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Post by FriendsFan on Jan 9, 2004 20:35:34 GMT -5
... could we all, the people in the conversation or those who just feel like replying, have one final say in the topic first. Like, you know, warn us to "say our final words," and then you can lock the topic all you want. Say give us an hour or two before you warn us.
I'm pretty annoyed topics are locked prematurely, just because it doesn't abide the rules. Everything doesn't have to go perfectly here.
And finally.... I agree with The Max 100%.
....have a feeling this topic will be locked, how ironic.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2004 20:44:28 GMT -5
When rules are made, they're final. I know that if I was not a moderator and I was allowed to vote on certain things, I'd vote for things that would benefit me. However those things can cause problems. So when administration discusses something and makes a rule, that's it. There's no discussion. It's not like administration doesn't have a forum where we talk things out before putting rules into effect.
I know you guys think I'm pulling rules out of my ass, but that's not the case. I think if you guys knew a little bit more about what goes on behind the scenes, you'd understand. I realize you may not like these rules, but they are in your best interest. This board isn't even privately owned. We've had multiple cases of pornography postings this week, and if ProBoards saw any of it, the board would be pulled immediately. So basically, the administration, as much as you would like it, does not want this to become a free for all.
Finally, as I said, there is a great number of adults who come here not to participate in all these arguments and board problems. They come to discuss the charts, which is the main reasons for these boards. I've been hearing how nobody complains that people are acting immature. That's because those people that come here for mature discussion can't even post outside the chart forums because it's all nonsense.
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Post by FriendsFan on Jan 9, 2004 20:49:54 GMT -5
I don't think you're getting my point.
I'm saying, once a topic starts to get out of hand, warn us. We'll say our peace, then close it. That's all.
Not talking about posing porn, not talking about ProBoards owning this board, taking about just warning us before closing the topic.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2004 20:51:44 GMT -5
I wasn't answering specifically to you. The thing is, topics are closed so that they DON'T get out of hand. When people start with the personal attacks, telling them to have their last word is like saying, "Get all your anger and attacks out now." I don't understand how that would be good in any way.
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Post by FriendsFan on Jan 9, 2004 21:00:11 GMT -5
One reason why I like the R&R board; the users are created equal.
By the way, will you lock this topic?
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Post by Edf85 on Jan 9, 2004 21:01:32 GMT -5
ay carumba
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Post by af18c on Jan 9, 2004 21:03:08 GMT -5
By the way, will you lock this topic? Yes please do so. PM it to the Mods or Admins. Its so puzzling why one would confront a problem with what created it. In this case, its threads...
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Post by EvanJ on Jan 9, 2004 21:26:32 GMT -5
We've had multiple cases of pornography postings this week, and if ProBoards saw any of it, the board would be pulled immediately. Would ProBoards like the picture you posted of Mariah on the beach?
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jan 9, 2004 21:29:38 GMT -5
And finally.... I agree with The Max 100%. Thanks, but about what?
And what does Canadian songs/charts in format forums have to do with ProBoards shutting down the boards?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2004 21:44:11 GMT -5
Would ProBoards like the picture you posted of Mariah on the beach? There's an obvious difference between a tasteful nude photo with breasts and vagina covered and a photo of a naked woman with her legs open or a full frontal nude photo of a board member.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2004 21:46:24 GMT -5
Thanks, but about what?
And what does Canadian songs/charts in format forums have to do with ProBoards shutting down the boards? How are you making such a big deal out of this? This is an American music board. Radio & Records was an American music board. There is no difference. There is a seperate forum for non-American charts. Considering this board is centered around American music, it should be a priveledge to even have your own forum for it. What I said about shutting down the boards is that some people think we should have absolutely no administration here and if that were the case, these boards would be gone already.
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Post by af18c on Jan 9, 2004 21:50:09 GMT -5
If people dont like what these boards are actually meant for, and the intentions of the moderators and the administrator...simply follow prophectors footsteps [not necessarily the reasons]
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2004 21:54:17 GMT -5
If people dont like what these boards are actually meant for, and the intentions of the moderators and the administrator...simply follow prophectors footsteps [not necessarily the reasons] Exactly. I think some people do not have experience with fanboards or any other message boards out there. Those are the most childish message boards out there and they wouldn't listen to all this drama. The fact that we have actually listened to and answered questions for some of you is more than most administrators at message boards would be willing do to for you. ...and since the atmosphere of this message board is professional, with most of those boards, one little outburst, and you'd be gone. You people have it better than you think. I think this board is full of people thinking they can all get what they want. We can't make everyone happy. We can only do what's best for the boards.
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Post by jond7699 on Jan 9, 2004 21:59:37 GMT -5
If people dont like what these boards are actually meant for, and the intentions of the moderators and the administrator...simply follow prophectors footsteps [not necessarily the reasons] I agree. Sure things get heated every once in a while and I can not say I have had problems in the past. But overall I really don't care this is a music board to which I come to , to discuss music etc. I also agree with what Josh said about the rules being for the better. We would not want to have to find another board. Everyone who posts here (repeatedly) nows how things work
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jan 9, 2004 22:04:56 GMT -5
But I don't just understand why allowing Canadian topics on the rest of the board is such a bad thing? How would it hurt? Why does this have to be an R&R board only? Why not make it a radio charts board like the way it was before (at least I thought it was). If you can explain that to me and can convince me, then I'll never ask again.
