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Post by desertflower on Jul 20, 2007 23:40:38 GMT -5
America did not fall in love with Kelly....they liked her during AI. But it is my understanding that she really didn't beat Justin by all that much. Wrong again dessertflower. Kelly won by 16% over Justin. Kelly 58% Justin 42%..... That's not very much.....considering the competition. imo Now if she had beat Tamyra by that much, that would be saying something. She didn't seem like she had a lot of fans at the IT Concerts I went to......she became super popular with Breakaway...and rightfully so.
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Post by Berry on Jul 20, 2007 23:49:38 GMT -5
Heres a blog from a radio station about Kelly surprise performance: Kelly Clarkson has a surprise performance at Country Jam! Luc Anthony here. So, I'm at Country Jam, watching Reba McEntire's performance, when one of the biggest surprises in the history of Country Jam happens: Kelly Clarkson takes the stage. Yes, THE Kelly Clarkson. You may know she recorded a new version of "Because Of You" as a duet with Reba McEntire, and she's also signed with Reba's management company. But still, this was a complete shock, especially to the crowd. When Kelly walked on stage during "Because Of You," the crowd didn't really start to scream until the video screens showed a close-up of Kelly...then, I think everyone realized what was happening. People started screaming and waving their hands in the air; when the song was over, I heard the longest ovation I've every heard mid-song during a Jam performance. They did a few more duets, all Reba songs, including "Why Haven't I Heard From You," and Kelly Clarkson sure put a lot of passion into her singing. blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=188856159&blogID=289807113
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Post by pce2b on Jul 21, 2007 0:00:10 GMT -5
Kelly looks good!
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Post by G-Reg on Jul 21, 2007 0:01:27 GMT -5
Very cool. Thanks for posting sixofclubs! Nice to see kelly getting a good response from the country world.
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Post by pyrates on Jul 21, 2007 0:21:50 GMT -5
Kelly sounded amazing with Reba! BOY, pretty as always, and Reba really goes for it. And one of the reasons that I like the duet is that we get to hear Kelly sing the backing vocals in the bridge, so pretty.
IMO, Kelly and Reba's version of "Does He Love You" rivals the original as one the best versions of that duet. Both Reba and Kelly sing the hell out of that song when they perform together, and that "gain". Awesome.
And I love Kelly's "Why Haven't I Heard From You". I think this was one of the best versions I've heard her sing, the end was just mindblowingly awesome. And phooey on people who say Kelly ruined her voice. Whatever.
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Post by Focus on Jul 21, 2007 7:10:45 GMT -5
Thanks sixofclubs for the blog and the pictures and the youtubes! Kelly sounded fantastic! No problem with her voice whatsoever. Reba sounded pretty damned good too. They are so great together!
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Post by rvd on Jul 21, 2007 8:18:23 GMT -5
Hmm.. I'm starting to suspect Kelly might go country in her next album. I hope not.
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Post by ashley14 on Jul 21, 2007 8:41:01 GMT -5
Hmm.. I'm starting to suspect Kelly might go country in her next album. I hope not. i dont think clive will let her. she can say she wants to do it but that doesnt mean its happening. anyways im so happy kelly hasnt completley fallen off the top 10 for the WW charts. I hope she sells a million soon.
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Post by Jeff on Jul 21, 2007 8:49:57 GMT -5
Are you kidding with the money Clive is making off of Carrie? He would probably doube that 10 mil he was going to give her to go country.
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Post by GroovyGirl on Jul 21, 2007 9:26:33 GMT -5
One Minute and Hole would make brilliant singles. I hope they are the 3rd and 4th singles, respectively. One Minute would be hot, Hole I think not. If she were to release any of the 'rockier' songs between Hole or Haunted I think Haunted would be a better choice. Don't get me wrong, I love Hole ALOT, but I don't think other people will. Like how (on the last board?) during the first few pages when Hole leaked alot of people kept posting it at the bottom of their favorite list. And I only remember like two or three people putting it in their top 3. I'm sorry, I totally disagree with your analogy. Just because 10 or 15 people on this board voted Hole as their non-favorite, doesn't mean tons of people don't love it. I think Hole would make a brilliant single. It has a very catchy and fun beat.
