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Post by bluepuma on Aug 10, 2008 19:50:27 GMT -5
Are other people hearing cahill, freemasons, seamus haji, junior vasquez and wideboys out at the clubs and NOT hearing tony, peter, hex, rosabel, ralphi etc? I was in a gay club last night and heard cahill, freemasons, seamus haji, wideboys, hex and ralphi.
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Post by mikey32086 on Aug 10, 2008 20:50:41 GMT -5
i go to the best gay clubs in atlanta (and i think we can all agree that atlanta is a city with a reputably good gay scene) and it is practically inevitable that in an evening i will hear something by offer, tony, peter, rosabel, eddie, tracy, friscia & lamboy, chris cox, among others. sure, i hear songs by freemasons, haji, jody, kaskade, dave aude, dirty south, etc....all great DJs! i think it is fair to say that different sounds are characteristic of different djs, but all in all, they are all able to be liked by whomever pleases! let's stop the hate and embrace that different DJs cater to different crowds....and none is superior than the other.
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Post by A.D.A.M. on Aug 10, 2008 21:21:17 GMT -5
I feel like Ralphi, Tony, Junior, are legends and still produce some amazing stuff. Like most DJ's sometimes they can have flawless mixes and other times its like wtf where they thinking. I feel like the new younger crowd doesn't know much of Ralphi, Tony, Junior, etc. I know for me, I was the same way until one of my DJ friends started to introduce me to Ralphi, Tony, Junior, Thunderpuss, Hex, etc. Before then I use to be a Chris Cox and Jason Nevins kind of guy because thats all I knew. I respect the older producers and I feel like they will never be replaced. But I also think that the new talent is doing some amazing stuff. Like I said before, people tend to like these producer/DJs more because they are the ones remixing everything, this is what young people are dancing to at the clubs or listening to on XM or whatever. But we all have different taste in music...this is just MY opinion. :)
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Living in the San Francisco bay area, I have heard all sorts of stuff played in the different clubs. I began going to clubs when I was 14 (had a fake ID and my group knew how to sneak us in through backdoors and bathrooms). That was in the late 90's. And there were some clubs that had "teen nights." I first got into Dance music in '92.
A lot of what I heard in the clubs was not the kinds of music you may usually hear in a circuit club. In '99, I heard stuff by Soulsearcher, Armand Van Helden, 95 North, Mousse T, Todd Terry, Ralphi Rosario and Soul Solution, and more. A lot of House records that was coming out of Europe and the UK got a good amount of play here.
Two local Rhythmic stations played Dance music in their mixshows and even outside them sometimes in the event of a crossover.
Some of the station's mixshow DJs would play some of the club nights including a few gay ones. They would play that type of stuff I mentioned before plus 80's freestyle, hi-nrg, and Latin house. Most of them would play Hip Hop sometimes. It was a real moodkiller when it was a house night and all of a sudden they begin to play Juvenile or Jay-Z.
Thunderpuss was the one remixer whose work was really heard here. I didn't go to all of the clubs all the time so I can't speak for those. But some of the people I knew liked them too and they said they heard their mixes very regularly. The Amber, Whitney, Louchie Lou/Michie One and Britney ones were the ones that got a good amount of play. I heard those particular ones many times.
Around the turn of the new century, Trance music began to get more play. Music by artists like Alice Deejay, DJ Jean, Darude, Gouryella, Airscape, and Nalin & Kane was getting played on the radio and in the clubs.
After 9/11, I noticed a shift. I didn't go out to clubs as often as school was keeping me busy and I had begun to DJ. The music I heard was a lot more House-oriented, aside from that one station's DJs' music. Of course, when guest DJs would come, their respective music would be played.
There was a rave party and outdoor circuit party scene for a while too. I only attended such events a few times because I didn't like the atmosphere (it was possible to find syringes and condoms littered in the venue, really gross). Lots of major DJs would come to those. The local theme park would do those "Gay Days" type events.
Some of those clubs I used to go to closed and/or different events began to happen that didn't have the kind of music I was into. Between 2003 and about 2005, I didn't go out as much as the clubs I liked played only Hip Hop/Rap music most of the time. Of course they would play other stuff on different events, but a lot of those events were happening on weeknights.
At this point, I was DJing regularly and I did play some circuit type stuff at more gay-centric gatherings, but for the most part, I was doing school events and house parties where I basically had to play Hip Hop/Pop/Rock stuff. I played some of what was being played on the Rhythmic and Dance station's playlists. I would play Dance mixes of non-Dance stuff as well. For the most part, the crowds responded fine.
