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Post by drock89 on Jul 7, 2008 21:04:44 GMT -5
hahaha SBMGN found this thread and asked for the pictures to be removed. Really, some people in that office need to find better things to do!
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Post by S4C on Jul 7, 2008 21:35:44 GMT -5
It's OK, I'll just go to my Temporary Internet files if I want to see them. ;)
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Post by jeff on Jul 7, 2008 21:48:49 GMT -5
I think we have similar tastes (teams AAG and JAD! ), I don't have any particular issues with most of his videos except SS and JTTW, but I definitely think Carrie should try other directors to see what's out there. She deserves the best and how can she know what is the best if she doesn't even try working with different people? I have the same fears with Mark Bright, Hillary Lindsey, etc., like there's this Nashville mafia of people Carrie is comfortable working with that isolate her and will prevent her from growing to her full potential as an artist. well, this could be the if-it-works-don't-fix-it syndrome, which is something i never subscribe too. i definitely think carrie is too talented and versatile to confine herself to that inner circle. if she was a one-dimensional singer who had major success based on a formula, then yea, i can see why theyd stick to the same formula. as crazy as this sounds, i really think we still can see a lot more growth in her. but then, working with the same folks does not necessarily mean it will stunt her growth either, as long as everyone is willing to take the constructive feedback then again, who knows. maybe its most important to her to enjoy making her videos, and its pretty obvious she enjoys working with roman. maybe she's getting what she wants working with him. i for one think carrie made his career. anyone heard of him before carrie???
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Jul 7, 2008 21:58:41 GMT -5
hahaha SBMGN found this thread and asked for the pictures to be removed. Really, some people in that office need to find better things to do! Actually, the removal was preemptive on my part. Seems the label was contacting multiple message board owners with a request to remove the pictures, and I would just as soon Pulse not be on their radar for this. Anyway, back on topic...I'd like to see Carrie working with a director who has more visual imagination than Roman White. He seems to have his stock lighting and color schemes and his stock camera angles...not that they do a bad job showcasing Carrie, but I feel like the end result relies too much on Carrie's beauty and charm, without doing enough to simultaneously showcase the song. I find that I haven't typically had an issue with Roman White's treatments (at least in principle; and this is assuming they are his and not some collaborative effort with Carrie or someone else). But the flow of his videos can be a bit off. There's not a video of his that I would consider excellent. Generally, I would say he gets a decent video out there, but I usually have the sense that there was an opportunity or three missed. I still think Roman White's best Carrie video from the standpoint of flow and selling-of-song is the one for DFtRM. BHC was fun but the cheap green screen stuff at the end distracted me in a bad way (plus the shooting of the truck destruction wasn't all that effective). A-AG was really charming, but that was really thanks to Carrie's goofiness. LN had its moments (especially Carrie's performance scenes), "Wasted" was fine (though I remember dva's really compelling critique of it). SS is one of those videos with a really great treatment but less than compelling execution, in my view. And I think fondly of the "Ever, Ever After" video, though mostly because I thought the animation bookends were cool and the guy who played Carrie's Prince Charming was cute. In any case, my favorite Carrie video to this day, and the one I consider most powerful, is the one for "I'll Stand By You." And that's the one Carrie video that Roman White has had nothing to do with. So I'm trying to keep my expectations in check for the JaD video, and hope that it's not one of those overly ambitious efforts that goes wrong. i definitely think carrie is too talented and versatile to confine herself to that inner circle. if she was a one-dimensional singer who had major success based on a formula, then yea, i can see why theyd stick to the same formula. as crazy as this sounds, i really think we still can see a lot more growth in her. but then, working with the same folks does not necessarily mean it will stunt her growth either, as long as everyone is willing to take the constructive feedback I'm pretty sure I've said this before, but I get the feeling that Carrie has wanted to stick to people with whom she is comfortable in the early phase of her career and development, as she finds her footing artistically and personally. I almost feel like she is more likely to take a few chances and push herself out of her comfort zone if she is among people she already trusts. The question is how vast the imaginations of the people around her are, and how much they will be willing to challenge her as time goes on. Hopefully, no one is going to get comfortable to the point of complacent.
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Post by zaclord on Jul 7, 2008 22:11:45 GMT -5
It's OK, I'll just go to my Temporary Internet files if I want to see them. ;) haha i already saved them but i wonder why they dont want leaked pictures out?
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Post by S4C on Jul 7, 2008 22:21:22 GMT -5
It's OK, I'll just go to my Temporary Internet files if I want to see them. ;) haha i already saved them but i wonder why they dont want leaked pictures out? Because.. they're leaked?
