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Post by rockgolf on Mar 27, 2020 10:27:49 GMT -5
Several older Joel Whitburn books on the Billboard charts are, as a result of the current emergency, currently available for 2 week digitial borrowing at the Internet Archive site.
These include books on top 40 & top 100 hits, as well as all-time lists, album charts and other formats like country, rock & soul. I haven't seen any with dates past 1995, but if your interested in earlier chart records, go to the Internet Archive book library,Search for Joel Whitburn. Sign up and you can "borrow" up to 10 books at a time. Of course, there's way more than Billboard books available, but I think this might be of most interest to this section.
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Mar 27, 2020 11:10:22 GMT -5
^Thanks for the heads up! Here's the catalog of his books available:
Also, books can be borrowed for 14 days. In my case, I had to install Adobe Digital Editions, since the borrowed books have DRM.
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Post by 𝕡𝕙𝕖𝕖𝕓𝕤 on Mar 29, 2020 18:11:57 GMT -5
Where would “Hate Me” & “hot girl bummer” have peaked on the Hot 100 if they peaked on streaming & radio simultaneously, rather than months apart?
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Post by Henry Suárez on Apr 4, 2020 23:20:54 GMT -5
Wow, I wanted to read these books for a while, the system he uses is simple and basic but fun!
I'm checking the top 1000 hits from 1955-2005.
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Post by metrocub777 on Apr 9, 2020 17:21:19 GMT -5
Hello I'm a newbie here,
In 2002, there were only 7 actual # 1 singles for the year. Did it have anything to do with the huge decline in the retail singles market causing less competition at the top? Did it seem like the Hot 100 was becoming more of an airplay chart during this time period? Just curious to hear some thoughts about 2002.
Thanks
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Post by iHype. on Apr 9, 2020 17:30:41 GMT -5
Hello I'm a newbie here, In 2002, there were only 7 actual # 1 singles for the year. Did it have anything to do with the huge decline in the retail singles market causing less competition at the top? Did it seem like the Hot 100 was becoming more of an airplay chart during this time period? Just curious to hear some thoughts about 2002. Thanks Yes, the chart was basically all airplay which slowed it down. 2002-2005 had a slow turnover, then 2006-2009 was much quicker once single sales started booming again. Mainly because songs can get huge sales/streams over a few weeks, then collapse, while at radio once something goes all the way to #1 it usually stays in power rotation for a few months.
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Post by dawhite76 on Apr 10, 2020 9:45:42 GMT -5
Does anyone know why the BDS charts have not updated this week? Each chart that I access is still for 4/4/20. Since Billboard's charts have updated to April 11, I would assume BDS is still operating.
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Post by shoocoochoocoo on Apr 10, 2020 12:28:28 GMT -5
It shows: Issue Date: 4/11/2020
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Post by dawhite76 on Apr 10, 2020 14:29:52 GMT -5
Thanks...I should have posted this sooner! I wonder why they were delayed this week.
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Post by renaboss on Apr 11, 2020 18:00:26 GMT -5
Guys, quick question: does Mediabase provide the info for the Billboard radio chart? Or Nielsen BDS? Which is it?
I guess what I wanna know is, what would be the official follow-up to the Radio & Records chart?
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Post by somelikeitwhen on Apr 11, 2020 19:13:19 GMT -5
Guys, quick question: does Mediabase provide the info for the Billboard radio chart? Or Nielsen BDS? Which is it? I guess what I wanna know is, what would be the official follow-up to the Radio & Records chart? Nielsen BDS, especially considering they and Billboard are both owned by the same people.
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Post by renaboss on Apr 12, 2020 9:16:44 GMT -5
Guys, quick question: does Mediabase provide the info for the Billboard radio chart? Or Nielsen BDS? Which is it? I guess what I wanna know is, what would be the official follow-up to the Radio & Records chart? Nielsen BDS, especially considering they and Billboard are both owned by the same people. So when Radio & Records was absorbed by Billboard, Nielsen became the official source for their radio data?