In the last few years, more of the circuit DJs like Tony Moran, DJ Paulo, Junior Vasquez, Peter Rauhofer and even Offer Nissim come to SF every so often. Hex Hector and Manny Lehman supposedly came earlier this year but I heard the events were not that good. The SF circuit scene is getting better.
There are some gay clubs in the area now that actually play this kind of music. Digital Dog, Kaskade, Seamus Haji, Fedde LeGrand and SoulSeekerz mixes get played here too as that type of sound thrives here.
In the last few years, I have rarely heard a Junior, Rauhofer or Offer Nissim mix out during the last year though. A few DJs I talked to say that they avoid those mixers because they feel you need to be so tweaked out and out of your head in order to even begin to enjoy their music.
Now that there's a Dance station in SF, they put on events as well and that helps the scene too.
Despite not hearing a lot of traditional circuit stuff on radio or in the clubs, I discovered a lot of music on my own by both buying stuff based on who mixed it and/or what was on the compilations. I was always into Dance mixes of non-Dance stuff. The mixed comps some of the big name DJs did often turned me on to lots of new music.
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Post by moranfan on Aug 11, 2008 1:16:16 GMT -5
so tonight i went to two very different venues. i went to a tea dance that was straight up circuit and i heard all the things youd expect including thunderpuss("no more drama") and other old things like hex's mix of "im outta love" and chris cox "im addicted."
then i went to the big gay club here-it's one of the 18+ nights and it turns into hip hop late(the club is open til 4.) i got there at ten and the dj was playing lots of tony moran and also things like "i wish i didnt miss u anymore"(hex mix.) it doesnt get crowded til later, but people were dancing. i certainly was. i just got home at 1 am and it was packed and the dj was playing things like ralphi's mix of "promiscuous" and " when i grow up." the kids just like mainstream stuff the can sing along too. he also played the TP mix of "lady marmalade" and the 18 year olds were as excited to hear it as i was back when it came out! I had to leave before the hip hop stuff started, but i def did not hear anything but straight up tony moran, hex, TP, ralphi, etc. didn't hear any rauhofer, but i know they would have danced to his mixes of "gimme more" "4 minutes" "say it right" "sexy back" etc. bottom line, they dont know dance music and want anything that they know from radio.
all in all, i would actually say the circuit tea dance probably had more euro sounding stuff than the 18+ gay club! granted the circuit dj usually spins at the bath house, so he is kinda D list, but he even played the freemasons mix of "ring the alarm"(although it was a mashup with some song i've never heard.) come to think of it, the only freemasons song i've heard in a circuit context is "ring the alarm"-i've heard tony and manny play it before.
Bottom line: NO ONE is being replaced! all those circuit djs are still being represented every time I go out
but back to the original topoc of this thread, I am not hearing much stuff from 2008 other than say madonna and britney and other very mainstream stuff like PCD, rihanna and danity kane. as i said before, Lady GaGa is coming next week(for free) to perform her one song and none of the staff of the club even knows who she is. the DJ reluctantly played her video just so one of the managers would know who's coming next week. I feel like djs are starting to play a lot of older stuff bc of the lack of new stuff in 2008(and stuff from 2001 is more accepted than stuff from 2007 since the oversaturation point is over.)
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Post by Chaotic Kissed A Pinkch! on Aug 11, 2008 13:33:27 GMT -5
I think you guys missed the point when mikey compared the DJ's of circuit past with those of dance floor present.
Yes, there are many gay bars across the land still spinning Tony, Junior, Hex etc. but at least from where I'm sitting these guys are rarely being commissioned to remix new work. Many of Junior's mixes haven't even been picked up by the label. I'm sure someone's gonna freak out and say they choose not to work as much, but in that case there has to be room for a successor because the DJ has themselves, allowed it.
While there's never going to be another Thunderpuss or Tony Moran, there are fresher remixers in today's dance scene who are consistently turning out quality, floor igniting work that TP, TM, Hex were doing back at their peak, many of which are obviously still being played today. However, remixes by the Freemasons, Seamus Haji, Linus Loves, Dave Aude, Rafael Lelis, Bimbo Jones, Jody, Wideboys, Jeremy Word and even Nevins consistently pack floors around here amongst crowds of all ages. When I play Lelis' mix of Bleeding Love, Aude's mix of PCD, Word's mix of Feedback or even Nevins' mix of I Kissed A Girl or No Air, the older gays are dancing right alongside their younger counter-parts. Unfortunately, I haven't seen this in clubs that stick to that old-school dance sound (and sorry guys, no matter how old you may be, it is old-school dance) because the younger crowd isn't represented or catered to. It proves to me that even though the circuit "scene" may exist, there is life for former boyz with a 'z' outside of circuit "music".
