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Post by P!nkch TheO™ on Oct 11, 2007 12:56:51 GMT -5
Sounds great! Can't wait to listen to the whole thing ... "In Pieces" especially!
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Post by atlantaboy on Oct 11, 2007 17:47:21 GMT -5
I don't think the difficulty of a word can ruin the chart success of any song... Inconsolable it's not a difficult one to understand. Songs with weirdest titles became huge hits in the past, like "Bootylicious", or "Macarena" just to name a few... Gotta disagree with that man...little kids and young teens can figure out what "Bootylicious" means but they have no idea what "Inconsolable" means - and "Macarena"'s a pretty big exception seein as how the whole song is in Spanish Also think it was a disadvantage comin after Incomplete by BSB, and after Irreplaceable and Undeniable
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Post by Sticky&Sweet™ on Oct 11, 2007 17:50:56 GMT -5
I don't think the difficulty of a word can ruin the chart success of any song... Inconsolable it's not a difficult one to understand. Songs with weirdest titles became huge hits in the past, like "Bootylicious", or "Macarena" just to name a few... Gotta disagree with that man...little kids and young teens can figure out what "Bootylicious" means but they have no idea what "Inconsolable" means - and "Macarena"'s a pretty big exception seein as how the whole song is in Spanish Also think it was a disadvantage comin after Incomplete by BSB, and after Irreplaceable and Undeniable Uhm. A "young teen" is 13/14 years old- and that'd put them in 8th or 9th grade. They aren't that stupid. They know what Inconsolable means.
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Post by Felicia on Oct 12, 2007 3:35:43 GMT -5
Atlantaboy has the weirdest theories in my opinion. I doubt the meaning of a song title will affect its chart performance. How do you explain 'Promiscuous'? Quite a bit of teenagers sure didn't know the meaning of it when it first came out. 'Inconsolable' is not a hard word anyway.
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Post by darkcloud on Oct 12, 2007 10:59:15 GMT -5
i like it the album looks great
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Post by Jul!an on Oct 12, 2007 15:04:53 GMT -5
AT 40:
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Post by Sticky&Sweet™ on Oct 12, 2007 15:36:03 GMT -5
Atlantaboy has the weirdest theories in my opinion. I doubt the meaning of a song title will affect its chart performance. How do you explain 'Promiscuous'? Quite a bit of teenagers sure didn't know the meaning of it when it first came out. 'Inconsolable' is not a hard word anyway. I'm sorry, but anyone who is a teenager and doesn't know what "Promiscuous" means.. then they have problems and need to maybe repeat some grades. Even early teens are 13/14 and in 8th and 9th grade. They know what these words mean.. and if they don't then they seriously need help.
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Post by atlantaboy on Oct 12, 2007 19:19:08 GMT -5
Atlantaboy has the weirdest theories in my opinion. I doubt the meaning of a song title will affect its chart performance. How do you explain 'Promiscuous'? Quite a bit of teenagers sure didn't know the meaning of it when it first came out. 'Inconsolable' is not a hard word anyway. I'm sorry, but anyone who is a teenager and doesn't know what "Promiscuous" means.. then they have problems and need to maybe repeat some grades. Even early teens are 13/14 and in 8th and 9th grade. They know what these words mean.. and if they don't then they seriously need help. Words like "Promiscuous" and "Bootylicious" are sexually-related meaning teens are gonna pick up on 'em "Inconsolable" is more like a word you'd see on a SAT vocab list - IMO big difference when in comes to teen pop music
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Post by atlantaboy on Oct 12, 2007 19:23:59 GMT -5
Atlantaboy has the weirdest theories in my opinion. Not necessary to personalize your opinions or generalize them against people - just state them...
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Post by atlantaboy on Oct 12, 2007 19:25:42 GMT -5
I don't intend to start an argument, but he's really obsessed with this word. Then don't personalize your attack against one person b/c that will start an argument
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Post by Kid Pulse on Oct 12, 2007 19:31:26 GMT -5
I agree with atlantaboy. I'm 16 and I don't know what inconsoloble means.
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Post by JCMF3 on Oct 12, 2007 22:26:06 GMT -5
"Macarena"'s a pretty big exception seein as how the whole song is in Spanish The radio version played was in English and Spanish (English for the verses - Spanish for the chorus).
