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Post by Au$tin on Dec 30, 2021 10:06:44 GMT -5
Death jokes...thats tasteless...but I'm not suprised at this point You grossly missed the context and punchline if you thought it was a joke about his son's death.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Dec 30, 2021 10:53:52 GMT -5
Idk. These still don’t say butterfly effect to me. Am I wrong? They’re all pretty much still related and intentional whereas I thought a “butterfly effect” was when something small results in a much larger and *completely unlikely/unrelated outcome*.
For example, if Gladys Knight was on her way to the airport/supermarket/church/etc and got a flat tire outside of the place she first met/discovered Michael Jackson. If it wasn’t for her flat tire, we would never have the music of any of the Jackson’s.
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Post by Au$tin on Dec 30, 2021 11:28:32 GMT -5
Idk. These still don’t say butterfly effect to me. Am I wrong? They’re all pretty much still related and intentional whereas I thought a “butterfly effect” was when something small results in a much larger and *completely unlikely/unrelated outcome*. For example, if Gladys Knight was on her way to the airport/supermarket/church/etc and got a flat tire outside of the place she first met/discovered Michael Jackson. If it wasn’t for her flat tire, we would never have the music of any of the Jackson’s. Yes, that's exactly what a butterfly effect is. Most of what's been presented so far in this thread is just cause and effect situations.
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Post by Private Dancer on Dec 30, 2021 12:33:34 GMT -5
Idk. These still don’t say butterfly effect to me. Am I wrong? They’re all pretty much still related and intentional whereas I thought a “butterfly effect” was when something small results in a much larger and *completely unlikely/unrelated outcome*. For example, if Gladys Knight was on her way to the airport/supermarket/church/etc and got a flat tire outside of the place she first met/discovered Michael Jackson. If it wasn’t for her flat tire, we would never have the music of any of the Jackson’s. I mean She didn't have a flat tire or anything of that magnitude. She just so happen to be at the Regal the same week the Jacksons were trying to get noticed. If she decided to go somewhere else or skip going to the Regal (she wasn't performing, she was in the audience), then we wouldn't have them today. Does that count?
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Post by B-Boy on Dec 30, 2021 12:57:20 GMT -5
I have always credited Diana Ross for playing a part in MJ’s solo superstardom. She begged TPTB for Michael to join “The Wiz”. He met Quincy Jones who also happened to be involved in the project. From then on, they gave us Off The Wall, Thriller and Bad. In other words, MJ wouldn’t be a huge star had it not been for Diana Ross.
If Devante Swing (Jodeci) hadn’t gave Missy Elliott and Timbaland a chance, the music industry would’ve been totally different. Also, if those two never left him, we wouldn’t have gotten the songs for Aaliyah’s One In A Million especially the title track. Lord knows where R&B would’ve headed to in the late 90s.
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Post by Private Dancer on Dec 30, 2021 13:14:29 GMT -5
I have always credited Diana Ross for playing a part in MJ’s solo superstardom. She begged TPTB for Michael to join “The Wiz”. He met Quincy Jones who also happened to be involved in the project. From then on, they gave us Off The Wall, Thriller and Bad. In other words, MJ wouldn’t be a huge star had it not been for Diana Ross. If Devante Swing (Jodeci) hadn’t gave Missy Elliott and Timbaland a chance, the music industry would’ve been totally different. Also, if those two never left him, we wouldn’t have gotten the songs for Aaliyah’s One In A Million especially the title track. Lord knows where R&B would’ve headed to in the late 90s. To add onto Aaliyah...if she shot the scene in Miami or if she waited to get on a other plane she would not have passed away, which means we wouldn't have gotten Ciara, Ashanti,Tweet, the sexified Nelly Furtado, possibly not even JT. This would really affect the music of the 00s because JT and Furtado really had pop music in a chokehold at that point.By Aaliyah's label deciding to make the decision to shoot it in Bahamas and by her making the decision to board the plane it caused her untimely death.
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Post by Groovy on Dec 30, 2021 14:28:05 GMT -5
Janet’s wardrobe malfunction is how Youtube was created.
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Post by JukeboxJacob on Dec 30, 2021 15:09:03 GMT -5
Death jokes...thats tasteless...but I'm not suprised at this point You grossly missed the context and punchline if you thought it was a joke about his son's death. ...what did we miss? How could one possibly interpret what you said any differently?
