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Post by pubescentmonster on Mar 1, 2006 1:49:11 GMT -5
i mean did they just drop pop/rock/etc songs overnight or what? i remember even in 2001 songs non-urban songs were still doing rather good and then bam everything completely changed and the whole chart became urban, rnb, hip hop and rap. What happened i remember when Genie in a Bottle topped that chart and now it seems so crazy that they completely dropped non-urban songs. Do u think the chart will ever go back to what it was or its too late?
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Post by Chelsea Press 2 on Mar 1, 2006 1:55:19 GMT -5
Radio is too corporatized. I don't see any changes happening in the future.
I'm not thrilled about the direction in which radio has gone. I know some may like it, and that's fine.
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Post by Arson on Mar 1, 2006 2:19:51 GMT -5
I'm not sure about rock on Rhythmic, but there should definitely be more dance songs, and remixes of pop songs. What exactly does CHR/Rhythmic mean anyway?
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Post by MinusName on Mar 1, 2006 9:32:04 GMT -5
I'm not sure about rock on Rhythmic, but there should definitely be more dance songs, and remixes of pop songs. What exactly does CHR/Rhythmic mean anyway? That's what I'd like to know too. From what I see it bascially seems like Rhythmic is almost the same as Urban. I remember back in 2001 when I remember seeing a lot more Pop and Dance songs on the Rhythmic chart, didn't Kylie Minogue and Pink do pretty well there? Rhythmic is just a lame excuse for a chart imo, might as well combine it with Urban, the only thing it is good for is causing the Hot 100 to be all jacked up and making people believe that Rhythmic/Urban rule the majority of the country, but it doesn't. Currently they may have the highest appeal (though I can't figure out why), but that doesn't mean majority.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Mar 1, 2006 14:53:10 GMT -5
I think they should break up radio comglomerates.
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Post by Itz on Mar 1, 2006 16:46:45 GMT -5
There is definetly a difference between Rhythmic and Urban. Look at the mediabase Top 50 on both formats.
Urban consists of a lot of songs that will not do anything on pop radio. Urban is more street.
On the other hand we have Rhythmic. If you look at most of those songs, these songs also do well on pop radio.
There is a difference. Or at least, in my eyes, there definetly is.
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Post by tico on Mar 1, 2006 17:45:48 GMT -5
One pet peeve of mine is when stations call themselves rhythmic, but are really urban stations. They use the rhythmic label to get advertising revenue that they wouldn't get, otherwise, by calling themselves urban.
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Post by JWGucciEnvy on Mar 3, 2006 15:31:40 GMT -5
Rhythmic Top 40 Issue Date: March 3, 2001