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Post by Felicia on Oct 13, 2007 2:19:06 GMT -5
Atlantaboy has the weirdest theories in my opinion. I doubt the meaning of a song title will affect its chart performance. How do you explain 'Promiscuous'? Quite a bit of teenagers sure didn't know the meaning of it when it first came out. 'Inconsolable' is not a hard word anyway. I'm sorry, but anyone who is a teenager and doesn't know what "Promiscuous" means.. then they have problems and need to maybe repeat some grades. Even early teens are 13/14 and in 8th and 9th grade. They know what these words mean.. and if they don't then they seriously need help. LOL that's dramatic. So that can be applied to teens who doesn't know what 'Inconsolable' means. It's not a hard word and even if you're not sure of the meaning, you can somehow make it out because the word 'console' is in it. It's the same thing for 'irreplaceable'. Eh, why are we debating over this? Anyways, a song title will not affect a song's chart performance, or at least it won't play a huge factor. Either it's the meaning, bad grammar or short forms. I think the reason why this is flopping is simple because radio doesn't want BSB back.
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Post by atlantaboy on Oct 13, 2007 8:58:36 GMT -5
a song title will not affect a song's chart performance, or at least it won't play a huge factor. Either it's the meaning, bad grammar or short forms. I think the reason why this is flopping is simple because radio doesn't want BSB back. Sorry to keep repeatin this, but I'm a really big fan of this song so I think it's important... IMO the title of a song is a huge factor in its success, esp. if it's the hook of the whole song I don't think CHR has anythin against the Backstreet Boys bein back...their new sound is mature, and I really can't see any difference between the sound in this song and the sound in "What's Left Of Me" by Nick Lachey or "Beautiful Soul" by J. M. - yes the others have a guitar, but this has a piano (and the Backstreet Boys had a guitar in "I Want It That Way" anyway) Point is (I think) the title to this song and the way its sung are awkward and the chorus is mediocre compared to the verses which IMO are the highlight of the song I think the bottom line is...if this song came out as "Inconsolable" by Nick Carter (similar to Nick Lachey or Jesse McCartney's deal), it still would've had the same chart run
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Post by Player211 on Oct 13, 2007 9:16:17 GMT -5
^I agree !
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Post by Jul!an on Oct 13, 2007 11:40:45 GMT -5
I'm a huge fan of this song and the boys, but i think that it was a huge mistake going with this as the lead single of the new album, specially after "Incomplete". The fact that the song is a "piano driven power-ballad" doesn't help either! The title and the sound just show lack of originality! After hearing the already leaked songs and the 30 second snippets of the whole album i have to say that "Inconsolable" it's the weakest song of the record. And though i still love it and i think that is a extremely well crafted pop song, i have to agree with some of the critics labeling this as a B-rated version of "Incomplete". Yesterday i purchased the German edition of the single and i was stunned as i listened to it: the B-side, song "Close my eyes" it's a WAY BETTER SONG than "Inconsolable"!!! It's still a power-ballad but with a larger than life hook! So the BSB's misfortune in the charts this time around is the result of the wrong lead single choice, the lack of label support and management involvement ( no TV appearances in major shows with huge impact) and finally the lack of radio support! YES THEY DON'T WANT THEM BACK!!! I sad this before, if this song would've been sung by Soulja, Hurricane, Akon, T-Pain or you name it it would've been a huge hit! Bottom line is that it's not the name or the quality of the song is decisive, but the name of the artist!
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Post by darkcloud on Oct 13, 2007 11:49:25 GMT -5
weird im 18... i was student of a public brazilian school ...my english is not great... cause i just stud english in my school...no private school ...and I know what is "inconsoable"....
...but well... there is things that i just think is weird... like Alanis's Jagged Little Pill... but just take a look at dicionary and ok
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Post by Felicia on Oct 13, 2007 12:01:15 GMT -5
a song title will not affect a song's chart performance, or at least it won't play a huge factor. Either it's the meaning, bad grammar or short forms. I think the reason why this is flopping is simple because radio doesn't want BSB back. Sorry to keep repeatin this, but I'm a really big fan of this song so I think it's important... IMO the title of a song is a huge factor in its success, esp. if it's the hook of the whole song I don't think CHR has anythin against the Backstreet Boys bein back...their new sound is mature, and I really can't see any difference between the sound in this song and the sound in "What's Left Of Me" by Nick Lachey or "Beautiful Soul" by J. M. - yes the others have a guitar, but this has a piano (and the Backstreet Boys had a guitar in "I Want It That Way" anyway) Point is (I think) the title to this song and the way its sung are awkward and the chorus is mediocre compared to the verses which IMO are the highlight of the songI think the bottom line is...if this song came out as "Inconsolable" by Nick Carter (similar to Nick Lachey or Jesse McCartney's deal), it still would've had the same chart run Now that you elaborated the title issue, you have a point there. I still think that radio doesn't want BSB back. Even the reactions on different forums are negative, something like 'what they're still trying?' etc. 'Incomplete' has the same sound as 'Inconsolable', but the latter isn't doing as well. Perhaps the neutrals have moved on from the boybands era. There's no hype surrounding BSB anymore.
