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Post by carriefan0209 on Apr 25, 2008 5:47:58 GMT -5
If Last Name crosses over, IMO, her CR sales will double to what Taylor is selling or more, in the mid 30k area or so. If that happens, CR will get it's 3X platinum certification by summer and will eventually end up in the 4X category. jmo JP - I forgot to give you the following information earlier. While I was back east, I attended a meeting of a stockholder's group. CR sales were not among the least of the reasons for the change in the leadership at BMG North America, as reported on 4/21/08. Portion of Article on Clive Davis' new position:2008: Named Chief Creative Officer for Sony BMG Music Entertainment, with ex-Zomba Label Group head Barry Weiss taking over as Chairman/CEO BMG N.A. His latest diva, Leona Lewis, debuts at #1 on HITS Album chart. - - - Somebody reported this change of management in the Part 5 Thread earlier this week. So wait, part of the reason Clive was "fired" was because of Carnival Ride's "poor" sales?
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Post by jatale on Apr 25, 2008 6:52:24 GMT -5
Vinman: I hope that you can CAP the GAC pre-Opry Induction special show about Carrie for us. I'm guessing you would need to make a torrent to download it but that is OK by me. Also I hope that you can also CAP all parts of the actual Opry show including Carrie's induction ceremony and any performances by her or related to her. This whole thing is going to be very exciting!
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Post by tsharky on Apr 25, 2008 7:54:49 GMT -5
If Last Name crosses over, IMO, her CR sales will double to what Taylor is selling or more, in the mid 30k area or so. If that happens, CR will get it's 3X platinum certification by summer and will eventually end up in the 4X category. jmo JP - I forgot to give you the following information earlier. While I was back east, I attended a meeting of a stockholder's group. CR sales were not among the least of the reasons for the change in the leadership at BMG North America, as reported on 4/21/08. Portion of Article on Clive Davis' new position:2008: Named Chief Creative Officer for Sony BMG Music Entertainment, with ex-Zomba Label Group head Barry Weiss taking over as Chairman/CEO BMG N.A. His latest diva, Leona Lewis, debuts at #1 on HITS Album chart. - - - Somebody reported this change of management in the Part 5 Thread earlier this week. Grandpa==I am confused by the one line you said in your post--- Are you saying that one of the reasons clive was fired is because CR is not selling as well as SH? That is pretty crazy if true-- since clive has very little to do with carrie or her sales. I would imagine if anyone is getting blamed-it would be joe galante or someone on the arista nashville team-not someone as removed as clive. Or did I misunderstand you completely? thanx.:) I thought CR was still selling relatively well, just nothing like SH. Sure I am dissapointed a little- but I don't think 2x platinum calls for firing someone?
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Post by css on Apr 25, 2008 8:25:48 GMT -5
^It is not worded very clearly, but I think Grandpa1 is saying that CR's sales were not a factor in the management change at Sony BMG.
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Apr 25, 2008 9:16:03 GMT -5
Carrie's gearing toward being more headliner. I can't imagine the battle of who headlines, Miranda or Carrie if they tour together. At least I know Kellie will be an opener for either one. Just to be clear, if the Carrie/Miranda/Kellie tour were to happen, there's absolutely no doubt that Carrie would be the headliner and Miranda and Kellie would be opening acts. If you look at Billboard Boxscore numbers, Carrie's CR tour shows are grossing over ten times what Miranda's solo dates are -- there's no way Miranda could be considered a co-headliner. That said, this brings up another point, which is whether opening for Carrie would really be considered progress for Miranda and Kellie, considering the other big names they have already opened for (Miranda has opened for Toby Keith and George Strait, Kellie for Brad Paisley and Rascal Flatts). If Carrie has two opening acts, I'm not sure Miranda and Kellie would get longer opening sets than they had for other artists. But maybe they would both get about 35-40 minutes apiece, with Carrie getting a full headliner set. All credible reports about Barry Weiss' ascendance atop SBMG and Clive Davis' move to a creative role point to Clive's old model, heavy spending for sales approach to his divas and Weiss' penny-pinching ways as the reason for the change. I doubt CR entered that calculation at all, but if it did, it would be on the positive side of ledger.
