1.
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Post by Legenderry on Jul 26, 2019 12:35:29 GMT -5
A label advertising a song sitting at #11 as "about to go top 10" is payola now? Payola would be closing out the panel on adds date with multiple songs and afterwards breaking multiple records for most negative bullets ever with said songs.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2019 13:48:48 GMT -5
Yeah, I think we need to draw the line between 'blatant push into top 10' and 'label doing its job to keep a song alive in hopes that it can attain a top 10 peak which is now within reach.' There's not even a guarantee she could (officially) reach top ten on both Mediabase and BB pop; if the way Capitol handled DWAS is any indication, that label cares more about one (Mediabase) than the other (BB).
I also think they're trying to be careful not to be so overt about it. Katy's standing with both radio and the gp is still tenuous rn and imo it's important for her that whatever peak this song gets looks as organic as possible so people don't become reflexively resistant. So to me this reads more like a team that would like to see NRO get the peak, but is not going to entirely stick out its neck for it.
I do agree that in 'normal' circumstances a song with such bad callout probably would have been dropped by now, but 'normal' circumstances typically involve being surrounded by a number of songs with much better callout for radio to choose. Other songs within NRO's range (say, 9-15) for the past few weeks are either much older and falling or have weak callout themselves. Goodbyes is the only song in that area that is new and gaining steadily but even it is not steamrolling quite fast enough that NRO's #11 peak should be a foregone conclusion just yet.
Taylor does blatantly push, and this isn't 1989 Taylor who can do no wrong, it's post-Reputation Taylor who is coming off four (five? six?) songs with bad reception. Taylor should have been Witnessed by now if we want to make comparisons and talk about what should have been enough to do someone in without label interference - you would think at some point radio would be like 'sis, this isn't working out' and give her the cold shoulder. But radio is still express laning her to top 10 peaks before callout can show up and torpedo her. Katy is not getting such white glove treatment and I think most people recognize that, which is why they're willing to gloss over the smaller favor being thrown in her direction.
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Post by wjr15 on Jul 26, 2019 14:24:00 GMT -5
Capitol is just playing the game 👀☕ When this happens to certain female stars it's payola. When it happens to Katy it's just the label playing the game :kii: It helps that NRO is a quality pop song
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Post by leonagwen on Jul 26, 2019 14:33:13 GMT -5
This has been an interesting chart run. Day by day we dont know what will happen. Today it got a +99 update, who knows what happens tomorrow? Anything is possible.
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Post by wjr15 on Jul 26, 2019 14:36:54 GMT -5
I mean it's nowhere near number 1 but yeah As if that has absolutely any bearing on whether or not the general use of payola is seen as a positive or negative thing. Always "exceptions" and "excuses" to justify when it is an artist/song one likes. lol Payola is payola. As far as it falling after its peak: stay tuned. It’s already #11, why not push it one more spot to #10? It’s not like they’re trying to push it to #1 or make it gain hundreds of spins per day. You’re making a mountain out of a mole hill. Yeah so what if it’s payola? No Katy stan is getting defensive about it.
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Post by deepston on Jul 26, 2019 14:45:22 GMT -5
When this happens to certain female stars it's payola. When it happens to Katy it's just the label playing the game :kii: It helps that NRO is a quality pop song So payola is excusable when supposably there is quality? And it doesn't help that the callouts for this are atrocious.
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Post by deepston on Jul 26, 2019 14:48:44 GMT -5
Anyway, I hope this goes top 10 and that the song doesn't die quickly because it's actually a good listen.
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Post by wjr15 on Jul 26, 2019 14:52:07 GMT -5
It helps that NRO is a quality pop song So payola is excusable when supposably there is quality? And it doesn't help that the callouts for this are atrocious. The Mediabase callouts are horrible but there’s other ways that stations get feedback. Rate The Music callouts have NRO doing amazingly well. Also, it helps that NRO had critical acclaim and streaming/sales stability (especially after so many misses between 2017 and now). NRO “payola” is a completely different situation from LWYMMD “payola”
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Post by deepston on Jul 26, 2019 15:45:30 GMT -5
So payola is excusable when supposably there is quality? And it doesn't help that the callouts for this are atrocious. The Mediabase callouts are horrible but there’s other ways that stations get feedback. Rate The Music callouts have NRO doing amazingly well. Also, it helps that NRO had critical acclaim and streaming/sales stability (especially after so many misses between 2017 and now). NRO “payola” is a completely different situation from LWYMMD “payola” I'm not saying the situations are similar. Just calling out the hypocrisy, that's all.