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Post by Jul!an on Oct 13, 2007 12:14:47 GMT -5
There's no hype surrounding BSB anymore. Creating hype is the record label's and the management's job! They don't support this project as they should! And it's such a shame b/c the album it's perfect! The heart and soul of every sale is PROMOTION!!! A little iTunes front page add could've done the job, but the label did not opened their pocket this time! Why? And why is that Jive put two of their leading acts head to head with their latest albums! Not a good sign for BSB! Times are a changing no one sells 10 million albums anymore, the industry changed big time since the 90's, but if the guys don't deliver this time Jive will drop them for sure!
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Post by Jul!an on Oct 13, 2007 14:05:07 GMT -5
NEW YORK (Billboard) - AJ McLean remembers the conversation well. Kevin Richardson was having doubts about his future in the Backstreet Boys, and one night in the dressing room after a 2005 show, he told his friends in the mega-selling boy band how he was feeling.
"There's some things I need to do first, for me," McLean recalled Richardson saying.
The group had been discussing "when we wanted to start recording again," McLean said. "Everyone was ready, but that was the first time Kevin put it out in the atmosphere that he wasn't."
The Boys needed some time to digest Richardson's news. In June 2006, he made the official statement that he was moving on to "pursue other interests." Although all were supportive of Richardson's decision, remaining Backstreet Boys McLean, Nick Carter, Howie Dorough and Brian Littrell were still left one man down. But according to McLean, replacing Richardson was never even an option. They turned down an offer to star in a reality show to find a new member, and opted against changing the group name to Backstreet. "This is a new band, but this is a brand, and it's the Backstreet Boys," McLean said.
Instead, the group resolved to make a new album as a quartet, and the result is "Unbreakable," due October 30 via Jive. It's a return to form of sorts for the band, with 13 songs of unmistakable Backstreet Boys-style group harmonies, upbeat dance numbers and hearts-on-their-sleeve midtempo ballads.
But how do the Backstreet Boys, the first, if not best, of the all-male pop groups to dominate the latter half of the '90s and early '00s, fit in among the roster of current hitmakers? The niche the group helped pioneer is slim, if not altogether nonexistent. Can they remain relevant to a new generation of consumers as well as to one-time fans who might have moved on?
"There are definitely some challenges, just because of some people who, especially in America, may look at the band" as just a boy band, said the group's current manager, Jeff Kwatinetz. "But I think that some of (the boy band) characterizations are wrong. They're singers, performers, songwriters."
TRANSITION GAME
This particular transition began for the Backstreet Boys with the 2005 album "Never Gone," released five years on from their chart-dominating pop glory days.
By that time, their boy band contemporaries had faded from the limelight, and their second acts were meeting with mixed results. Justin Timberlake found great solo success outside of 'N Sync, but 98 Degrees fizzled as group member Nick Lachey hawked his solo album on an MTV reality show and became tabloid fodder for his marriage to Jessica Simpson.
The Backstreet Boys had also been mired in management changes, legal battles with longtime label Jive and various personal issues, from McLean's drug addiction to Carter's flop solo debut.
So the group went a new route for "Never Gone," stepping away from slickly produced dance pop and taking a stab at the adult contemporary market with help from writers and producers like Max Martin, Mark Taylor, Billy Mann and John Shanks. First single "Incomplete" hit No. 13 on the Billboard Hot 100, but despite first-week U.S. sales of 291,000, according to Nielsen SoundScan, "Never Gone" stalled. Sales to date are at 748,000 units, the lowest of the band's career.
Carter feels the disjointed sound of "Never Gone" was the result of working with different collaborators on virtually every track. "(The album) was just like an experimental, get-back-into-the-game type of album," he said, adding that a lot of the songs "just slacked."
