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Post by onebuffalo on Oct 18, 2019 13:21:39 GMT -5
^Didn't DFTRM peak at Number 1 on Mediabase? I did do a Google search, but Wikipedia didn't say anything about Mediabase...just a No. 2 peak on BB. Don't Forget To Remember Me peaked at #2 behind Brad Paisley's The World in 2006.
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Post by sabre14 on Oct 18, 2019 16:41:00 GMT -5
^Didn't DFTRM peak at Number 1 on Mediabase? I did do a Google search, but Wikipedia didn't say anything about Mediabase...just a No. 2 peak on BB. It did. Wikipedia usually just references Billboard peaks, so that's not new. "Don't Forget to Remember Me" earned the Mediabase #1 that week over "The World" by Brad Paisley by just 6 points...literally, one or two less spins and she wouldn't have gotten it. Both songs actually lost bullets that week, so it was a pretty rare #1 circumstance. That was also two weeks before R&R officially changed their charts to reflect Billboard audience numbers and Country Aircheck was created to keep showing MB positions.
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Post by 14887fan on Oct 21, 2019 20:12:04 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2019 20:13:39 GMT -5
Based on that quote, I definitely think itâll be âDrinking Alone.â Itâs the only song there seems to be a consensus on.
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Post by bigd79 on Oct 21, 2019 20:23:42 GMT -5
Yeah, Drinking Alone has been much more asked for as a single than both backsliding and the bullet...and end up with you as well. It HAS to be Drinking Alone!
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Post by Naos on Oct 21, 2019 20:24:22 GMT -5
Dropped out of the Hot 100, peak of #64 and 13 weeks on the chart.
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Post by taylor on Oct 21, 2019 20:30:05 GMT -5
Based on that, it sounds like the label went with Drinking Alone, and I'm HERE for it! Absolutely the correct choice! (Hold me to this on the night of November 13)
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Post by Elusive Chanteuse on Oct 21, 2019 21:01:22 GMT -5
She sings Backsliding, Drinking Alone, End Up With You, The Bullet, and Low in her tour so based on what she said it has to be either DA or EUWY.
Iâm personally hoping for Drinking Alone, because one, that is a career song (yes it is that fantastic) and two, it will easily be a big hit no doubt.
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Post by bboat11 on Oct 22, 2019 4:20:32 GMT -5
Now watch it be "Low"
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Post by Carriefan1190 on Oct 22, 2019 10:20:49 GMT -5
My money is on Low or Drinking Alone. Both would crush it at country radio. Save EUWY for a potential 5th single in the spring. It would smash as well!
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Post by NeRD on Oct 22, 2019 13:23:18 GMT -5
Although Low is a great song and definitely a career highlight, I just think it would be too slow for radio. If it's not Drinking Alone, I think the next best choice would be End Up With You.
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Post by Carriefan1190 on Oct 22, 2019 15:54:35 GMT -5
Although Low is a great song and definitely a career highlight, I just think it would be too slow for radio. If it's not Drinking Alone, I think the next best choice would be End Up With You. I could see her going with Low, mostly because she slays the vocals and vocally, itâs one of the best songs that she has recorded. I do agree that it might be too slow for radio. EUWY is too upbeat imo for a fall release, so that leads me to Drinking Alone. If she does release DA next, she better not spare any expense on the music video, because if done right, it could be one heck of a video.
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Post by taylor on Oct 22, 2019 17:19:03 GMT -5
Although Low is a great song and definitely a career highlight, I just think it would be too slow for radio. If it's not Drinking Alone, I think the next best choice would be End Up With You. I could see her going with Low, mostly because she slays the vocals and vocally, itâs one of the best songs that she has recorded. I do agree that it might be too slow for radio. EUWY is too upbeat imo for a fall release, so that leads me to Drinking Alone. If she does release DA next, she better not spare any expense on the music video, because if done right, it could be one heck of a video. Please can we have a Blown Away-era style video for DA? It's been a minute since we've had a music video that was as incredible as the song.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Oct 22, 2019 17:19:25 GMT -5
I don't think "Low" would be a big hit on country radio; I actually can imagine it struggling more than "Love Wins" did, because if something that sounded more suited for radio like LW missed the top 10, I'd be shocked for radio to take highly to "Low." "End Up with You" is probably the safest choice for what radio likes and "Drinking Alone" is likely the one that will move the needle the most, so it should really be between those two options ("Drinking" is my preference by far though). Whatever is next will most likely be the last single as well, because she's had much stronger eras at radio than Cry Pretty and the only one where she's opted for a 5th release was Carnival Ride.
