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Post by HellonUrth on Mar 3, 2007 2:29:13 GMT -5
I haven't a clue....the last I had seen it was at #34. It is clear there is not label support. Pfffft!
Lots of speculation about the types of songs which will be a part of the summer tour.
My thinking is that perhaps half the concert will be more laid back with the symphony and then after intermission, Clay will sing some new material with his regular bandmates and backup singers. *shrugs* Any thoughts? That is my thinking also. At least one person who spoke with a DJ last week was told that according to their playlist, Clay's ATD had a "Hold" next to it, which means that the PTB do not want it played. This would be a directive from on high that affects all of the stations simultaneously. No wonder it didn't get played anywhere but small independent stations.
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Post by doodlebug on Mar 3, 2007 2:56:47 GMT -5
Yeah, that label support is just so great. Shame that not all artists get it -- only some. Even though the bigger sellers, like Clay has been for over 3 years, are making the money the label uses for support of others. Such a fair business practice. Run Clay Run
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Post by giovannina on Mar 3, 2007 11:18:52 GMT -5
Someone asked upthread about ATD and its chart position: Thanks, Pouty. Is there any way to find out ATD's chart position on Billboard? Donna Reynolds lists all the Idol-related chart stats weekly in her "Idol Chartwatch" column on Foxes On Idol. At least she tries to. In recent weeks she has had ATDW's Billboard AC Chart position listed, but it was absent in this last week's column, so I wondered if it was an inadvertent omission or if it had dropped out of the AC top 40.
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Post by HellonUrth on Mar 3, 2007 11:34:17 GMT -5
Looking good!
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Post by giovannina on Mar 3, 2007 11:53:56 GMT -5
I haven't a clue....the last I had seen it was at #34. It is clear there is not label support. Pfffft!
Lots of speculation about the types of songs which will be a part of the summer tour.
My thinking is that perhaps half the concert will be more laid back with the symphony and then after intermission, Clay will sing some new material with his regular bandmates and backup singers. *shrugs* Any thoughts? That is my thinking also. At least one person who spoke with a DJ last week was told that according to their playlist, Clay's ATD had a "Hold" next to it, which means that the PTB do not want it played. This would be a directive from on high that affects all of the stations simultaneously. No wonder it didn't get played anywhere but small independent stations. Hmmm. I wonder if that's a "Hold" from the PD, from CHQ (Clear Channel?), or (at least indirectly) from RCA? And if it's either CC or RCA trying to curb ATD's airplay, is the invisible hand of TPTB at Idol a player in that scenario? (The connections, both above board and behind-the-scenes, among these corporate behemoths can be strong and powerful, and 19E right now seems to have other Idol alumni they want to promote. Plus, if Clay is leaving RCA -- and trying to further sever ties with AI --, I imagine that would affect RCA's backing for airplay for his songs.)
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Post by Jade Cobalt on Mar 3, 2007 11:56:08 GMT -5
Yeah, that label support is just so great. Shame that not all artists get it -- only some. Even though the bigger sellers, like Clay has been for over 3 years, are making the money the label uses for support of others. Such a fair business practice. Run Clay Run Over the past few years I've learned to hate this particular label along with their associates and the games they play.
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Post by shandrim on Mar 3, 2007 12:02:03 GMT -5
Someone asked upthread about ATD and its chart position: Thanks, Pouty. Is there any way to find out ATD's chart position on Billboard? Donna Reynolds lists all the Idol-related chart stats weekly in her "Idol Chartwatch" column on Foxes On Idol. At least she tries to. In recent weeks she has had ATDW's Billboard AC Chart position listed, but it was absent in this last week's column, so I wondered if it was an inadvertent omission or if it had dropped out of the AC top 40. The Billboard AC chart only lists the top 30 songs, not the top 40. ATD fell off the top 30.
