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Post by .indulgecountry on Jun 18, 2020 10:21:44 GMT -5
Personally I wouldn't mind if she branched out and tried to *at least* get 1-2 hits on the HAC charts (CHR might be a stretch) per era like she used to do in the past -- and that can easily be done without remixing as most of her singles do not lean in a super traditional lane anyway. I think at least doing that would be the bare minimum and totally worth it. Also wouldn't hurt to maybe try and get her some Christian airplay from time-to-time like we saw with SITW; "Kingdom" could've easily made at least a minor dent in that format without much effort, i.e. I'm just a little confused because -- as I've noted before in the past -- I'm still a little confused as to the direction her new label has taken with her because I remember them touting that they were looking to make her a 'global superstar' but I didn't see much effort into actually raising her status in that way beyond stepping up her touring game. She made an album with a hodgepodge of different musical sounds and it didn't seem like it made any difference. And then on top of all that, they whiffed the era at country radio in several ways. I'm optimistic that the Christmas album will help and then when CU7 launches they'll hopefully have worked out a better strategy for making her next era a return to form. She's at a stage where she doesn't need to pad her country radio resume or anything, but I still think it would have been very easy to keep that in her corner pocket with the right stuff imo. It's not like her singles this era really connected beyond radio either -- in a time when country singles that even sell/stream poorly sometimes peak pretty high on the Hot 100, "Southbound" was the only major airplay hit and it fell well short, and we saw that the other singles didn't move the needle much outside of when she sang them on TV or something (especially "Love Wins").
I know we have to wait awhile but I am so ready for the next studio era. I hope we don't have to wait too terribly long into 2021 for her to give us something.
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Post by Jaymiee on Jun 18, 2020 10:48:42 GMT -5
I personally dont like when the artists release half the songs before the album even comes out because for most artists all the good songs are released then the album comes out and the rest is blah.
In Carries case though Storyteller and Cry Pretty had no skips for me (maybe 2 on Storyteller) but compared to other artists her album tracks are all single worthy. Idk maybe her team should switch it up and try something different. This way more of her album tracks would be highlighted and not go to waste (CCA, Renegade Runaway, Backsliding, Ghosts, Low, etc...)
I just hope Carrie/her team realize that Marren, Kelsea, Gabby are all remixing and promoting to pop and AC so if she wants to stand a chance she is going to have to do the same, which i wish she was this whole time. The argument that she needs to be dedicated to country only so she can be recognized for EOTY is out because clearly no matter what she does is not enough so might as well promote to pop and remix!
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Post by schnetzka on Jun 18, 2020 20:06:06 GMT -5
I could kinda see Carrie going the route of Taylor Swift and doing a more pop oriented album. I know she'll never give up country completely but it really seems she's been doing more pop songs that have no/very little hint of country on Cry Pretty (That Song..., End Up with You, Backsliding, etc.)
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Post by matty005 on Jun 18, 2020 22:20:09 GMT -5
I could kinda see Carrie going the route of Taylor Swift and doing a more pop oriented album. I know she'll never give up country completely but it really seems she's been doing more pop songs that have no/very little hint of country on Cry Pretty (That Song..., End Up with You, Backsliding, etc.) That would not be a good move. At Carrie’s age (sadly) it’s going to be hard enough to get country radio AirPlay. It will be downright impossible for her to get on Pop. Like others have mentioned above, maybe HAC, but pop would just be so dumb right now. Her time to be a pop artist has passed.
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Post by Jaymiee on Jun 19, 2020 10:32:00 GMT -5
I would still love for her to collab with pop artists and have crossover success. The Champion with Luda was a big single without any radio support so imagine if she got on the right song and pop radio played it? Kinda wish she would just break out of the country mold anyways because they dont appreciate her and people already say shes not real country so screw it, why hold herself back
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Post by sabre14 on Jun 19, 2020 17:13:05 GMT -5
UMG Nashville wanted to get this to at least the top 5, if not #1, but unfortunately this is another example of testing holding a single back. “Drinking Alone” has by far the highest negative score on Mediabase Callout callout at 25%. Anything over 20% is considered bad, and I’ve only ever seen a few songs over 25%. That’ll stall a single quickly. The highest negative score I’ve ever seen on Mediabase callout is “She’s Got a Way With Words” by Blake Shelton in 2016 — which had a negative score of 30%, and that one famously broke Blake’s #1 streak and stalled at #7.