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Post by Wackadoodle on Oct 23, 2019 5:06:52 GMT -5
"Drinking Alone" is the fan favorite that will bomb on radio. "Backsliding" will please everyone and be another #1. Maybe they'll release both. Carrie seems to not be in a hurry to release new music so I wouldn't mind that plan.
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Post by g8erboi on Oct 23, 2019 7:28:33 GMT -5
How in the world would Drinking Alone bomb on radio? Did I read that correctly?
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Post by carrieidol1 on Oct 23, 2019 8:24:44 GMT -5
"Drinking Alone" is the fan favorite that will bomb on radio. "Backsliding" will please everyone and be another #!. Maybe they'll release both. Carrie seems to not be in a hurry to release new music so I wouldn't mind that plan. I can only hope DA is released just to prove you wrong, if it âbombsâ, then thereâs absolutely no hope for women at country radio. Itâs a top-quality song about a relatable topic tailor-made for radio... âBackslidingâ is far more polarizing in terms of its sound as well as overall reception.
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Post by Wackadoodle on Oct 23, 2019 8:42:03 GMT -5
I see some people want to challenge Alpha on her predictions.
Go right ahead. You're free to disagree. You predict that "Drinking Alone" will be a hit and I think it'll fizzle out in the teens. There will be no conflict. You prefer "Drinking Alone" and I prefer "Backsliding." There will be no conflict.
I'm done talking. If Dungan goes down this road and flops with DA instead of listening to my advice and releasing "Backsliding," ruining Carrie's momentum, there will be conflict.
Seriously, "Backsliding" is "Heartbeat" part 2. I can see it right now. Amazing tester that won't sell well and won't energize the fan base but will have no trouble making the top 5 and probably #1. "Drinking Alone" is the favorite with the base that the GP can't get behind, but it'll sell well and help juice the album sales. It's a marketing decision right now. Do they want to focus on album and single sales and streaming profits earlier on in the album era, at risk of losing some radio momentum, or do they keep the radio momentum going and let the profits tick down a bit? It's all up to Mr. Dungan and his gang of corporate elites. We're waiting on you to announce your move, Big Mike. Let's play. Are you going for the awards, sales and critical acclaim, or the general radio-listening audience?
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Post by austin on Oct 23, 2019 8:48:08 GMT -5
I like Carrie but actually think Cry Pretty was a HUGE step up in quality for her album-wise, even if it feels like buzz around her is much lower than past eras. "Drinking Alone" is PHENOMENAL and they are insane if they don't send it to radio.
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Post by ladyđfan on Oct 23, 2019 9:08:43 GMT -5
Dungan this, Dungan that... Iâm getting tired of hearing that name in every thread.
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Post by Wackadoodle on Oct 23, 2019 9:24:52 GMT -5
Dungan this, Dungan that... Iâm getting tired of hearing that name in every thread. I'm just not happy with the way he's running his label at all. I think it was an awful play of him to give Luke Bryan two weeks at #1 with a record that wasn't particularly popular at the expense of sacrificing Carrie's week. Both records had weak callouts, so I don't understand why Bryan's deserved two weeks and Carrie's deserved zero. It seems shady and unfair. I don't like to play the sexist card, but I can't help but wonder if a female CEO might have made a different decision. I went to Carrie's concert and saw her live. She works hard and really deserved that #1 way more than Bryan deserved two weeks. Not usually a fan of Carrie's music, but I call it like it is. This just feels icky and not right.