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Post by Taylor. on Jul 26, 2019 15:48:23 GMT -5
Payola isn't only used to hit #1 with massive updates.
People were screaming payola and calling her a fraud the minute ME! had a decent update/didn't start free falling after its bad callouts came out was all I was saying, lol. I'm not mad this is getting a push! I want that top 10 peak!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2019 18:59:29 GMT -5
Cackling now bc I just let it sink in that Katy needs her label mate to fall for her to rise. Capitol doesn't even have to push her song to make this happen, they just need to pull all support from DWAS (which I'm sure they already are bc Sam has a new single) so she can get that Sunday peak. Ugh, their MINDS your faves could never
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Post by Ty on Jul 26, 2019 19:05:33 GMT -5
Does Top 10 on Pop radio really matter to anyone outside her diehard fans circle?
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Post by wjr15 on Jul 26, 2019 21:26:39 GMT -5
Does Top 10 on Pop radio really matter to anyone outside her diehard fans circle? Yes. It matters to her haters too :sip2:
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Post by Envoirment on Jul 26, 2019 21:37:28 GMT -5
I'm here for this song living up to its name though. Everytime I think it might be over, it bounces back. If it hits the top 10 I hope that it doesn't drop like a rock after. Perhaps with the callout improvements it might continue creeping up a little?
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Post by Au$tin on Jul 26, 2019 23:42:08 GMT -5
07/26/2019 Callout Research (1,198 people surveyed)
-73.1% of people surveyed are familiar with this song (876) --52.8% of those people felt positively about this song (462) --14.8% of those people say this is one of their favorite songs right now (130) --22.7% of those people felt negatively about this song (199) --9.0% of those people are tired of hearing this song (79) -30.0% Net Positive score (264)
Percent Ranks Positive: #20/20 Favorite: #20/20 Negative: #7/20 Burn Rate: #13/20 Net Positive: #18/20 Familiarity: #18/20
Raw Number Ranks: Positive: #19/20 Favorite: #20/20 Negative: #12/20 Burn Rate: #14/20 Net Positive: #19/20
Overall Rank: #20/20 (#30/30 with recurrents)
Dayum, girl! Positive joins the land of the living with a 3.9 percentage point increase! Finally over 50% there. Favorite also sees a huge boost by 2.1 percentage points. I mean, it's still got the lowest favorite score, but hey! Negative is down by 1.6 percentage points while the burn rate remains pretty stable. Overall, these are beautiful improvements. That being said, the scores are still terrible, but at least they're moving in the correct direction by leaps and bounds!
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Post by Az Paynter on Jul 27, 2019 6:20:17 GMT -5
I think this is going to get pipped this week, but if this same energy keeps up throughout next week she's set.
POP: 12 11 KATY PERRY Never Really Over 9091 8760 331 39.047
+111 Spins +65 Bullet +0.352 Audience
HOT AC: 10 10 KATY PERRY Never Really Over 3463 3379 84 16.003
+6 Spins +25 Bullet +0.020 Audience
AC: 21 19 KATY PERRY Never Really Over 173 162 11 0.376
+2 Spins +3 Bullet +0.004 Audience
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Post by Au$tin on Jul 27, 2019 6:27:52 GMT -5
Damn, DWAS only lost 136 spins, not the 200 it needed to lose. There's still a chance this couod reach top 10 tomorrow, but it's even slimmer now than yesterday. :(
But, yeah, if these updates continue into next week, it will keep Goodbyes at bay and manage to make the top 10.
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Post by Choco on Jul 27, 2019 20:07:12 GMT -5
If the next single is comig in two weeks this needs to pick up and snatch that #10 peak soon. As soon as the label moves on I think radio is gonna drop it.
Nice to see the scores moving in the right direction, sadly they started out so terribly that it's still in last place.
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Post by kimberly on Jul 27, 2019 20:32:50 GMT -5
Does anyone know how the panel update will change things for NRO? Do we think it's going to benefit or lose against the other songs near the tier?
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Post by Az Paynter on Jul 28, 2019 5:27:30 GMT -5
Well, damn. This and a -242 for DWAS?
POP: 12 10 KATY PERRY Never Really Over 9265 8749 516 39.415
+174 Spins +185 Bullet +0.368 Audience
HOT AC: 10 10 KATY PERRY Never Really Over 3474 3375 99 16.176
+11 Spins +15 Bullet +0.173 Audience
AC: 20 19 KATY PERRY Never Really Over 175 160 15 0.387
+2 Spins +4 Bullet +0.011 Audience
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