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Post by Sugar Rush on Jun 20, 2020 20:44:21 GMT -5
UMG Nashville wanted to get this to at least the top 5, if not #1, but unfortunately this is another example of testing holding a single back. “Drinking Alone” has by far the highest negative score on Mediabase Callout callout at 25%. Anything over 20% is considered bad, and I’ve only ever seen a few songs over 25%. That’ll stall a single quickly. The highest negative score I’ve ever seen on Mediabase callout is “She’s Got a Way With Words” by Blake Shelton in 2016 — which had a negative score of 30%, and that one famously broke Blake’s #1 streak and stalled at #7. I am perplexed as how it got such bad call outs, when at album release all the publications and reputable critics were calling it the best song on the album and pushing for it to be a single..... like when Luke Bryan's One Margarita is getting good scores and this one isn't, it just reminds me how blatantly sexist the industry is.
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Post by taylor on Jun 20, 2020 21:07:11 GMT -5
UMG Nashville wanted to get this to at least the top 5, if not #1, but unfortunately this is another example of testing holding a single back. “Drinking Alone” has by far the highest negative score on Mediabase Callout callout at 25%. Anything over 20% is considered bad, and I’ve only ever seen a few songs over 25%. That’ll stall a single quickly. The highest negative score I’ve ever seen on Mediabase callout is “She’s Got a Way With Words” by Blake Shelton in 2016 — which had a negative score of 30%, and that one famously broke Blake’s #1 streak and stalled at #7. I am perplexed as how it got such bad call outs, when at album release all the publications and reputable critics were calling it the best song on the album and pushing for it to be a single..... like when Luke Bryan's One Margarita is getting good scores and this one isn't, it just reminds me how blatantly sexist the industry is. Both songs talk about drinking too. You'd think that would be good for this one as drinking is known as a country music trope. :/
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Post by bdrm87 on Jun 20, 2020 21:14:47 GMT -5
UMG Nashville wanted to get this to at least the top 5, if not #1, but unfortunately this is another example of testing holding a single back. “Drinking Alone” has by far the highest negative score on Mediabase Callout callout at 25%. Anything over 20% is considered bad, and I’ve only ever seen a few songs over 25%. That’ll stall a single quickly. The highest negative score I’ve ever seen on Mediabase callout is “She’s Got a Way With Words” by Blake Shelton in 2016 — which had a negative score of 30%, and that one famously broke Blake’s #1 streak and stalled at #7. I am perplexed as how it got such bad call outs, when at album release all the publications and reputable critics were calling it the best song on the album and pushing for it to be a single..... like when Luke Bryan's One Margarita is getting good scores and this one isn't, it just reminds me how blatantly sexist the industry is. Critics are a much different animal than your average country radio listener. I love “Drinking Alone” and hoped it would smash, but it really stands out on the radio, so I’m not at all surprised that it would have poor callouts. As far as “One Margarita” goes, virtually anything Luke Bryan does fits in seamlessly with what country radio listeners are used to and comfortable with, so it’s no surprise that it’s doing gangbusters. It’s also connecting with people beyond radio in a way that DA never has. So while I agree that sexism is at the root of why most female songs struggle at country radio, in this instance it’s not hard to see why one one of these songs is racing up the charts while the other struggles.
