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Post by Carriefan1190 on Sept 12, 2023 16:15:40 GMT -5
Alright, a few things.
First, Miranda has already been dropped by radio for the most part. Like others have said, she only really had radio success from about 2010-2014 or so. By comparison, everything Carrie sent to radio hit top 10 up until “Love Wins” in 2018. That’s 13 years of radio success. She is still a big draw as seen with the Jason Aldean duet. Yes, she might be struggling compared to previous chart runs, but others are running into that problem, which brings me to my other point.
Unless your name is Luke Combs or Morgan Wallen, you aren’t going to see your single hit the top in 14-16 weeks. Most country artists it takes 24+ weeks these days for a single to peak, and OOTT is only about 15 weeks in.
OOTT getting to #33 on Mediabase is a big deal, because it’s starting to dislodge itself from the rest of the logjam happening in the lower half of the top 40. We just have to learn to be patient and let this do its thing. Streaming has already been excellent, so it’s already outperforming HMH.
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Post by Hil on Sept 12, 2023 18:53:02 GMT -5
Miranda isn't far behind? She's never had the radio success Carrie has, and she certainly didn't this era. Anyway, OOTT moved up to 33 on mediabase today and had 7 more adds. I personally think she has one more commercial album left. Love if she went more country or brought back the storyteller sound. Sorry if I offended you. My point is that Carrie and Miranda came up in the business together, which means they are often considered together when looking at a point and time in country music. I made no mention of comparing their chart success, touring success, or awards success. To be clear, I support them both, but love Carrie so much more. My comment was more all-encompassing than that. Both are reaching the mature stage of their chart success trajectory. I'm not saying either of them won't ever see any chart success again, but I contend that it will be harder and harder. It's just how the music industry continues to work, fair or not. My hope for Carrie is that she puts her heart and soul into something (whatever genre she chooses). To me, many of her most recent efforts are too formulaic and in the pop/country space. I agree about moving on from Garcia (unless she has a Christian Contemporary project upcoming perhaps). If she's going to focus on true country (I can dream can't I), she needs to move in a different direction. I want something that doesn't even compare to any of her other albums. There are individual songs I could point to as the sound I would love to see her develop further, but not a specific album from her discography. Here's what I want 😀: "Low"My bad if I sounded offended, I was more confused about the Miranda comment since she hasn't had the same radio success, and it seems like radio has already moved on from her. You were totally fine, I should have worded my confusion better. I'd love more country from Carrie as well.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Sept 12, 2023 19:14:56 GMT -5
Sorry if I offended you. My point is that Carrie and Miranda came up in the business together, which means they are often considered together when looking at a point and time in country music. I made no mention of comparing their chart success, touring success, or awards success. To be clear, I support them both, but love Carrie so much more. My comment was more all-encompassing than that. Both are reaching the mature stage of their chart success trajectory. I'm not saying either of them won't ever see any chart success again, but I contend that it will be harder and harder. It's just how the music industry continues to work, fair or not. My hope for Carrie is that she puts her heart and soul into something (whatever genre she chooses). To me, many of her most recent efforts are too formulaic and in the pop/country space. I agree about moving on from Garcia (unless she has a Christian Contemporary project upcoming perhaps). If she's going to focus on true country (I can dream can't I), she needs to move in a different direction. I want something that doesn't even compare to any of her other albums. There are individual songs I could point to as the sound I would love to see her develop further, but not a specific album from her discography. Here's what I want 😀: "Low"My bad if I sounded offended, I was more confused about the Miranda comment since she hasn't had the same radio success, and it seems like radio has already moved on from her. You were totally fine, I should have worded my confusion better. I'd love more country from Carrie as well. Sure Miranda's last single missed the top 40, but it's not like she's had a long line of flops and it was the last release under her long-term contract that she chose not to renew. She hasn't had the consistent radio success that Carrie Underwood has, but Miranda Lambert's last #1 solo hit ("Bluebird") was only three years ago and Carrie hasn't had one since 2016 with "Church Bells." Miranda is definitely no more done at country radio than Carrie is at this point. We'd need to see how her future singles perform to make that kind of call, lol.
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Post by zdm1998 on Sept 12, 2023 20:04:27 GMT -5
Yeah it’s still a little too soon to completely write Miranda off. She’s had plenty of singles flop and been able to come back (Dead Flowers, Keeper of the Flame, Crazy Ex, Smokin & Drinkin.)
