tekkenguy
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Post by tekkenguy on Jan 10, 2024 22:20:44 GMT -5
How high would airplay-only hits of the ‘90s have gotten on the year-end charts had they been eligible?
On a related note, what songs would have done better on the year-end had their complete radio runs been counted before the release of their commercial singles?
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Post by neel on Jan 10, 2024 22:52:43 GMT -5
Idk, but I do know that 1998’s entire list would’ve been changed (MHWGO would’ve made the Top 10, Iris would’ve easily made the Top 5 and CITW ‘97 definitely wouldn’t repeat inside the Top 10).
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Post by 85la on Jan 13, 2024 12:51:11 GMT -5
How high would airplay-only hits of the ‘90s have gotten on the year-end charts had they been eligible? On a related note, what songs would have done better on the year-end had their complete radio runs been counted before the release of their commercial singles? Many definitely would have appeared on the year-end charts, but not as highly as you might think, and very few probably in the top 10. As for songs whose complete radio runs would be counted before the release of their commercial singles, they also might have ranked a bit higher, but since the radio releases usually only preceded the commercial release by just a few weeks, again it probably wouldn't have changed things much for most songs.
This is a good thread that estimates where various airplay-only songs might have ranked on the weekly charts for 1997/1998: As you can see, no airplay-only songs would've been #1 on the weekly charts, the highest being My Heart Will Go On (before its commercial release) at #2, followed by Iris at #3 and Torn at #5. Even the gigantic Don't Speak would've peaked no higher than #6, and many other major airplay-only hits at the time would've only barely cracked the top 10. |
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Post by 85la on Jan 13, 2024 13:31:51 GMT -5
Idk, but I do know that 1998’s entire list would’ve been changed (MHWGO would’ve made the Top 10, Iris would’ve easily made the Top 5 and CITW ‘97 definitely wouldn’t repeat inside the Top 10).
On the year-end Hot 100 Airplay list for 1998, separate from the Hot 100 or sales, MHWGO only ranked at #8, and Iris was #4, so I'm not so sure those would've ranked in the hypothetical top 10 and top 5, respectively. As such, it doesn't look like more than two airplay-only hits (maybe Iris, and Torn, which was #2 on year-end Airplay) would've ranked in the top 10, and no other songs would have likely jumped into it, so CITW '97 likely would have stayed in the top 10. You have to remember that in the '90s, if sales were really big, especially in the multi-platinum levels of CITW, it counted for much more than the highest airplay numbers and were too difficult to overcome.
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Post by jenglisbe on Jan 14, 2024 8:32:57 GMT -5
How high would airplay-only hits of the ‘90s have gotten on the year-end charts had they been eligible? On a related note, what songs would have done better on the year-end had their complete radio runs been counted before the release of their commercial singles? Many definitely would have appeared on the year-end charts, but not as highly as you might think, and very few probably in the top 10. As for songs whose complete radio runs would be counted before the release of their commercial singles, they also might have ranked a bit higher, but since the radio releases usually only preceded the commercial release by just a few weeks, again it probably wouldn't have changed things much for most songs.
This is a good thread that estimates where various airplay only singles might have ranked on the weekly charts for 1997/1998: As you can see, no airplay-only songs would've been #1 on the weekly charts, the highest being My Heart Will Go On (before its commercial release) at #2, followed by Iris at #3 and Torn at #5. Even the gigantic Don't Speak would've peaked no higher than #6, and many other major airplay-only hits at the time would've only barely cracked the top 10. Right. I don't understand why so many people seem to think these airplay-only songs would have been #1 on the Hot 100, would have been high on the year-end charts, etc. The reality is songs with a bit less airplay but a lot more sales would have been higher, as we see in the link you provided. I also still firmly believe that had airplay-only songs been allowed to chart at the time, then people would just complain that their peaks aren't representative of their popularity. Billboard was in a lose-lose situation, and it's one that wasn't their fault. jdanton2 please read the thread linked as "DS" would not have gotten any weeks at #1 and more so wouldn't have even gone top 5. (Keep in mind "U-BMH" was not that far behind in airplay and even overtook it for a week or two, but it also had sales so no way would "DS" have been #1.) |
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Post by jdanton2 on Jan 14, 2024 9:09:53 GMT -5
Don't Speak by No Doubt was the #1 radio song of 1997. it would have appeared high on the year end chart and might have got a few weeks at #1 against Toni Braxton.
