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Post by Jaymiee on Jun 15, 2020 17:23:59 GMT -5
Noo was hoping they would have one last big push for this song...it seems like its just crumbling though
Honestly feel like Carrie and/or her team just gave up after the CMA's snubbed her. I mean if I were her I would want to move on to something else after that as well
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Jun 15, 2020 20:43:49 GMT -5
Down one place to #16 without a bullet on Billboard
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Post by Sugar Rush on Jun 16, 2020 0:26:54 GMT -5
Noo was hoping they would have one last big push for this song...it seems like its just crumbling though Honestly feel like Carrie and/or her team just gave up after the CMA's snubbed her. I mean if I were her I would want to move on to something else after that as well I agree. I feel as if that night she lost all motivation for the rest of the era. :'(
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Post by bornfearless2000 on Jun 16, 2020 5:50:29 GMT -5
Up to #74 on BB100, new peak.
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Post by taylor on Jun 16, 2020 11:39:09 GMT -5
Yeah, it seems like Billboard Country Airplay is done with it. Never hit Top 10 there either, sigh.
At least we have Mediabase! It peaked at #9 there. 30 consecutive Top 10 hits--every song she's ever sent to radio has been Top 10 on Mediabase. That's still something.
I agree with the sentiments on CMA night--it feels like the era's book was slammed shut. All momentum was sucked out like a vacuum cleaning house.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jun 16, 2020 12:09:15 GMT -5
Looking at today's update:
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Post by bigb0882 on Jun 16, 2020 14:42:17 GMT -5
I have always liked Carrie but have never been a huge fan who follows everything. That being said, I absolutely love this song and think it is probably my favorite of hers along with I Know You Won’t.
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Post by Troublemaker on Jun 16, 2020 16:15:54 GMT -5
Even though this era was underwhelming (radio/streaming wise), I still enjoyed it. Hopefully she has better streaming numbers next era because this era was not it, radio hasn’t known what’s up in a long time
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Post by Carriefan1190 on Jun 16, 2020 18:31:31 GMT -5
Very annoyed with the fact that Carrie has now had 2 singles miss the top 10 on billboard in just one era. I just don’t get it. Carrie was country radio’s darling and now she struggles to get top 10 hits. I’m sure her age is a factor and the fact that she is a female in country music, but she was literally the most successful female artist in country music in the last 15 years. All momentum from Southbound seemed to have died on the night of the 2019 CMAs, and didn’t translate to this. It’s really a shame, because this is a great song. Capitol needs to step it up for the next album era, all I’m saying.
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Post by raylatch98 on Jun 16, 2020 18:51:48 GMT -5
Very annoyed with the fact that Carrie has now had 2 singles miss the top 10 on billboard in just one era. I just don’t get it. Carrie was country radio’s darling and now she struggles to get top 10 hits. I’m sure her age is a factor and the fact that she is a female in country music, but she was literally the most successful female artist in country music in the last 15 years. All momentum from Southbound seemed to have died on the night of the 2019 CMAs, and didn’t translate to this. It’s really a shame, because this is a great song. Capitol needs to step it up for the next album era, all I’m saying. I mean who is to say Capitol didn't step up as they promoted this song for about 8 months now, not to mention how long they held on to "Love Wins". I just think a combination of none of the singles really connecting very well (besides "Southbound" I am pretty sure most of the singles this era were selling pretty mediocre if they weren't boosted by an award show performance) and most of the songs standing out a bit on the radio beyond just female vocals (especially "Cry Pretty" and "Drinking Alone") without the general public interests (it's why a "Drinking Alone" stalls out in the Top 15 while the Top 5 singles from Ingrid Andress, Maren Morris, and Carly Pearce succeed). Looking at her previous era Storyteller and the 4 singles that came from it, all 4 of those songs connected very well out of the gate (except maybe "Smoke Break"), and for me were very radio friendly. Honestly besides "Southbound" none of the singles this era have much replay value for me, where as her last era all 4 of the singles still have great replay value. Also I will never get why having a slow power ballad in the Summer of 2018 which in my opinion was one of the worst years for female voices on country radio, was a good choice for a lead single. To this day I think "Southbound" should have been the lead single and "Cry Pretty" either as the second or quite frankly left as an album cut.