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Post by somelikeitwhen on Apr 12, 2020 10:30:53 GMT -5
Nielsen BDS, especially considering they and Billboard are both owned by the same people. So when Radio & Records was absorbed by Billboard, Nielsen became the official source for their radio data? Yes.
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Post by renaboss on Apr 12, 2020 14:32:40 GMT -5
Sorry, one more: when Radio & Records was absorbed by Billboard, what chart did they start doing? Radio Songs? Pop Songs? Any other?
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Post by Mayman on Apr 12, 2020 14:33:38 GMT -5
Sorry, one more: when Radio & Records was absorbed by Billboard, what chart did they start doing? Radio Songs? Pop Songs? Any other? They used all of Billboard's radio charts (Pop Songs, Rhythmic, Mainstream R&B & Hip Hop, Adult R&B, Alt, etc)
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Post by renaboss on Apr 12, 2020 14:39:17 GMT -5
Sorry, one more: when Radio & Records was absorbed by Billboard, what chart did they start doing? Radio Songs? Pop Songs? Any other? They used all of Billboard's radio charts (Pop Songs, Rhythmic, Mainstream R&B & Hip Hop, Adult R&B, Alt, etc) So which one would you say would be the direct continuation of the Radio & Records chart after it stopped in 2006?
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Post by Mayman on Apr 12, 2020 14:45:57 GMT -5
They used all of Billboard's radio charts (Pop Songs, Rhythmic, Mainstream R&B & Hip Hop, Adult R&B, Alt, etc) So which one would you say would be the direct continuation of the Radio & Records chart after it stopped in 2006? What do you mean? R&R had multiple formats and the successors for those charts in their magazine was BDS/Billboard.
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Post by renaboss on Apr 12, 2020 15:11:23 GMT -5
So which one would you say would be the direct continuation of the Radio & Records chart after it stopped in 2006? What do you mean? R&R had multiple formats and the successors for those charts in their magazine was BDS/Billboard. I mean this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Radio_%26_Records_number-one_singlesJoel Whitburn acknowledges the Radio & Records number ones as US number ones, like the ones on the Hot 100 and the Cash Box and Record World charts. RW ended in 82, CB in 96, and RR in 2006. But since RR continues in some way, I guess what I'd like to know is what the official continuation would be. Wikipedia uses Mediabase still (per that page I linked), but if RR is Billboard, what would the main chart they work on be? Radio Songs?
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Post by Mayman on Apr 12, 2020 15:13:36 GMT -5
What do you mean? R&R had multiple formats and the successors for those charts in their magazine was BDS/Billboard. I mean this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Radio_%26_Records_number-one_singlesJoel Whitburn acknowledges the Radio & Records number ones as US number ones, like the ones on the Hot 100 and the Cash Box and Record World charts. RW ended in 82, CB in 96, and RR in 2006. But since RR continues in some way, I guess what I'd like to know is what the official continuation would be. Wikipedia uses Mediabase still (per that page I linked), but if RR is Billboard, what would the main chart they work on be? Radio Songs? Oh I get what you mean, not sure about that tbh. Sorry for the confusion
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Post by somelikeitwhen on Apr 12, 2020 22:58:26 GMT -5
What do you mean? R&R had multiple formats and the successors for those charts in their magazine was BDS/Billboard. I mean this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Radio_%26_Records_number-one_singlesJoel Whitburn acknowledges the Radio & Records number ones as US number ones, like the ones on the Hot 100 and the Cash Box and Record World charts. RW ended in 82, CB in 96, and RR in 2006. But since RR continues in some way, I guess what I'd like to know is what the official continuation would be. Wikipedia uses Mediabase still (per that page I linked), but if RR is Billboard, what would the main chart they work on be? Radio Songs? There never was a "main chart" for R&R/BDS or Mediabase. They only have genre charts.
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Post by rockgolf on Apr 15, 2020 6:22:31 GMT -5
Billboard just laid off their entire IT staff yesterday. Good luck with getting accurate charts now
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Post by Soundcl🕤ck on Apr 15, 2020 7:40:24 GMT -5
Billboard just laid off their entire IT staff yesterday. Good luck with getting accurate charts now this is sad honestly.