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Post by Au$tin on Dec 30, 2021 15:15:52 GMT -5
You grossly missed the context and punchline if you thought it was a joke about his son's death. ...what did we miss? How could one possibly interpret what you said any differently? It was very clearly a joke about leonagwen's inability to identify a butterfly effect. Like are y'all really that incapable of deducing context? Honestly not sorry if I offended anyone because you should not have been offended by it. Go clutch your pearls elsewhere.
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Post by Trilogy on Dec 30, 2021 22:58:01 GMT -5
so tell me how my normal ass, collared shirt ass, bread and coffee for breakfast on a wednesday morning ass joke post is more on-topic than some of these replies here
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Post by jimijoop on Mar 28, 2023 9:16:29 GMT -5
Pique having an affair with another woman unironically saved Shakira's mainstream career (in USA at least)
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Post by Au$tin on Mar 28, 2023 11:28:18 GMT -5
Somewhat musically related
The 9/11 terrorist attacks -> 50 Shades of Grey existing
And here's why (and why it's musically related).
Gerard Way, lead singer of My Chemical Romance, witnessed the attacks in NYC that day. It is what inspired him to finally create a band. MCR's music was a huge influence in Stephanie Myers writing Twilight. Twilight inspired a fanfic that would eventually become 50 Shades of Grey.
And of course, there are more musical elements here. The Twilight and 50 Shades soundtracks feature some big hits and killer songs that otherwise wouldn't exist without their source material. Hell, 50 Shades gave The Weeknd his first mainstream hit. Therefore, 9/11 gave us The Weeknd.
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Post by tekkenguy on Apr 27, 2023 13:08:19 GMT -5
The entire music scene of the 2010s would look different if “Degrassi: The Next Generation” was never aired outside of Canada.
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Post by Fire on Nov 18, 2023 15:18:29 GMT -5
idk if i'm doing this right or how accurate this is but if justin bieber hadn't become a huge pop star in 2009 we may not have gotten 10 minute all too well or any of the TV's of taylor's albums.
bieber and asher roth were scooter braun's first artists he signed i think and this was when the market was very close to crashing. if bieber hadn't become a superstar, scooter braun probably wouldn't be such a powerful figure in music and wouldn't have acquired taylor's entire back catalogue, meaning taylor wouldn't need to rerecord all her albums
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Post by torgojohnson on Nov 19, 2023 6:44:36 GMT -5
If Andrew Wood wouldn't have bought a bad batch of heroin in March 1990, Pearl Jam would have never existed and it is likely Eddie Vedder would have never been famous.
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Dec 13, 2023 8:04:12 GMT -5
Pique having an affair with another woman unironically saved Shakira's mainstream career (in USA at least) So actually, the butterfly effect in this one was that the woman finished a jar of jam that Shakira had in her refrigerator. If she hadn't had that jam, Shakira wouldn't have found out about the affair, and the entirety of 2023 would not have happened. All from a jam jar.
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Post by avamaxstan on Dec 13, 2023 20:53:43 GMT -5
The obvious one that no one has mentioned yet is Kanye stealing Taylor Swift's mic at the 2009 VMAs. There's a non-zero chance that her 2012-2019 output would not exist (or would be executed very differently) if that didn't happen. Sorry not seeing this one.
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Post by taylor on Dec 13, 2023 22:06:03 GMT -5
The obvious one that no one has mentioned yet is Kanye stealing Taylor Swift's mic at the 2009 VMAs. There's a non-zero chance that her 2012-2019 output would not exist (or would be executed very differently) if that didn't happen. Sorry not seeing this one. well… reputation certainly wouldn’t exist, nor would “Innocent” be on Speak Now. I feel like she certainly would’ve still gone pop the way she did, but that album literally would’ve never been created. Think about it. reputation was created after Taylor was “canceled” by a mob led by Kim Kardashian and Kanye West, the latter of whom had written a song called “Famous,” in which he falsely boasted about having made Taylor famous. ( “Still think me and Taylor might have sex…I made that bitch famous.” We remember that line, right?) Kanye wouldn’t have ever written that line if he hadn’t grabbed her mic at the 2009 VMAs. Which means he would’ve never made that phone call that Kim edited before leaking. Taylor never would’ve been “canceled.” reputation wouldn’t exist. To expand on the original post you’re quoting: Taylor likely would’ve continued on two-year album eras, at least perhaps until the pandemic. She was supposedly working on TS6 (an entirely different TS6 from what we got) until the events with Kanye happened, at which point she scrapped that album to make reputation after her year-long hiatus. If the events with Kanye hadn’t happened and Taylor hadn’t taken that extra year, we would’ve had her sixth album in 2016, her seventh album in 2018, and so on. She might’ve still been on two-year cycles to this day, regardless of the pandemic (I don’t think she would’ve released two albums that year), and we’d only be on her ninth album era right now, with TS10 still coming in 2024. She might’ve never gone the alternative route, and her popularity might’ve waned by now. I could go on, but we’d be here forever. There are SO many ways in which that moment at the 2009 VMAs DRASTICALLY altered the trajectory of multiple aspects of Taylor’s career—and arguably her life.