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Post by moranfan on Aug 11, 2008 13:46:43 GMT -5
I think you guys missed the point when mikey compared the DJ's of circuit past with those of dance floor present. Yes, there are many gay bars across the land still spinning Tony, Junior, Hex etc. but at least from where I'm sitting these guys are rarely being commissioned to remix new work. Many of Junior's mixes haven't even been picked up by the label. I'm sure someone's gonna freak out and say they choose not to work as much, but in that case there has to be room for a successor because the DJ has themselves, allowed it. While there's never going to be another Thunderpuss or Tony Moran, there are fresher remixers in today's dance scene who are consistently turning out quality, floor igniting work that TP, TM, Hex were doing back at their peak, many of which are obviously still being played today. However, remixes by the Freemasons, Seamus Haji, Linus Loves, Dave Aude, Rafael Lelis, Bimbo Jones, Jody, Wideboys, Jeremy Word and even Nevins consistently pack floors around here amongst crowds of all ages. When I play Lelis' mix of Bleeding Love, Aude's mix of PCD, Word's mix of Feedback or even Nevins' mix of I Kissed A Girl or No Air, the older gays are dancing right alongside their younger counter-parts. Unfortunately, I haven't seen this in clubs that stick to that old-school dance sound (and sorry guys, no matter how old you may be, it is old-school dance) because the younger crowd isn't represented or catered to. It proves to me that even though the circuit "scene" may exist, there is life for former boyz with a 'z' outside of circuit "music". all the " " confuse me and i would argue that some of the circuit djs turn down commercial work bc they make more money spinning. it's not the days when the TP and hex made like $25,000 a mix! the circuit djs are still spinning a ton. peter may not have done a lot of mixes lately, but you don't get any higher profile than madonna and ok I think I just answered my own question that prompted my creation of this thread: there's not much money in the mixing anymore! probably bc so many people who claim to love dance music just steal it. There's def more money to be made in playing high profile gigs where they can make thousands of dollars in 5 hours. Not that it should be all about the money, but they can afford to do private/unreleased mixes and only share them with their loyal fans who show up to hear them live! alright, the thread can be closed now! thanks to everyone(well almost everyone) who posted!
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Post by Chaotic Kissed A Pinkch! on Aug 11, 2008 14:30:09 GMT -5
For someone who wants the thread closed so desperately you have an awful lot to say on the subject. Typical of you though to stir the pot and then act like everyone else is ridiculous for feeling passionately. This should've been locked when the first ludicrous post was made. Instead, when people are having civilized discussions that a relevant to the topic "the thread can be closed now". And the whole "probably bc so many people who claim to love dance music just steal it." Pot. Kettle. Black.
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Post by moranfan on Aug 11, 2008 14:58:23 GMT -5
For someone who wants the thread closed so desperately you have an awful lot to say on the subject. Typical of you though to stir the pot and then act like everyone else is ridiculous for feeling passionately. This should've been locked when the first ludicrous post was made. Instead, when people are having civilized discussions that a relevant to the topic "the thread can be closed now". And the whole "probably bc so many people who claim to love dance music just steal it." Pot. Kettle. Black. you are way out of line. WAY. always with the personal attacks. you've made it very clear you hate me for some reason, but making up lies is a new low. HOW DARE YOU say i steal music though. I spend so much money on music. Ask users on here like michaelangelo, quasi and glitterjunkie. Ask Jeff @ perfectbeat! I buy promos off of ebay if I cant them at work for free. I have hundreds of cd singles. Often times I buy a digital download and then buy the hard copy once its released. an example of this is tony moran's recent mix of "turn it up." Got it on masterbeat when it first came out and now I have it on cdr from perfectbeat. Every released song on my itunes I have bought if it's available on cd! Even if the DJs or labels themselves have given them to me because of work with justcircuit, I still support them. Star69 sent me all peter's mixes of "4 minutes" but I bought one of the mixes on itunes in additon to having the promo cd. Of course some songs were only leaked and I have those. Tony's mix of "Into the West" by Annie Lennox for example. I'd buy it in a heartbeat if it was released. Speaking of Tony, he recently couldn'y find his copy of "Daylight" by new life crisis and wanted to play it at disney, so i brought it to him and let him keep it...and bought myself a new copy. While I will never buy vinyl, I have over 400 masxsingles/promos and I also recently acquired a lot of the promo only dance record pool mainstream club series from 1998-2004. Trust me, you'd be jealous of my collection. now discogs has huge holes in it so my complete collection is not listed, but you can go visit my discogs page and it'll give you a taste of what i'm talking about. the sn's shinydiscojoe
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Post by Chromeozone on Aug 11, 2008 16:24:15 GMT -5
Locking because this has veered way off-topic. I don't understand why most of this forum can't seem to avoid rampant personal attacks.
