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Post by TimeFlies on Apr 25, 2008 23:08:15 GMT -5
Here's another part of DFTRM from yesterday. It's still not the full thing. It's the end. She tried really hard to finish but just couldn't. There's a dadgummit in there too. youtube.com/watch?v=jkjkByeg8BEHow was she supposed to get it under control with the crowd cheering for her like that. It's what got her teared up to begin with. :) For those interested in the little things, she's number one (for now) on People's hot list with this story. I'm assuming it's the combo of the InStyle article info and now this that put her there. The fact that they are just now reporting about her getting choked up just shows how famous she's become. DFTRM has been choking her up for two years now, and it's just now in the news. www.people.com/people/static/h/package/top25celebrityhotlist/index.html?cid=redirect-top25/yeah i've seen her choked up a few times doing the song...its funny how things she does regularly in concert (like this and the opening for tmbim) are getting put in the mags now.... the daily 10 on E! even had a piece on it today
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Post by jptexas on Apr 25, 2008 23:28:10 GMT -5
^^^The thought of being inducted into the Opry probably added some more emotion to the already emotional Carrie. She'll be fine.
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Post by fischbone on Apr 26, 2008 0:23:22 GMT -5
Yes I'm sure Carrie was just "in the moment" and will be fine. I've seen her get emotional on DFTRM as well...I get the same way once and awhile....
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Post by tsharky on Apr 26, 2008 8:37:14 GMT -5
^ did E! Daily 10 spin it properly? they have been very kind to carrie actually- they seemed to take her side during the chace breakup, etc- and the romo bunk. I think ryan seacrest working there has had a positive effect on how carrie is treated...he loves carrie and likely defends her to them.
Is there any news from the atlanta show last night? I was just curious if anyone noticed if they were filming any of carrie's set-- or at least- the duet with keith? -- and-- of course- I was curious if tom petty was there. lol I will head to monkeyville to do some sleuthing. :)
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Post by TimeFlies on Apr 26, 2008 10:33:13 GMT -5
^ did E! Daily 10 spin it properly? they have been very kind to carrie actually- they seemed to take her side during the chace breakup, etc- and the romo bunk. I think ryan seacrest working there has had a positive effect on how carrie is treated...he loves carrie and likely defends her to them. Is there any news from the atlanta show last night? I was just curious if anyone noticed if they were filming any of carrie's set-- or at least- the duet with keith? -- and-- of course- I was curious if tom petty was there. lol I will head to monkeyville to do some sleuthing. :) yeah the daily 10 basically just repeated the People article verbatim...no real commentary other than "i hope someone got that girl some tissues"
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Post by John77 on Apr 26, 2008 12:53:11 GMT -5
Is there any news from the atlanta show last night? I was just curious if anyone noticed if they were filming any of carrie's set-- or at least- the duet with keith? -- and-- of course- I was curious if tom petty was there. lol I will head to monkeyville to do some sleuthing. :) For those not in the know, Monkeyville aka: Keith Urban's site... good luck sleuthing, tsharky!!!
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Post by TimeFlies on Apr 26, 2008 13:21:51 GMT -5
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Post by jptexas on Apr 26, 2008 13:38:47 GMT -5
If Carrie's teary episode is being mentioned on People, imagine the "Live" induction into the Opry on May 10th. Start handing out the tissues boys, it's gonna be a cryathon. Half of the huge "weeping" sound will be coming out of CF. lol
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Post by Grandpa1 on Apr 26, 2008 14:04:41 GMT -5
Here's another part of DFTRM from yesterday. It's still not the full thing. It's the end. She tried really hard to finish but just couldn't. There's a dadgummit in there too. youtube.com/watch?v=jkjkByeg8BEHow was she supposed to get it under control with the crowd cheering for her like that. It's what got her teared up to begin with. :) For those interested in the little things, she's number one (for now) on People's hot list with this story. I'm assuming it's the combo of the InStyle article info and now this that put her there. The fact that they are just now reporting about her getting choked up just shows how famous she's become. DFTRM has been choking her up for two years now, and it's just now in the news. www.people.com/people/static/h/package/top25celebrityhotlist/index.html?cid=redirect-top25/yeah i've seen her choked up a few times doing the song...its funny how things she does regularly in concert (like this and the opening for tmbim) are getting put in the mags now.... the daily 10 on E! even had a piece on it today I love the fact that Carrie’s emotions are so close to the surface and remember the times on AI when it was all she could do to suppress the tears when the judges were ripping her performance apart. Twice in particular: In the Top 20 week, after singing “Piece Of My Heart” (when they all criticized her for singing a Janis Joplin song – while encouraging her [in essence] that she needed to stick with country songs). Carrie’s eyes were showing pain as Ryan came to the rescue then, and the next night reminded them Faith Hill went #1 on the Country Charts with that song. In the Top 4 week, after singing “If You Don’t Know Me By Now” (when they all criticized her performance and Simon slammed the Band on the arrangement). It took all Carrie’s strength to hold off the tears until she got off the stage. She came out at the end of that show holding the Kleenex and her eyes were red from crying. Later, that performance was the 3rd most popular song on the largest free download site (of all her Idol Performances). Every time I have seen Carrie in concert she came near tears when either announcing or singing “Don’t Forget To Remember Me” and during other moments of tender memories. I really like the close-ups of Carrie, where I can look at her eyes at such instants, because there is a special type of kindness expressed in them – then (from my perspective). These instances let us see Carrie as a “real person” or friend and help us relate to her more closely. For my Family and I, Carrie is a very special kind of “Family Member” and our admiration goes beyond just being the Fan of a super wonderful Artist.