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Post by raylatch98 on Oct 23, 2019 9:47:04 GMT -5
Dungan this, Dungan that... Iâm getting tired of hearing that name in every thread. I'm just not happy with the way he's running his label at all. I think it was an awful play of him to give Luke Bryan two weeks at #1 with a record that wasn't particularly popular at the expense of sacrificing Carrie's week. Both records had weak callouts, so I don't understand why Bryan's deserved two weeks and Carrie's deserved zero. It seems shady and unfair. I don't like to play the sexist card, but I can't help but wonder if a female CEO might have made a different decision. I went to Carrie's concert and saw her live. She works hard and really deserved that #1 way more than Bryan deserved two weeks. Not usually a fan of Carrie's music, but I call it like it is. This just feels icky and not right. Its not that Bryan deserved two weeks it's that "Knockin Boots" got lucky timing for when it hit #1, as from what I recall either the second week (it all blends together after a while) there was no real challengers for the top spot because there was such a large gap between Luke Bryan and the songs below him. A decent amount of getting #1 and for however many weeks the song is #1 is luck and timing. Also both songs are #1 songs at the end of the day, so does it really matter? Also I find it laughable that you said "Knockin Boots" was not that popular of a hit when it peaked at #31 on the Hot 100 which factors in radio airplay, sales, streams, etc. Especially when compared to "Southbound" which peaked at #64 on the Hot 100. I love Carrie Underwood and I have grown to appreciate "Southbound" as time has gone on, but let's not act like these songs were both huge hits both equally deserving of the same time at #1. Luke Bryan's was a lead single that sold and streamed very well like a usual A-lister single does while Carrie Underwood's song was a safe inoffensive third single from an album that got back some radio momentum, but never quite stood out from a sales and streaming perspective (evident by its low Hot Country Songs chart peak). At the end of the day, both songs hit #1 (Carrie's was a Mediabase only #1 but it will be labelled a #1 by the industry), and UMG Nashville still remains very successful with having huge recognizable names like Carrie Underwood, Eric Church, Sam Hunt, Luke Bryan, Dierks Bentley, and Chris Stapleton. Also not for nothing, Carrie Underwood also has a say in what her singles are.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Oct 23, 2019 9:55:17 GMT -5
As much as I would've loved to see "Southbound" hit #1 on BB, it was definitely not a bigger hit than Luke Bryan's "Knockin' Boots" and whether that 'deserved' a second week or not at the top, I don't think that it really affected Carrie in any way. raylatch98 is correct.
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Post by Wackadoodle on Oct 23, 2019 10:13:46 GMT -5
I'm just not happy with the way he's running his label at all. I think it was an awful play of him to give Luke Bryan two weeks at #1 with a record that wasn't particularly popular at the expense of sacrificing Carrie's week. Both records had weak callouts, so I don't understand why Bryan's deserved two weeks and Carrie's deserved zero. It seems shady and unfair. I don't like to play the sexist card, but I can't help but wonder if a female CEO might have made a different decision. I went to Carrie's concert and saw her live. She works hard and really deserved that #1 way more than Bryan deserved two weeks. Not usually a fan of Carrie's music, but I call it like it is. This just feels icky and not right. Its not that Bryan deserved two weeks it's that "Knockin Boots" got lucky timing for when it hit #1, as from what I recall either the second week (it all blends together after a while) there was no real challengers for the top spot because there was such a large gap between Luke Bryan and the songs below him. A decent amount of getting #1 and for however many weeks the song is #1 is luck and timing. Also both songs are #1 songs at the end of the day, so does it really matter? Also I find it laughable that you said "Knockin Boots" was not that popular of a hit when it peaked at #31 on the Hot 100 which factors in radio airplay, sales, streams, etc. Especially when compared to "Southbound" which peaked at #64 on the Hot 100. I love Carrie Underwood and I have grown to appreciate "Southbound" as time has gone on, but let's not act like these songs were both huge hits both equally deserving of the same time at #1. Luke Bryan's was a lead single that sold and streamed very well like a usual A-lister single does while Carrie Underwood's song was a safe inoffensive third single from an album that got back some radio momentum, but never quite stood out from a sales and streaming perspective (evident by its low Hot Country Songs chart peak). At the end of the day, both songs hit #1 (Carrie's was a Mediabase only #1 but it will be labelled a #1 by the industry), and UMG Nashville still