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.indulgecountry
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jun 20, 2020 21:26:56 GMT -5
I am perplexed as how it got such bad call outs, when at album release all the publications and reputable critics were calling it the best song on the album and pushing for it to be a single..... like when Luke Bryan's One Margarita is getting good scores and this one isn't, it just reminds me how blatantly sexist the industry is. I mean is it really shocking that "One Margarita" has good callout scores since it is connecting so well (#3 all genre)? Like I agree with your overall point but I don't think "One Margarita" is the best example since it is one of the biggest songs in country music right now, like a better example would probably be Jameson Rodgers "Some Girls" testing very well right now and is also not connecting very well in sales. Sometimes songs connect really well (sales/streams) but still test poorly, that might cause them to stall out early despite their popularity ("Down to the Honkytonk" and "I Wish Grandpas Never Died" are two of the best recent examples). I think bdrm87 's assessment is more in-line with what actually happened here. Radio tends to have an over-reliance on callout numbers because they associate that more directly with who is listening to their station over sales/streams that may not directly reflect their audiences. I think callout seems to be rather flawed (especially against female voices) and contributes to the whole 'radio is becoming less and less important' argument, but I digress.
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Post by raylatch98 on Jun 20, 2020 21:49:13 GMT -5
I mean is it really shocking that "One Margarita" has good callout scores since it is connecting so well (#3 all genre)? Like I agree with your overall point but I don't think "One Margarita" is the best example since it is one of the biggest songs in country music right now, like a better example would probably be Jameson Rodgers "Some Girls" testing very well right now and is also not connecting very well in sales. Sometimes songs connect really well (sales/streams) but still test poorly, that might cause them to stall out early despite their popularity ("Down to the Honkytonk" and "I Wish Grandpas Never Died" are two of the best recent examples). I think bdrm87 's assessment is more in-line with what actually happened here. Radio tends to have an over-reliance on callout numbers because they associate that more directly with who is listening to their station over sales/streams that may not directly reflect their audiences. I think callout seems to be rather flawed (especially against female voices) and contributes to the whole 'radio is becoming less and less important' argument, but I digress. Sorry, about my post then, I deleted it cause it's clear I was in the wrong with what I was trying to say here. Sorry.
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Post by bdrm87 on Jun 20, 2020 22:09:22 GMT -5
Sometimes songs connect really well (sales/streams) but still test poorly, that might cause them to stall out early despite their popularity ("Down to the Honkytonk" and "I Wish Grandpas Never Died" are two of the best recent examples). I think bdrm87 's assessment is more in-line with what actually happened here. Radio tends to have an over-reliance on callout numbers because they associate that more directly with who is listening to their station over sales/streams that may not directly reflect their audiences. I think callout seems to be rather flawed (especially against female voices) and contributes to the whole 'radio is becoming less and less important' argument, but I digress. Sorry, about my post then, I deleted it cause it's clear I was in the wrong with what I was trying to say here. Sorry. Don’t apologize for expressing your POV. You always have something interesting to bring to the conversation. I find comparing the trends in what’s popular on radio vs. what people are buying/streaming fascinating, and in a perfect world they would line up much closer than they seem to in reality.
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Post by Sugar Rush on Jun 21, 2020 12:40:32 GMT -5
I am perplexed as how it got such bad call outs, when at album release all the publications and reputable critics were calling it the best song on the album and pushing for it to be a single..... like when Luke Bryan's One Margarita is getting good scores and this one isn't, it just reminds me how blatantly sexist the industry is. Both songs talk about drinking too. You'd think that would be good for this one as drinking is known as a country music trope. :/ Yep. I thought that since country radio usually throws anything that revolves around alcohol to the top of the charts, but Drinking Alone obviously being released by a female in her mid thirties proved otherwise. The funny thing is too 'Southbound' which is much more in tune to some of the more generic released chart toppers that really aren't anything special, stalled at #3 too which further just supports the ageism (particularly for females) and sexism rampant in the industry.
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Post by Crimsonio on Jun 21, 2020 12:49:12 GMT -5
The reason this era stalled out so much is because of the horrible choice of singles and in what order they were made in. Cry Pretty, while a great ballad, should've never been the lead single. The lead should've been Southbound imo and have Cry Pretty be a promo track. Then, scrap Love Wins all together as a single and replace it with Ghosts on the Stereo, make End Up With You the third single, and then close the era out with That Song That We Used To Make Love To. This era was full of missed opportunities for Carrie and it hasn't been an amazing start for her at her new label in terms of country radio success. I still love her though, this is just constructive criticism.