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Post by tsharky on Apr 26, 2008 16:33:17 GMT -5
Ok a couple reviews are up on monkeyville and CF about last night's show. No tom petty- unfortunately.
But here is the good news: I asked the keith fans on monkeyville if they noticed if the duet was being taped for the live dvd, and they said yes-- both on thursday and last night. They said that it was obvious when the cameras were around- and one cameraman actually whacked one of them by accident trying to film the duet. lol
So they think it is very likely that the duet will be included in the DVD-- since it was taped twice- and- apparently keith included a duet he did with Katrina Elam in his last live DVD. So he has a history of including duets on his concert dvds. The only concern they had was that since it is tom petty's song- they would have to get tom's permission to include it on the DVD. But since it was filmed twice- I imagine they got permission or why bother film it.
Finally-- a few keith fans also said that Carrie was filming her own concert for her own love DVD!! I am not sure how they know this-=- but a few said it. Hopefully-- it is not urban legend (excuse the pun- lol) and will come to be....:)
But I feel pretty confident that the duet WAS filmed for inclusion in keith's dvd, anyway- even if the Carrie DVD is not confirmed.
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Post by Grandpa1 on Apr 26, 2008 17:29:52 GMT -5
Ok a couple reviews are up on monkeyville and CF about last night's show. No tom petty- unfortunately. But here is the good news: I asked the keith fans on monkeyville if they noticed if the duet was being taped for the live dvd, and they said yes-- both on thursday and last night. They said that it was obvious when the cameras were around- and one cameraman actually whacked one of them by accident trying to film the duet. lol So they think it is very likely that the duet will be included in the DVD-- since it was taped twice- and- apparently keith included a duet he did with Katrina Elam in his last live DVD. So he has a history of including duets on his concert dvds. The only concern they had was that since it is tom petty's song- they would have to get tom's permission to include it on the DVD. But since it was filmed twice- I imagine they got permission or why bother film it. Finally-- a few keith fans also said that Carrie was filming her own concert for her own love DVD!! I am not sure how they know this-=- but a few said it. Hopefully-- it is not urban legend (excuse the pun- lol) and will come to be....:) But I feel pretty confident that the duet WAS filmed for inclusion in keith's dvd, anyway- even if the Carrie DVD is not confirmed. That is good news - thanks T. Some Hearts at week 56, 57, 58, Wow, I think those kind of sales are over, even during the holidays. 126,345-------199,114----------292,246 If Last Name crosses over, IMO, her CR sales will double to what Taylor is selling or more, in the mid 30k area or so. If that happens, CR will get it's 3X platinum certification by summer and will eventually end up in the 4X category. jmo JP - these numbers were during the 2006 Christmas Season. I probably should put the week ending dates next to the numbers, the way my primary Master Chart is organized. grandpa1, I realized these were during the holidays of 06, hence my statements at the end. Still, during this past holiday season, I didn't see those kind of numbers for any album that was over a year old. Correct me if I'm wrong. Thanks. JP – I’m sorry I overlooked this reply. You are right, last Christmas Season was not a good time for the Music Industry. With regard to CR, in comparison to her 2006 SH sales, it was a real sad disappointment. I personally believe the Label did not promote CR as effectively or aggressively as it did SH. The CR promotion before introduction seemed to be shorter than the one for SH and the Label even fell down by delivering Target the bonus package that contained the DVD late. I too, am hoping for a LN crossover and hope the Label will aggressively support and promote it and AAG also. My hopes for that are somewhat low right now, until I see what Weiss does at Arista. Maybe others can provide more information on this, but I did not notice any effort by 19 or the Label in support of the BHC crossover. In fact, respective to Carrie, both seem to act more like cheerleaders while she does all the marketing: doing on-air calls to Radio Stations, personal appearances on TV and near nightly Concerts, while neither do anything visible to assist promotion. After Idol, Carrie was signed directly with Arista (perhaps because Simon Fuller hoped Clive might persuade Carrie to go pop) and then Clive assigned her to Arista-Nashville. If you look at my RIAA Certification List on page 1 of this Thread, SH was Certified as Arista-Nashville and now CR is being applied for by Arista (JTTW was the only single on which Arista-Nashville applied for Certification); thus, it seems Arista did the marketing for CR rather than Arista-Nashville, which