We’ll have to see how her next album era goes before we know for sure. I do think Carrie is in a somewhat better position currently at radio, but I wouldn’t say Miranda is done. I’d be surprised if her lead single didn’t at least go top 20 whenever it is released.
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Post by schnetzka on Sept 14, 2023 13:51:50 GMT -5
I know it's because a good portion of the Today crowd were older but that audience was so lackluster.
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Post by zdm1998 on Sept 22, 2023 9:04:25 GMT -5
Not OOTT related, and hope I don't get in trouble for posting this, but this newbie from the deluxe was too good not to share. Personally, loving "Damage." Feels like it could have fit in easily on Storyteller; with a "Chaser" and slight "Relapse" type vibe.
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Post by Carriefan1190 on Sept 22, 2023 22:39:19 GMT -5
Damage is FIRE. I actually like most of the deluxe tracks.
However, in OOTT news, this stays at #38 for another week and now 2 weeks with negative updates. Let’s hope the chart can clear out so this can get a chance.
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Post by zdm1998 on Oct 12, 2023 6:50:02 GMT -5
Curious if this was pulled. It's seen some pretty rough updates over the past 3 ish days; might be too early to tell, but this has been a pretty bad week for this.
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Post by raylatch98 on Oct 12, 2023 8:49:29 GMT -5
Curious if this was pulled. It's seen some pretty rough updates over the past 3 ish days; might be too early to tell, but this has been a pretty bad week for this. I think it's struggling but not done as if it was done I feel like the negative updates at least spin wise would be larger.
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Post by diamondinmypocket on Oct 12, 2023 9:10:50 GMT -5
Really surprised to see this one struggling. It sounds like such a smash, and felt like there was alot of buzz around it. If this one gets pulled I'm a little concerned for Carries radio prospects moving forward
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Post by christianlarson9 on Oct 12, 2023 9:56:17 GMT -5
I'm not surprised that this is stalling. It was doing well on streaming and sales before it went to radio, but since then it hasn't been charting on iTunes or Apple Music (Spotify seems average for a song that's on Hot Country, so I don't think its numbers are anything special). I doubt it's done, but it's going to be a slow climb to wherever it peaks.
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Post by tigerman2022 on Oct 12, 2023 12:39:11 GMT -5
I'm just chalking up all of this to what might have been. Doesn't do any harm to let this play out because I'm not sure anything else from this project would do any better.
Maybe it picks up after the first of the year. Who knows? An interesting development for me is that the one song from this current project that I find myself listening to most is "Drunk and Hungover."
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Post by Hil on Oct 12, 2023 13:05:40 GMT -5
I'm just chalking up all of this to what might have been. Doesn't do any harm to let this play out because I'm not sure anything else from this project would do any better. Maybe it picks up after the first of the year. Who knows? An interesting development for me is that the one song from this current project that I find myself listening to most is "Drunk and Hungover." My favorite songs are the two new ballads with OOTT third. I swear the Deluxe should have been the singles. JMO
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Post by .indulgecountry on Oct 13, 2023 10:56:58 GMT -5
People are still comparing its run to Carrie's previous standards and that's what's letting them down. Look at it sitting almost side-by-side on the chart getting very similar updates to both current singles from Carly Pearce and Gabby Barrett, all three of which are on similar weeks charting as well. And then consider both of those are highly-anticipated lead singles from newer female artists with more momentum who are both coming off much bigger hits ("What He Didn't Do" was a total smash and "Pick Me Up" was a solid top 10 showing). I thought maybe the radio-friendliness of this track and the buzz around it would help it get off the ground a bit faster I admit, but there's honestly nothing really shocking about how its performing: Carrie's heyday at country radio is over, the charts are incredibly clogged and slow-moving most of the time, and men > women in the eyes of radio PDs so they're not going to be in a hurry to convert "all" of these women at the same time.
Kelsea's toiling in the top 20 after having one of the best years of her career from a critical standpoint and having her name in the press/lots of promo/etc., with a song that's 40-weeks old. Hailey Whitters scraped the top 20 but was on the chart for like 65 weeks. Ingrid Andress had a huge smash last year and her follow-up completely bombed. Kylie Morgan had a song that was connecting as well or possibly even better than OOTT and the best she could manage was to barely scrape the top 40. Lainey Wilson is the ONLY woman who seemingly has risen above this issue... and as of now it's *only* been for *one* single because "Watermelon Moonshine" smashed its way up the chart at record speed, but it's literally only her third solo hit at radio and the first two took almost a year to peak. That's the perspective you all need to take.