Peak Position 1 3 3 9 Ja Rule Featuring Lil' Mo & Vita, Put It On Me Tru Stylze,I.Gotti (J.Atkins,P.Walcott,I.Lorenzo,T.Crocker) IDJMG | Murder Inc./Def Jam 1 2 1 1 14 Shaggy Featuring Rayvon, Angel S.Pizzonia (A.Ertgun,E.Curtis,C.Taylor,S.Miller) MCA | MCA 1 3 4 4 13 Jennifer Lopez, Love Don't Cost A Thing R.Wake (D.Sharpe,G.Lawson,G.Franklin,J.Monroe,A.Harris) Epic | Epic 3 4 2 2 19 K-Ci & JoJo, Crazy Delite (D.Allamby,L.Browder,J.L.Hailey,R.C..Hailey) MCA | MCA 2 5 6 6 6 Joe Featuring Mystikal, Stutter Allstar,T.Riley (R.Hamilton,E.Dixon,T.Hardson,E.Wilcox,R.Robinson,D.Stewart,S.Boone,J.Sebastian,M.Sebastian) Jive | Jive 5 6 5 5 16 OutKast, Ms. Jackson Earthtone III (A.Benjamin,A.Patton,D.Sheats) Arista | LaFace 1 7 7 13 10 Nelly Featuring City Spud, Ride Wit Me J.Epperson (Nelly,J.Epperson,W.DeBarge,E.Jordan,E.Debarge) Universal | Fo' Reel 7 8 9 10 9 Mystikal Featuring Nivea, Danger (Been So Long) The Neptunes (M.Tyler,C.Hugo,P.Williams) Jive | Jive 8 9 15 26 5 Crazy Town, Butterfly J.Abraham,B.Mazur (A.Kiedis,S.Binzer,B.Mazur,Flea,J.Frusciante,C.Smith) Columbia | Columbia 9 10 8 7 24 Ludacris Featuring Shawna, What's Your Fantasy Shondrae (Ludacris) IDJMG | Disturbing Tha Peace/Def Jam South 5 11 10 8 18 Jay-Z, I Just Wanna Love U (Give It 2 Me) P.Williams,C.Hugo (S.Carter,P.Williams,C.Hugo,J.Johnson,C.Wallace,D.Angelettie,S.Combs,K.Walker,T.Shaw,M.Flowers) IDJMG | Roc-A-Fella/Def Jam 5 12 12 11 23 Dream, He Loves U Not D.Frank,S.Kipner (S.Kipner,D.Frank,P.Sheyne) Arista | Bad Boy 9 13 18 19 6 Jagged Edge, Promise J.Dupri,B.M.Cox (J.Dupri,B.Casey,B.Casey,B.Young,B.M.Cox,G.Smith) Columbia | So So Def 13 14 11 14 12 Mya, Free J.Jam,T.Lewis (J.Harris III,T.Lewis,M.Harrison,A.Richbourg,T.Tolbert) Warner Bros./Interscope | Ruffnation 11 15 14 12 25 Destiny's Child, Independent Women Part I Poke & Tone,C.Rooney,B.Knowles (S.J.Barnes,J.C.Olivier,C.Rooney,B.Knowles) Columbia | Columbia 1 16 13 9 22 Shaggy Featuring Ricardo "RikRok" Ducent, It Wasn't Me S.Pizzonia (O.Burrell,R.Ducent,S.Pizzonia,B.Thompson) MCA | MCA 1 17 19 18 5 Monica, Just Another Girl R.Wake,R.Jones (D.Sharpe,L.Robbins,C.Lindberg,J.Svare) Epic | Epic 17 18 16 15 23 3LW, No More (Baby I'ma Do Right) S.Hall (S.K.Hall,N.Butler,C.Giles) Epic | Nine Lives 10 19 22 25 4 Eve, Who's That Girl? Teflon (E.Jeffers,S.Harris) Interscope | Ruff Ryders 19 20 24 29 4 Ludacris, Southern Hospitality The Neptunes (Ludacris,P.Williams) IDJMG | Disturbing Tha Peace/Def Jam South 20 21 20 20 5 Ricky Martin With Christina Aguilera, Nobody Wants To Be Lonely W.Afanasieff (D.Child,V.Shaw,G.Burr) Columbia | Columbia 20 22 17 16 11 Pink, You Make Me Sick Babyface,A.President,B.Dimilo (A.President,B.Dimilo,M.Tabb) Arista | LaFace 16 23 28 35 3 Jon B., Don't Talk Jon B. (Jon B.) Epic | Edmonds 23 24 21 17 24 Nelly, E.I. J.Epperson (Nelly,J.Epperson) Universal | Fo' Reel 2 25 25 21 23 Ja Rule Featuring Christina Milian, Between Me And You Lil' Rob,I.Gotti (J.Atkins,R.Mays,I.Gotti) IDJMG | Murder Inc./Def Jam 3 26 34 39 3 ATC, Around The World (La La La La La) A.Christensen (A.Potekhin,S.Zhukov) Universal | Republic 26 27 23 27 10 Sarina Paris, Look At Us C.Marchino (C.Marnino,R.Parisi) Priority | Playland 23 28 32 36 4 Wyclef Jean, Perfect Gentleman Columbia | Columbia 28 29 26 22 11 Cash Money Millionaires, Project Chick M.Fresh (B.Williams,B.Thomas,D.Carter,T.Grey) Universal | Cash Money 20 30 27 30 6 Modjo, Lady (Hear Me Tonight) Y.Destagnol,R.Tranchart (Y.Destagnol,R.Tranchart,N.Rogers,B.Edwards) MCA | Barclay 27 31 29 23 14 Lil Bow Wow, Bow Wow (That's My Name) J.Dupri,B.M.Cox (J.Dupri,B.M.Cox) Columbia | So So Def 14 32 33 32 5 Daft Punk, One More Time T.Bangalter,G. de Homem-Christo (T.Bangalter,G. de