is even more of a reason to look at Clive Davis’ responsibility in the contrast between SH sales and the (disappointment in comparison with) CR sales. All we can do now is wait and see what happens at Arista under Weiss’ leadership. As you mentioned in the Part 5 Thread, Carrie is making a lot of money for both 19 and Arista; so, it seems like they should do more and invest something by assisting her promotional efforts. Our hope for the kind of sales you mention (and I agree with) might possibly result only from crossover of her songs now (since the interest created in the initial promotion was forgotten long ago). In addition, most everybody (at this point) likely knows I believe it will take the crossover of at least one song that excites “Tweens” to buy the Album for Carrie to experience a major sales increase; yet, any sales increase would be a welcome improvement for the near term, in my opinion.
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Post by tsharky on Apr 26, 2008 17:59:34 GMT -5
^ grandpa- I agree. I feel it is time for the label to push for a crossover--not to remix it, but just to promote it more. That will surely help sales.
I noticed that taylor swift was on TRL recently. Why has carrie never been on TRL? Carrie had a very successful video on MTV and was nominated for an MTV award-- but she never went there to be interviewed. That- to me- was a big mistake. She should have taken advantage of every opportunity to get some mainstream exposure.
Just curious: has MTV even downloaded the AAG video like they did for BHC? Seems like we would have heard something about it if they did.
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Post by Grandpa1 on Apr 26, 2008 18:05:09 GMT -5
^ T, that is just another example of the 19 Management failure to promote and support her.
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Post by jrnleblanc on Apr 26, 2008 18:11:40 GMT -5
WW:
Carrie Underwood Carnival Ride 2,145,000 2,305,875
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Apr 26, 2008 18:37:47 GMT -5
Why has carrie never been on TRL? Here's a thought: Maybe Carrie wasn't interested in being on TRL. I've little doubt that TRL invited her to be on. I also tend to think Carrie's label would have loved for her to be on the show, since it would have probably moved a few records. I've little doubt that Top-40 and Hot AC radio stations would love to interview Carrie, but I also don't think it is a coincidence that Carrie hasn't done a single interview on a Top-40 or Hot AC radio station since the Idol tour in 2005. It's a rather facile argument to put this on her management or label -- at a certain point, I think you have to look at the artist's own remarks and see that her management and label may just be respecting Carrie's wishes. I don't think Carrie could have made it any more clear that she is not going to actively seek a crossover hit. Maybe it's out of concern that she'll be tagged as someone merely using the country market in a play for pop success, but I think it has more to do with who Carrie sees herself as an artist. And again, at a certain point, I think it's worth considering that Carrie isn't all that concerned about losing pop sales by not seeking out pop fans. I think she would have made different decisions about album content, about insisting in interviews that she is a country artist and about the intensity of her tour schedule if another big crossover album were a priority. Pretty much everything about CR tells me that Carrie's priority in this era is consolidating her place in country music and establishing herself as a credible country music headliner. And with that in mind, it's entirely possible that Arista New York has decided it isn't going to bother with pop radio crossover attempts either, unless there are signs of an organic build. It's all about ROI (return on investment) and Arista New York isn't going to shell out promotion for a song like A-AG that might only hit on AC (which doesn't have a good track record when it comes to generating album sales). Besides, RMG promo doesn't have a great track record at AC in general. It's possible RMG will see what kind of research LN draws in the pop markets and go from there. But my view is that LN is unlikely to have the impact that BHC did. Moreover, Carrie doesn't seem like she is going to make herself available to do a ton of promotion. She's too busy. Despite a crazy packed schedule in 2008, Carrie has still managed to fit in appearances at Grammys, SNL and the Opry, plus she'll get some strong TV play with her Opry induction and the ACMs (and, perhaps, the AI finale). The common thread with most of her TV appearances so far this year is that they have been prestige gigs that underscore how well-respected Carrie is in the industry. Gigs like TRL might move a few records, but they are more mundane and don't really convey that message of respect. One can argue that it is short-sighted to forgo teen-targeted TV marketing or pop marketing. But I don't think it is. It's not that I think the