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Post by sbp17 on Jul 21, 2007 9:43:51 GMT -5
Thanks sixofclubs for the blog and the pictures and the youtubes! Kelly sounded fantastic! No problem with her voice whatsoever. Reba sounded pretty damned good too. They are so great together! Yeah, thanks. It was great. I could hear Kelly sing WHIHFY all day long. As someone who listens to country on a regular basis, there's quite a difference between recording a country album and recording a country/blues/folk album. While the latter could receive critical acclaim if the material is right, it's much more difficult to market to country radio.
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Post by JayBoozer on Jul 21, 2007 9:56:33 GMT -5
Are you kidding with the money Clive is making off of Carrie? He would probably doube that 10 mil he was going to give her to go country. Yeah... I mean if Clive sees how successful Kelly is with Reba, he might actually let her.
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Post by currentoptions on Jul 21, 2007 10:40:11 GMT -5
Are you kidding with the money Clive is making off of Carrie? He would probably doube that 10 mil he was going to give her to go country. Yeah... I mean if Clive sees how successful Kelly is with Reba, he might actually let her. Yeah but then she would be competing with Carrie Underwood. Underwood is the current darling of country music.
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Post by Bluesy on Jul 21, 2007 12:31:03 GMT -5
Wrong again dessertflower. Kelly won by 16% over Justin. Kelly 58% Justin 42%..... That's not very much.....considering the competition. imo Now if she had beat Tamyra by that much, that would be saying something. She didn't seem like she had a lot of fans at the IT Concerts I went to......she became super popular with Breakaway...and rightfully so. Desertflower, in elective politics a 58% to 42% result would be considered a landslide for the winning candidate. Just saying...
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Post by desertflower on Jul 21, 2007 13:01:25 GMT -5
That's not very much.....considering the competition. imo Now if she had beat Tamyra by that much, that would be saying something. She didn't seem like she had a lot of fans at the IT Concerts I went to......she became super popular with Breakaway...and rightfully so. Desertflower, in elective politics a 58% to 42% result would be considered a landslide for the winning candidate. Just saying... Well it kind of depends on the competition, don't ya think? Been meaning to thank Focus for her rendition of my name.. Dessertflower...Thanks or noticing I'm sweet...which I am. Boy Kelly looks like crap in those Country Thunder Photos....ahh it's probably just the lighting. Although Reba looks good, but then she always does.
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Post by Focus on Jul 21, 2007 13:30:47 GMT -5
Why are you putting Justin down dessert? First you say she wasn't very popular because she didn't beat him by very much. You were proven wrong so now you're saying she beat him because he wasn't that great. He was EXTREMELY popular, but America just happened to love Kelly more, by a landslide. eta: I think Kelly looks cute as pie in those pictures. Reba is always beautiful. Both women have the sweetest smiles.
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Post by cg on Jul 21, 2007 13:37:22 GMT -5
Whats funny is that Reba is such a tiny little thing. But next to Kelly she looks LARGE. LOL
Kelly looks just OK in those pics. But then I don't need my singers to be body beautiful or gorgeous. They just need to sing pretty.
I just wish that SOBER did not leave me feeling so dreary - sigh. The only thing that I like about that song is Kelly's voice. But it is good to see it creeping up the charts. Hopefully others will like the song more than I do.
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Post by rvd on Jul 21, 2007 13:43:09 GMT -5
Carrie would have to compete with Kelly if she goes country. That can't be good, I wonder what Kelly will do next.
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Post by desertflower on Jul 21, 2007 13:44:58 GMT -5
Nothing against Justin...I never watched the first season. I just look at the success he had post show...and I saw him singing on TV a few times..never impressed me much.
But whatever...doesn't matter now anyway.
I just wished Kelly has stayed with Dr Luke and David Moody...now they knew how to help Kelly put out a killer album. jmo I wish they had released Addicted as a Single...I love that song. I think it would have been a hit for Kelly.
I think it would be more the other way around. Carrie is a Superstar in Country Music....if Kelly switched she would be chasing after Carrie's Coattails so to speak.
But I don't think Kelly is gonna go Country. I think she will have to put out an album that Clive wants this time.