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Post by moranfan on Aug 11, 2008 17:08:11 GMT -5
thank you!!!! :)
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Post by Deuce on Aug 11, 2008 18:06:57 GMT -5
Isn't this typical? Same poster/member stirs trouble and when the other members see right through it... he cries foul and plays the victim! How much longer do we have to keep up with this? This has been going on for too long. Many good members that used to be post here quite often have long left this board for this same reason. A certain member and his board "friend(s)" (or is it just the same person, who knows?) stir up trouble and monopolise this board, replying to almost every topic, without contributing anything of substance and/or relevance. Just take a look at the Leona Lewis thread... utter joke! Now take a look a this thread... what was the point? It was a one-sided thread from the start. And then, when the more level-headed members (the few ones left anyway) clearly did not agree, then this thread's author goes in on the attack, and at the end, plays the victim. Why is it OK for this particular member and his "friends" to trash ALL the remixers they dislike, but it is not OK to criticise the remixers they revere? And we all know who these remixers are: Tony Moran, Offer Nissim, Peter Rauhofer, Junior Vasquez, and -insert amateur remixer's name here-. You CAN NOT have it both ways! How much longer do we have to put up with this?
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Post by moranfan on Aug 11, 2008 18:53:37 GMT -5
Isn't this typical? Same poster/member stirs trouble and when the other members see right through it... he cries foul and plays the victim! How much longer do we have to keep up with this? This has been going on for too long. Many good members that used to be post here quite often have long left this board for this same reason. A certain member and his board "friend(s)" (or is it just the same person, who knows?) stir up trouble and monopolise this board, replying to almost every topic, without contributing anything of substance and/or relevance. Just take a look at the Leona Lewis thread... utter joke! Now take a look a this thread... what was the point? It was a one-sided thread from the start. And then, when the more level-headed members (the few ones left anyway) clearly did not agree, then this thread's author goes in on the attack, and at the end, plays the victim. Why is it OK for this particular member and his "friends" to trash ALL the remixers they dislike, but it is not OK to criticise the remixers they revere? And we all know who these remixers are: Tony Moran, Offer Nissim, Peter Rauhofer, Junior Vasquez, and -insert amateur remixer's name here-. You CAN NOT have it both ways! How much longer do we have to put up with this? I'll just pretend like this 100% personal attack never happened since the mod wants it locked. Hopefully, it will be soon...I emailed him again
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Post by Chromeozone on Aug 11, 2008 18:55:33 GMT -5
Isn't this typical? Same poster/member stirs trouble and when the other members see right through it... he cries foul and plays the victim! How much longer do we have to keep up with this? This has been going on for too long. Many good members that used to be post here quite often have long left this board for this same reason. A certain member and his board "friend(s)" (or is it just the same person, who knows?) stir up trouble and monopolise this board, replying to almost every topic, without contributing anything of substance and/or relevance. Just take a look at the Leona Lewis thread... utter joke! Now take a look a this thread... what was the point? It was a one-sided thread from the start. And then, when the more level-headed members (the few ones left anyway) clearly did not agree, then this thread's author goes in on the attack, and at the end, plays the victim. Why is it OK for this particular member and his "friends" to trash ALL the remixers they dislike, but it is not OK to criticise the remixers they revere? And we all know who these remixers are: Tony Moran, Offer Nissim, Peter Rauhofer, Junior Vasquez, and -insert amateur remixer's name here-. You CAN NOT have it both ways! How much longer do we have to put up with this? As far as I know, the purpose of the ignore feature is to ignore members when you don't like their posts.
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Post by Chromeozone on Aug 11, 2008 19:01:00 GMT -5
BTW, no one here is an innocent party.
Just because someone is consistent in an opinion does not mean that he/she should be banned simply for disagreeing. When this disagreement crosses into personal attacks, however, is when a problem is created.
Conversely, to purposely stir trouble and then play the victim will not be tolerated, either.
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