extra sales would be a bad thing, I just think it's fine for Carrie to focus on other ways to ensure her longevity and that it's myopic to focus only on album sales. I also couldn't disagree more with the assertion that Carrie's label and management have failed to promote her during this era. I don't agree with all of the decisions made (in particular, I would like to see Carrie and her team be more active about showcasing more of CR on the Internet, and I also think A-AG was indeed sunk to get Alan Jackson's song to #1). But I certainly don't see a lack of effort. It just seems to me album promotion has taken a back seat to the broader goal of consolidating Carrie's place in country music. From where I stand, the work being done to achieve that broader goal is going amazingly well so far this year.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2008 18:57:36 GMT -5
Thank you dudley!! I don't understand why people are expecting Carrie to suddenly start promoting to the pop crowd when she's made it clear that she's not really interested.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2008 19:08:44 GMT -5
Thank you dudley!! I don't understand why people are expecting Carrie to suddenly start promoting to the pop crowd when she's made it clear that she's not really interested. I know, it always seems to me that Carrie's most die-hard fans are far more interested in pop than Carrie is.
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Post by imafan on Apr 26, 2008 19:26:34 GMT -5
Thanks dudley. I always enjoy reading your posts. I know that some are really into watching the charts and album sales(on a sales note, the walmart in my area hasn't had any CR cds availabe in a month but just restocked with about 6 SH cds. Makes me wonder if there is a problem with walmart and pricing or something) But as important as sales probably are, the thing I have enjoyed most about following Carrie's career, has been being surprised by the opportunites she has had. Singing at the Grammys two years in a row, fashion rocks, movies rocks, IGB, other award show appearances......................the way she handles those opportunities and the press around them with class, grace and professionalism always impresses me. Maybe I am just a biased fan, but it seems to me that she is earning and gaining alot of respect in the music world.
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Post by tsharky on Apr 26, 2008 19:49:07 GMT -5
Dudley- -I agree with alot of what you said--and I support carrie's firm stand on not re-mixing her songs to pop to be a sellout like some. If Carrie doesn't care about selling more albums- then I guess there is nothing we can say about that. lol However- in today's declining sales market, if Carrie is to stay competitive and on top, she needs to target other markets to draw in more teens, etc. Unfortunately sales do generate buzz, and awards.....Without good sales, or "buzz", artists tend to fade away like gretchen wilson did, or sara evans, leanne rimes, etc. All are talented but they are not really going anywhere in their careers right now. I just don't want to be complacent and have carrie fade away when she is SO talented and deserving of staying on top for years to come.
I agree that MTV and TRL are both pretty lame anyway- but they are huge with teen and pop audiences. BHC alone must have sold over 2 million albums-- and it generated grammys, countless accolades, and other awards. I like your point that Carrie has been invited to events that are much more respectable then TRL, etc. However- look at the buying power of teens and miley cyrus/taylor swift fans-- teens are ruling the music world.
I just want carrie to stay on top-- and while the Opry is much more important then a stupid TRL interview or being on the cover of Blender magazine, etc- sales and revenue are a big factor for carrie's long term success.
However- since her tour is going so well- hopefully she will end up like kenny and rascal flats, even keith urban-- and sell only 3x platinum or so- yet sell out all her concerts and become a major player & tour headliner. It is interesting that kenny doesn't sell albums as well as carrie- yet kenny can sell out a 60-,000 person stadium in one hour.
Anyway-- I may be contradicting myself here- lol-- but maybe catering to the teen market is not a good long term plan after all-- because teens are fickle and drop you for the next hot thing after a very short shelf life. Very few of britney spears fans that adored her when she was a teen, seem to have stuck by her. They moved on to new and better artists. The same thing may happen to miley cyrus and taylor, jonas brothers, etc- because they are teen fads right now-- hot and burning brightly, but soon to fade.
by contrast- adults tend to stick by their favorites for life, and pick their music more carefully, based on talent, etc. Carrie has the talent to last a long time in the business. She may be here long after all the mileys and taylors are forgotten.....because a good voice is not a fad. It is a lifetime career.
