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Post by renfield75 on Sept 10, 2019 12:33:10 GMT -5
Honestly I've started coming here on Tuesday mornings instead of going to Billboard. I'd rather get my info from Gary and those beautiful charts bill, bored puts together. Much better than slogging through Billboard's awkward site. Also, thanks Gary and bill, bored for the effort you put in!
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Sept 10, 2019 13:21:27 GMT -5
^Agreed. Billboard's transitions are generally rough and it seems we are the beta testers.
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Post by renfield75 on Sept 10, 2019 14:51:19 GMT -5
^Agreed. Billboard's transitions are generally rough and it seems we are the beta testers. Not to mention the constant videos auto-playing, the slow load times, and the unnecessary clicking to see previous positions and peak positions.
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Post by flextamcsignals on Sept 10, 2019 15:22:01 GMT -5
^Agreed. Billboard's transitions are generally rough and it seems we are the beta testers. Not to mention the constant videos auto-playing, the slow load times, and the unnecessary clicking to see previous positions and peak positions. Oh it’s not just me who gets the autoplayed videos? I hate those.
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Post by GPMB on Sept 10, 2019 15:50:53 GMT -5
So like...why did Billboard decide it was a good idea to show a song’s position two weeks ago instead of last week like it’s always been? Am I the only one seeing this? Because it’s super annoying to have to go back to last week’s chart to remember where each song was instead of having it easily accessible like normal. I really hope they fix this. YES THIS IS MY LEAST FAVORITE THING TO EVER HAPPEN
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Post by 85la on Sept 10, 2019 21:01:53 GMT -5
Historically, a select few artists, like Cabello this week, have debuted two singles simultaneously on airplay charts (all in lead roles). On the Rhythmic Songs chart dated Nov. 1, 2008, Beyoncé bowed with both "If I Were a Boy," at No. 24, and "Single Ladies (Put a Ring on It)," at No. 38. Both tracks went on to hit the top 10, reaching Nos. 8 and 2, respectively. Interestingly though, If I Were A Boy was marketed as the more "pop" single, while Single Ladies as the more "urban" one. While If I Were a Boy wasn't a flop by any means, Single Ladies would go on to far outstrip it on all major radio formats.
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Post by reputainbow on Sept 11, 2019 0:16:17 GMT -5
i’m so glad i wasn’t the only one extremely annoyed by billboard changing from “last week” to “2 weeks ago” on their website LMAO. i’ll make sure to check here from now on instead of billboard’s website.
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Post by jebsib on Sept 11, 2019 5:47:43 GMT -5
Based on all the other chart layouts, It's seems like an annoying but temporary glitch.
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Post by kierz7 on Sept 11, 2019 6:59:05 GMT -5
Interestingly though, If I Were A Boy was marketed as the more "pop" single, while Single Ladies as the more "urban" one. Rhythmic was way more pop leaning in 2008 than it is now. They still had enough of an urban pull to blast both Beyoncé tracks at once, of course, but many of the rhythmic stations at that time were more influenced by pop trends than urban trends. The shocking thing, though, is Single Ladies peaking at #2 on rhythmic. Blocked by Live Your Life. Weird how they weren't able to share time at #1 given how massive both tracks were. In what way, shape or form was Rhythmic radio more “Pop-oriented” in 2008 than it is in 2019? The number one Rhythmic airplay songs of 2008: 1) With You: Chris Brown 2) Love In This Club: Usher 3) Sexy Can I: Ray J 4) Lollipop: Lil Wayne 5) Get Like Me: David Banner 6) I Love Your Girl: The Dream 7) A Milli: Lil Wayne 8) Dangerous: Kardinal Official 9) Got Money: Lil Wayne 10) Whatever You Like: T.I 11) Live Your Life: T.I/Rihanna Every song to chart atop the format that year were Urban-Contemporary songs, ranging from pure R&B to Hip-Hop. As a matter of fact, the highest “Pop-oriented” song to chart on the format that year was Rihanna’s “Disturbia” which, surprisingly, peaked at #3. Rhythmic radio has always been more influenced by Urban music/radio trends than Pop trends and this goes as far back as the 1990’s. The only period that Rhythmic radio became more Pop-driven, so to speak, was between 2010-2012 when Dance/Electro-Pop was dominating the musical landscape but that was shortlived.