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Post by Focus on Jul 21, 2007 13:58:57 GMT -5
EXACTLY! I loved "Addicted" too. If only, eh. I think it would have been a hit as well. I also think "Addicted" and "Hear Me" would have fit perfectly on My December. They are my two favorites from Breakaway and suit the tone of My December.
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Post by Bluesy on Jul 21, 2007 14:12:04 GMT -5
Desertflower, in elective politics a 58% to 42% result would be considered a landslide for the winning candidate. Just saying... Well it kind of depends on the competition, don't ya think? Nope. A percentage of something is what it is. When it's about something the general public votes on, or buys, or expresses an opinion about, a 16% spread is a landslide due to the size of the total votes/purchases/poll respondents, etc. In other words, a 16% spread out of 100 is no big deal, but a 16% spread among millions is a very big deal.
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Post by Berry on Jul 21, 2007 14:13:49 GMT -5
i hope NOT, if Kelly did that she will look like the biggest sell out ever. With all the fight Kelly put in to get this album out then she gives in on the next one, she would lose all the cred she has earned over the last few years. JMO but if theres 2 albums left on her contract i think that she will put out the country/many genre album shes been talking about and then maybe a acoustic greatest hits album. I think that after that she will leave RCA and maybe go on a country or an independent label. JMO of course.
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Post by Bluesy on Jul 21, 2007 14:37:51 GMT -5
I just wished Kelly has stayed with Dr Luke and David Moody...now they knew how to help Kelly put out a killer album. jmo I wish they had released Addicted as a Single...I love that song. I think it would have been a hit for Kelly. I love 'Addicted' too. Probably my second favorite off that album after 'Because of You', although there's only one song on BA that I don't like. What I wish Kelly had done for MD was to do her own music, but not totally reject all advice and help from professional songwriters to polish the music and lyrics. Kelly is a talented songwriter, but I don't think she's quite developed enough to go it alone, and I think MD reflects that. Before Kelly can put out another album, she's got a lot of fence-mending (and some growing up) to do. What I hope most from her relationship with Reba and her husband is they help Kelly realize that. No one can go it totally alone in this world. You know...companies like RCA are not just the big shots at the top. They are also all the working stiffs who do accounting, payroll, information systems, administration, human resources, and all the other jobs that keep such a company going. They are also the folks at the bottom who do the cleaning, work the factory jobs that press and package the CD's, ship the product, etc. When a singer signs a contract with a record company, responsibilities and obligations go along with the privileges that come with being a recording artist. A contract is a TWO-WAY relationship, it isn't all about what a singer wants. Contrary to the prevailing view among her most devoted fans, Kelly was not screwed by RCA for this album. It's highly unlikely that her contract, which she signed after winning AI, gives her total creative freedom. Yet that's what she demanded for MD, and that's ultimately what RCA gave her. They balked, but ultimately put out the album she wanted, as she wanted it. If it fails, you know who gets hurt the most? Not Kelly. Not Clive Davis. The folks who get hurt the most are all the faceless working stiffs at RCA whose income depends on the company's success.
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Post by pce2b on Jul 21, 2007 14:38:13 GMT -5
The Blender magazine editor said he thought there would be some compromise in the future - that Kelly would work with writers next time, but likely not the same ones. They'll still be "hit-makers" though and she'll say something that she has always wanted to work with them - and it will be a win-win. Whether that means country hit makers, pop hit-makers or Will.I.Am (who she has said she wanted to work with) - its up in the air. I tend to find that believable because I can't see Kelly just shrugging her shoulders and working with Dr.Luke and Max again(ruins credibility), but I can't see Clive and Co. letting her put out another album of her own again, at least not after MD - especially if its supposed to be country/blues/folk - it doesnt exactly scream commercial smash.
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Post by SILENCE on Jul 21, 2007 14:42:03 GMT -5
I think Kelly will do what Kelly wants to do regardless of what Clive wants at this point. She's said many times that she's in a position that she doesn't have to do anything for money and it seems to me that a label can't FORCE an artist to record music they don't want to record.
I could totally see Kelly buying out her contract if need be and going to another label or better yet getting a lawyer who could find a loophole and get her released.