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Post by giovannina on Mar 3, 2007 12:02:47 GMT -5
I haven't a clue....the last I had seen it was at #34. It is clear there is not label support. Pfffft!
Lots of speculation about the types of songs which will be a part of the summer tour.
My thinking is that perhaps half the concert will be more laid back with the symphony and then after intermission, Clay will sing some new material with his regular bandmates and backup singers. *shrugs* Any thoughts? That is my thinking also. Or maybe it will be more like 'JNT3' -- with the orchestras doing the first half on their own and Clay joining them for the second half only. Would the full orchestra want to come out to perform for only an hour and then go home? Would their union contracts require them to be paid for the full night even if they did? Either way, Clay's take of the gate is less if the box office has to be split with a whole orchestra. Of course if his bandmates don't tour with him, he doesn't have to pay for their travel, lodging, etc., so maybe he comes out ahead. But it would be great if at least Angela and Quiana could be with him, and maybe Andy Abad too. Anyway, I hope some of the songs he does are with simpler instrumental backup and with a more country or soft rock sound.
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Post by giovannina on Mar 3, 2007 12:04:45 GMT -5
Thanks, Pouty. Is there any way to find out ATD's chart position on Billboard? Donna Reynolds lists all the Idol-related chart stats weekly in her "Idol Chartwatch" column on Foxes On Idol. At least she tries to. In recent weeks she has had ATDW's Billboard AC Chart position listed, but it was absent in this last week's column, so I wondered if it was an inadvertent omission or if it had dropped out of the AC top 40. The Billboard AC chart only lists the top 30 songs, not the top 40. ATD fell off the top 30. Actually, I thought we peons (non-subscribers) got to see only the top 20. But Donna has listed ATD's BB AC chart position in previous weeks when it was between #30 and #40.
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Post by vafan49 on Mar 3, 2007 13:10:35 GMT -5
I think the tour will be similar to the one this past Christmas, with the addition of Angela, Quiana, and Andy Abad. Some of the songs really benefit from a good guitarist.
I was over at RCA's newly configured site, and Clay is listed as an artist but I couldn't find ATDW listed with the released albums.
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Post by HellonUrth on Mar 3, 2007 13:26:24 GMT -5
More things that make you go hmmm.... Why would RCA list every other CD but Clay's?
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Post by shandrim on Mar 3, 2007 13:39:10 GMT -5
The Billboard AC chart only lists the top 30 songs, not the top 40. ATD fell off the top 30. Actually, I thought we peons (non-subscribers) got to see only the top 20. But Donna has listed ATD's BB AC chart position in previous weeks when it was between #30 and #40. No, those were Mediabase positions. BB AC only charts up to top 30 now. In the past they had gone up to 40, which is how so many of the MCWL charted on AC the year the album was released, but now it's only 30.
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Post by Jade Cobalt on Mar 3, 2007 13:58:40 GMT -5
I think the tour will be similar to the one this past Christmas, with the addition of Angela, Quiana, and Andy Abad. Some of the songs really benefit from a good guitarist. I was over at RCA's newly configured site, and Clay is listed as an artist but I couldn't find ATDW listed with the released albums. I was just there but didn't notice that. Can't say I'm surprised.
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Post by giovannina on Mar 3, 2007 14:54:08 GMT -5
RCA does have Clay's ATD video listed and pictured as one of the six on their main page. You can watch the vid by clicking the icon. However, this is probably the lamest and least exciting of Clay's music videos. Not only is it just Clay and the band, but they have him flailing his arms around with a giddy grin on his face- which is NOT the way I've seen him do in live performances of ATD on Kimmel and other shows. It's not really a very good 'foot' to put forward, and it's obviously something RCA threw together just to satisfy a contractual obligation.
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Post by giovannina on Mar 3, 2007 14:59:05 GMT -5
Shandrim, are you saying Billboard doesn't even track the AC airplay beyond #30 -- even for subscribers? I find that odd, since the Country charts obviously go up to at least #40. (D Reynolds reports that a Kellie P song was #47 on the BB Country chart this last week.)