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Post by imbondz on Sept 11, 2019 7:17:31 GMT -5
Can Usher get another Hot 100 #1 hit or is he done?
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Post by jebsib on Sept 11, 2019 8:06:20 GMT -5
In what way, shape or form was Rhythmic radio more “Pop-oriented” in 2008 than it is in 2019? I also felt that Rhythmic was more pop friendly in 2008 - A quick sampling showed pop based songs like ones by Jesse McCartney & Katy Perry doing really well and softer almost EDM songs by Ne-yo (Closer), Chris Brown (Forever), Kanye (Love Lockdown) and Akon(Right Now) charting high throughout the year. Yes, you still had a lot of Lil Wayne, but it was a friendlier atmosphere to pop acts after years of the 2000s Hip-Hop takeover. Maybe I'm wrong, but to my ear at least, the "Drake Sound" and "Soundcloud rap" pivoted Rhythmic back to a harder lean in recent years.
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Post by kierz7 on Sept 11, 2019 8:07:13 GMT -5
Can Usher get another Hot 100 #1 hit or is he done? As a solo act? No. As a featured act? It's possible. Should he collaborate with artists ala. Drake, Rihanna, Post Malone, Travis Scott etc. it is very likely, especially if the single is pushed (via. Streaming) and sent to radio. His chances of scoring a "number one single" by himself is extremely low nonetheless, although a top ten hit is possible to an extent if it's received well; "I Don't Mind" peaked at #11 in 2015. Either way, Usher's legacy is cemented. He was the 'Hot 100 Artist of the 00's' and is one of the biggest pure R&B/Urban singles acts of all time. It's a shame that his commercial success has fallen drastically the last several years (primarily because he abandoned his core audience and they haven't returned since) but he remains an icon and extremely influential.
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Post by kierz7 on Sept 11, 2019 8:19:47 GMT -5
@jebsib
I have a question:
Do you think that many of the Urban/Rhythmic Contemporary radio panels/stations were somehow switched/changed to Pop and HAC panels/stations sometime in 2009?
There was a time, especially in the mid-2000's (2001-2005/2006), where the biggest number one singles on both Urban and Rhythmic radio were drawing in listener impressions of 125-150M+ collectively. Pop and HAC never had that same validity or power during that time. This suddenly began to slow down in the late 2000's (2008-2009) and completely changed in the early 2010's where both formats were almost irrelevant next to Pop radio and even Adult-Pop radio.
For years, I've been trying to find articles via. Billboard or Mediabase to see if it were spoken on but can't seem to find anything.
It's changing again now because I see that Pop AI is starting to slowly decrease, most number one songs there are barely peaking in the 100M+ range compared to 2013-2016/2017, whereas Urban and Rhythmic AI are steadily increasing.
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Post by imbondz on Sept 11, 2019 8:50:38 GMT -5
Can Usher get another Hot 100 #1 hit or is he done? As a solo act? No. As a featured act? It's possible. Should he collaborate with artists ala. Drake, Rihanna, Post Malone, Travis Scott etc. it is very likely, especially if the single is pushed (via. Streaming) and sent to radio. His chances of scoring a "number one single" by himself is extremely low nonetheless, although a top ten hit is possible to an extent if it's received well; "I Don't Mind" peaked at #11 in 2015. Either way, Usher's legacy is cemented. He was the 'Hot 100 Artist of the 00's' and is one of the biggest pure R&B/Urban singles acts of all time. It's a shame that his commercial success has fallen drastically the last several years (primarily because he abandoned his core audience and they haven't returned since) but he remains an icon and extremely influential. Agreed. I’m still a big Usher fan. Love his music.