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Post by avamaxstan on Dec 14, 2023 1:06:09 GMT -5
You’re drawing correlations that there isn’t a basis for. Sure, there’s a few songs in her giant library that were influenced by the VMA incident. But to say that her entire 2010s career and shift to pop wouldn’t exist without Kanye grabbing her mic (as that other post claimed)….. lol.
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Dec 14, 2023 8:16:24 GMT -5
Sorry not seeing this one. well…reputation certainly wouldn’t exist, nor would “Innocent” be on Speak Now. I feel like she certainly would’ve still gone pop the way she did, but that album literally would’ve never been created.Think about it. reputation was created after Taylor was “canceled” by a mob led by Kim Kardashian and Kanye West I mean, this never happened but sure. There was never a point where Taylor suffered any sort of professional backlash from Kim's recording, other than the word seeing that Taylor wasn't the victim her label always made her out to be (and Taylor's realization that she was trapped by that image). anyway, back on topic in 1999, a nobody was hired as an extra to walk around in the background of the Bills, Bills, Bills video. Matthew Knowles thought she looked right, and she spent the next 6 months lip syncing to Letoya Luckett vocals. That nobody? Farrah Franklin, erstwhile child of destiny. She then caught a stomach bug, resulting in Beyonce kicking her out of the group. Destiny's Child would only record 1 more album after Franklin got the boot. So really Farrah Franklin being an extra in Bills, Bills, Bills is responsible for the Rennaisance Tour
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Post by Au$tin on Dec 15, 2023 0:45:55 GMT -5
Think about it. reputation was created after Taylor was “canceled” by a mob led by Kim Kardashian and Kanye West I mean, this never happened but sure. What? Surely you're joking. This did, in fact, happen. #TaylorSwiftIsOverParty ring any bells?
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Post by Forever Winter on Dec 15, 2023 3:39:32 GMT -5
I mean, this never happened but sure. What? Surely you're joking. This did, in fact, happen. #TaylorSwiftIsOverParty ring any bells? She literally went from it girl to uncool and the Voldemort of music overnight. Literally one of the few instances when online cancellations crossed over to the real life
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Post by Az Paynter on Dec 15, 2023 4:01:22 GMT -5
Narratives about Taylor's 'cancellation' are grossly over-exaggerated. The hustle to make LWYMMD a #1 radio single couldn't be more blatant but the extent to which people were streaming the video/buying the song to make it a multi-week Hot 100 leader would never have happened if Taylor was truly so utterly-cancelled that everybody stopped checking for her out of spite.
The way some would tell it, one would think she was point blank banned from getting ANY airplay whatsoever, her songs were tanking iTunes and her album was moving peanuts. Literally none of these things were true. Taylor had set the bar for success so high for so long that true, the 'Reputation' era was a marked decline in performance for her but many other artists (including several Pulse faves) would kill to have a 'flop era' like that.
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Post by Forever Winter on Dec 15, 2023 16:31:48 GMT -5
Narratives about Taylor's 'cancellation' are grossly over-exaggerated. The hustle to make LWYMMD a #1 radio single couldn't be more blatant but the extent to which people were streaming the video/buying the song to make it a multi-week Hot 100 leader would never have happened if Taylor was truly so utterly-cancelled that everybody stopped checking for her out of spite. The way some would tell it, one would think she was point blank banned from getting ANY airplay whatsoever, her songs were tanking iTunes and her album was moving peanuts. Literally none of these things were true. Taylor had set the bar for success so high for so long that true, the 'Reputation' era was a marked decline in performance for her but many other artists (including several Pulse faves) would kill to have a 'flop era' like that. I disagree. At least in my experience. She was really hated in my school. Like you couldn’t play her music or mention her at all level hated. She became uncool and a joke. I don’t think anyone is implying that she was cancelled by the industry though. Which is what you seem to be talking about.