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Post by Juanca on Jun 16, 2020 18:57:36 GMT -5
Sad that it peaked just outside the top 10 in billboard Second time this era, unfortunately
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Post by Typo on Jun 16, 2020 19:34:33 GMT -5
What a chart run - this was #1 for 11 weeks on the Hot Country Songs chart. Sometimes country radio just gets it right. ❤️
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Post by gardyfan on Jun 16, 2020 19:40:52 GMT -5
What a chart run - this was #1 for 11 weeks on the Hot Country Songs chart. Sometimes country radio just gets it right. ❤️ It peaked at 17.
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Post by Carriefan1190 on Jun 16, 2020 19:59:57 GMT -5
Very annoyed with the fact that Carrie has now had 2 singles miss the top 10 on billboard in just one era. I just don’t get it. Carrie was country radio’s darling and now she struggles to get top 10 hits. I’m sure her age is a factor and the fact that she is a female in country music, but she was literally the most successful female artist in country music in the last 15 years. All momentum from Southbound seemed to have died on the night of the 2019 CMAs, and didn’t translate to this. It’s really a shame, because this is a great song. Capitol needs to step it up for the next album era, all I’m saying. I mean who is to say Capitol didn't step up as they promoted this song for about 8 months now, not to mention how long they held on to "Love Wins". I just think a combination of none of the singles really connecting very well (besides "Southbound" I am pretty sure most of the singles this era were selling pretty mediocre if they weren't boosted by an award show performance) and most of the songs standing out a bit on the radio beyond just female vocals (especially "Cry Pretty" and "Drinking Alone") without the general public interests (it's why a "Drinking Alone" stalls out in the Top 15 while the Top 5 singles from Ingrid Andress, Maren Morris, and Carly Pearce succeed). Looking at her previous era Storyteller and the 4 singles that came from it, all 4 of those songs connected very well out of the gate (except maybe "Smoke Break"), and for me were very radio friendly. Honestly besides "Southbound" none of the singles this era have much replay value for me, where as her last era all 4 of the singles still have great replay value. Also I will never get why having a slow power ballad in the Summer of 2018 which in my opinion was one of the worst years for female voices on country radio, was a good choice for a lead single. To this day I think "Southbound" should have been the lead single and "Cry Pretty" either as the second or quite frankly left as an album cut. Yeah, having Cry Pretty as the lead single was kind of puzzling, but I am guessing that Carrie wanted CP as the first single to kick off her comeback from her injury and to show people that she is human and what she has personally gone through. I think if she would’ve released it in the fall, it might have translated better, but who knows? I am just left with a lot of “What Ifs” from this era, because DA should’ve smashed and EUWY could’ve took off too, but I think having the CP and LW singles struggle at radio hurt her in the long run. I’m just hoping she comes back with new material in 2021. I’m sure she will be promoting her Christmas album in the winter to bridge the gap until CU7, but we are looking at several months without a Carrie single on radio. That could hurt her even more in the next era. I know she likes to take her time making albums, but CP has been out for almost 2 years now.
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Post by musicfan134 on Jun 16, 2020 20:55:12 GMT -5
Yeah I think the single choices were the biggest issue from this era. I think CP was an out there choice, but she probably could've gotten away with it. LW killed any momentum this era had though. I would go so far as to say that (by Carrie's standards) LW was Carrie's first "flop" despite reaching Top 10. That a) still isn't very good compared to her previous singles and b) it still sold and streamed poorly.
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Post by It's me, bitch. on Jun 16, 2020 23:36:39 GMT -5
This was released in November and is just peaking in airplay?