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Post by kevin59 on Jul 8, 2008 9:16:49 GMT -5
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Post by jeff on Jul 8, 2008 10:40:38 GMT -5
Anyway, back on topic...I'd like to see Carrie working with a director who has more visual imagination than Roman White. He seems to have his stock lighting and color schemes and his stock camera angles...not that they do a bad job showcasing Carrie, but I feel like the end result relies too much on Carrie's beauty and charm, without doing enough to simultaneously showcase the song. I find that I haven't typically had an issue with Roman White's treatments (at least in principle; and this is assuming they are his and not some collaborative effort with Carrie or someone else). But the flow of his videos can be a bit off. There's not a video of his that I would consider excellent. Generally, I would say he gets a decent video out there, but I usually have the sense that there was an opportunity or three missed. I still think Roman White's best Carrie video from the standpoint of flow and selling-of-song is the one for DFtRM. BHC was fun but the cheap green screen stuff at the end distracted me in a bad way (plus the shooting of the truck destruction wasn't all that effective). A-AG was really charming, but that was really thanks to Carrie's goofiness. LN had its moments (especially Carrie's performance scenes), "Wasted" was fine (though I remember dva's really compelling critique of it). SS is one of those videos with a really great treatment but less than compelling execution, in my view. And I think fondly of the "Ever, Ever After" video, though mostly because I thought the animation bookends were cool and the guy who played Carrie's Prince Charming was cute. In any case, my favorite Carrie video to this day, and the one I consider most powerful, is the one for "I'll Stand By You." And that's the one Carrie video that Roman White has had nothing to do with. So I'm trying to keep my expectations in check for the JaD video, and hope that it's not one of those overly ambitious efforts that goes wrong. i definitely think carrie is too talented and versatile to confine herself to that inner circle. if she was a one-dimensional singer who had major success based on a formula, then yea, i can see why theyd stick to the same formula. as crazy as this sounds, i really think we still can see a lot more growth in her. but then, working with the same folks does not necessarily mean it will stunt her growth either, as long as everyone is willing to take the constructive feedback I'm pretty sure I've said this before, but I get the feeling that Carrie has wanted to stick to people with whom she is comfortable in the early phase of her career and development, as she finds her footing artistically and personally. I almost feel like she is more likely to take a few chances and push herself out of her comfort zone if she is among people she already trusts. The question is how vast the imaginations of the people around her are, and how much they will be willing to challenge her as time goes on. Hopefully, no one is going to get comfortable to the point of complacent. dudley, i agree with your assessment of Roman's videos for carrie, and that they depend on her beauty and her acting to make the video work, and those are the reasons for their 'success'. i'll say this again, they have had the success they had not because of Roman, but because he is part of the team, some give him the credit. i'll reference my Rex Grossman example again... that the Bears reached the superbowl not because of his contribution, but they couldnt cut him because they won like what 14 games that year... i'm also keeping my expectations for JAD in check, and it amuses me somewhat reading so many fans ready to proclaim it as video of the year materialalready, just based on a fewscreencaps... i also have said many times, the video that i think roman did best for Carrie is DFTRM. i also agree with your thought that it'll most likely depend on the people around Carrie to push her to try some different approaches/directions in the music she makes.in that sense, keeping with the same people will not be a 'death sentence' as some people have expressed. the next album should be a good indication.
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Post by carriefan0209 on Jul 8, 2008 11:26:19 GMT -5
My favorite video from Carrie is actually So Small. I know that is generally the least liked, but I loved the concept as Carrie as a guardian angel. Plus, aside from Wasted, SS's message is my favorite.
I definitely think Just a Dream has a great chance to be a FANTASTIC video, if only because the lyrics are so poignant and universal. As evidenced by this thread, fans have many different interpretations, and if the video can effectively tie in the gist of the song without being too "Roman", then this *could* be her best video. The screenshots look promising, but that just be due to how damn photogenic Carrie is! haha
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Post by carrieidol1 on Jul 8, 2008 11:28:27 GMT -5
My favorite video from Carrie is actually So Small. I know that is generally the least liked, but I loved the concept as Carrie as a guardian angel. Plus, aside from Wasted, SS's message is my favorite. I definitely think Just a Dream has a great chance to be a FANTASTIC video, if only because the lyrics are so poignant and universal. As evidenced by this thread, fans have many different interpretations, and if the video can effectively tie in the gist of the song without being too "Roman", then this *could* be her best video. The screenshots look promising, but that just be due to how damn photogenic Carrie is! haha Me too, SS was my favorite video...and has anyone noticed that the Good Time video by Alan Jackson was filmed on teh same road that SS was filmed on??