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Post by jab820 on Oct 13, 2023 11:49:46 GMT -5
Echo the post above me. Women at radio right now is as worse as it's been and all eyes are on Lainey Wilson as an excuse to ignore everyone else.
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Post by travelrocks24 on Oct 13, 2023 12:25:54 GMT -5
Echo the post above me. Women at radio right now is as worse as it's been and all eyes are on Lainey Wilson as an excuse to ignore everyone else. Tomatogate never ends. Until radio allows for more creative control, this is the story country radio will do over and over again. The Highway has been giving some independents a shot during their new music show since Buzz Brainard isn't hosting anymore, but no where near as much as they should.
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Post by tigerman2022 on Oct 13, 2023 13:50:24 GMT -5
People are still comparing its run to Carrie's previous standards and that's what's letting them down. Look at it sitting almost side-by-side on the chart getting very similar updates to both current singles from Carly Pearce and Gabby Barrett, all three of which are on similar weeks charting as well. And then consider both of those are highly-anticipated lead singles from newer female artists with more momentum who are both coming off much bigger hits ("What He Didn't Do" was a total smash and "Pick Me Up" was a solid top 10 showing). I thought maybe the radio-friendliness of this track and the buzz around it would help it get off the ground a bit faster I admit, but there's honestly nothing really shocking about how its performing: Carrie's heyday at country radio is over, the charts are incredibly clogged and slow-moving most of the time, and men > women in the eyes of radio PDs so they're not going to be in a hurry to convert "all" of these women at the same time. Kelsea's toiling in the top 20 after having one of the best years of her career from a critical standpoint and having her name in the press/lots of promo/etc., with a song that's 40-weeks old. Hailey Whitters scraped the top 20 but was on the chart for like 65 weeks. Ingrid Andress had a huge smash last year and her follow-up completely bombed. Kylie Morgan had a song that was connecting as well or possibly even better than OOTT and the best she could manage was to barely scrape the top 40. Lainey Wilson is the ONLY woman who seemingly has risen above this issue... and as of now it's *only* been for *one* single because "Watermelon Moonshine" smashed its way up the chart at record speed, but it's literally only her third solo hit at radio and the first two took almost a year to peak. That's the perspective you all need to take. I'm not even clear on how long "Out of That Truck" has been out at this point. In any event, I agree it's worth riding it out.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Oct 13, 2023 13:55:48 GMT -5
People are still comparing its run to Carrie's previous standards and that's what's letting them down. Look at it sitting almost side-by-side on the chart getting very similar updates to both current singles from Carly Pearce and Gabby Barrett, all three of which are on similar weeks charting as well. And then consider both of those are highly-anticipated lead singles from newer female artists with more momentum who are both coming off much bigger hits ("What He Didn't Do" was a total smash and "Pick Me Up" was a solid top 10 showing). I thought maybe the radio-friendliness of this track and the buzz around it would help it get off the ground a bit faster I admit, but there's honestly nothing really shocking about how its performing: Carrie's heyday at country radio is over, the charts are incredibly clogged and slow-moving most of the time, and men > women in the eyes of radio PDs so they're not going to be in a hurry to convert "all" of these women at the same time. Kelsea's toiling in the top 20 after having one of the best years of her career from a critical standpoint and having her name in the press/lots of promo/etc., with a song that's 40-weeks old. Hailey Whitters scraped the top 20 but was on the chart for like 65 weeks. Ingrid Andress had a huge smash last year and her follow-up completely bombed. Kylie Morgan had a song that was connecting as well or possibly even better than OOTT and the best she could manage was to barely scrape the top 40. Lainey Wilson is the ONLY woman who seemingly has risen above this issue... and as of now it's *only* been for *one* single because "Watermelon Moonshine" smashed its way up the chart at record speed, but it's literally only her third solo hit at radio and the first two took almost a year to peak. That's the perspective you all need to take. I'm not even clear on how long "Out of That Truck" has been out at this point. In any event, I agree it's worth riding it out. It went for adds on June 5th, so it's not unrealistic to expect this to (theoretically) hit #1 in like... May 2024. If it goes all the way to the top, it'll definitely be charting well into the spring at the rate its climbing. At any rate, I'm not seeing any indication to panic over it flopping its way off the charts anytime soon.