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Post by lady𝓐fan on Jun 16, 2020 23:45:09 GMT -5
This was released in November and is just peaking in airplay? Welcome to country radio, home of the 65 week chart run!
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Post by loveofmusic on Jun 17, 2020 0:02:22 GMT -5
This was released in November and is just peaking in airplay? Last week's #1 was Travis Denning's "After A Few." It just set a record for hitting #1 at 65 weeks.
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Post by Naos on Jun 17, 2020 1:21:52 GMT -5
#74 will be the peak on the Hot 100, I'm assuming.
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Post by Jaymiee on Jun 17, 2020 11:29:34 GMT -5
This era just started off badly with her miscarriages and then pregnancy right as the album was being released. The lead single was obviously a come back song for her to express her feelings and she even said this album wasnt written with radio in mind.
That being said I hope after the xmas album she comes back strong with a lead single and a darker rocking era like Blown Away would be amazing
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Post by taylor on Jun 17, 2020 12:42:04 GMT -5
HUGE word wall incoming:
Let's remember that Carrie said in that CBS Sunday Morning interview the Sunday after the album dropped that "2017 was going to be the year that I had a baby and made new music." She and Mike first tried spring of 17. That would've given her the summer (which was right at the #1 peak of "The Fighter") spend time with her family and grow the baby during pregnancy before dropping the lead single perhaps in time for the 2017 CMA night. I do think had that been the case, she wouldn't have performed "Softly & Tenderly" and instead performed a CU6 lead. The album would've probably been out in time for the 2018 ACMs. (Which as we know was instead when we received "Cry Pretty" as a lead) And then maternity leave would've come right after the big album release push and a tour would've come shortly after.
Let's also remember that "Cry Pretty" was written AFTER the three miscarriages...we'd have likely received a completely different album than we did. Perhaps it would've even been another Storyteller-esque album.
From what I speculate, everything was just pushed back by 5 months. April-September 2018 (the time frame between CP the lead and CP the album) was 5 months, and the (perhaps) originally intended 5-month frame was between roughly November 2017-April 2018.
I see nothing wrong with "Cry Pretty" as a single given the circumstances that brought the song about. It was not only the perfect comeback single, but it was also a statement. She set the record straight on her music catalog and assumptions from the general public on her personality ("she never talks about herself," "she bashes men," "she seems so cold") and also pushed back against societal standards wanting women to not be cold but also not show too much emotion and told women and young girls that it's okay to show as much emotion as they want and embrace the fact that it's just not going to look or be pretty. She said "Listen. I'm human just like you. You don't see it but I cry. I hold my composure because as a woman I have to be calm and collected. And I'm sick of holding it in because I just can't...and that's okay. It's okay to not be okay. It's okay to cry. Let it out." (she didn't actually ever say that of course, that's my take on what she was saying).
I direct my frustration in this era's (in terms of radio) subpar performance to a myriad of things. The poor timing due to the miscarriages. "Love Wins" going to radio (as much as I love LW, as much as it is so special to me, I just don't get why THAT was chosen). Carrie being a 37-year old woman on country radio. Country radio. 2018 in country radio for women. And as for DA, I direct all my anger at the night of November 13. That's what did everything in entirely from a radio perspective.
I believe that Capitol did what they set out to do with this era and kept their promise. Their main goal was to make Carrie a bigger name globally. The Cry Pretty Tour UK did that. The global music festivals did that. The multiple #1 debuts in different countries did that. Headlining Glastonbury did that. And I KNOW Capitol worked their asses off at radio too. "Southbound" went #1 on Mediabase and #3 on BB. On Mediabase, she made it to 30 consecutive Top 10 hits...from literally JTTW to DA.
All of that considered, and despite country radio, despite 11/13, I am completely satisfied with this era and thank UMG/Capitol for everything they've done. I have a good feeling that this Christmas album is going to do wonders for Carrie's career going forward, and I hope 2021 will be amazing as well and give us an INCREDIBLE CU7 era.
