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Post by ted11804 on Oct 13, 2003 21:19:51 GMT -5
What are the recurrent rules for each format? Are they different? I'm looking for chr/pop, chr/rhythmic, triple a, rock, active rock, alternative, hot ac, ac, urban, urban ac, and country. The only one I am aware of is the 20weeks/below#20 rule for chr/pop.
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Post by irice22 on Oct 13, 2003 22:14:38 GMT -5
I believe for AC and Hot AC it is 20 weeks/below 15
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Post by Cerebro on Oct 13, 2003 23:20:07 GMT -5
I believe the country chart removes songs after 3 consecutive bulletless weeks.
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Post by JCMF3 on Oct 14, 2003 0:15:10 GMT -5
I believe the country chart removes songs after 3 consecutive bulletless weeks. ... and downward motion I believe. Because a song can stay at #1 for more than 3 weeks without a bullet and still be on the chart. For R&R, songs will go recurrent when they meet the following conditions: CHR/POP, CHR/RHY, Urban, Alternative, Active Rock, & Rock chart: 21+ weeks on the chart & below #20 AC, Hot AC, AAA, Smooth Jazz, & Urban AC: 21+ weeks on the chart & below #15 AC only: 51+ weeks & below #5 is an additional rule Country: 3 consecutive weeks without a bullet and below #1 Christian charts: There appears to be a recurrent rule, but it is a mystery... I am not sure about the recurrent rules for the Latin charts |
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Post by Libra on Oct 14, 2003 9:31:50 GMT -5
Doesn't AC have another rule in addition to 20/15? I believe there is one relating to going below #10.
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Post by JCMF3 on Oct 14, 2003 9:56:07 GMT -5
Doesn't AC have another rule in addition to 20/15? I believe there is one relating to going below #10. Thanks Mike, I forgot about that one. I edited my post above with this new rule. |
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Post by Hervard on Oct 14, 2003 10:44:18 GMT -5
AC, Hot AC, AAA, Smooth Jazz, & Urban AC: 21+ weeks on the chart & below #15 AC only: 51+ weeks & below #10 is an additional rule That's 50 weeks, though it would probably be 51 if there was only one week skipped during the holidays instead of two. |
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Post by JCMF3 on Oct 14, 2003 12:15:05 GMT -5
That's 50 weeks, though it would probably be 51 if there was only one week skipped during the holidays instead of two. I thought it was 50/10, meaning a song in its 50th week below #10 can stay on, but the next week it will be removed. Similar to the 20/20 rule - the 20th week is the last week... |
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Post by Hervard on Oct 14, 2003 14:08:43 GMT -5
Yes. I was just correcting you, since you said 51 weeks when it's actually 50.
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Post by Matt4319 on Oct 14, 2003 14:41:12 GMT -5
Yes. I was just correcting you, since you said 51 weeks when it's actually 50. When he said "51+", (I assume) he meant "51 or more" weeks, not "more than 51" weeks. |
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Post by ted11804 on Oct 14, 2003 17:51:40 GMT -5
I think all the formats with the 20/20 rule should be 25/25 rule, but more realistically a 20 week/#25 rule. Below #20 is just too early.
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Post by JCMF3 on Oct 14, 2003 22:45:26 GMT -5
I think all the formats with the 20/20 rule should be 25/25 rule, but more realistically a 20 week/#25 rule. Below #20 is just too early. Why is that too early? Songs are still staying on those charts for 20-30 weeks... Of course, if it was up to me, there would be no recurrent rules, but that is just my opinion. |
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Post by JCMF3 on Oct 14, 2003 22:46:01 GMT -5
When he said "51+", (I assume) he meant "51 or more" weeks, not "more than 51" weeks. That's exactly what I mean by the "+" symbol. |
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Post by j on Oct 15, 2003 16:30:34 GMT -5
I think all the formats with the 20/20 rule should be 25/25 rule, but more realistically a 20 week/#25 rule. Below #20 is just too early. Quite a number of songs typically start to slow down their spin losses or stabilize in spin totals around the 2700-3200 spins region, so if the cutoff is #25, you would probably see chart histories going more like 13-16-19-21-21-23-22-25-off rather than 14-17-20-off. Not much point I think. |
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Post by BillboardBoy on Mar 23, 2006 10:30:23 GMT -5
I believe the country chart removes songs after 3 consecutive bulletless weeks. I noticed that Carrie Underwood was a recent victim of that. They should at least wait for the song to fall out of the Top 10 before they remove it. |
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Post by JCMF3 on Mar 23, 2006 10:41:06 GMT -5
I updated my post above to reflect the change in the AC rule and the apparent appearance of a recurrent rule on the Christian charts.