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Post by taylor on Jun 21, 2020 13:46:57 GMT -5
Both songs talk about drinking too. You'd think that would be good for this one as drinking is known as a country music trope. :/ Yep. I thought that since country radio usually throws anything that revolves around alcohol to the top of the charts, but Drinking Alone obviously being released by a female in her mid thirties proved otherwise. The funny thing is too 'Southbound' which is much more in tune to some of the more generic released chart toppers that really aren't anything special, stalled at #3 too which further just supports the ageism (particularly for females) and sexism rampant in the industry. Well, it did hit #1 on Mediabase (the official Carrie Underwood chart :kii: ) but yeah, I wish it would've hit #1 on Billboard as well. That said, "Southbound" did suffer from poor timing of its peak ("Prayed For You" was a huge #1 hit, and even if Carrie had made it past the other song--I can't remember what was #2 that week--she still wouldn't have hit #1; the audience on "Prayed For You" was too large if I'm not mistaken.) But yeah, "Drinking Alone" should've hit the Top 10 on Billboard at least. If Luke Bryan is allowed to sing about one margarita, two margaritas, three margaritas...Carrie can sing about sitting down with a stranger drowning out the pain of heartbreak with a bottle of good reposado. :( The reason this era stalled out so much is because of the horrible choice of singles and in what order they were made in. Cry Pretty, while a great ballad, should've never been the lead single. The lead should've been Southbound imo and have Cry Pretty be a promo track. Then, scrap Love Wins all together as a single and replace it with Ghosts on the Stereo, make End Up With You the third single, and then close the era out with That Song That We Used To Make Love To. This era was full of missed opportunities for Carrie and it hasn't been an amazing start for her at her new label in terms of country radio success. I still love her though, this is just constructive criticism. I agree with some of this, but disagree with "Cry Pretty" as a lead single and particularly "That Song." I've posted word-walls in this thread already, but "Cry Pretty" is, in my opinion, the only lead single that makes sense in the context of this album. Not because it's the title track, but because of the things she went through that brought the song about. It really was the perfect comeback too after the CMAs of 2017--that performance at the ACMs ended with a 40-second standing O. She's had ballads in the summer before; I direct my frustration at the lower peak for the song towards the state of country radio in 2018 for women, and it didn't help that Carrie was 35 at the time of the song's release. I do agree that "Love Wins", as much as I love it and as much as it means to me, was just a ridiculous choice for the second single. That should've stayed as a promo single, and "Ghosts On the Stereo" should've been single 2 so I agree with that as well. "Southbound" made sense as a summer single, and then I would've gone with either "Low," or maybe even "Backsliding" as the final single. (I would say DA but the GP must not have liked it.) "That Song" however is the worst song on that album, and the worst song of her career imo. It's terrible and has aged very poorly. I think that had the single choices after "Cry Pretty" been much better, this era would've been perfect. It was still great overall (11/13 notwithstanding); I mean, the tour was the biggest of her career thus far, 15 years into it, and in 2019 she headlined Glastonbury. Hopefully the next era (after the Christmas album) will be much better at radio; and hopefully CU7 turns out overall to be phenomenal.
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Post by musicfan134 on Jun 21, 2020 17:41:11 GMT -5
GOTS would have flopped harder than LW.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Jun 21, 2020 20:47:58 GMT -5
TSTWUTMLT is one of my all time favorites, and I feel that it would’ve smashed if released. Such an ear worm, and the intro draws you in unlike anything else in Carrie’s catalogue, in my opinion. Also, for me it has aged well - I still love it. It did turn out to be a rather polarizing song (love it or hate it) for the most part, but I think it would’ve done really well on country radio and TOTALLY could’ve gotten crossover attention as well.