Homem-Christo,A.Moore) Virgin | Virgin 32 33 30 24 21 R. Kelly, I Wish R.Kelly (R.Kelly) Jive | Jive 11 34 - - 10 112, It's Over Now D.Jones (D.Jones,M.Scandrick,M.Keith,Q.Parker,M.Glover,S.Robinson) Arista | Bad Boy 30 35 40 - 2 Backstreet Boys, The Call M.Martin,Rami (M.Martin,Rami) Jive | Jive 35 36 35 33 11 Madonna, Don't Tell Me Madonna,Mirwais (Madonna,M.Ahmadzai,J.Henry) Warner Bros. | Maverick 21 37 - - 1 Olivia, Bizounce J.P.Thompson,D.Conley,Q.Patrick (J.P.Thompson,D.Conley,O.Longott,Q.Patrick,D.Allen,J.Peters) J | J 37 38 31 28 12 Outsiderz 4 Life, Not Enough Virgin | Blackground 24 39 39 38 3 Darude, Sandstorm Strictly Rhythm | Groovilicious 38 40 - - 1 Black Eyed Peas Featuring Macy Gray, Request Line Interscope | Interscope 40 LOOK how different the chart was, and honestly I Thought at the time they were playing too much RAP...god i was wrong
Sandstorm is a techno/dance song with no words...plus there are 4 other DANCE SONGS on this chart....PLUS MADONNA
This chart was from 5 years ago.
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Post by MinusName on Mar 3, 2006 15:50:45 GMT -5
LOL at Backstreet Boys and Dream being on the chart!
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Post by britrocks16 on Mar 3, 2006 15:52:22 GMT -5
It was very different but look at the Top 15, it was still all Urban. I think Rhythmic first became very Urban in late 2000 and has been playing less and less Pop/Dance songs since.
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Post by pubescentmonster on Mar 3, 2006 16:08:40 GMT -5
wow all Darude Sandstorms!!! Rhythmic seriously got fucked up!
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Post by threeonthetree on Mar 3, 2006 20:03:34 GMT -5
I love rhythmic now. Just not too much urban but I am loving it anyways.
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Post by Myeahhh. on Mar 3, 2006 21:25:10 GMT -5
1. D4L "Laffy Taffy" 2. D4L "Betcha Can't...
JUST KIDDING!!!
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Post by Myeahhh. on Mar 3, 2006 21:29:24 GMT -5
i didn't mean to post that there. sorry
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Post by pubescentmonster on Mar 4, 2006 23:17:20 GMT -5
wtf at them having ONE MORE TIME in 2001 that song was from 1998-1999 wasnt it. I luv the video by the way i think i remember MTV playing it
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Post by JWGucciEnvy on Mar 4, 2006 23:35:04 GMT -5
One More Time was hit during that time...it was there second album... The song around 97/98... was Around The World....by the same group.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Mar 5, 2006 15:33:27 GMT -5
There is definetly a difference between Rhythmic and Urban. Look at the mediabase Top 50 on both formats. Urban consists of a lot of songs that will not do anything on pop radio. Urban is more street. On the other hand we have Rhythmic. If you look at most of those songs, these songs also do well on pop radio. There is a difference. Or at least, in my eyes, there definetly is. I disagree. I think Rhythmic is more street. Urban plays stuff that appeals to the urban audience as a whole rather than just the street. Urban plays gospel and other other music that Rhythmic wouldn't even touch. I've noticed urban likes to appeal to a slightly older crowd than rhythmic stations do.