If you made it this far, thank you for coming to my TED Talk. *end rant*
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Post by 14887fan on Jun 17, 2020 14:51:31 GMT -5
Idk. Maybe DA just didn’t resonate with the masses. Also, it didn’t help that after the CMAs, any and all promo by her came to a screeching halt.
I do agree that the CMAs had something to do with deterring any interest in prolonging this era. Thinking back, a similar thing happened in 2016 after she lost EOTY while “Dirty Laundry” was still climbing at radio (IIRC?). Obviously DL fared better in this comparison, but it’s worth noting.
Idk. Don’t really care at this point. Knowing that a holiday album is on the horizon is really excellent news. It’s what she needed to do at this point in her career, is change things up a wee bit. And when CU7 comes around, may we all pray that she and her team actually develop a fresh rollout strategy. I’ve been vocal about this in the past, but the rinse-and-repeat cycle is no longer doing anyone any favors. Also pick better singles pls.
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Post by taylor on Jun 17, 2020 16:25:25 GMT -5
Idk. Maybe DA just didn’t resonate with the masses. Also, it didn’t help that after the CMAs, any and all promo by her came to a screeching halt. I do agree that the CMAs had something to do with deterring any interest in prolonging this era. Thinking back, a similar thing happened in 2016 after she lost EOTY while “Dirty Laundry” was still climbing at radio (IIRC?). Obviously DL fared better in this comparison, but it’s worth noting. Idk. Don’t really care at this point. Knowing that a holiday album is on the horizon is really excellent news. It’s what she needed to do at this point in her career, is change things up a wee bit. And when CU7 comes around, may we all pray that she and her team actually develop a fresh rollout strategy. I’ve been vocal about this in the past, but the rinse-and-repeat cycle is no longer doing anyone any favors. Also pick better singles pls. I so agree with the bolded. In fact, in the interest of trying to get her streaming numbers up, I would go ahead and do the same type of 5-month rollout as Dua Lipa did with Future Nostalgia. Lead single, promo single, another lead, one final lead the week before the album. Of course country radio is night and pop radio is day so it'd be hard to get three radio singles to chart high within a 5-month frame, but I personally would at least do some heavy research and look into just exactly how Dua Lipa's team successfully (leak notwithstanding) rolled out her album in this way. I think it'd be quite refreshing, because the rinse-and-repeat is tiring.
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Post by Carriefan1190 on Jun 17, 2020 16:51:50 GMT -5
Idk. Maybe DA just didn’t resonate with the masses. Also, it didn’t help that after the CMAs, any and all promo by her came to a screeching halt. I do agree that the CMAs had something to do with deterring any interest in prolonging this era. Thinking back, a similar thing happened in 2016 after she lost EOTY while “Dirty Laundry” was still climbing at radio (IIRC?). Obviously DL fared better in this comparison, but it’s worth noting. Idk. Don’t really care at this point. Knowing that a holiday album is on the horizon is really excellent news. It’s what she needed to do at this point in her career, is change things up a wee bit. And when CU7 comes around, may we all pray that she and her team actually develop a fresh rollout strategy. I’ve been vocal about this in the past, but the rinse-and-repeat cycle is no longer doing anyone any favors. Also pick better singles pls. I so agree with the bolded. In fact, in the interest of trying to get her streaming numbers up, I would go ahead and do the same type of 5-month rollout as Dua Lipa did with Future Nostalgia. Lead single, promo single, another lead, one final lead the week before the album. Of course country radio is night and pop radio is day so it'd be hard to get three radio singles to chart high within a 5-month frame, but I personally would at least do some heavy research and look into just exactly how Dua Lipa's team successfully (leak notwithstanding) rolled out her album in this way. I think it'd be quite refreshing, because the rinse-and-repeat is tiring. Honestly, I agree with you. She should go back to releasing promo singles like she did in the beginning of the Carnival Ride, Play On, Blown Away and Storyteller eras. Drum up interest that way. Obviously release a lead single sometime in 2021, and maybe release a few promo singles to drum up interest and then release CU7 in the fall of 2021.
