John77
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Post by John77 on Aug 7, 2006 2:15:15 GMT -5
I'm waiting for someone to list me the lasting influence or the important trends Counting Crows or matchbox twenty spawned. ;) Who the heck cares if something spawned trends??? That's not the point of this thread... the ONLY people that care about that stuff are critics, and as we all know, they are pretty much all clueless... Since you brought it up though, how many bands out these days though are Matchbox 20 knockoffs or derivitaive of??? There are a bunch of them... I won't even bother listing them as the list is MILES long.
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Post by John77 on Aug 7, 2006 2:20:09 GMT -5
and surprise surprise... not even a single Mariah CD in there??? Only the top selling artist of the decade Since when did sales = importance? Hootie & The Blowfish's Cracked Rear View may have sold gazillions, but tell me: was it really important? Did it spwan any important trend? Did it leave a lasting influence? No, no and no. Sales have ALWAYS equalled importance... the only one's that don't think so are the myopic critics who only can see a little itty bitty piece of the big picture... Actually, Hootie did make a lot of other bands of that genre popular... paved the way for a lot of that kind of music... Blessid Union of Souls and Sister Hazel just off the top of my head for example... "Cracked Rear View" sold a lot of albums for one reason... it was a musical masterpiece... If it's not in your collection, it should be. There's so much good stuff that came out in the 90's... no mention of other great stuff like Live's "Throwing Copper" or any of Collective Soul's work... critics really don't have a clue for the most part...
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Post by John77 on Aug 7, 2006 2:22:29 GMT -5
... and surprise surprise... not even a single Mariah CD in there??? Only the top selling artist of the decade... no Shania either... hmmmm I'm not surprised in the least bit. Unless you're Madonna, pop/r&b divas don't really get that much critical acclaim. Which is why most critics lists usually mean ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! They all have some SEVERE myopia!!!
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Post by friday on Aug 7, 2006 2:43:36 GMT -5
Radiohead is the most overrated band of the past 30 years. That's a fact. No actual it's just an opinion but so is yours. Rob Thomas is a legend in the making. Exactly... Radiohead has ONE good song in my opinion... just one... Rob Thomas on the other hand knows how to make music... he's actually talented... So what you seem to be saying is that the only way music can be deemed significant is if it's intended for wide mainstream appeal. But that simply isn't true. Then Jimi Hendrix's music wouldn't be significant. The Beatles' post-1966 work isn't significant. I believe Radiohead is an acquired taste. It's not necessarily you like them or you don't, but I think it's just a unique blend of electronic and rock music that nobody else was doing at the time of OK Computer. And that's the true measure of significance: what they were doing in relation to everyone else, and what was its impact. (And just a guess, is that one Radiohead song you're talking about "Creep"?) I'm not denouncing appealing to the mainstream. I mean, sure, you sell 11 million records, that's saying something. But I agree that sales do not accurately reflect talent. It's more (but not always) a result of effective marketing and single strategy. jaxxalude nailed it with Cracked Rear View, a top-selling album that, while popular at the time, really didn't leave anything lasting to remain relevant to this day. Besides, I think some people here act a little too much like these lists are definitive and set in stone, and that's OK, but it's still just another opinion. The only difference is that it's published for mass consumption with the residual effect of stoking debate and getting people to ponder whether any of the choices were right or wrong. Doesn't really make it any more or less credible when you think about it. Personally with regard to this list, I thought it did OK, more or less. I'm not surprised in the least bit. Unless you're Madonna, pop/r&b divas don't really get that much critical acclaim. Which is why most critics lists usually mean ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! They all have some SEVERE myopia!!! Everyone's a critic. A critic is merely someone who has an opinion about a piece of work and wishes to share it with an audience. These people just happen to get their opinions published in the media. That also means they have to listen to thousands of CDs a year and write 500 words about it. The reason why media critics are given such lofty weight is because the idea is if they've listened to all these albums for all these years, then yeah, they must know something about what they're writing about. Personally, I wouldn't give them any more weight than I would anyone else who I don't really know. I mean, you say Rob Thomas' new album is one of the best of all-time, and I'll come back with "Well, the singles are alright, but they don't really make me want to get the album." And then we agree to disagree, but I'm not going to nuclear war over it with you, and I'd hope vice versa. No reason anyone in Entertainment Weekly should be treated any different, I suppose.
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Post by Mic Technique on Aug 7, 2006 13:00:12 GMT -5
4. Pearl Jam - Ten <---It would Top 5 on my list as well 7. Public Enemy - It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back 12. Smashing Pumpkins - Siamese Dream 14. Alanis Morrisette - Jagged Little Pill 16. Red Hot Chili Peppers - Blood Sugar Sex Magick 24. Lauryn Hill - The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill 28. Soundgarden - Superunknown 29. Snoop Doggy Dogg -- Doggystyle 31. Missy Elliott - Supa Dupa Fly 40. The Chemical Brothers - Surrender 46. Sublime - Sublime 49. TLC - CrazySexyCool
A few other okay albums are on the list, IMO. It's a shame that female artists are never given enough respect. I can understand why artists like Whitney Houston & Celine Dion didn't make the list seeing as they almost nothing to do with the process of putting their works together and it's not like they're material was that different (even though I respect both). What about women who took control of their music and just did something different, such as Mariah Carey (Butterfly, Emotions), Madonna (Bedtime Stories, Ray Of Light), etc. I personally feel like they belong up there with the rest.
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Post by Chromeozone on Aug 7, 2006 20:34:52 GMT -5
I'm waiting for someone to list me the lasting influence or the important trends Counting Crows or matchbox twenty spawned. ;) Wow, that's quite a tone for someone trying to pass off his/her personal opinion as fact via arrogant pseudo-intellectual bullying to adopt.
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Post by Filthy Pop on Aug 7, 2006 20:59:58 GMT -5
So I'm biased, but I do think "Come On Over" should have made this list somewhere, especially being the top selling album of the 1990s and since the 90s. It should be in the top 5 at the very least... Oh yeah I almost forgot about it, definitely should it's a great album.
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