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Dec 15, 2023 17:13:29 GMT -5
If Dolly Parton didn't decide to leave Porter Wagoner's show, Whitney Houston wouldn't have ever sang her signature hit "I Will Always Love You".
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Post by Az Paynter on Dec 15, 2023 20:08:32 GMT -5
Narratives about Taylor's 'cancellation' are grossly over-exaggerated. The hustle to make LWYMMD a #1 radio single couldn't be more blatant but the extent to which people were streaming the video/buying the song to make it a multi-week Hot 100 leader would never have happened if Taylor was truly so utterly-cancelled that everybody stopped checking for her out of spite. The way some would tell it, one would think she was point blank banned from getting ANY airplay whatsoever, her songs were tanking iTunes and her album was moving peanuts. Literally none of these things were true. Taylor had set the bar for success so high for so long that true, the 'Reputation' era was a marked decline in performance for her but many other artists (including several Pulse faves) would kill to have a 'flop era' like that. I disagree. At least in my experience. She was really hated in my school. Like you couldn’t play her music or mention her at all level hated. She became uncool and a joke. I don’t think anyone is implying that she was cancelled by the industry though. Which is what you seem to be talking about. I'm talking about her chart performance which is still controlled by public consumption. Not the industry. Whatever public sentiment or discourse existed around Taylor at the time, it was not so all-encompassing that the public disengaged with her music en masse. There was always enough people still checking for Taylor that she was never actually 'over'.
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Post by tekkenguy on Dec 16, 2023 3:12:01 GMT -5
Narratives about Taylor's 'cancellation' are grossly over-exaggerated. The hustle to make LWYMMD a #1 radio single couldn't be more blatant but the extent to which people were streaming the video/buying the song to make it a multi-week Hot 100 leader would never have happened if Taylor was truly so utterly-cancelled that everybody stopped checking for her out of spite. The way some would tell it, one would think she was point blank banned from getting ANY airplay whatsoever, her songs were tanking iTunes and her album was moving peanuts. Literally none of these things were true. Taylor had set the bar for success so high for so long that true, the 'Reputation' era was a marked decline in performance for her but many other artists (including several Pulse faves) would kill to have a 'flop era' like that. Reputation was not a flop era by any means. It was like Bangerz, a “good girl goes bad” era that got her a lot of hate for her new attitude but still was resoundingly successful, even if not 1989-level.
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Post by Az Paynter on Dec 16, 2023 3:26:20 GMT -5
I didn't call it a flop era though. Because it wasn't. Reading comprehension, I tell ya...
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Dec 16, 2023 9:00:36 GMT -5
Narratives about Taylor's 'cancellation' are grossly over-exaggerated. The hustle to make LWYMMD a #1 radio single couldn't be more blatant but the extent to which people were streaming the video/buying the song to make it a multi-week Hot 100 leader would never have happened if Taylor was truly so utterly-cancelled that everybody stopped checking for her out of spite. The way some would tell it, one would think she was point blank banned from getting ANY airplay whatsoever, her songs were tanking iTunes and her album was moving peanuts. Literally none of these things were true. Taylor had set the bar for success so high for so long that true, the 'Reputation' era was a marked decline in performance for her but many other artists (including several Pulse faves) would kill to have a 'flop era' like that. I disagree. At least in my experience. She was really hated in my school. Like you couldn’t play her music or mention her at all level hated. She became uncool and a joke. I don’t think anyone is implying that she was cancelled by the industry though. Which is what you seem to be talking about. I mean maybe people at your school thought she was uncool but Reputation still moved 1.2 million units week 1. So clearly not everybody hated her.
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Post by rnb on Dec 16, 2023 9:12:44 GMT -5
I didn't call it a flop era though. Because it wasn't. Reading comprehension, I tell ya... what do you expect from a morgan wallen stan
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