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Post by countryqueen on Jul 8, 2008 13:49:41 GMT -5
All this talk of what the video might be like is confusing me as to what actually happens in the song...I hope someone from Carrie's camp posts a message somewhere explaining it...And on a random note, there was a video for I'll Stand By you?!
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Post by tsharky on Jul 8, 2008 15:30:25 GMT -5
^ Idol gives Back did a special charity video for I'll Stand By You-- that you could buy on itunes. It is on youtube now so you can see it. It is beautful and will make you cry-- as it is from when carrie went to /south Africa to visit the children for Idol Gives Back.
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Post by countryqueen on Jul 8, 2008 16:07:23 GMT -5
^ok. i have the mp3, but didn't know about a video. i'll have to search for it.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Jul 8, 2008 17:46:08 GMT -5
^ok. i have the mp3, but didn't know about a video. i'll have to search for it. you probably already did this, but youtube has it.
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Post by Lee on Jul 8, 2008 22:05:22 GMT -5
Arista is doing a brilliant job picking these singles.
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Post by tsharky on Jul 8, 2008 23:46:18 GMT -5
countryuniverse.wordpress.com/Wonderful review of JAD!!!! « Tuesday Open Thread: Hits That Should’ve BeenReview: Carrie Underwood, “Just a Dream” The music Carrie Underwood has released since her stunningly successful debut album has been an interesting contrast between commercial music recorded with a clear eye for radio and compelling cover songs recorded for charity. While Underwood has maintained her winning streak at country radio with a trio of #1 hits from her sophomore set, those singles didn’t showcase her talent at delivering truly great material the way that her covers of “I’ll Stand By You” and “Praying For Time” did. “Just a Dream”, the new single from Carnival Ride, illustrates just how bone-chillingly good a vocalist she is when the material is on level with her talent. It’s a powerful story song about a young widow attending the funeral of her husband, a fallen soldier. Underwood’s vocal is masterful, effective at communicating all of the conflicting emotions, ranging from anger and desperation to distance and denial. That’s a difficult thing to do, communicating personal feeling while singing in the third person, and Underwood does it as well enough here to be mentioned in the same breath as Reba McEntire. After a year of good songs that Underwood was able to turn into great records with her vocal talents, it’s no surprise that when given a great song, it’s one of the year’s best singles. Written by Hillary Lindsey, Steve McEwan & Gordie Sampson Grade: A Listen: Just a Dream
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Post by kim8 on Jul 9, 2008 9:32:05 GMT -5
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Post by carriefan0209 on Jul 9, 2008 10:59:07 GMT -5
I like that review about vocals, but the part when he analyzes the song bugs the crap out of me. He completely interpreted the lyrics in the wrong way...not realizing that the first verse is the "dream" and keeping it all in chronological time. He really missed the boat.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Jul 9, 2008 11:13:55 GMT -5
I like that review about vocals, but the part when he analyzes the song bugs the crap out of me. He completely interpreted the lyrics in the wrong way...not realizing that the first verse is the "dream" and keeping it all in chronological time. He really missed the boat. Yeah he did, he confused the hell out of me when I first read it! The song is not that hard to understand, maybe it takes a few listens...but it really isn't hard to realize that she is at the funeral dreaming/remembering (not sure yet) the wedding, wishing he was back.
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Post by mattmoll6690 on Jul 9, 2008 11:19:38 GMT -5
I like that review about vocals, but the part when he analyzes the song bugs the crap out of me. He completely interpreted the lyrics in the wrong way...not realizing that the first verse is the "dream" and keeping it all in chronological time. He really missed the boat. I know! I read it and was completely shell shocked that he got it all wrong. How can someone listen to the song four times and not understand the first verse? The person who wrote this baffles me. First, he doesn't even talk about the song, bashes it, and then gives it a thumbs up! ??? I think the only reason that he gave it a thumbs up is the fact that she can sing beautifully to "messed up" lyrics (as he calls them). Sorry for the rant! :(
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Post by sbp17 on Jul 9, 2008 16:28:58 GMT -5
There was a whole page of posts from Carrie fans in one of the threads here at Pulse (either this one or the album thread) trying to understand the lyrics to the first verse. I don't necessarily share the reviewers same interpretation but the lyrics do lend themselves to confusion. Many of the Carrie fans were hoping the video would clear it up.