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Post by jptexas on Apr 25, 2008 9:48:03 GMT -5
Some Hearts at week 56, 57, 58, Wow, I think those kind of sales are over, even during the holidays. 126,345-------199,114----------292,246 If Last Name crosses over, IMO, her CR sales will double to what Taylor is selling or more, in the mid 30k area or so. If that happens, CR will get it's 3X platinum certification by summer and will eventually end up in the 4X category. jmo JP - these numbers were during the 2006 Christmas Season. I probably should put the week ending dates next to the numbers, the way my primary Master Chart is organized. grandpa1, I realized these were during the holidays of 06, hence my statements at the end. Still, during this past holiday season, I didn't see those kind of numbers for any album that was over a year old. Correct me if I'm wrong. Thanks.
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Post by jptexas on Apr 25, 2008 9:52:42 GMT -5
^It is not worded very clearly, but I think Grandpa1 is saying that CR's sales were not a factor in the management change at Sony BMG. I came to the same conclusion, CR sales were not factored in the firing. It was a positive as far as the bottom line. Besides, when is an album that's been out 6 months and should be certified 3X platinum, IMO, by the end of summer, a bad thing.
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Post by pandy on Apr 25, 2008 11:03:03 GMT -5
The plot of this movie sounds a lot like LAST NAME and what we know of the music video so far. Wouldn't it be cool if they used Last Name in the movie.
WHAT HAPPENS IN VEGAS Starring: Cameron Diaz, Ashton Kutcher Directed By: Tom Vaughan (big-screen feature film debut) Story: After a night out in Vegas, complete strangers (Diaz and Kutcher) wake up married. To add to the surprise, one of them has won a jackpot by using the other’s quarter. Despite calculating schemes to get the money for themselves, the pair begin to fall in love.
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Post by jatale on Apr 25, 2008 11:17:54 GMT -5
The plot of this movie sounds a lot like LAST NAME and what we know of the music video so far. Wouldn't it be cool if they used Last Name in the movie. Yes it would be cool, but I kind of doubt it will happen. Movies take several years minimum to be made, so this movie was planned, filmed, and went through post-production some time ago. CR wasn't even on the drawing board when the music for this movie was recorded. But stranger things have happened, so who knows? I agree that having LN in the movie would be great promotion for Carrie especially if the song was played over the opening credits. (I remember that KT Tunstall's song "Suddenly I See" was played over the opening credits for "The Devil Wears Prada" which helped it become a Top-40 hit.)
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Post by jeff on Apr 25, 2008 12:09:46 GMT -5
That said, this brings up another point, which is whether opening for Carrie would really be considered progress for Miranda and Kellie, considering the other big names they have already opened for (Miranda has opened for Toby Keith and George Strait, Kellie for Brad Paisley and Rascal Flatts). If Carrie has two opening acts, I'm not sure Miranda and Kellie would get longer opening sets than they had for other artists. But maybe they would both get about 35-40 minutes apiece, with Carrie getting a full headliner set. this is a great point you bring up. while its certainly no step back for carrie (since she will be the headliner), one has to wonder if the other 2 and/or their management will consider it a step back. for example, it is unlikely carrie is going to be an opening act anymore, unless she opens for some legends. as huge as she is right now, carrie isnt a legend, yet, and might still be considered behind in the pecking order with regards to Toby, George and RF in terms of touring if im being honest (again), i dont think such a tour will help their careers, and may be viewed as a step back esp for the other 2. i wouldnt be surprised if some in their management will not be too enthusiastic in that aspect. that said, if they really wanted to do it since they like each other, itd be cool for them on a personal level to go ahead with such a plan. professionally though, i dont think this will be the best for Miranda and Kellie.