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Post by renfield75 on Sept 11, 2019 13:21:49 GMT -5
While he was huge both before and after, Usher had a moment in 2004 that VERY few artists ever have. Like the Beatles in '64, the Bee Gees in '78, MJ in '83, Katy Perry in '10-'11, Drake in '18. Complete domination where every thing they touch turns to gold (or platinum).
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Post by Gary on Sept 11, 2019 13:25:04 GMT -5
Which is difficult to repeat
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Post by renfield75 on Sept 11, 2019 13:35:28 GMT -5
Which is difficult to repeat Almost impossible. Michael and he Beatles came the closest but the rest all saw a decline after that. It will be interesting to see where Drake falls when his next proper album drops. I don't think he'll fade like the Bee Gees did but it's possible he sees Usher-type decreases. Or he could have another 'Bad'. We'll see.
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Post by jebsib on Sept 11, 2019 14:59:23 GMT -5
The thing that is so insane about Drake is not only has he dominated for a decade, his voice is so unique that - thanks to his consistent output, he literally shaped the sound of contemporary rhythmic / urban radio. Even before the SoundCloud Mumble Rap trend of 2017 and 2018 (which lends a lot to his moody emo delivery dating back to 2011) his sound was so pervasive it could be easily identified as the sound of the 2010s. However, history has taught us that when decades change, radio programmers, cultural tastemakers and especially new generations of kids make a conscious decision to seek out a new sound, identity, etc. This would be the only threat to Drake’s continued domination.
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Post by divasummer on Sept 11, 2019 14:59:50 GMT -5
Can Usher get another Hot 100 #1 hit or is he done? Not that it should matter but he is 40 now. I know radio isn't as ageist towards men but 40 is getting up there for a male rnb/pop star.
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Post by Gary on Sept 11, 2019 15:02:26 GMT -5
20+ years after his first hit. (It just happened with Billy Ray Cyrus) but generally #1's at this stage is rare
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Post by Choco on Sept 11, 2019 15:05:55 GMT -5
And let's be honest, age aside it's been a while since Usher did a song on par with his earlier material.
Still a massive career regardless.
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Post by Gary on Sept 11, 2019 15:18:26 GMT -5
Don't know what that means. Sometimes an artists most successful material is not necessarily the best material
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Post by iHype. on Sept 11, 2019 15:18:36 GMT -5
The thing that is so insane about Drake is not only has he dominated for a decade, his voice is so unique that - thanks to his consistent output, he literally shaped the sound of contemporary rhythmic / urban radio. Even before the SoundCloud Mumble Rap trend of 2017 and 2018 (which lends a lot to his moody emo delivery dating back to 2011) his sound was so pervasive it could be easily identified as the sound of the 2010s. However, history has taught us that when decades change, radio programmers, cultural tastemakers and especially new generations of kids make a conscious decision to seek out a new sound, identity, etc. This would be the only threat to Drake’s continued domination. This discussion is ironic, because in Hip-Hop they're having a discussion about Drake's run up to this point. As for renfield75 saying would Drake get his 'Bad' era... wasn't 'Scorpion' already essentially that? Views was massively huge, spent 13 weeks #1, was the biggest album of the year, and Hotline Bling/One Dance were the huge smashes that put him at an undeniable superstar tier. It's also still ahead in units (around 6 million, while Scorpion is approaching 5 million soon). Scorpion had more hit singles over Views, which is what Bad had over Thriller.
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Post by nathanalbright on Sept 11, 2019 15:25:26 GMT -5
Right now it would seem that Drake is in his HIStory period having just sold a repackaging of older songs to diminishing returns. Be that as it may, it is curious to see if the change of decade will mean a decisive search for a new sound in R&B that leaves Drake behind.
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Post by jenglisbe on Sept 11, 2019 15:36:29 GMT -5
Hot 100 1. [=] Truth Hurts 41. [+11] Good As Hell 86. [-4] Juice Bubbling Under 21. [-6] Tempo 25. [NEW] Boys Ugh, I wish "GAH" had at least made it to #40. I doubt it makes it next chart with Post's album bomb.