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Post by zdm1998 on Oct 13, 2023 14:03:23 GMT -5
Yeah I kind of feel like things have took a step back for women. There were so much optimism in 2020 with so many new females breaking through. But it has started to feel like it did in the early 2010s when Carrie was the only female seeing consistent success, but this time with Lainey being the main female seeing consistent success.
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Post by carriefan15 on Oct 13, 2023 14:23:17 GMT -5
Yeah I kind of feel like things have took a step back for women. There were so much optimism in 2020 with so many new females breaking through. But it has started to feel like it did in the early 2010s when Carrie was the only female seeing consistent success, but this time with Lainey being the main female seeing consistent success. I definitely wouldn’t say only Carrie was getting consistent success in the early ‘10s when The House That Built Me was 2010 and Mama’s Broken Heart was 2013, and I’m sure Miranda was winning Female Vocalist every year during this time too. And then Speak Now was released at the start of the ‘10s and Red a couple years later. So Taylor and Miranda were right up there too during that time.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Oct 13, 2023 14:44:02 GMT -5
Yeah I kind of feel like things have took a step back for women. There were so much optimism in 2020 with so many new females breaking through. Streaming has finally taken ahold on the country genre and it's kind of ushered in a new wave of misogyny because it's almost exclusively the men benefitting from that. There was some promise a few years ago, but now unless we get women to start moving the needle in a monumental way like Morgan Wallen or Luke Combs are currently, they're gonna keep getting shafted. Even Lainey Wilson is only just starting to get to a level where I can see her regularly climbing the charts speedily thanks to "Watermelon Moonshine," and she's benefited greatly from a lot of collaborations and a strong social media presence. I'm surprised that more female artists like Kelsea Ballerini haven't tried for more crossover success seeing as Morgan Wallen, Luke Combs, Jelly Roll and Kane Brown have all had top 10/20 hits on CHR within the past 1-2 years.
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Post by Carriefan1190 on Oct 13, 2023 16:39:17 GMT -5
People are still comparing its run to Carrie's previous standards and that's what's letting them down. Look at it sitting almost side-by-side on the chart getting very similar updates to both current singles from Carly Pearce and Gabby Barrett, all three of which are on similar weeks charting as well. And then consider both of those are highly-anticipated lead singles from newer female artists with more momentum who are both coming off much bigger hits ("What He Didn't Do" was a total smash and "Pick Me Up" was a solid top 10 showing). I thought maybe the radio-friendliness of this track and the buzz around it would help it get off the ground a bit faster I admit, but there's honestly nothing really shocking about how its performing: Carrie's heyday at country radio is over, the charts are incredibly clogged and slow-moving most of the time, and men > women in the eyes of radio PDs so they're not going to be in a hurry to convert "all" of these women at the same time. Kelsea's toiling in the top 20 after having one of the best years of her career from a critical standpoint and having her name in the press/lots of promo/etc., with a song that's 40-weeks old. Hailey Whitters scraped the top 20 but was on the chart for like 65 weeks. Ingrid Andress had a huge smash last year and her follow-up completely bombed. Kylie Morgan had a song that was connecting as well or possibly even better than OOTT and the best she could manage was to barely scrape the top 40. Lainey Wilson is the ONLY woman who seemingly has risen above this issue... and as of now it's *only* been for *one* single because "Watermelon Moonshine" smashed its way up the chart at record speed, but it's literally only her third solo hit at radio and the first two took almost a year to peak. That's the perspective you all need to take. I'm not even clear on how long "Out of That Truck" has been out at this point. In any event, I agree it's worth riding it out. This is week 19 for OOTT. I have never seen country radio this clogged. Literally no one is going to be able to smash with 2 Morgan Wallen songs, 2 Jelly Roll, 2 Luke Combs, 2 Lainey Wilson and so on. I say ride this out because women who have been in the industry maybe 5-10 years are having this issue as well. Yes, Carrie is a woman who is 40 now, but women of all ages in country music are struggling except for Lainey.