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Post by raylatch98 on Jun 21, 2020 21:12:30 GMT -5
TSTWUTMLT is one of my all time favorites, and I feel that it would’ve smashed if released. Such an ear worm, and the intro draws you in unlike anything else in Carrie’s catalogue, in my opinion. Also, for me it has aged well - I still love it. It did turn out to be a rather polarizing song (love it or hate it) for the most part, but I think it would’ve done really well on country radio and TOTALLY could’ve gotten crossover attention as well. bboat11 Put it best for what is wrong with "The Song We Used To Make Love To" can't quote it but I do have the comment here "That Song" is such an embarrassing mess... I don't know why THIS gets a pass from so many people who also hate "Love Wins"... Like, no matter which angle you try to spin it from, this song falls flat. Is it country? Nope. Are the lyrics creative or exciting? Nope, they're just about wanting sex. Is the production good? Not even slightly. Is the instrumental arrangement at least inspired and fresh? Not unless a track composed of all the different odd sounds that can be made in Garageband is your idea of "fresh". Will it be a good song for a live show? No, because live songs are supposed to NOT suck all the energy from the entire room. Is it a good vocal performance? Nope. Randy Travis could probably sing that opening verse better than she did...
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Post by carrieidol1 on Jun 21, 2020 21:24:58 GMT -5
TSTWUTMLT is one of my all time favorites, and I feel that it would’ve smashed if released. Such an ear worm, and the intro draws you in unlike anything else in Carrie’s catalogue, in my opinion. Also, for me it has aged well - I still love it. It did turn out to be a rather polarizing song (love it or hate it) for the most part, but I think it would’ve done really well on country radio and TOTALLY could’ve gotten crossover attention as well. bboat11 Put it best for what is wrong with "The Song We Used To Make Love To" can't quote it but I do have the comment here "That Song" is such an embarrassing mess... I don't know why THIS gets a pass from so many people who also hate "Love Wins"... Like, no matter which angle you try to spin it from, this song falls flat. Is it country? Nope. Are the lyrics creative or exciting? Nope, they're just about wanting sex. Is the production good? Not even slightly. Is the instrumental arrangement at least inspired and fresh? Not unless a track composed of all the different odd sounds that can be made in Garageband is your idea of "fresh". Will it be a good song for a live show? No, because live songs are supposed to NOT suck all the energy from the entire room. Is it a good vocal performance? Nope. Randy Travis could probably sing that opening verse better than she did... Obviously I disagree. I fricken love it, and this analysis won’t change how I feel about the song or its potential, but to each their own. I know it’s not a shining career moment artistically or vocally, but it’s fun and incredibly catchy. I find the low verses captivating and the production throughout is fun, I love blasting this in my car - with a nice sound system the song sounds fantastic, GarageBand or not. Like I said, I realize now that it’s a “love it or hate it” type of song, but I proudly stand on the “love it” side with this one. Ever since we were able to hear the 1:30 minute clip on iTunes, I was hooked, and I still am! I post this lightheartedly, I’m not picking a fight - just sticking up for my jam. 😂
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Post by raylatch98 on Jun 21, 2020 21:26:25 GMT -5
bboat11 Put it best for what is wrong with "The Song We Used To Make Love To" can't quote it but I do have the comment here "That Song" is such an embarrassing mess... I don't know why THIS gets a pass from so many people who also hate "Love Wins"... Like, no matter which angle you try to spin it from, this song falls flat. Is it country? Nope. Are the lyrics creative or exciting? Nope, they're just about wanting sex. Is the production good? Not even slightly. Is the instrumental arrangement at least inspired and fresh? Not unless a track composed of all the different odd sounds that can be made in Garageband is your idea of "fresh". Will it be a good song for a live show? No, because live songs are supposed to NOT suck all the energy from the entire room. Is it a good vocal performance? Nope. Randy Travis could probably sing that opening verse better than she did... Obviously I disagree. I fricken love it, and this analysis won’t change how I feel about the song or its potential, but to each their own. I know it’s not a shining career moment artistically or vocally, but it’s fun and incredibly catchy. I find the low verses captivating and the production throughout is fun, I love blasting this in my car - with a nice sound system the song sounds fantastic, GarageBand or not. Like I said, I realize now that it’s a “love it or hate it” type of song, but I proudly stand on the “love it” side with this one. Ever since we were able to hear the 1:30 clip on iTunes, I was hooked, and I still am! I post this lightheartedly, I’m not picking a fight - just sticking up for my jam. 😂 Oh no I did not think you were picking a fight, and I hope you did not think I was, as that was not my intention at all
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jun 21, 2020 21:29:05 GMT -5
"That Song..." is hands down the worst song on Cry Pretty imo and if something like "Drinking Alone" could test as poorly as it did, then there's no way that one would've done better on that front. I think that one may have even struggled to reach the top 20, honestly.