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Post by jptexas on Apr 25, 2008 13:54:49 GMT -5
This whole Carrie/Miranda/Kellie tour idea is troubling for me. I can see where Carrie and Kellie would tour, but the supposed anamosity, between the Carrie and Miranda fans seems to be a non-starter. I know Miranda has done things that add fuel to the fire lately, but if they want to try and bury the hatchet, no pun intended, lol, I guess they can give it a go. I can see the posts already about who will headline, those would be no brainer, but the ones about who SHOULD headline will be interesting at a minimum. Who knows, stranger things have happened. jmo
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Post by neally on Apr 25, 2008 14:25:45 GMT -5
This whole Carrie/Miranda/Kellie tour idea is troubling for me. I can see where Carrie and Kellie would tour, but the supposed anamosity, between the Carrie and Miranda fans seems to be a non-starter. I know Miranda has done things that add fuel to the fire lately, but if they want to try and bury the hatchet, no pun intended, lol, I guess they can give it a go. I can see the posts already about who will headline, those would be no brainer, but the ones about who SHOULD headline will be interesting at a minimum. Who knows, stranger things have happened. jmo Wow- this is the first time I had heard anything about some alleged animosity between Carrie and Miranda. Regarding what and when did this begin, and also what did Miranda do to "fuel the fire lately" ? Thanks in advance.
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Post by jptexas on Apr 25, 2008 15:48:03 GMT -5
www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GhEBBGAZXEHere's the beginning of Carrie tearing up in Atlanta during her performance of DFTRM. Someone might have the complete video. She supposedly couldn't continue with the song and the audience helped her along. She came back later and was ok, but it made People Magazine's site.
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Post by jeff on Apr 25, 2008 16:09:32 GMT -5
Wow- this is the first time I had heard anything about some alleged animosity between Carrie and Miranda. Regarding what and when did this begin, and also what did Miranda do to "fuel the fire lately" ? Thanks in advance. i dont think its a good idea to discuss this, it might start something. if you want you can PM me. i dont wish to see fan wars starting here. last night's moment is up on people www.people.com/people/article/0,,20195482,00.html not sure if "break down" is an accurate term... interesting this has gotten this kind of attention. maybe its because Carrie's seen to be pretty much perfect --- perfect looks, perfect vocals, and usually in perfect control of her emotions. i think this is a side that the more casual fans and non-fans may be surprised to see. we all know what a sweetheart and appreciative girl she is, but i think the less 'obsessed' dont quite realize this
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Post by somebody60 on Apr 25, 2008 16:26:37 GMT -5
not sure if "break down" is an accurate term... interesting this has gotten this kind of attention. maybe its because Carrie's seen to be pretty much perfect --- perfect looks, perfect vocals, and usually in perfect control of her emotions. i think this is a side that the more casual fans and non-fans may be surprised to see. we all know what a sweetheart and appreciative girl she is, but i think the less 'obsessed' dont quite realize this Yes, I was there, and I don't think a breakdown is the right way to define what happened. My definition a breakdown is a crying, screaming fit (and she wasn't screaming). She was attempting to sing the chorus at the end, but her emotions made her voice crack, and she just couldn't finish it. She wasn't sobbing (just to make it clear)...just got a little emotional.
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Post by Grandpa1 on Apr 25, 2008 16:40:51 GMT -5
If Last Name crosses over, IMO, her CR sales will double to what Taylor is selling or more, in the mid 30k area or so. If that happens, CR will get it's 3X platinum certification by summer and will eventually end up in the 4X category. jmo JP - I forgot to give you the following information earlier. While I was back east, I attended a meeting of a stockholder's group. CR sales were not among the least of the reasons for the change in the leadership at BMG North America, as reported on 4/21/08.Portion of Article on Clive Davis' new position:2008: Named Chief Creative Officer for Sony BMG Music Entertainment, with ex-Zomba Label Group head Barry Weiss taking over as Chairman/CEO BMG N.A. His latest diva, Leona Lewis, debuts at #1 on HITS Album chart. - - - Somebody reported this change of management in the Part 5 Thread earlier this week. As so many people have commented on my report, I will give this explanation for the statement highlighted in red. We received a market analysis on the issue, which criticized the way market conditions were reacted to and the lack of a strategic marketing plan that focused on resolving the less than projected sales performance (especially with respect to named Superstars’ latest Albums). Management attention did not seem directed at how to regain market share; resources were not allocated in a manner that would increase the sales of the named Superstars’ Albums, nor was any clear direction or plan developed that had the potential of producing such results. There were other factors that were also significant in the decision to make the leadership change (as Dudley and others have stated) and my comment was not intended to assert that CR was a huge consideration in what occurred. CR sales (and those of some other Superstars) were not the least among the reasons (given in the analysis), but not totally inconsequential either. Although sales in general are down, sales of a few Artist’s Albums have done quite well. Some corporations do outstanding in the worst of economic times, ten percent of the companies (in any market) attain ninety percent of the sales and profit and much of this is due to the abilities, knowledge or experience of the marketing, sales and management staff. According to those who prepared the analysis on what happened at BMG: Clive Davis fell short in their consideration – and I agreed with that assessment. So did the other investors who attended the meeting. It is not how much you spend on the problem – it is how the resources are invested. Weiss’ primary mission will be to turnaround sales, as great profits from little revenue does not keep stockholders happy. Carrie and other Superstars will benefit if he achieves the goals that analysis projected. Otherwise, without a doubt, he will be replaced too. While doing his job, I am sure Mr. Weiss could make changes in the management staff at some of the Labels. Nobody should be lacking in concern if sales at any Label do not improve rather soon. There will be a new focus under Mr. Weiss.