Of course, AC kind of gets no respect from Billboard, anyway. I'm always reading about Ruben's or Fantasia's albums being on the RB/Hip-hop BB albums charts, Chris's being on the BB rock albums chart, or Carrie's on the Country chart, but it appears there's no separate Billboard Adult Contemporary Albums chart. I wonder how Clay's albums would have done on subcharts like that if Billboard had them for AC as well.
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Post by GiggaWho on Mar 3, 2007 15:20:28 GMT -5
Due to continuing problems with AI fan wars in the following threads (Carrie, Kelly, Clay) we're instituting a special rule in these threads. Should the fan war spread to other threads, they will be included as well.
Here's how it goes, get a warning for trolling or personal attacks in the Carrie, Kelly or Clay thread and in addition to your warning you will receive a one week time out from all AI threads. Meaning you are not allowed to post in any of the album threads, single threads, the new season thread in the lounge, opinion threads and polls relating to AI, etc. You are also not allowed to circumvent this rule by posting about AI or its contestants in a more general thread like the Hot 100 thread or the Billboard 200 thread.
We cannot set your account to physically prevent you from posting in these threads during the time out, so it's up to you to follow your time out. If you fail to do so, you will receive a warning for every AI post made during your time out. Since this is an AI-specific time out, you may continue to post on the rest of the board.
The only exception to this rule is if it's your very first warning. Then we'll give you a pass. If you already have at least one warning on your record (regardless of where and why you got it), the AI time out rule applies to you.
When you receive a warning, the one week AI time out will be noted in the pm. Its up to you to check your pm's and follow them appropriately. While we will have a smidge of leeway, your time out starts from the time you receive your pm. If you have questions about this rule please pm one of us instead of discussing it on thread and further derailing the discussion. Thanks.
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Post by poutylips on Mar 3, 2007 15:45:39 GMT -5
At least on the phone, one of the venues said that Clay would have some of his main band members with him on tour. I am expecting a keyboardist, a guitarist (hopefully Andy), and possibly a drummer. I, for one, would love both Angie and Quiana to be there but since the symphonies are involved I am not sure how that is going to work.
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Post by filomena123 on Mar 3, 2007 15:49:49 GMT -5
Shandrim, are you saying Billboard doesn't even track the AC airplay beyond #30 -- even for subscribers? I find that odd, since the Country charts obviously go up to at least #40. (D Reynolds reports that a Kellie P song was #47 on the BB Country chart this last week.) I'm not Shandrim, but there's a Billboard Artist Index which lists positions for a particular artist on all of the Billboard charts. Clay is not on it, which means he's not charting anywhere. :'(
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Post by giovannina on Mar 3, 2007 16:01:01 GMT -5
Well, obviously, at the moment, if Billboard doesn't track AC beyond #30 (even though Mediabase has ATD in its AC top 40) and ATDW is below #200 on the album sales chart. (But, again, as far as I know, Billboard does not maintain a separate album sales chart for Adult Contemporary the way they do for Country, RB/Hip-Hop, Christian, Rock, and some others.)
My question is why AC seems to get short shrift from Billboard.
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Post by poutylips on Mar 3, 2007 16:07:49 GMT -5
Maybe because there are so few new songs which AC stations have in rotation.
Our local music director says they only have 10 new songs in rotation at any given time.
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Post by poutylips on Mar 3, 2007 16:09:32 GMT -5
Thanks, but upthread we had the Mediabase update.