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Post by jab820 on Oct 13, 2023 22:07:55 GMT -5
Yeah I kind of feel like things have took a step back for women. There were so much optimism in 2020 with so many new females breaking through. Streaming has finally taken ahold on the country genre and it's kind of ushered in a new wave of misogyny because it's almost exclusively the men benefitting from that. There was some promise a few years ago, but now unless we get women to start moving the needle in a monumental way like Morgan Wallen or Luke Combs are currently, they're gonna keep getting shafted. Even Lainey Wilson is only just starting to get to a level where I can see her regularly climbing the charts speedily thanks to "Watermelon Moonshine," and she's benefited greatly from a lot of collaborations and a strong social media presence. I'm surprised that more female artists like Kelsea Ballerini haven't tried for more crossover success seeing as Morgan Wallen, Luke Combs, Jelly Roll and Kane Brown have all had top 10/20 hits on CHR within the past 1-2 years. This is exactly what I think many women in country are going to do/be forced to do. Now that the path out of country and/or to pop has been fully carved out by 3 major female artists, I think artists like Kelsea Ballerini/Ingrid Andress types are going to either follow suit or experiment with releasing entirely non-country projects. Kelsea is a good example of an artist that should continue to release country records like STC alongside pop-leaning (or fully pop, if she wants) projects like RUTWM. Meanwhile we have the other female artists taking a sharp left turn to a much more traditional sound (Carly, Lainey, Lauren's newest project), and while I hope for their longterm success I don't know that it'll reach the heights of the streaming giants of Morgan/Luke/Bailey/Kane.
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Post by musicfan134 on Oct 14, 2023 2:36:44 GMT -5
Is this song at least still streaming decently?
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Post by .indulgecountry on Oct 14, 2023 15:58:10 GMT -5
Unrelated to this song, but I just realized the rumored collab with Cody Johnson that everyone had been talking about is evidently not on his forthcoming record.
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Post by abbeyjones11 on Oct 14, 2023 16:08:06 GMT -5
Unrelated to this song, but I just realized the rumored collab with Cody Johnson that everyone had been talking about is evidently not on his forthcoming record. I think that it's on the second album. Remember, Leather is a double album. It would be pretty shocking if ends up not happening, lol. tasteofcountry.com/cody-johnson-double-album-leather/
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Post by abbeyjones11 on Oct 14, 2023 16:08:06 GMT -5
Unrelated to this song, but I just realized the rumored collab with Cody Johnson that everyone had been talking about is evidently not on his forthcoming record. I think that it's on the second album. Remember, Leather is a double album. It would be pretty shocking if ends up not happening, lol. tasteofcountry.com/cody-johnson-double-album-leather/
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Post by .indulgecountry on Oct 15, 2023 20:58:19 GMT -5
Unrelated to this song, but I just realized the rumored collab with Cody Johnson that everyone had been talking about is evidently not on his forthcoming record. I think that it's on the second album. Remember, Leather is a double album. It would be pretty shocking if ends up not happening, lol. tasteofcountry.com/cody-johnson-double-album-leather/It's evidently not all being released in one go around like Human was, so it's a "double" album with an asterisk next to it, lol. Still, I recall many were expecting the Carrie collab was coming sooner rather later, but I do think it'll be better if it's held off until next year atp.
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Post by kluen on Oct 16, 2023 21:04:11 GMT -5
Yeah I kind of feel like things have took a step back for women. There were so much optimism in 2020 with so many new females breaking through. Streaming has finally taken ahold on the country genre and it's kind of ushered in a new wave of misogyny because it's almost exclusively the men benefitting from that. There was some promise a few years ago, but now unless we get women to start moving the needle in a monumental way like Morgan Wallen or Luke Combs are currently, they're gonna keep getting shafted. Even Lainey Wilson is only just starting to get to a level where I can see her regularly climbing the charts speedily thanks to "Watermelon Moonshine," and she's benefited greatly from a lot of collaborations and a strong social media presence. I'm surprised that more female artists like Kelsea Ballerini haven't tried for more crossover success seeing as Morgan Wallen, Luke Combs, Jelly Roll and Kane Brown have all had top 10/20 hits on CHR within the past 1-2 years. I think in general,for country artists to try crossover success,they are somehow shy to do that.Maybe they think it will hurt their brand. Kelsea had at least two tries,the one with chainsmokers and halsey,both did not work out. So I think that's why she did not go further.
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