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Post by somebody60 on Apr 25, 2008 17:07:00 GMT -5
Weiss’ primary mission will be to turnaround sales, as great profits from little revenue does not keep stockholders happy. Carrie and other Superstars will benefit if he achieves the goals that analysis projected. Otherwise, without a doubt, he will be replaced too. Well, if this is the case, I feel kinda bad for this guy. With our poor economy and more and more people downloading instead of buying, something has got to motivate people to buy. This won't be an easy job. This may be asking too much for anybody!
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Post by tsharky on Apr 25, 2008 17:17:36 GMT -5
www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GhEBBGAZXEHere's the beginning of Carrie tearing up in Atlanta during her performance of DFTRM. Someone might have the complete video. She supposedly couldn't continue with the song and the audience helped her along. She came back later and was ok, but it made People Magazine's site. awww....:) It almost made me cry too- so cute. :)
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Post by fischbone on Apr 25, 2008 17:20:30 GMT -5
I just read at CF that there is a dressing room for Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers for tonight...now somebody could've heard wrong or maybe it's for another night, but I thought it was interesting since Keith and Carrie do SDMHA. Keith is filming these last concerts for a DVD too so maybe they are joining them on stage or something. I guess we shall see..... ;)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2008 17:50:23 GMT -5
I just read at CF that there is a dressing room for Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers for tonight...now somebody could've heard wrong or maybe it's for another night, but I thought it was interesting since Keith and Carrie do SDMHA. Keith is filming these last concerts for a DVD too so maybe they are joining them on stage or something. I guess we shall see..... ;) Ooooh, wish I were there tonight!
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Post by tsharky on Apr 25, 2008 18:01:06 GMT -5
I just read at CF that there is a dressing room for Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers for tonight...now somebody could've heard wrong or maybe it's for another night, but I thought it was interesting since Keith and Carrie do SDMHA. Keith is filming these last concerts for a DVD too so maybe they are joining them on stage or something. I guess we shall see..... ;) I hope this is true-- but I checked tom petty's official site, and he is playing in california tonight. However- his prior engagement may have been cancelled- who knows. It would be incredible if true. ___________________________________________________ guys-- Davilas at CF found this on cmt.com: Great review from Atlanta! There are photos of the concert at the bottom of the cmt page. www.cmt.com/news/country-music/1586330/keith-urban-and-carrie-underwood-sizzle-as-tour-winds-down.jhtmlKeith Urban and Carrie Underwood Sizzle as Tour Winds Down Still No Signs of Boredom or Fatigue During First of Two Shows Near AtlantaBy: Melissa Loncaric Miller DULUTH, Ga. -- A reality talent show winner from a small town in Oklahoma and a once-struggling musician from down under joined forces in January to embark on a co-headlining tour. One sold-out show after another led Carrie Underwood and Keith Urban to the Atlanta area on Thursday night (April 24) to begin the last weekend of their Love Pain & the Whole Crazy Carnival Ride tour.The tour continues Friday for a second night at Duluth's Gwinnett Center before closing Saturday in Lexington, Ky. Kicking off Thursday's show with a countdown on the screen followed by quick images of the "All-American Girl," Underwood emerged onstage dressed in head-to-toe black, complete with knee-high boots. Greeting the already-standing crowd, she immediately cranked out a couple of album cuts and her big hit, "Wasted."