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Post by Pink Champagne Ricochet on Mar 5, 2006 17:15:03 GMT -5
Yeah, rhythmic likes to play club bangers all the time, while urban is also open to slow r&b tracks. Rhythmic will also play Hispanic artists like Frankie J and Baby Bash that urban doesn't.
However, most of the time they sound way too alike...I honestly think they should be merged into one super format. It's like the rhythmic-leaning CHRs and the Hot AC leaning CHRs...they're all still on the Pop panel, and often those stations have far more variation in their playlists than the average rhythmic and urban.
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Post by bubblepop15 on Mar 5, 2006 17:26:35 GMT -5
The Beat 101.7 plays a good mix. It has rap and R&B, and then plays Pink, Kelly, Cascada, Gwen and, well they used to play "Hung Up."
It's mainly hip-hop so I am assuming it is a CHR/RHY station that plays some pop.
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Post by Itz on Mar 6, 2006 20:46:30 GMT -5
There is definetly a difference between Rhythmic and Urban. Look at the mediabase Top 50 on both formats. Urban consists of a lot of songs that will not do anything on pop radio. Urban is more street. On the other hand we have Rhythmic. If you look at most of those songs, these songs also do well on pop radio. There is a difference. Or at least, in my eyes, there definetly is. I disagree. I think Rhythmic is more street. Urban plays stuff that appeals to the urban audience as a whole rather than just the street. Urban plays gospel and other other music that Rhythmic wouldn't even touch. I've noticed urban likes to appeal to a slightly older crowd than rhythmic stations do. Yeah. I see where you are coming from. But all the gospel stuff I would classify as Urban AC, which is way different than urban, and then urban would still be more street for me. Like, Faith Evans is an artist people on the street know about. If I went to some suburbia they would all be like "WTF is that?". Yeah, I'm weird. Just tellin y'all how I feel.
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Post by Pulse on Aug 28, 2006 2:26:19 GMT -5
BUMP!
We seem to have gotten some non urban songs played on Rhythmic this year (meaning being able to chart on the Top 40 of the Billboard chart) with Crash, SOS, Unfaithful, Hips Don't Lie, SexyBack, and Crazy.
I think Rihanna, Gwen, and Justin got "free passes" because they previously had strong rhythmic singles. (Although Cool was still ignored)
(Although some might argue they have an urban influence, but they're not urban enough imo a la other pop/urban songs like Buttons or About Us)
What are the Rhythmic stations that play non urban songs on a regular basis? I can only think of three right now. WKTU (which oddly counts for Dance Radio and Rhythmic) is more like a dance station and I think its a little too dance heavy. WBBM plays a lot of urban, but also a lot of non urban...even Panic At The Disco, both Cascada singles, and even the new Nick Lachey song! And Harrisburg (forgot the call number) is like WBBM too.
Its kind of ironic that 2 of the Top 3 Rhythmic stations in the country play non urban music, but other rhythmic stations dont follow suite (whereas The Top 3 on Pop have more influence on lowe pop stations)
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Post by COW COW COW COW COW COW COW on Aug 28, 2006 8:50:52 GMT -5
I disagree. I think Rhythmic is more street. Urban plays stuff that appeals to the urban audience as a whole rather than just the street. Urban plays gospel and other other music that Rhythmic wouldn't even touch. I've noticed urban likes to appeal to a slightly older crowd than rhythmic stations do. Yeah. I see where you are coming from. But all the gospel stuff I would classify as Urban AC, which is way different than urban, and then urban would still be more street for me. Like, Faith Evans is an artist people on the street know about. If I went to some suburbia they would all be like "WTF is that?". Yeah, I'm weird. Just tellin y'all how I feel. I don't get what you two are talking about...You're ignoring the topic and point of this. That's not Rhythmic music, that's what corporate-controlled rhythmic is today, which isn't really rhythmic. Rhythmic used to be dance music too, and a mix of everything. It has nothing to do with a certain kind of Urban and R&B music. Why are you posting in this forum if you know nothing?