"Ghosts on the Stereo" sounds like it could've easily fit in with the singles set from Storyteller and sounds more like a song tailor-made for what country radio PDs like than just about anything else on the album. I could've seen it still being another lower impact single potentially (i.e. not selling/streaming that well), but I think if that were released it would've peaked closer to where "Southbound" did than where this or "Love Wins" ended up.
We'll obviously never know the actuality of either song had they been singles, but that's my take.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Jun 21, 2020 21:30:06 GMT -5
Obviously I disagree. I fricken love it, and this analysis won’t change how I feel about the song or its potential, but to each their own. I know it’s not a shining career moment artistically or vocally, but it’s fun and incredibly catchy. I find the low verses captivating and the production throughout is fun, I love blasting this in my car - with a nice sound system the song sounds fantastic, GarageBand or not. Like I said, I realize now that it’s a “love it or hate it” type of song, but I proudly stand on the “love it” side with this one. Ever since we were able to hear the 1:30 clip on iTunes, I was hooked, and I still am! I post this lightheartedly, I’m not picking a fight - just sticking up for my jam. 😂 Oh no I did not think you were picking a fight, and I hope you did not think I was, as that was not my intention at all No, no. I just didn’t want anyone to think I was... I don’t want my tone to come off as “I’m right, you’re wrong”, that’s all. To kinda stay on topic, for what it’s worth I am usually wrong about single choices and their potential. I thought “Heartbeat” would smash, and I thought “Love Wins” would, too. So my ability to predict singles and their success is apparently shit.
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Post by taylor on Jun 21, 2020 22:01:42 GMT -5
Oh no I did not think you were picking a fight, and I hope you did not think I was, as that was not my intention at all No, no. I just didn’t want anyone to think I was... I don’t want my tone to come off as “I’m right, you’re wrong”, that’s all. To kinda stay on topic, for what it’s worth I am usually wrong about single choices and their potential. I thought “Heartbeat” would smash, and I thought “Love Wins” would, too. So my ability to predict singles and their success is apparently s**t. fwiw...Heartbeat hit #1 on Billboard so you're right there.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Jun 21, 2020 22:09:53 GMT -5
No, no. I just didn’t want anyone to think I was... I don’t want my tone to come off as “I’m right, you’re wrong”, that’s all. To kinda stay on topic, for what it’s worth I am usually wrong about single choices and their potential. I thought “Heartbeat” would smash, and I thought “Love Wins” would, too. So my ability to predict singles and their success is apparently s**t. fwiw...Heartbeat hit #1 on Billboard so you're right there. Ehhh but it wasn’t a smash. I honestly thought it’d be like a massive hit ... multi platinum type hit. IF they ran with the Sam Hunt thing and actually made it a duet, I think it could have done even better - especially with a Grammy slot for the song which was hyped as a duet, but literally had Carrie singing with Sam and his practically muted mic. Nevertheless, I thought it would be huge, but it was just a “hit”...