This relative lack of success stood in stark contrast to the Backstreet Boys' track record.
Initially managed by Lou Pearlman (who helped spawn 'N Sync but is now embroiled in embezzlement charges and allegations that he was a sexual predator) and Johnny Wright, the group first met phenomenal success overseas. Its 1996 self-titled debut sold more than 7.5 million copies internationally, and the 1997 follow-up, "Backstreet's Back," shifted 10.2 million units worldwide.
At a time when rock and hip-hop were dominating the charts, it took longer for the boys to break into the U.S. market. But the band's 1997 U.S. self-titled debut eventually scored big in the States, peaking at No. 4 on the Billboard 200, selling 10.1 million and spawning the hit singles "Quit Playing Games (With My Heart)" and "Everybody (Backstreet's Back)."
For the next few years, the Backstreet Boys were unstoppable. "Millennium" (1999) sold a then-record-breaking 1.1 million copies in its first week of U.S. sales (a record later shattered by 'N Sync's "No Strings Attached," which sold 2.4 million). It hit No. 1 in 25 countries, leading to worldwide sales of 21.6 million, according to Jive.
The following year's "Black & Blue" did even better, shifting 1.59 million in its first week. But the nonstop pace was taking its toll.
"Everyone was at wit's end," McLean said. "It was just work, arguments, conflicts."
Those problems seemed to multiply. A 2001 North American tour had to be postponed while McLean entered rehab, and 2002 saw a split with the group's management at the Firm, where Kwatinetz is CEO, as well as a lawsuit against Jive parent Zomba for breach of contract and trademark infringement. (The case was settled amicably; McLean says the band's relationship with the company has gotten "immensely better.")
A hiatus was inevitable. Group members went their separate ways; Richardson starred in "Chicago" on Broadway, while McLean, Dorough and Littrell worked on solo efforts. Carter stayed with Jive to release his solo debut, "Now or Never," which hit No. 17 on The Billboard 200 but has sold just 238,000 copies.
Although there was some speculation that the group had disbanded entirely, McLean insists that was never the case. "We kind of took a small break," he said of the time off. "We needed a break, mind you -- we were touring for pretty much nine years straight."
ON THE REBOUND
Backstreet's members found their way back together in 2003, when they surprised McLean on the set of "The Oprah Winfrey Show," where he'd come to discuss his drug problem.
"I cried like a little girl," McLean said.
And with the experimentalism of "Never Gone" out of their system, the group got back to the type of pop music that attracted such a huge fan base to begin with. With the new album, "we've proved we're doing this for (the fans) and we're doing this for us and because we love it so much," McLean said.
In January, the group went on a writing trip with songwriter/producer Dan Muckala in Nashville for six weeks. "We wanted to have one consistent body of work that was cohesive," Carter said of their time in the studio. While there, "a lot of cool, magical stuff happened."
Carter says the group personally selected the album's contributors, which include Rob Weiss, Shanks and Mann, who collaborated with Muckala on the song "Unsuspecting Sunday Afternoon." JC Chasez of 'N Sync fame wrote the track "Treat Me Right" with McLean, and first single "Inconsolable" was written and produced by Emanuel Kiriakou and co-written by Lindy Robbins and Jess Cates.
"Inconsolable" is a dramatic, piano-driven ballad reminiscent of past hit "Shape of My Heart," while "Helpless When She Smiles" is a similar ballad with a mammoth-sized chorus. Elsewhere, "Panic" is a jittery electric dance number and "Treat Me Right" bounces along to a hand-clapping funky groove.
The final product "is great, classic Backstreet Boys, with obviously a little more grown-up sound and more mature lyrics," McLean said, adding that the absence of Richardson is hardly noticeable in the sound mix, and the harmony parts sound as fresh as ever. "Everyone's singing their butts off on this record. Everyone's got leads across the board."
RADIO RESISTANCE
Jive is working hard to get the Backstreet Boys in front of audiences again. (??????)The group began a two-week European promo tour October 9 and will be in Japan to launch the album there the week of October 23. In the States, performances are set for "Today," "The Tonight Show With Jay Leno" and "Jimmy Kimmel Live."
The radio picture is less certain.
"They face the same challenge that any of the bands that are more than 10 years old face, especially any pure pop act. And that is they struggle to appear relevant and get the radio support they need to have a hit," analyst Guy Zapoleon said.