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Post by jptexas on Apr 26, 2008 20:16:41 GMT -5
It looks like the attitude of the "suits" in Nashville has been changing lately as far as not being too ticked off at artists that change or tweak their sound just to sell on the pop genre. Taylor's been very overt and obviously not worrying about what her peers or the industry thinks about her changing her songs around to satisfy the pop buying public.
In Carrie's case, if Last Name would be marketed to the pop side, it wouldn't have to be change one bit. It's country/pop at it's best. It wouldn't diminish Carrie's position as a true country artist IMO. Carrie could continue doing what's she's been doing to enhance her reputation with the same recipe she's been using.
I see a win/win with LN crossing over. jmo
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Post by neally on Apr 26, 2008 20:27:19 GMT -5
Why has carrie never been on TRL? Here's a thought: Maybe Carrie wasn't interested in being on TRL. I've little doubt that TRL invited her to be on. I also tend to think Carrie's label would have loved for her to be on the show, since it would have probably moved a few records. I've little doubt that Top-40 and Hot AC radio stations would love to interview Carrie, but I also don't think it is a coincidence that Carrie hasn't done a single interview on a Top-40 or Hot AC radio station since the Idol tour in 2005. It's a rather facile argument to put this on her management or label -- at a certain point, I think you have to look at the artist's own remarks and see that her management and label may just be respecting Carrie's wishes. I don't think Carrie could have made it any more clear that she is not going to actively seek a crossover hit. Maybe it's out of concern that she'll be tagged as someone merely using the country market in a play for pop success, but I think it has more to do with who Carrie sees herself as an artist. And again, at a certain point, I think it's worth considering that Carrie isn't all that concerned about losing pop sales by not seeking out pop fans. I think she would have made different decisions about album content, about insisting in interviews that she is a country artist and about the intensity of her tour schedule if another big crossover album were a priority. Pretty much everything about CR tells me that Carrie's priority in this era is consolidating her place in country music and establishing herself as a credible country music headliner. And with that in mind, it's entirely possible that Arista New York has decided it isn't going to bother with pop radio crossover attempts either, unless there are signs of an organic build. It's all about ROI (return on investment) and Arista New York isn't going to shell out promotion for a song like A-AG that might only hit on AC (which doesn't have a good track record when it comes to generating album sales). Besides, RMG promo doesn't have a great track record at AC in general. It's possible RMG will see what kind of research LN draws in the pop markets and go from there. But my view is that LN is unlikely to have the impact that BHC did. Moreover, Carrie doesn't seem like she is going to make herself available to do a ton of promotion. She's too busy. Despite a crazy packed schedule in 2008, Carrie has still managed to fit in appearances at Grammys, SNL and the Opry, plus she'll get some strong TV play with her Opry induction and the ACMs (and, perhaps, the AI finale). The common thread with most of her TV appearances so far this year is that they have been prestige gigs that underscore how well-respected Carrie is in the industry. Gigs like TRL might move a few records, but they are more mundane and don't really convey that message of respect. One can argue that it is short-sighted to forgo teen-targeted TV marketing or pop marketing. But I don't think it is. It's not that I think the extra sales would be a bad thing, I just think it's fine for Carrie to focus on other ways to ensure her longevity and that it's myopic to focus only on album sales. I also couldn't disagree more with the assertion that Carrie's label and management have failed to promote her during this era. I don't agree with all of the decisions made (in particular, I would like to see Carrie and her team be more active about showcasing more of CR on the Internet, and I also think A-AG was indeed sunk to get Alan Jackson's song to #1). But I certainly don't see a lack of effort. It just seems to me album promotion has taken a back seat to the broader goal of consolidating Carrie's place in country music. From where I stand, the work being done to achieve that broader goal is going amazingly well so far this year. Thank you for your viewpoint- very well said !