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Post by musicfan134 on Jun 21, 2020 22:16:20 GMT -5
TSTWUTMLT is one of my all time favorites, and I feel that it would’ve smashed if released. Such an ear worm, and the intro draws you in unlike anything else in Carrie’s catalogue, in my opinion. Also, for me it has aged well - I still love it. It did turn out to be a rather polarizing song (love it or hate it) for the most part, but I think it would’ve done really well on country radio and TOTALLY could’ve gotten crossover attention as well. bboat11 Put it best for what is wrong with "The Song We Used To Make Love To" can't quote it but I do have the comment here "That Song" is such an embarrassing mess... I don't know why THIS gets a pass from so many people who also hate "Love Wins"... Like, no matter which angle you try to spin it from, this song falls flat. Is it country? Nope. Are the lyrics creative or exciting? Nope, they're just about wanting sex. Is the production good? Not even slightly. Is the instrumental arrangement at least inspired and fresh? Not unless a track composed of all the different odd sounds that can be made in Garageband is your idea of "fresh". Will it be a good song for a live show? No, because live songs are supposed to NOT suck all the energy from the entire room. Is it a good vocal performance? Nope. Randy Travis could probably sing that opening verse better than she did... 1) I think you could make the argument that several songs from CP aren't country. EUWY, LW, Kingdom, The Champion are the standouts off the top of my head that aren't super country. 2) The lyrics are fine I think. Not every song has to be this lyrical masterpiece. And you seem to be forgetting that mediocre lyrics didn't stop "Undo It" or "Last Name" from being a smash. 3) I think the production sounds good. 4) I will concede that the instrumental is a bit all over the place, but I think that makes me like it more. 5) I think it would translate well live if she ever sang it. She did sing it for the fanclub party, and it seemed to be okay given it was a virtual party. 6) Excuse you. Carrie could sing the alphabet and it would sound great. I see nothing wrong with her vocal performance on this song. Does she have better songs? Of course. Is it the best song on CP? Not by a long shot. But I think it's a good song. I don't know that it necessarily would've been a smash, but I do think it would've done better than LW.
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Post by bboat11 on Jun 21, 2020 22:33:32 GMT -5
Damn, I really tore "That Song" apart back in the day!!!! 😂 But no lies were told... I'm going to sashay on out of here now before any more of my opinions on this album slip out 😂
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Post by bdrm87 on Jun 21, 2020 23:09:39 GMT -5
Damn, I really tore "That Song" apart back in the day!!!! 😂 But no lies were told... I'm going to sashay on out of here now before any more of my opinions on this album slip out 😂 You went a little easy on it for my tastes haha. An absolutely atrocious song from every aspect IMO, but now I kinda wish they would’ve released it just to see how bad the callouts would be.
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Post by misterscribbs on Jun 21, 2020 23:15:26 GMT -5
I may be partial here, but am I the only one who thinks that Spinning Bottles could have done well at radio? If I recall correctly, it didn’t smash when she performed it at the AMA’s streaming and sales wise, but I think with a proper radio treatment it would have fared better than the majority of the singles released this era. It doesn’t quite fit into what’s popular on radio, but I feel like it would be less jarring than other songs. Idk, I just always thought it would pull some heartstrings and it’s a beautifully written and delivered song, one of the best in Carrie’s catalogue in my opinion.
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Post by bboat11 on Jun 22, 2020 5:31:42 GMT -5
I may be partial here, but am I the only one who thinks that Spinning Bottles could have done well at radio? If I recall correctly, it didn’t smash when she performed it at the AMA’s streaming and sales wise, but I think with a proper radio treatment it would have fared better than the majority of the singles released this era. It doesn’t quite fit into what’s popular on radio, but I feel like it would be less jarring than other songs. Idk, I just always thought it would pull some heartstrings and it’s a beautifully written and delivered song, one of the best in Carrie’s catalogue in my opinion. Hell to the yes!!! “Spinning Bottles” is incredible. My favorite on the album too, or at least close to it ♥️ I pretty much stopped talking about its hit potential early on because I figured they would steer clear of the other ballads after the title track underperformed. I’m not convinced it would have been a great radio song, but it is certainly a great song in general!
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Post by austin on Jun 22, 2020 8:37:52 GMT -5
This is a great song and was definitely the right choice for a single. I wonder how it would have done as the first or second single. The issue this era was "Love Wins". I do agree its been underwhelming from a promo side with all the focus her label had on making her a "global superstar". We saw literally nothing different than any of her other eras.
I hate the song "Cry Pretty" and think that was a bad single choice too, but there is something to be said about it showing off the album as the lead single. The real problem was "Love Wins". I actually like this album a bit more than her last several offerings, but those two tracks are two of my bottom three ("Ghosts on the Stereo" is the worst).
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