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Post by Sugar Rush on Jun 17, 2020 17:22:14 GMT -5
Idk. Maybe DA just didn’t resonate with the masses. Also, it didn’t help that after the CMAs, any and all promo by her came to a screeching halt. I do agree that the CMAs had something to do with deterring any interest in prolonging this era. Thinking back, a similar thing happened in 2016 after she lost EOTY while “Dirty Laundry” was still climbing at radio (IIRC?). Obviously DL fared better in this comparison, but it’s worth noting. Idk. Don’t really care at this point. Knowing that a holiday album is on the horizon is really excellent news. It’s what she needed to do at this point in her career, is change things up a wee bit. And when CU7 comes around, may we all pray that she and her team actually develop a fresh rollout strategy. I’ve been vocal about this in the past, but the rinse-and-repeat cycle is no longer doing anyone any favors. Also pick better singles pls. I would not say the roll out strategy of 'Cry Pretty' was awful. I think the biggest criticism I had was how long the release of the album was from the lead single date. Other than that I felt their was a lot of hype leading up, she booked performances at every award show & quite a few late night talk shows as they could and the tour was super hyped. As well, 'Love Wins' was a HORRIBLE single choice and seemed way to gimmicky.
The truth is in this age with streaming, album cycles really only last so long. Unless her team would consider remixes (with a collaborator) or reissues of the album with new track listings, it'll continue to be stagnant her album campaigns.
Also, now that she's a mother of two I can understand her wanting to be a bit more reserved on the heavy album campaigns. She loves motherhood, and I think the days of Blown Away-level of promotion are long gone.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Jun 17, 2020 17:40:13 GMT -5
Idk. Maybe DA just didn’t resonate with the masses. Also, it didn’t help that after the CMAs, any and all promo by her came to a screeching halt. I do agree that the CMAs had something to do with deterring any interest in prolonging this era. Thinking back, a similar thing happened in 2016 after she lost EOTY while “Dirty Laundry” was still climbing at radio (IIRC?). Obviously DL fared better in this comparison, but it’s worth noting. Idk. Don’t really care at this point. Knowing that a holiday album is on the horizon is really excellent news. It’s what she needed to do at this point in her career, is change things up a wee bit. And when CU7 comes around, may we all pray that she and her team actually develop a fresh rollout strategy. I’ve been vocal about this in the past, but the rinse-and-repeat cycle is no longer doing anyone any favors. Also pick better singles pls. To add, unlike 10 years ago or so, there’s a much more open mindset about cross-genre collaborations and multi format releases. This era could have been totally different if there was a bigger effort to achieve some crossover success. This album was littered with potential crossover hits; if they got creative and re-released a collaboration version of a single - or something like that - things could have been at least a little different. The rollout this time was more or less the same as every previous album in her career. It worked when radio would send literally anything with Carrie’s name to the top of the charts, but if their goal is to achieve radio and streaming success for any length of time going forward, she and her team will need to start getting creative with their singles - because unless she releases a straight up career hit like JTTW, BHC, or BA, she will struggle to gain any traction at radio and with streaming.