Her first wardrobe change for the evening also included a flooring change. The lights went down, and Underwood reappeared high atop a pedestal in a full-length blue gown singing "Jesus, Take the Wheel."
Talking about her childhood home in Oklahoma, the first notes of "I Ain't in Checotah Anymore" played as she tore away the bottom half of her ballroom gown, appearing at that moment to be very Dollyesque.
It could be the months spent on the road with Urban, or maybe she's just found her groove, but Underwood seems to have undergone a transformation to become more an entertainer-rocker chick -- and less country princess -- than her days on American Idol.
Her band kept the crowd entertained while she changed into her third outfit for the evening -- jeans and a top. She sassied her way through "Last Name," the current hit from her Carnival Ride album, before taking a seat on a barstool. Guitar resting on her legs, she took a moment before rolling into the next song to let the fans know how much she appreciates them.
"Thanks for putting me on the stage. I mean it. Thank you so much," she said with tear-filled eyes. "I've got to start singing before I start to cry!"
The glistening eyes that she had going into "Don't Forget to Remember Me" soon turned to tears as she attempted time and time again to get the words out. As she played her guitar, the crowd took over the singing duties, and as tears streamed down her face, the fans rose to their feet.
"OK, that's the last of that, I promise!" Underwood laughed.
When the lights went down, she was gone and back in seconds, looking as fresh-faced as ever as she shook off the emotional tune and rolled into "Twisted," "All-American Girl" and "So Small."
The Urban-Underwood stage lends itself to interactive concerts. A catwalk extends off the main stage with a smaller round stage out in the middle of the crowd. And apparently there is a trap door or two where rock hits from the '80s are kept because Underwood disappeared into the floor and emerged seconds later with a silver jacket and Guns 'N Roses' "Paradise City."
"Before He Cheats," Underwood's anthem for women who have been wronged, rounded out her performance.Following an intermission, the lights went down and the echo of a heartbeat filled the arena. The opening notes of "Where the Blacktop Ends" began to play as a smiling, laid-back Urban emerged from behind the stage. A massive screen gave the audience an up-close look of the Aussie superstar. It's obvious that Urban relishes his time in front of a crowd, treating them to extended guitar solos on live versions of the songs they sing along with on the radio. His two-hour set consisted of rollercoaster-like ups and downs with Urban floating effortlessly from country superstar with happy-go-lucky anthems to a tortured artist hitting keys on his piano to a guy who likes to play straight-up rockers. After acoustic versions of hits "Raining on Sunday" and "Stupid Boy," he and the band took to the center stage where he quipped, "I must apologize for the view behind us." (For the record, no one was complaining.) They gave a front-row perspective to the often neglected crowd in the back of arenas while playing "You're My Better Half," "Picture of Us" and "You'll Think of Me." The band took its place back on the main stage as Urban broke into the Tom Petty-Stevie Nicks hit, "Stop Draggin' My Heart Around." Underwood, bringing her red high-heeled boots along for the party, reappeared onstage to turn the song into a duet. She worked the catwalk while Urban taught the crowd a thing or two about playing the guitar. In another collaborative effort, Urban finished out "I Told You So" with the hometown drum section from Georgia Tech. During "You Look Good in My Shirt," Urban sang and played his way into the crowd and gave a young woman in the audience the guitar right off his back. Time and time again, Urban used his rock skills to rip through intros of classic rock hits like "Honky Tonk Woman," "Back in Black" and "Sweet Home Alabama" while also breathing new life into his own music. Working his way through his Greatest Hits album, the show came to a close with "Somebody Like You," and the crowd immediately demanded an encore. Returning to his seat at the piano, he dedicated "Got It Right This Time" to his wife, Nicole Kidman. Closing with "Better Life," heart-shaped confetti blanketed the crowd. The man of the hour stood with his band to take a bow before an audience that was begging for more, ensuring once again that the Urban legend will continue.