That's wierd...I was responding to a post above mine and now it is gone. *cue Twilght Zone music*
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Post by giovannina on Mar 3, 2007 17:16:10 GMT -5
Maybe because there are so few new songs which AC stations have in rotation. Our local music director says they only have 10 new songs in rotation at any given time. If that's the case, how can there be a chart of the top 30? And if that top 30 includes songs that are not "new," I'd think the chart should be a lot bigger, because AC has a lot of "recurrents" in rotation. But surely there are a lot more than 30 songs getting spun on AC stations in any given week that are not "recurrents," since AC tends to play a lot of pop (Top 40), country crossover, rock (pop rock and soft rock), and even folk, jazz, Christian, etc., songs. If anything, AC seems to be a much broader "genre" than any of the others.
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Post by doodlebug on Mar 3, 2007 17:18:25 GMT -5
Thanks, but upthread we had the Mediabase update. That's wierd...I was responding to a post above mine and now it is gone. *cue Twilght Zone music* Oooh, is that something Clay could sing???
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Post by poutylips on Mar 3, 2007 22:19:29 GMT -5
When I said 10 songs I meant only at the local AC station. Other AC stations might have a greater number of new songs in their rotation.
On the edge of my seat waiting for more concerts to be announced. Is it too much to ask that the whole tour lineup be put up at once.....probably. *g*
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Post by giovannina on Mar 3, 2007 22:33:24 GMT -5
Pouty, maybe not all the concert appearances have been finalized yet, and they're each being announced as that happens.
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Post by Rumors on Mar 4, 2007 10:41:17 GMT -5
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Post by shandrim on Mar 4, 2007 13:27:13 GMT -5
Well, obviously, at the moment, if Billboard doesn't track AC beyond #30 (even though Mediabase has ATD in its AC top 40) and ATDW is below #200 on the album sales chart. (But, again, as far as I know, Billboard does not maintain a separate album sales chart for Adult Contemporary the way they do for Country, RB/Hip-Hop, Christian, Rock, and some others.) My question is why AC seems to get short shrift from Billboard. Mediabase does have ATD in its AC top 40, but Billboard does NOT use Mediabase for its charts. Billboard instead uses Radio and Records to track spins.
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Post by giovannina on Mar 4, 2007 16:38:29 GMT -5
I'm curious about the reported "hold" that some stations may have been given to prevent them from spinning ATD. If the report is true, who's pulling those strings? And why?
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Post by shandrim on Mar 5, 2007 7:53:17 GMT -5
I'm curious about the reported "hold" that some stations may have been given to prevent them from spinning ATD. If the report is true, who's pulling those strings? And why? Nobody is pulling strings and it's not a conspiracy. It's not that anyone is trying to stop the song from being played - it's simply nobody from the label is trying to get the song played. Basically the song is in the station's system because they received it. It probably has a "hold" next to it because it hasn't been officially added to the station's playlist. The "hold" will continue until the station has a reason to add the song to it's playlist, either because the song is popular and rising quickly up the charts, because it's a Clay-friendly station who has played Clay a lot and has gotten good callback from prior Clay songs, or because the label promotes the song to the station and offers them incentives to play it. The stations that are Clay-friendly have already added the song, but I don't expect any more to do so without that label support. Since there have been no signs of label support and without that a song can't rise up the charts, I don't expect that "hold" to go away. "A Thousands Days" is already starting to lose spins, and will likely continue to do so.
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Post by giovannina on Mar 5, 2007 14:06:41 GMT -5
Shandrim, I never said anything about a conspiracy. That's a very loaded term and ambiguously used. (Even in cases like Clear Channel and The Dixie Chicks, I don't use the term "conspiracy" because of its cloak-and-dagger connotations. But artists have been blackballed before, and labels do withdraw support from artists sometimes, including trying to prevent sales or airplay of some songs.) I was just wondering if there was a "hold" on airplay for ATD at more than a couple stations and, if so, whose decision it was and why.
Maybe I misunderstood the earlier post, but I was under the impression that a DJ had told a fan to stop playing ATD (after they had already added it to their playlist). If your impression is right, and it's just on "hold" at new stations pending label support, it probably doesn't mean much except that RCA is not actively pushing for radio.
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