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Post by Minor Scratch on Aug 28, 2006 17:14:55 GMT -5
I think the only main difference between Urban and Rhythmic stations now is Urban leans more towards an African-American hip-hop market, while Rhythmic caters to crowd that is hip-hop for non-African Americans.
Taking a look at the cities on both panels demographically, all Urban stations are situated in the East and South, with the exceptions being LA and Omaha. All the Rhythmic stations are mostly large East Coast markets and hispanic-leaning West Coast markets. The playlists lean way more demographically within hiphop music, as the Urban playlists are more African-American artists, while Rhythmic incorporates more Hispanic and Caucasian Pop artists, as well as picking up the largest Urban crossover hits. Since Hispanics and Whites certainly outnumber the African-Americans within most of the Rhythmic markets, the music is chosen demographically.
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Post by jaxxalude on Aug 28, 2006 17:47:30 GMT -5
This is obviously way more complex than this, but there are certainly two major factors to be considered here: - Urban is the mainstream pop music of this decade, and is showing no signs of backing down just yet.
- The discophobia which infiltrated mainstream America in general after the ugly Disco backlash of the late 70s.
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Post by skaterboyccs on Aug 28, 2006 19:22:49 GMT -5
Rhythmic top 4..
2 1 CHINGY Pullin' Me Back 5961 5793 168 61.652 1 2 CASSIE Me & U 5633 6054 -421 57.824 5 3 NE-YO Sexy Love 5065 5080 -15 44.914 6 4 YOUNG DRO Shoulder Lean f/TI 4952 4884 68 53.827
Urban top 4
1 1 CHINGY Pullin' Me Back 4376 4417 -41 51.707 3 2 YUNG JOC I Know You See It 4040 3795 245 39.313 2 3 YOUNG DRO Shoulder Lean f/TI 3864 4144 -280 40.440 4 4 NE-YO Sexy Love 3562 3508 54 41.534
I think that radio sucks... remember the time when rhythmic played britney, christina aguilera, madonna, boy bands, and another pop acts that were not urban and the album sales were higher than now...
today an artist have to sing urban or hiphop beated songs to have success... rhythmic radio always plays the same urban artists and groups that sells crap.. with some exceptions like nelly furtado, justin, gwen etc... but the rest is more urban
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Post by spooky21 on Aug 28, 2006 19:37:57 GMT -5
The radio formats became all mushed up because popular music became all mushed up. The tide began turning in the mid 90's when artists and songs start incorporating more hip hop and urban elements and working with urban producers for a more decidedly urban sound. At the height of the teen pop craze, you saw artists like Britney, NSYNC and many others jockeying on people like The Neptunes and other urban producers for a harder sound. It eventually reached a point when urban/hip pop was where the money was to be made for record companies and radio. It simply became the biggest music formats for those and other reasons.
Radio was and is largely reflecting the direction many of the major artists decided to follow.
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Post by Pulse on Aug 28, 2006 19:59:08 GMT -5
Christina and Nysnc were the only teen pop acts that changed to urban full time though.
Britney didnt really except for a few songsand the BSB didnt at all, and neither did Jessica, O-Town, Mandy Moore, or Nick/98 Degrees at all.
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Post by EvanJ on Aug 29, 2006 21:31:58 GMT -5
And Harrisburg (forgot the call number) is like WBBM too. WWKL 92.1.
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Post by Gorminako on Aug 30, 2006 4:41:06 GMT -5
It's true that rhythmic used to include a lot more dance and Latin rhythm songs. I mean look at its name, "rhythmic". Yet now, just about any rap song will get on whether or not has any detectable rhythm.
What happened in 2001 is that Bush got elected, and radio stations became controlled by a few powerful monopolies, generally conservative, playing monotonous, similar sounding songs in whatever genre it might be, and avoiding creativity or variety.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Aug 30, 2006 23:19:29 GMT -5
LeToya hit #1 at Urban, Avant hit #3 at Urban....... There are alot of songs that Urban will play that Rhythmic will not play. With these songs the Urban airplay was in the Top 5 and Rhythmic failed to pick them up.
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