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2008 20:31:15 GMT -5
Thank you dudley!! I don't understand why people are expecting Carrie to suddenly start promoting to the pop crowd when she's made it clear that she's not really interested. I know, it always seems to me that Carrie's most die-hard fans are far more interested in pop than Carrie is. Well the fact that most are die hard kind of explains it. Carrie has to be Queen of the world and most successful at every thing she does. Forget that catering to the pop crowd would be done against Carrie's wishes. It'll help her sell a couple more thousand copies of her album so that's all that really matters. I've lost count of how many times she's said that she won't be remixing any songs, she won't be sending any songs to pop radio, they're not catering to pop crowds. Yet this sort of talk pops up every week it seems. The only way LN will be supported as a crossover hit is if stations start picking up on the song themselves and I don't see that happening. Funny, after idol I was sure along with a couple others, that TPTB would slut her up and try and turn her into some new Britney . I was shocked that they honored Carrie's wish of recording a country album and becoming a country aritst. And after almost 3 years they're doing the same and I'm hoping none of that will change.
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Post by jeff on Apr 26, 2008 21:54:44 GMT -5
Here's a thought: Maybe Carrie wasn't interested in being on TRL. I've little doubt that TRL invited her to be on. I also tend to think Carrie's label would have loved for her to be on the show, since it would have probably moved a few records. I've little doubt that Top-40 and Hot AC radio stations would love to interview Carrie, but I also don't think it is a coincidence that Carrie hasn't done a single interview on a Top-40 or Hot AC radio station since the Idol tour in 2005. It's a rather facile argument to put this on her management or label -- at a certain point, I think you have to look at the artist's own remarks and see that her management and label may just be respecting Carrie's wishes. I don't think Carrie could have made it any more clear that she is not going to actively seek a crossover hit. Maybe it's out of concern that she'll be tagged as someone merely using the country market in a play for pop success, but I think it has more to do with who Carrie sees herself as an artist. And again, at a certain point, I think it's worth considering that Carrie isn't all that concerned about losing pop sales by not seeking out pop fans. I think she would have made different decisions about album content, about insisting in interviews that she is a country artist and about the intensity of her tour schedule if another big crossover album were a priority. Pretty much everything about CR tells me that Carrie's priority in this era is consolidating her place in country music and establishing herself as a credible country music headliner. And with that in mind, it's entirely possible that Arista New York has decided it isn't going to bother with pop radio crossover attempts either, unless there are signs of an organic build. It's all about ROI (return on investment) and Arista New York isn't going to shell out promotion for a song like A-AG that might only hit on AC (which doesn't have a good track record when it comes to generating album sales). Besides, RMG promo doesn't have a great track record at AC in general. It's possible RMG will see what kind of research LN draws in the pop markets and go from there. But my view is that LN is unlikely to have the impact that BHC did. Moreover, Carrie doesn't seem like she is going to make herself available to do a ton of promotion. She's too busy. dudley, i cannot say how much i love you for this post!!! it seems some fans want her to go and actively pander to the pop audience, even though she has said she isnt interested in doing that. I like your point about return on investment. the label's given Carrie her wish the way she wants her album made, even if that meant less albums sold. why should they make the effort to spend the dollars to promote the album as much as they did with SH if they cannot be sure it can match the sales of SH? the artist isnt interested in that, and this is after all a business for the label Thank you dudley!! I don't understand why people are expecting Carrie to suddenly start promoting to the pop crowd when she's made it clear that she's not really interested. I know, it always seems to me that Carrie's most die-hard fans are far more interested in pop than Carrie is. and some of the fans are more anxious about her sales than she is. album sales is only one of MANY measurements of an artists success. she knows she doesnt need to move 5 million so that she can record her next album. i've mentioned a few times too that she probably has other goals in her career, other than moving albums. other things could be more important to her. and as others have mentioned, she couldnt have made this clearer in her interviews and what she has and has not done. its pretty obvious, yet some fans still express disappointment at some aspects of her career. aint gonna happen. its funny to see some fans get so uptight over the perceived competition in sales when Carrie isnt interested. these fans will only get more and more uptight in the future! Funny, after idol I was sure along with a couple others, that TPTB would slut her up and try and turn her into some new Britney . I was shocked that they honored Carrie's wish of recording a country album and becoming a country aritst. And after almost 3 years they're doing the same and I'm hoping none of that will change. lol. if Carrie really wants to sell albums, she could easily slut it up and use sex appeal to sell.
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Post by leilamaurizia on Apr 26, 2008 22:14:15 GMT -5
Oooh, Internet, I've missed you so! So I come back after a week and there's so much to catch up and comment on that I'll be rehashing old stuff if I take it per topic. Anyway, dudley and jeff have mirrored my point of view so thanks, you two.