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Post by fischbone on Apr 25, 2008 18:06:04 GMT -5
Well so much for that then...lol
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Post by tsharky on Apr 25, 2008 19:36:12 GMT -5
^ well maybe he cancelled the engagement and will still be with keith. :) one can dream. :) Here is a clip from the keith/carrie duet in Atlanta: at the end- carrie does something new with the song to close it...or at least new to me. It is sort of a riff like she did at the grammys. I like it! :) has she been doing this lately? www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CPlx0IdW6E
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Post by TimeFlies on Apr 25, 2008 19:54:25 GMT -5
^ well maybe he cancelled the engagement and will still be with keith. :) one can dream. :) Here is a clip from the keith/carrie duet in Atlanta: at the end- carrie does something new with the song to close it...or at least new to me. It is sort of a riff like she did at the grammys. I like it! :) has she been doing this lately? www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CPlx0IdW6Eyeah she has been riffing more and more in the last couple duets i've heard them do! i like it, its like she is challenging him vocals to guitar...sounds fantastic :)
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Post by sbp17 on Apr 25, 2008 20:07:15 GMT -5
Here's my take on the Carrie/Kellie/Miranda tour...
Only Reba can drag me to a bigger venue, higher priced concert regardless of who else, if anyone else, was on the ticket.
I will not hesitate to go see almost any artist whose music I generally enjoy at a smaller venue, lower priced concert.
To get me to see a non-Reba bigger venue, higher priced concert, there have to be two artists I enjoy. Carrie and Josh would have done that for me had they come close. Carrie and Brad, Carrie and Kenny, Carrie and Keith would not have drawn me as Carrie is the only one in those pairs whose music I really enjoy.
I enjoy Miranda enough that I would go to this concert if it came within driving distance. Unfortunately, the presence of Kellie almost counters Miranda. I think Kellie is incredibly sweet and charming but does not produce music that I could tolerate sitting through. Still, Carrie with Miranda would be enough to draw me to this concert especially since I haven't seen Carrie yet.
I would really enjoy Carrie, Miranda, and Rissi or Carrie, Miranda and Julianne.
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Post by zaclord on Apr 25, 2008 20:36:21 GMT -5
i just saw this posted on the main page of CMT on the slideshow and i thought it said the video for "Last Name" and i freaked out
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Post by stuffy on Apr 25, 2008 20:39:00 GMT -5
Here's another part of DFTRM from yesterday. It's still not the full thing. It's the end. She tried really hard to finish but just couldn't. There's a dadgummit in there too. youtube.com/watch?v=jkjkByeg8BEHow was she supposed to get it under control with the crowd cheering for her like that. It's what got her teared up to begin with. :) For those interested in the little things, she's number one (for now) on People's hot list with this story. I'm assuming it's the combo of the InStyle article info and now this that put her there. The fact that they are just now reporting about her getting choked up just shows how famous she's become. DFTRM has been choking her up for two years now, and it's just now in the news. www.people.com/people/static/h/package/top25celebrityhotlist/index.html?cid=redirect-top25/
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Post by jeff on Apr 25, 2008 20:53:52 GMT -5
^no one is not forgetting to remember her, thats for sure
i love the power runs shes doing at the end for SDMHA... i cannot express my gratitude to whoever decided to ditch umbrella for SDMHA in words.
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Post by tsharky on Apr 25, 2008 21:02:22 GMT -5
Here's another part of DFTRM from yesterday. It's still not the full thing. It's the end. She tried really hard to finish but just couldn't. There's a dadgummit in there too. youtube.com/watch?v=jkjkByeg8BEHow was she supposed to get it under control with the crowd cheering for her like that. It's what got her teared up to begin with. :) wow--- she really had it bad! lol I hope everything is ok. :)
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Post by jeff on Apr 25, 2008 21:14:06 GMT -5
I am sure everything is ok. :) she prolly started thinking about the wonderful things. the reports mentioned she was in a great spirit for the show. its just one of those moments that hit her. as you all know, she says she always wonders what she has done to deserve all of this, and i really believe she means that when she says that. im not too surprised this actually happened, having seen her choke up and control her emotions during DFTRM at a couple of concerts i've attended.
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