Kelly looks adorable in those Country fest pictures! I love how natural she is...she doesn't have to wear tons of make-up to make an appearance in public. It's so refreshing to be a fan of someone so obviously comfortable in their own skin! I'm sick of the fake girls who are straving themselves and wear make-up that looks like it was put on with a putty knife! SHe was there to have fun with her friend and boy did she ever have fun! and the crowd LOVED her!!
I think if and when Kelly goes the country route she'll be welcomed with open arms by the fans and by country radio!
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you admit that you didn't watch season 1 and you can only go on post show performance and yet you say that beating Tamyra would've been a bigger accomplishment? Tamyra, whose album didn't even sell as much as Justin's, Tamyra who went on tour with the AI3 groups for publicity and still didn't get a hit?, Tamyra, who completely butchered somewhere over the rainbow on season 3 of AI? excuse me while I sit down from all the spinning that's making me dizzy... ;)
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Post by cg on Jul 21, 2007 14:45:51 GMT -5
Nothing says that RCA will allow her to put out a Country CD if they don't think that they can make a profit. If they don't think that it will work - they will just put out NOTHING for a few years. Then she will either cave, or the music landscape will have changed enough that RCA thinks that a country CD put out by a Pop singer might actually sell.
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Post by pce2b on Jul 21, 2007 14:47:29 GMT -5
music4w - that is the best post of a contrary viewpoint to mine that I have seen - my only slight suggested correction is that the lack of success of My December was not 100% Kelly's fault. She is not totally responsible for all of the faceless stiffs not getting as much of a return on RCA's success. She was not some crying baby until she got her way, then the music sucked and it did badly. She was admittedly stubborn - but then Clive and co. began an unprofessional campaign that snowballed into the media and public thinking MD would be the worst album in history. Kelly didnt do much to help her plight by calling Clive 80 - but the damage enflicted on all parties involved was no single party's fault. If Kelly needs to grow up, maybe RCA should have actually acted like the mature one and backed the album up 100%. There have been SOOO many worse albums that have come out from RCA without this much negative press - RCA's credibility wouldnt have been hurt in the slightest to release it and come out in full force saying it was awesome.
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Post by ashley14 on Jul 21, 2007 14:58:03 GMT -5
Nothing against Justin...I never watched the first season. I just look at the success he had post show...and I saw him singing on TV a few times..never impressed me much. But whatever...doesn't matter now anyway. I just wished Kelly has stayed with Dr Luke and David Moody...now they knew how to help Kelly put out a killer album. jmo I wish they had released Addicted as a Single...I love that song. I think it would have been a hit for Kelly. I think it would be more the other way around. Carrie is a Superstar in Country Music....if Kelly switched she would be chasing after Carrie's Coattails so to speak. But I don't think Kelly is gonna go Country. I think she will have to put out an album that Clive wants this time. dont u mean ben moody? kelly and him are still friends. not best friends but they actually had written a song for this album and it was supposed to be a duet but it never happened. and I LOVE addicted. IMO its the best song on Breakaway behind BOY.
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Post by cg on Jul 21, 2007 15:00:15 GMT -5
What is with this "unprofessional campaign" that keeps being mentioned?
Clive has said NOTHING to the media negative about MD. He did make some remarks in a NON-PUBLIC forum that got leaked. He did just "not mention" Kelly directly on AI. Only Kelly was making statements to the media about the contention between her and Clive. That is where most of the negative press came from. Blaming RCA or Clive for that is silly.
RCA put as much monetary resources into promoting this CD as they believed would be re-cooped in sales. To spend more money promoting a CD and not get sufficient return on investment, would be detrimental to the stockholders of RCA, not to mention irresponsible asset management.
The same thing will be true on her next CD. It has to be a profitable project - or RCA will just not participate. RCA is a business - not an artistic sponsor.
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Post by Focus on Jul 21, 2007 15:05:58 GMT -5
Why were the press asking Kelly about Clive and RCA hating the album? The press brought it up to Kelly, not the other way around. How did they find out that Clive hated the album? I'll tell you. Because Clive mocked her album at a HUGE Sony/BMG seminar and his behavior was leaked at the Velvet Rope messageboard, by people in attendance. Then Perez picked up on it, and so on and so on. Then the press got wind of what happened at the seminar. That had nothing to do with Kelly and everything to do with Clive. That's where the unprofessional talk comes from. imo.
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