As for this latest topic, <copy dudley's post here, and add> I think Carrie and her team have been very smart from the beginning and have been building her career for longevity, led by no less than Carrie's direction and her team being very respectful and supportive of her wishes (and concurrently, Carrie being respectful of and open to her team's expertise). I don't think Carrie gets enough credit for being smart about her decisions and choosing her battles. Immediately post-Idol, it was never about milking the moment for all that it's worth. Carrie has mentioned turning down offers to write an autobiography and immediately headlining a full-scale small-venue tour. Instead, she opened for superstar country acts, not because that was the only opportunity available, but because that is the way to get your feet wet and "pay your dues" in the country music industry. Since then, she's turned down and is being choosy about whatever movie offers there are and, I'm sure, other offers of product endorsement. She turned down the invitation to appear in the MTV Video Music Awards and probable invitations to appear in other pop outlets, as already mentioned by dudley. She put her foot down on remixing BHC. To me, it looks like she's picking and choosing just the best offers that will further, and not endanger, long-term goals... and being very mindful of the lessons learned from the people that came before her. From the beginning, she has said that she never expected the explosive success right out of the gate. She just wanted to build towards having a long career in country music. IMO, the same mindset exists in the decisions she's made and the battles she's chosen. Very smart. I don't agree with absolutely everything-- the 6 non-stop hours of the SS video playing on CMT comes to mind. IIRC, Carrie's reaction when the idea was first presented to her was: "Why??!!!" but she didn't fight the big fight. Tsk, tsk, LOL, but I would have to agree there are bigger battles to fight than that. Another constant decision of hers that I don't agree with-- Roman White. But now I'm rambling and I accidentally hit a button and I thought I'd lost this long post, so I'll stop before any other accidents happen. My bottom line, Carrie has firmly established her place in country music. She inevitably will not stay the top dog forever and for always, but she has a career for as long as she wants it. Only Carrie (and marriage, hee!) can stop Carrie.
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Post by tsharky on Apr 26, 2008 22:28:01 GMT -5
I know, it always seems to me that Carrie's most die-hard fans are far more interested in pop than Carrie is. Well the fact that most are die hard kind of explains it. Carrie has to be Queen of the world and most successful at every thing she does. Forget that catering to the pop crowd would be done against Carrie's wishes. It'll help her sell a couple more thousand copies of her album so that's all that really matters. I've lost count of how many times she's said that she won't be remixing any songs, she won't be sending any songs to pop radio, they're not catering to pop crowds. Yet this sort of talk pops up every week it seems. The only way LN will be supported as a crossover hit is if stations start picking up on the song themselves and I don't see that happening. Funny, after idol I was sure along with a couple others, that TPTB would slut her up and try and turn her into some new Britney . I was shocked that they honored Carrie's wish of recording a country album and becoming a country aritst. And after almost 3 years they're doing the same and I'm hoping none of that will change. actually-- carrie has said many times that if her songs crossed over to pop on their own without being remixed-- she would be fine with that. Remember she said-- what is wrong with a little fiddle? lol so she never said that she doesn't want her songs played on pop radio---- she just doesn't want them remixed. Just to clarify--None of us so called "die hards" are saying that we want her to pander to pop radio like taylor is doing....I wouldn't want carrie to sell out. BHC crossed over without Carrie losing her self-respect or principles by having to remix it. I just want her to be as successful as she can be, without compromising the things she feels strongly about. There is nothing wrong with having your songs played on pop radio, in their original form. Shania, faith, martina, tim mcgraw, rascal flats, leanne rimes, etc- all had many songs played on pop radio and some were not remixed-- some were. No one thinks they are lacking in morals or integrity just because their songs are played on pop. However- they sure did get alot of slack from country radio when they remixed songs-- but for whatever reason, taylor is doing it with no repercussions. So I think country music is so desperate for sales- that they decided to give people free passes on pop remixes at this point. It is only when people remix their songs to cater to pop radio- that I have a problem with it. That says to me-- that all you care about is sales--- even if it means changing your song so much that you can barely recognize it as a so-called "country" song. Taylor's songs do not sound country at all when played on pop radio.