"Inconsolable" spent only two weeks on the Hot 100, peaking at No. 86. International listeners have been more receptive; the track debuted at No. 15 in Japan and was a top 20 hit in Germany after just two weeks.
A worldwide tour will kick off the first quarter of 2008 in Japan and Asia and will carry Backstreet through 2009. McLean is continuing to work on his solo album on the side, a single for which he hopes to have ready by the end of February. Carter is also working on his next solo effort in addition to building the infrastructure of his new record label, Kaotic Records.
As for a new start without Richardson, McLean and Carter both say he is missed, and the door is wide open should he ever decide to return. As for whether he actually will come back, McLean remains hopeful: "I really think he's going miss it. I really do. Some of the guys you could ask and they'd probably tell you the total opposite. Me, I really believe he may come back."
And regardless of whether "Unbreakable" returns the group to a high level of visibility, the group is content with its place in the pop-music universe.
"We don't have these huge, massive releases anymore," Carter said. "Some people ask us, 'You guys have another album?' That's kind of a cool place to be for the Backstreet Boys. In a sense, we're very underground."
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Post by 4 Minutes to be a Legend on Oct 13, 2007 14:15:41 GMT -5
Wait..Jive is releasing both Britney and BSB on October 30th? Are they retarded? Are they trying to cancel both out at the same time? It's as if Jive has no hope anymore.
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Post by Jul!an on Oct 13, 2007 14:25:39 GMT -5
Yep, "Unbreakable" comes out on October 30th, as well as Britney's "Blackout"! Jive moved up Britney's new album b/c of massive internet leakage...This won't hurt Britney's sales b/c of the hype surrounding her! But BSB are doomed, specially after "Inconsolable"s struggle...
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Post by blurple on Oct 13, 2007 17:09:06 GMT -5
Debuts at #9 at VH1's VSpot Countdown...
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Post by atlantaboy on Oct 14, 2007 12:47:31 GMT -5
There's no hype surrounding BSB anymore. Creating hype is the record label's and the management's job! They don't support this project as they should! And it's such a shame b/c the album it's perfect! The heart and soul of every sale is PROMOTION!!! A little iTunes front page add could've done the job, but the label did not opened their pocket this time! Why? And why is that Jive put two of their leading acts head to head with their latest albums! Not a good sign for BSB! Times are a changing no one sells 10 million albums anymore, the industry changed big time since the 90's, but if the guys don't deliver this time Jive will drop them for sure! The only way to test this whole thing would be to re-release "Inconsolable" as a Nick Carter single - if it still flops, it's an awkward song (title, chorus, etc.) - if it does much better, than you guys were right about radio not wantin BSB back Just saw this mornin that the video debuted VH1 at #9!! You never know, it could have a "second life" like "Away From The Sun" by 3 Doors Down did (it could take off at Hot AC, and then CHR stations could re-add it following its HAC success)
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Post by 4 Minutes to be a Legend on Oct 14, 2007 12:50:19 GMT -5
I just feel like Jive is purposely setting BSB up because of Britneys failures. When Britney fails to make a huge splash first week sales...they'll make the media point out 'Well at least it wasn't as bad as the BSB who debut at #....with a horrible under 100k'. I think Jive is doing this purposely.
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Post by Jul!an on Oct 14, 2007 13:17:03 GMT -5
Just saw this mornin that the video debuted VH1 at #9!! You never know, it could have a "second life" like "Away From The Sun" by 3 Doors Down did (it could take off at Hot AC, and then CHR stations could re-add it following its HAC success) Unfortunately that won't happen as the song already faded away on The Hot C chart too, currently being on the # 55 spot without bullet (-52 and just 120 spins).Anyway VH1 always supported them so i don't think that's going to make any difference. The song's pretty much over...
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Post by Jul!an on Oct 17, 2007 0:06:55 GMT -5
Amazon Update:
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Post by P!nkch TheO™ on Oct 17, 2007 0:12:25 GMT -5
Gyusz, for your consideration, I am the #2 supporter of this song/thread ... of course you are unreacha inconsolable @ #1! Thread Posters Total Posts: 359 1. Gyusz! 128 2. Theo™ 44 3. atlantaboy 27 4. JCMF3 12 5. bl0ndxrebel 12 6. Felicia 11 7. WotUNeed 7 8. Player211 7 9. talitali 6 10. MadonNU! 5 Looking forward to the album!
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