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Post by Carriefan1190 on Jun 17, 2020 18:40:13 GMT -5
Idk. Maybe DA just didn’t resonate with the masses. Also, it didn’t help that after the CMAs, any and all promo by her came to a screeching halt. I do agree that the CMAs had something to do with deterring any interest in prolonging this era. Thinking back, a similar thing happened in 2016 after she lost EOTY while “Dirty Laundry” was still climbing at radio (IIRC?). Obviously DL fared better in this comparison, but it’s worth noting. Idk. Don’t really care at this point. Knowing that a holiday album is on the horizon is really excellent news. It’s what she needed to do at this point in her career, is change things up a wee bit. And when CU7 comes around, may we all pray that she and her team actually develop a fresh rollout strategy. I’ve been vocal about this in the past, but the rinse-and-repeat cycle is no longer doing anyone any favors. Also pick better singles pls. To add, unlike 10 years ago or so, there’s a much more open mindset about cross-genre collaborations and multi format releases. This era could have been totally different if there was a bigger effort to achieve some crossover success. This album was littered with potential crossover hits; if they got creative and re-released a collaboration version of a single - or something like that - things could have been at least a little different. The rollout this time was more or less the same as every previous album in her career. It worked when radio would send literally anything with Carrie’s name to the top of the charts, but if their goal is to achieve radio and streaming success for any length of time going forward, she and her team will need to start getting creative with their singles - because unless she releases a straight up career hit like JTTW, BHC, or BA, she will struggle to gain any traction at radio and with streaming. I know Carrie has been an outspoken opponent of remixes and sending different versions to different radio formats, but she might have to if she wants to continue her radio success, or maybe she’s at the point in her career where chart positions and sales don’t really matter to her anymore and she just wants to release the kind of music that she wants to release.
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Post by bigd79 on Jun 17, 2020 18:43:58 GMT -5
I personally HATE the multi single release before album strategy...at least from established artists. From a singer like Carrie who i know i'm going to buy her album no matter what, i want the lead single about 60 days or so before the album comes out. Go ahead and release some promo songs along the way, but this whole business of having to go through 2 or 3 full chart runs of singles before the full album is released is just irritating to me.
As far as the Dua Lipa strategy, that would never happen in country music as it takes far too long for songs to peak, unless your name is Luke Combs. And i really hope we don't start seeing multiple singles at the same time like you see in pop, the last thing we need is for more songs to be on the charts from the males kinda like we are already seeing a little bit of with Thomas Rhett, Kane Brown, etc. things would just get worse! And then as a result even more difficult for up and comers to make a name for themselves.
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Post by Carriefan1190 on Jun 17, 2020 18:47:02 GMT -5
I personally HATE the multi single release before album strategy...at least from established artists. From a singer like Carrie who i know i'm going to buy her album no matter what, i want the lead single about 60 days or so before the album comes out. Go ahead and release some promo songs along the way, but this whole business of having to go through 2 or 3 full chart runs of singles before the full album is released is just irritating to me. As far as the Dua Lipa strategy, that would never happen in country music as it takes far too long for songs to peak, unless your name is Luke Combs. And i really hope we don't start seeing multiple singles at the same time like you see in pop, the last thing we need is for more songs to be on the charts from the males kinda like we are already seeing a little bit of with Thomas Rhett, Kane Brown, etc. things would just get worse! And then as a result even more difficult for up and comers to make a name for themselves. The thing about promo singles are that they are just promo singles. They aren’t officially sent to radio like an actual single would, so for example, you wouldn’t have 5 Thomas Rhett songs all charting simultaneously on Billboard. Only the lead single would be charting and the other ones would be buzz/promo singles that are available for streaming or download. I agree releasing multiple songs to radio would be a disaster in Carrie’s case.
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Post by taylor on Jun 18, 2020 9:33:23 GMT -5
To clarify on my suggestion of a Dua Lipa strategy: Pop radio is still at a stage where multiple radio singles are able to released. With country I know that's impossible but releasing 3 good radio singles does not have to happen at once. While "Physical" received radio treatment internationally, Dua did not ever promote it at radio here in America because "Don't Start Now" was still active at radio. However, the third radio single "Break My Heart" was released to radio here successfully. It's made the Top 10 as of May.
I believe that to continue with making Carrie a bigger name globally, to try to bring her streaming numbers up, and to have a nice way to still release multiple songs as singles with videos, the Dua Lipa strategy is worth trying. Carrie could release a lead radio single, a buzz single, a second radio single for international stations, and a third radio single for America right before the album. In this age of streaming, the rinse-and-repeat strategy just has to go imo.
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