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Post by Amazedxx on Apr 27, 2008 0:12:34 GMT -5
Ok a couple reviews are up on monkeyville and CF about last night's show. No tom petty- unfortunately. But here is the good news: I asked the keith fans on monkeyville if they noticed if the duet was being taped for the live dvd, and they said yes-- both on thursday and last night. They said that it was obvious when the cameras were around- and one cameraman actually whacked one of them by accident trying to film the duet. lol So they think it is very likely that the duet will be included in the DVD-- since it was taped twice- and- apparently keith included a duet he did with Katrina Elam in his last live DVD. So he has a history of including duets on his concert dvds. The only concern they had was that since it is tom petty's song- they would have to get tom's permission to include it on the DVD. But since it was filmed twice- I imagine they got permission or why bother film it. Finally-- a few keith fans also said that Carrie was filming her own concert for her own love DVD!! I am not sure how they know this-=- but a few said it. Hopefully-- it is not urban legend (excuse the pun- lol) and will come to be....:) But I feel pretty confident that the duet WAS filmed for inclusion in keith's dvd, anyway- even if the Carrie DVD is not confirmed. ohmygosh that would be sooo awesome i hope its true!!!
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Post by jeff on Apr 27, 2008 1:36:01 GMT -5
Well the fact that most are die hard kind of explains it. Carrie has to be Queen of the world and most successful at every thing she does. Forget that catering to the pop crowd would be done against Carrie's wishes. It'll help her sell a couple more thousand copies of her album so that's all that really matters. I've lost count of how many times she's said that she won't be remixing any songs, she won't be sending any songs to pop radio, they're not catering to pop crowds. Yet this sort of talk pops up every week it seems. The only way LN will be supported as a crossover hit is if stations start picking up on the song themselves and I don't see that happening. Funny, after idol I was sure along with a couple others, that TPTB would slut her up and try and turn her into some new Britney . I was shocked that they honored Carrie's wish of recording a country album and becoming a country aritst. And after almost 3 years they're doing the same and I'm hoping none of that will change. actually-- carrie has said many times that if her songs crossed over to pop on their own without being remixed-- she would be fine with that. Remember she said-- what is wrong with a little fiddle? lol so she never said that she doesn't want her songs played on pop radio---- she just doesn't want them remixed. Just to clarify--None of us so called "die hards" are saying that we want her to pander to pop radio like taylor is doing....I wouldn't want carrie to sell out. BHC crossed over without Carrie losing her self-respect or principles by having to remix it. I just want her to be as successful as she can be, without compromising the things she feels strongly about. There is nothing wrong with having your songs played on pop radio, in their original form. Shania, faith, martina, tim mcgraw, rascal flats, leanne rimes, etc- all had many songs played on pop radio and some were not remixed-- some were. No one thinks they are lacking in morals or integrity just because their songs are played on pop. However- they sure did get alot of slack from country radio when they remixed songs-- but for whatever reason, taylor is doing it with no repercussions. So I think country music is so desperate for sales- that they decided to give people free passes on pop remixes at this point. It is only when people remix their songs to cater to pop radio- that I have a problem with it. That says to me-- that all you care about is sales--- even if it means changing your song so much that you can barely recognize it as a so-called "country" song. Taylor's songs do not sound country at all when played on pop radio. hm. nowhere in chez's post was mentioned not wanting her songs to be played on pop radio. it was only mentioned that Carrie isnt catering her songs for pop radio, and isnt making crossing over a goal. its just an observation that some fans want her songs to cross over more than Carrie herself wants. isn't not sending any songs to pop radio the same as songs crossed over to pop on their own? its different from purposely putting her foot down on any effort to pander to the pop audience. and with regards to remixing songs, i think nashville kinda realized they looked a little petty for shunning leann and faith back in the day. if carrie wanted to, she could remix her songs without much repercussions, imo. times have changed, so have attitudes. the option is there for carrie, as for any major country artist if they so choose...
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Post by TimeFlies on Apr 27, 2008 4:33:34 GMT -5
^ what i think alot of people are forgetting, is that no matter if carrie wants her stuff played on pop or not, whether the lable wants to promote it or not, pop radio pretty much says that carrie is too country....bhc was an exception because the people heard it and loved it, it tested extremely well and the video was a huge hit ...bhc to my knowledge played on pop radio without much promotion
last name might be able to do the same if the video makes a huge impact
its no question that pop airplay = sales for a country artist, carrie is at a time in her career where there is a fine line between sales for a packaged product, and and being respected in the country music genre as an artist with an impact for years to come
i think we should just all roll with it....just like carrie
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Post by vinman on Apr 27, 2008 5:52:59 GMT -5
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Post by leilamaurizia on Apr 27, 2008 7:49:07 GMT -5
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