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Post by iHype. on Sept 11, 2019 15:39:26 GMT -5
Also I wonder if Drake's domination on Urban/Rhythmic radio will ever be touched. Probably not for a few decades atleast. Urban Radio: www.billboard.com/music/drake/chart-history/mainstream-r-b-hip-hop 36 #1 hits 65 top 10 hits 1,841 cumulative weeks charting = to 35.4 years. The equivalent of charting an average of 3.5 songs every week since his debut on the chart in 2009. Rhythmic Radio: www.billboard.com/music/drake/chart-history/rhythmic-4026 #1 hits 49 top 10 hits As of this week during a lowkey year for him, he's #1 & #3 on Rhythmic with No Guidance & Money in the Grave. He's #1 & #4 on Urban with Money in the Grave & No Guidance. I still hear songs with him back to back 3 times when listening to either format. He's occupied the top 2 on both formats almost a dozen different times. He's had the entire top 4 on Urban before. When you also factor in the fact he has 30+ billion streams in America (equals to every person in the country streaming him 100+ times each) I think its pretty clear the Urban music demo has listened to him more than any other artist in history.
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Post by jenglisbe on Sept 11, 2019 15:46:08 GMT -5
I doubt either will come close to the top 10 but I hope either the Kygo and Whitney Houston cover of “Higher Love” or Lana’s cover of “Doin’ Time” can get there cause it would be cool to see a cover song in the top 10. I have no idea when the last time there even was a cover in the top 10. Hmmm good question. "Cups (When I'm Gone)" was mentioned. "Wagon Wheel" didn't hit the top 10, but peaked at #15 that same year I believe. Carrie Underwood hit the top 10 in 2009 with her version of "I Told You So." Have there really only been a couple cover songs in the top 10 in the past decade?
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Post by iHype. on Sept 11, 2019 15:49:06 GMT -5
I doubt either will come close to the top 10 but I hope either the Kygo and Whitney Houston cover of “Higher Love” or Lana’s cover of “Doin’ Time” can get there cause it would be cool to see a cover song in the top 10. I have no idea when the last time there even was a cover in the top 10. Hmmm good question. "Cups (When I'm Gone)" was mentioned. "Wagon Wheel" didn't hit the top 10, but peaked at #15 that same year I believe. Carrie Underwood hit the top 10 in 2009 with her version of "I Told You So." Have there really only been a couple cover songs in the top 10 in the past decade? Glee Cast with 'Teenage Dream' in 2010. The complete evaporation of covers being chart hits is understandable because literally nobody releases cover singles anymore.
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Post by renfield75 on Sept 11, 2019 15:49:33 GMT -5
The thing that is so insane about Drake is not only has he dominated for a decade, his voice is so unique that - thanks to his consistent output, he literally shaped the sound of contemporary rhythmic / urban radio. Even before the SoundCloud Mumble Rap trend of 2017 and 2018 (which lends a lot to his moody emo delivery dating back to 2011) his sound was so pervasive it could be easily identified as the sound of the 2010s. However, history has taught us that when decades change, radio programmers, cultural tastemakers and especially new generations of kids make a conscious decision to seek out a new sound, identity, etc. This would be the only threat to Drake’s continued domination. True. In 1979, who would have guessed that the Bee Gees would only have one more top ten hit, and that it wouldn't happen for another 10 years? Or in 1999 who would have thought that Boyz II Men would never see the Top 40 again?
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Post by renfield75 on Sept 11, 2019 15:55:56 GMT -5
When you also factor in the fact he has 30+ billion streams in America (equals to every person in the country streaming him 100+ times each) I think its pretty clear the Urban music demo has listened to him more than any other artist in history. There's absolutely no way of knowing that. I'm sure Michael Jackson and Marvin Gaye and Stevie Wonder have been listened to over 30 billion times, but since we have no way of knowing how many times people listened to albums and singles they purchased we'll never know. If Drake's stats were solely reflected in his pure sales numbers we'd have no idea how many times people listened to his music. That's the case for literally every artist who was huge pre-streaming. But "most listened to Urban artist in the streaming era"? Yeah Drake's got that on lock.
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