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Post by Diablo Cody™ on Mar 23, 2006 13:51:34 GMT -5
I believe the country chart removes songs after 3 consecutive bulletless weeks. I noticed that Carrie Underwood was a recent victim of that. They should at least wait for the song to fall out of the Top 10 before they remove it. SERIOUSLY. I looked at the country chart awhile ago and Carrie was at #1. I looked today and couldn't find her anywhere. And was shocked when I saw her sitting in the recurrent section. Uhm, ew. |
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Post by Diablo Cody™ on Mar 23, 2006 13:52:27 GMT -5
I believe the country chart removes songs after 3 consecutive bulletless weeks. Now I know why all of the songs have bullets. |
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Post by Hervard on Mar 23, 2006 16:47:35 GMT -5
Christian charts: There appears to be a recurrent rule, but it is a mystery... What are you talking about? The recurrent rule for the Christian charts is the same as Hot AC, AAA, Smooth Jazz, and Urban AC; 21+ weeks on and below number 15. It's been that way ever since they adopted a recurrent rule back in May, 2004. That was when the AC chart started slowing down significantly. Back in 2001, when it first started out, it moved a lot faster than it does now. I wonder if they'll soon add a 50/10 rule, since a few songs like "Holy Is The Lord" by Chris Tomlin tend to stick around for months in the 11-15 zone. Probably not, since not that many songs do this. "Holy Is The Lord" and Tomlin's other hit "Indescribable" are the most recent examples. |
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Post by JCMF3 on Mar 23, 2006 16:58:39 GMT -5
What are you talking about? The recurrent rule for the Christian charts is the same as Hot AC, AAA, Smooth Jazz, and Urban AC; 21+ weeks on and below number 15. It's been that way ever since they adopted a recurrent rule back in May, 2004. That was when the AC chart started slowing down significantly. Back in 2001, when it first started out, it moved a lot faster than it does now. That rule is not written in the R&R magazine (as of the 12/9/05 issue at least). And that rule is not applied all the time. There are songs that fall out from like #12, yet still have spins to be at #13 or so. I don't understand it whatsoever. (I mainly look at the Christian CHR and Rock charts, so maybe the AC chart does have this rule...). |
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Post by lyrichord on Mar 23, 2006 17:15:10 GMT -5
Can someone explain what makes a song "gold" as opposed to recurrent?
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Post by Libra on Mar 23, 2006 19:17:40 GMT -5
Can someone explain what makes a song "gold" as opposed to recurrent? Mediabase's Discretion - i.e. whenever Mediabase feels like transferring a song from recurrent status to gold status. Officially, that's how it is. Unofficially...I'd say the song has to be a few years old, maybe at least 3. |
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Post by BillboardBoy on Mar 24, 2006 9:58:43 GMT -5
I noticed that Carrie Underwood was a recent victim of that. They should at least wait for the song to fall out of the Top 10 before they remove it. SERIOUSLY. I looked at the country chart awhile ago and Carrie was at #1. I looked today and couldn't find her anywhere. And was shocked when I saw her sitting in the recurrent section. Uhm, ew. I wonder if they explain all this on Bob Kingsley's new countdown show, considering that he uses Mediabase. |
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Post by Hervard on Mar 24, 2006 16:11:16 GMT -5
That rule is not written in the R&R magazine (as of the 12/9/05 issue at least). And that rule is not applied all the time. There are songs that fall out from like #12, yet still have spins to be at #13 or so. I don't understand it whatsoever. (I mainly look at the Christian CHR and Rock charts, so maybe the AC chart does have this rule...). Actually, the Christian AC chart is the one I was talking about. I thought that the other charts had the rule, too, but maybe they don't. I'll have to check on that. |
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Post by John77 on Mar 24, 2006 22:49:36 GMT -5
Can someone explain what makes a song "gold" as opposed to recurrent? Mediabase's Discretion - i.e. whenever Mediabase feels like transferring a song from recurrent status to gold status. Officially, that's how it is. Unofficially...I'd say the song has to be a few years old, maybe at least 3. Yeah, it's usually 3-4 years... one of these days I might try to figure it out. ;) Rarely does a song go to GOLD outside of it's normal parameters but it does occasionally happen... |
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Post by John77 on Mar 24, 2006 22:54:09 GMT -5
I believe the country chart removes songs after 3 consecutive bulletless weeks. I noticed that Carrie Underwood was a recent victim of that. They should at least wait for the song to fall out of the Top 10 before they remove it. Yeah, even as of last week, she still would have been in the top 10... even as I write this she'd still be probably around #11 on the chart as she's #11 in both spins and AI (though we don't know what her points would be and the resultant position - safe to say 11 or 12 though)... Thankfully, recurrent spins count in the year-end R&R charts, so this gives "Jesus" at least a shot at being the #1 song of the year on the Country chart. A lot will depend on how quickly it falls down the recurrent chart and how the other big hits by Keith Urban, Rascal Flatts, Kenny Chesney, etc., do once they go recurrent... |
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Post by Marv on Mar 25, 2006 23:26:58 GMT -5
R&Rs recurrent rule for their country chart states that if a song is down in points for THREE consecutive weeks and below #1, it will be moved to recurrent the following week.
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