remains very successful with having huge recognizable names like Carrie Underwood, Eric Church, Sam Hunt, Luke Bryan, Dierks Bentley, and Chris Stapleton. Also not for nothing, Carrie Underwood also has a say in what her singles are. Since you're using the sales/streaming metric to argue about which song is a bigger hit, you can't compare apples to oranges. Luke had a lead single. Carrie had a third single. People have already bought Carrie's album, where as Luke has no album, so fans had no choice but to download the song. I'd say they're about equal hits when you consider all things. I also don't remember "Southbound" having a week in the 20s where it had a net loss of points and only gained 43 spins. At the very least, I see this as both songs were equally big hits. However, I could easily make an argument that Carrie's was a bigger hit by comparing the chart runs and sales/streaming numbers, but I'm going to stay away from that because I don't think it's fair to make that call before Luke has had a chance to release a full album. (Although, it's interesting that the label didn't feel "Knockin' Boots" was a big enough lead single that they were confident in releasing the full album with it.) So basically, there are two ways of viewing this. Neither is wrong. 1) You could decide to maximize each hit and push it to the fullest of its potential, which means pushing Luke Bryan for a second week, then pushing Dierks for his week, then pushing Carrie. That results in a solid three weeks at #1 on Billboard and four on Mediabase. A pretty nice grab bag for the label. 2) You could view this as favoritism. Luke has been quoted saying that Blake Shelton's "God's Country" stole his song's thunder and prevented "Knockin' Boots" from being the hit it should've been. He said it in jest, of course, but I hear that and think that the label is privately thinking that Luke's their alpha male who has to compete with the other two big labels' alpha males (Luke Combs for Sony and Blake for Warner) for biggest hit of the summer. Blake got two weeks at #1. Luke Combs got two weeks at #1. Both climbed much more quickly than "Knockin' Boots." The label may have been worried about Luke losing his A-list status with a slightly under-performing single that wasn't standing up to the competition for song of the summer, and so they thought they had something to prove by getting Luke the two weeks at #1 the same as Blake and Combs. Of course, this delayed everyone a week and meant Carrie had to push for #1 at a week where the threshold for a Billboard #1 was much higher. Had the label let Luke Bryan and Dierks both just get one week and pushed Carrie the last week of September, the threshold for a Billboard #1 would have been super low (like around 35 million, a golden opportunity for a song that had lukewarm reaction from radio to snatch the top spot). Instead, they chose to make Carrie wait until the threshold was way too high for even a #2 peak. So she got stuck with the #3. She could've easily gotten that #1 the last week of September. A choice was made. I disagree with the choice. I'm not one of those people who's going to piss and moan about how unfair everything is to the super star because her song peaked at #3 instead of #1. Of course, when we step back and take a look at all of this, it is pretty trivial and petty. Carrie and Luke are both doing fine and making millions. I just personally think Carrie should've gotten that #1, as I think she had earned it just as much as Luke. You're free to disagree, of course.
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Post by 14887fan on Oct 23, 2019 10:14:55 GMT -5
Agree or disagree, itâs HAPPENING and Iâm making the single thread BYE.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2019 10:37:33 GMT -5
Agree or disagree, itâs HAPPENING and Iâm making the single thread BYE. I screamed.
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Post by taylor on Oct 23, 2019 10:45:00 GMT -5
Based on that, it sounds like the label went with Drinking Alone, and I'm HERE for it! Absolutely the correct choice! (Hold me to this on the night of November 13)
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Post by ladyđfan on Oct 23, 2019 15:21:22 GMT -5
Final Chart Run{Spoiler} 1. 60 2. 44 3. 35 4. 34 5. 29 6. 30 7. 29 8. 21 9. 19 10. 16 11. 14 12. 13 13. 12 14. 12 15. 10 16. 9 17. 8 18. 9 19. 8 20. 6 21. 6 22. 6 23. 4 24. 3 25. 13
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Post by daddy on Oct 24, 2019 2:14:49 GMT -5
Final Chart Run{Spoiler} 1. 60 2. 44 3. 35 4. 34 5. 29 6. 30 7. 29 8. 21 9. 19 10. 16 11. 14 12. 13 13. 12 14. 12 15. 10 16. 9 17. 8 18. 9 19. 8 20. 6 21. 6 22. 6 23. 4 24. 3 25. 13 [img class="smile" src="//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/embarrassed.png" alt=" " style="max-width:100%;"] And on Mediabase?
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Post by desertfloods on Oct 24, 2019 2:19:41 GMT -5
Thanks Southbound, might not be my top favs but you did your job well for this era!
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