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Post by carriefan0209 on Jul 10, 2008 0:49:44 GMT -5
This blog review seems to have a better grasp on the lyrics: Single Scoop: Carrie Underwood, “Just A Dream” News has leaked on Carrie Underwood’s upcoming single release (the fourth from Carnival Ride). The song’s heartbreaking narrative chronicles a young married woman’s mourning of her recently-deceased soldier husband, but with something of a twist: the hazy first verse transitions from recollections of her wedding day to her present setting, her husband’s funeral. Let it be said loud and clear that the first verse is confusing if you try to follow it literally, as I did - and it doesn’t help that the second verse, structured completely the same in every other way, is itself completely literal. But despite the frustrating inconsistencies, the song’s sensitive subject is interpreted with striking lyrical grace by writers Gordie Sampson, Steven McEwan and Hillary Lindsey, especially in the detailed verses. Still, there are a few other hitches to the song and this recording that hinder my full appreciation of this release. The melodic structure of the chorus sounds (to my ears, at least) like it could have been lifted out of a teen-pop song, which is hardly fitting given the subject matter. The production is a bit overzealous throughout and sometimes distracts from the vocal. And what of that vocal? Underwood is a phenomenal talent, but her interpretation on this particular track ventures from sound to tasteless. She carries the verses along well and bellows just powerfully enough on the first two choruses, but when the final reprise of the chorus comes around, she actually growls the phrase “I’ll never know” before proceeding into a string of senseless glory notes and melismas, and the meaning of the song gets lost in the bombast. Still, for what it does right, it’s easily the strongest single yet from Carnival Ride, and certainly showcases Underwood’s potential for greatness. Grade: B+ squintydans.wordpress.com/2008/07/08/single-scoop-carrie-underwood-just-a-dream/
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Post by countryqueen on Jul 10, 2008 12:28:52 GMT -5
^thank you for that. it helps me understand a little better. but i definitely don't agree with their grade, I give this song an A+!! this is the first Carrie single this album i find no fault with!!! hahaha if you guys remember my tift with Last Name, you will not hear me complaining about this single, even if the video isn't exactly what I imagine..
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Post by kim8 on Jul 10, 2008 13:33:39 GMT -5
So I don't even know how to interpret this song at all after reading all the comments and articles. I went and listened to it a few times and I can't make sense of it either. It's driving me crazy. I'm sure the song wasn't meant to be analyzed to death, lol.
So my thoughts are that it is dreamlike all over, where things don't have to make much sense. The first verse really confused me about her going to the church. I can see her flashing back and thinking of her wedding night. The next part talks about his box of letters on the seat like maybe she's in the present now and riding to the funeral, but is mixing her images with wedding stuff and funeral stuff. I think the veil she lifts when she walks in could be like a black funeral veil widows sometimes wear, again mixing the wedding veil imagery in one. Then it all hits her and the rest is the funeral.
Then again maybe she is just dreaming the whole thing, which is why it is just a dream, and everything is mixed up. Maybe he is away at war and she dreams something happened to him.
I don't know. I need to stop worrying about this and wait for the video, lol. :)
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Post by _adriano. on Jul 10, 2008 19:04:57 GMT -5
I think Carrie herself sings the answer for all of our questions about the lyrics: this is just a dream.
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Post by EmersonDrive13Rocks on Jul 10, 2008 20:30:01 GMT -5
I thought I had the meaning to the lyrics to this figured out but now I don't because everyone is so confused it is confusing me.
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Post by zaclord on Jul 10, 2008 21:44:47 GMT -5
^same. i am 100% confused about it all now.
and if it is all just a dream in the end. i will like the song 500 times less. it makes the emotion meaningless and really the song a pointless joke. i will be VERY angry if she is just dreaming in the end.
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Post by S4C on Jul 10, 2008 21:55:00 GMT -5
Maybe it's just me.. but that seems very likely to happen... (I was going to say "that screams Roman," but I don't follow video directors that much and only know of Carrie's videos, really.)
Anyways, this is probably my favorite Carrie single to date. The lyrics are obviously making people think, and as "teen-pop" as the melody may be, I love it. (Now I will not be shocked if this misses #1...)
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Post by gcizvolsfan on Jul 10, 2008 21:58:44 GMT -5
What is the record for number of pages in a thread before a song is actually released? This is on page 8 so it has to be in the running.
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Post by zaclord on Jul 10, 2008 22:09:21 GMT -5
Maybe it's just me.. but that seems very likely to happen... (I was going to say "that screams Roman," but I don't follow video directors that much and only know of Carrie's videos, really.) Anyways, this is probably my favorite Carrie single to date. The lyrics are obviously making people think, and as "teen-pop" as the melody may be, I love it. (Now I will not be shocked if this misses #1...) UGH NO!!!!! i will hate you forever if you are right >:( >:( >:( and if Roman ruins this song for me... ooh i will be quite angry. this video better be amazing and be REAL! and you won't be surprised if it doesn't go #1 ???
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