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Post by rockgolf on Apr 15, 2020 8:47:48 GMT -5
Does not look good. "Valence is on “financially shaky” ground, the source told The Post, adding that since the coronavirus pandemic hit, “the bottom fell out” for the company."
There's a not insignificant chance Billboard will cease operations before year's end.
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Post by campbellssoup on Apr 16, 2020 15:31:15 GMT -5
With the large amount of artists holding back releases, would it be likely that the charts will be dominated by sleeper/indie/Tik Tok songs? If artists are delaying or postponing their album cycles I could see songs like Death Bed, Supalonely, Roses, Sunday Best, etc. rising a ton once people get tired of hits like Blinding Lights, Don't Start Now or Circles. I think this could make for an interesting year in the charts as Tik Tok is bound to produce more breakout hits as long as it exists.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2020 3:53:13 GMT -5
Question: what's the difference between double-sided singles like "Something About the Way You Look Tonight" / "Candle in the Wind 1997" and regular songs whose disks had a B-side?
The 1997 Year-End is notorious for having two double A-sides as the top 2 biggest songs of the year. Let's take Elton John as an example again. "Candle In The Wind" was obviously a behemoth, but when it went #1, did he get two chart-topping hits because "Something About the Way You Look Tonight" was attached to it? If so, it seems like it was an easy way to get more charting hits.
Another example: in 1994, Mariah Carey had a top 3 hit with "Without You", but for some reason, Wikipedia also mentions the B-side "Never Forget You" on the Year-End chart, even though people were probably mostly interested on the former. And yet, "Breakdown" in 1998 was a B-side to her #1 hit "My All", and that one wasn't considered.
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Post by Mayman on Apr 17, 2020 10:09:15 GMT -5
@aprettyoddmusicbox I couldn't answer the first question but I know the answers to the second and third. So basically Elton John's CITW and SITWYLT are considered one #1 hit as it was sold as one single. Both songs airplay points were combined as well.
Mariah's Without You / Never Forget You we're both radio singles as well. Without You went to Pop, Hot AC, AC, and Rhythmic while Never Forget You was the Urban single (I learned a week ago it actually hit #1 there, so it was still a hit on its own). Both singles were included on the same side as a Double A Side.
For My All and Breakdown, they weren't considered a Double A Side for whatever reason. Breakdown was the Rhythmic and Urban single months prior to My All even went to radio. Butterfly and Breakdown had their runs around the same time. Both Butterfly and Breakdown couldn't chart because of no commercial release, so it only charted on the Hot 100 Airplay chart. My All was released as a single which is why it was eligible to chart on the Hot 100. After the Hot 100 changed to a songs chart instead of a singles chart at the end of 1998, songs that were not released as a single were eligible to chart.
Now if you remember in 2000, she released another Double A side single, Can't Take That Away (Mariah's Theme) / Crybaby. Due to the Hot 100 being a "songs" chart, only one could be credited. They used current airplay for the given week to decide which song would be credited. CTTA only peaked at #29 on AC while Crybaby peaked at #40 on Rhythmic and #31 on Urban. Since Crybaby (barely) had more points, that was the one chosen to be credited.
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Post by 85la on Apr 17, 2020 19:20:16 GMT -5
Does not look good. "Valence is on “financially shaky” ground, the source told The Post, adding that since the coronavirus pandemic hit, “the bottom fell out” for the company." There's a not insignificant chance Billboard will cease operations before year's end.
I don't think that will happen. It can't take too much staff to continue putting out the main basic charts, like the Hot 100 and the Billboard 200, and Billboard is still the only viable music chart company in the U.S. and there's nothing really that can act as a substitute, with the possible exception of Rolling Stone.
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Post by tanooki on Apr 22, 2020 19:29:32 GMT -5
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Post by renaboss on Apr 26, 2020 12:39:26 GMT -5
What is going on with Billboard's website? I used to be able to read the chart history for all artists, even the older ones, and now I can't find a ton of bands that were popular in the 60s, even when I google it.
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Post by WolfSpear on Apr 26, 2020 16:11:59 GMT -5
The Billboard Chart Archive is also down at this moment.
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