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Post by jdanton2 on Jan 14, 2024 9:23:04 GMT -5
Many definitely would have appeared on the year-end charts, but not as highly as you might think, and very few probably in the top 10. As for songs whose complete radio runs would be counted before the release of their commercial singles, they also might have ranked a bit higher, but since the radio releases usually only preceded the commercial release by just a few weeks, again it probably wouldn't have changed things much for most songs.
This is a good thread that estimates where various airplay only singles might have ranked on the weekly charts for 1997/1998: As you can see, no airplay-only songs would've been #1 on the weekly charts, the highest being My Heart Will Go On (before its commercial release) at #2, followed by Iris at #3 and Torn at #5. Even the gigantic Don't Speak would've peaked no higher than #6, and many other major airplay-only hits at the time would've only barely cracked the top 10. Right. I don't understand why so many people seem to think these airplay-only songs would have been #1 on the Hot 100, would have been high on the year-end charts, etc. The reality is songs with a bit less airplay but a lot more sales would have been higher, as we see in the link you provided. I also still firmly believe that had airplay-only songs been allowed to chart at the time, then people would just complain that their peaks aren't representative of their popularity. Billboard was in a lose-lose situation, and it's one that wasn't their fault. jdanton2 please read the thread linked as "DS" would not have gotten any weeks at #1 and more so wouldn't have even gone top 5. (Keep in mind "U-BMH" was not that far behind in airplay and even overtook it for a week or two, but it also had sales so no way would "DS" have been #1.) if it had been a single maybe less would have bought their album which was a huge seller and the #2 album of the year. i guess we will never know for sure though. |
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Post by avamaxstan on Jan 14, 2024 10:52:06 GMT -5
Whenever I feel frustrated with the current Hot 100 methodology, I remember what an absolute mess the chart was in the mid-late 90s.
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Post by Private Dancer on Jan 18, 2024 1:19:32 GMT -5
Don't Speak by No Doubt was the #1 radio song of 1997. it would have appeared high on the year end chart and might have got a few weeks at #1 against Toni Braxton. Nope, Don't Speak, if airplay was included, didn't wouldn't have surpassed Un-break My Heart at all. For multiple weeks, unbreak my heart was a monster in airplay and sales, at its peak Don't Speak would've done around 9.8k-10k points based of airplay alone which was nowhere near the amount to knock Un-Break My Heart off from the top spot. |
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Post by Private Dancer on Jan 18, 2024 1:56:28 GMT -5
Killing Me Softly would've #29 for 1996 and Don't Speak would've been #8 for 1997. Both of this with if only airplay was included.
I finished half of the 1996 YE chart breakdown 1-50, and currently finishing up 1997.
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Post by urtarreviews on Mar 17, 2024 2:35:58 GMT -5
Killing Me Softly would've #29 for 1996 and Don't Speak would've been #8 for 1997. Both of this with if only airplay was included. I finished half of the 1996 YE chart breakdown 1-50, and currently finishing up 1997. Done any more of this? I for one am interested in it. |
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Post by Private Dancer on Mar 18, 2024 0:02:37 GMT -5
Killing Me Softly would've #29 for 1996 and Don't Speak would've been #8 for 1997. Both of this with if only airplay was included. I finished half of the 1996 YE chart breakdown 1-50, and currently finishing up 1997. Done any more of this? I for one am interested in it. Yes, I will post after 2019 YE breakdown is finished. Or would it be preferred I post the 90s YE end data instead? |
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Mar 18, 2024 1:09:39 GMT -5
on the all-time chart, surely Iris, Don't Speak, Torn, My Heart Will Go On, and maybe even Slide would surely be in the Top 50. Maybe even Top 25.
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