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Post by jond7699 on Jan 9, 2004 22:12:44 GMT -5
But I don't just understand why allowing Canadian topics on the rest of the board is such a bad thing? How would it hurt? Why does this have to be an R&R board only? Why not make it a radio charts board like the way it was before (at least I thought it was). If you can explain that to me and can convince me, then I'll never ask again. I have a question Why does it matter so much ? It probably wouldn't hurt anything but there is a specific forum for those topics just like I wouldn't post a Mariah Carey topic in the Country forum. Just makes it cleaner and easier to find
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2004 22:14:20 GMT -5
But I don't just understand why allowing Canadian topics on the rest of the board is such a bad thing? How would it hurt? Why does this have to be an R&R board only? Why not make it a radio charts board like the way it was before (at least I thought it was). If you can explain that to me and can convince me, then I'll never ask again. We could change this back to a North American forum where North American charts can be posted in Music News, PROVIDED that you don't go posting Canadian only releases in format forums. The majority of the people here view this as US board and when they see "Will Young- Whatever Single" in CHR/Pop, they start throwing out CHR/Pop predictions and talk about how it's going to flop here... without even knowing that it's not being released here. It just makes it less confusing. Also provided that you take that thing out of your signature and stop protesting against everything.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2004 22:15:23 GMT -5
I have a question Why does it matter so much ? It probably wouldn't hurt anything but there is a specific forum for those topics just like I wouldn't post a Mariah Carey topic in the Country forum. Just makes it cleaner and easier to find Yeah, exactly. I guess I could give a little bit of leeway as far as Music News goes, but the format forums are specifically for the US.
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Post by Rob64 on Jan 9, 2004 22:19:16 GMT -5
I just wanna see that picture of Mariah Carey. LOL! link?
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Post by Edf85 on Jan 9, 2004 22:19:30 GMT -5
:)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2004 22:19:49 GMT -5
I just wanna see that picture of Mariah Carey. LOL! link? LOL Where do you think it would be posted Rob?
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Post by Rob64 on Jan 9, 2004 22:26:29 GMT -5
just found it ;)
All that was needed was a gust of wind to move her hair outta the way >:(
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Post by j on Jan 9, 2004 23:07:57 GMT -5
I think topics could be left open a lot longer as long as no name-calling and personal insults are brought in.
If you keep locking topics too early, then people build up resentment at not being able to finish saying what they want to say, which is what's happening here.
Just my 2 cents.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2004 8:20:07 GMT -5
I think topics could be left open a lot longer as long as no name-calling and personal insults are brought in. If you keep locking topics too early, then people build up resentment at not being able to finish saying what they want to say, which is what's happening here. Just my 2 cents. In 99% of the cases, that's what I do. As soon as two people start arguing and calling eachother names, it's only going to escalate. I'm getting the idea, that when administration makes a rule, and I lock it immediately, that's what you're complaining about. The reason that's done is because it's already been discussed between administration and viewed as being better for the board, and it's not really up for further discussion.
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Post by Rob64 on Jan 10, 2004 12:22:54 GMT -5
and it's not really up for further discussion. *shudder*
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Post by irice22 on Jan 10, 2004 12:26:00 GMT -5
If you really wan to make it fair, I say when I moderator thinks a topic is getting out of hand the moderator can make no comment either. All he can say "This topic will be locked," that way the moderator will not always have the last word. That's what some people seem to have a problem with. I don't remember any moderator locking the topic with saying the last word, but apparantly it has happened and that's what seems to frustrate people.
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Post by j on Jan 10, 2004 15:23:21 GMT -5
In 99% of the cases, that's what I do. As soon as two people start arguing and calling eachother names, it's only going to escalate. I'm getting the idea, that when administration makes a rule, and I lock it immediately, that's what you're complaining about. 1. I wasn't the one complaining. I simply offered my opinion as to why some other people are annoyed. 2. From my point of view, that 99% figure is a bit of a stretch? 3. If only one side is doing the name-calling, then I think a topic shouldn't be closed and only that person should be warned. Because if it is, then someone who wants the topic closed will simply start making personal insults just to get the it closed. Other people may still have valid things to say.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2004 15:33:04 GMT -5
3. If only one side is doing the name-calling, then I think a topic shouldn't be closed and only that person should be warned. Because if it is, then someone who wants the topic closed will simply start making personal insults just to get the it closed. Other people may still have valid things to say. Our original rule was that if there was an argument like that within a topic, we would just delete it. Then people complained that if they wanted to say something, they wanted to do it without us deleting their posts. People just want it all ways.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jan 10, 2004 15:50:45 GMT -5
Well, personally, there was no reason for the "Hector" topic to be closed if it was open for as long as it was. According to the original rules, it should have been locked right away because people were asking why he was banned or whatever, like my topic asking why Rob was banned. And then it was closed after almost four pages. You closed it because you didn't want people to discuss the rules anymore and then you had to have the last word and then you closed my reply topic to it because you didn't want to have to answer my questions. You didn't give an explanation as to why either topic was closed. You said:
I didn't know it was closed for a reason. I just thought you did it because you were bored? I dunno. I still don't know.
How about this? Why not make a Forum for Canadian songs, news, charts, etc? I'm sure there would be enough discussion for all this stuff to generate it's own forum and it would keep it out of the format topics and whatnot but not flood the Global Charts topic. Before Canadian stuff got moved officially to Global Charts, there was a nice amount of discussion and stuff but now there are only a few replies in the airplay chart topic. And if anything, it would shut The Max (me) up.
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Post by Leafstorm on Jan 10, 2004 16:02:29 GMT -5
How about this? Why not make a Forum for Canadian songs, news, charts, etc? I'm sure there would be enough discussion for all this stuff to generate it's own forum and it would keep it out of the format topics and whatnot but not flood the Global Charts topic. Before Canadian stuff got moved officially to Global Charts, there was a nice amount of discussion and stuff but now there are only a few replies in the airplay chart topic. And if anything, it would shut The Max (me) up. That's actually a good idea, Mike. After all, more artists are coming out from Canada; and we have a good population of Canadians who come to this board. Maybe we should give this a try.
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