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Post by Music Fan on May 25, 2009 13:02:22 GMT -5
#88 on iTunes
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Post by Baby In a New Dress on May 25, 2009 16:11:51 GMT -5
Just thought I should clear this up. Just because the other two have their names on a song doesn't mean they wrote it. I know from my own songwriting experience, that a lot of times, one person really writes the song, and the others throw in some ideas, or help poliish it, and tweak some lyrics and melody choices here and there. It's like with Irreplacable, Ne-Yo wrote 100% of the lyrics, and the majority of the melody. Yet, there's like 4 people's names on the song. They probably helped shapen it, and refine it, and tweak the melodic choices, so they got credits. So Nick is like Ne-Yo, He's the primary songewriter. Like, he can write a hit without the others, but the others can't write anything great without him. That's why people tend to give Nick the credit, and call him the real songwriter. So this is where the story ends A conversation on IM Well I'm done With texting sorry for the miscommuniCAAAAtion Um, he was 15 when he wrote that, and I never said he was the best songwriter in the world. I said he was the songwriter of the group. And... writing top 10 hits at 15 is a job well done, no matter how you want to twist it. Many teens have had hits, but few of them can boast that they actually wrote it.
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Post by LordEctar on May 25, 2009 16:21:27 GMT -5
I don't know why you took my post as a negative. I posted that because it is the lines I enjoy from the song he fully wrote. I like modern references (such as texting) in songs. Same with Jesse McCartney and whichever one he mentions "picture phone but your picture's gone!"
Of course the lyrics aren't too deep. I'd say Debbie Gibson (who is the youngest artist in Billboard history to write, produce, and sing a #1) had deeper thoughts with "Foolish Beat".
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Post by soundUPsceneDOWN on May 25, 2009 19:24:07 GMT -5
Ok, lol at this "fading" talk. Normal artists' singles don't sell a bajillion copies without any airplay. With all this talk of how the JoBros are failing at transitioning, this single is acting more like a normal single by an adult act than anything they ever did before. It's at 41 with a +354 bullet and the more it gets played, the more it sells. That's how it's supposed to work. Forget about how the JoBros sold when they were tween idols--this is how they're selling now. And it's just fine to sell this way. I actually don't like this song, but if the JoBros are "fading" with this song doing as well as it is, I would hate to know what you guys think about the majority of the chart that is doing worse than this, relatively speaking.
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Post by Wrecking Ball on May 25, 2009 19:43:01 GMT -5
well they're not doing well compared to what they normally do, to me that is fading and to me 88 on iTunes is not good for an act as big as they are. I think its way to soon for this and they're making a big mistake ignoring the tweens completely, thats all i'm saying.
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Post by HEAT on May 25, 2009 19:47:54 GMT -5
At least this is seeing a rebound on I-tunes.
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Post by blewis1103 on May 25, 2009 20:17:07 GMT -5
Now #84 on iTunes...
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Post by nsfb17 on May 25, 2009 20:22:21 GMT -5
The JB's have always relied on having an insane fanbase that was willing to go and buy 3 or 4 copies of there album(and had no problem proudly admitting they did that), the older fans are not going to do that so its going to be a big hit to their album sales. I'm almost 23 and I still buy 3 or 4 copies of Britney's albums ![:-x](http://images.proboards.com/lipsrsealed.gif) .
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Post by discoloser on May 25, 2009 21:15:18 GMT -5
I actually this this is better than 'Burnin Up', but what do i know?
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Post by lizziekins on May 25, 2009 21:37:00 GMT -5
I agree, I think they're having normal numbers like any other artist, it's just that last summer they had out of the range ones. It's a different sound for them and the tweens aren't diggin it, it hasn't even become a hit on Radio Disney rather than other singles they have ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png) And I have to disagree on the "faiding" thing, I don't know, maybe their having bad numbers on the US, but not in the rest... they're on the top worldwide. You just have to look to the frenzy they caused this week on South America, sold out concerts, and thousands of girls waiting for them outside their hotels, it was frightening 60k on Peru on two concerts that sold out on hours 35k Chile 48k Argentina 83k Brazil and they just recently sold out in 5 minutes their concert in Dublin; their movie did quite good worlwide too. I dont know what exactly to think about how the new album is going to be, it would be strange if the album don't do well when their selling all those venues but it can happen. No matter what they do, it will be hard to outdo themselves. This time they will be in Europe when it is release time. It think that will make it harder. But I believe that the album will be fine outside US speciallly in South America and in Europe. And what I meant is that I believe they have the enough amount of older fans to keep themselves relevant, maybe not the huge success they are/were, but still enough. I don't care if they become less popular on the tween crowd and I will say again that it seems to me they don't care either if they lose their hardcore audience :)
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Post by soundUPsceneDOWN on May 25, 2009 21:42:07 GMT -5
well they're not doing well compared to what they normally do, to me that is fading and to me 88 on iTunes is not good for an act as big as they are. I think its way to soon for this and they're making a big mistake ignoring the tweens completely, thats all i'm saying. Your missing my point--they're doing as well as they need to do. Who cares if they no longer have the mega-fan base they had before now. They don't need that large of a fan base to have successful careers. And, frankly, this is the point where they have to start whittling down their fan base to the fans that actually care about their music. The industry won't take them seriously if they continue to grasp at the tween fans 3 albums into their career, with the 4th on the way. They'll be like that guy that graduated from high school but still comes back to the high school parties to re-live his glory days. Everybody is nice to him but they all secretly think he's kind of pathetic. Being a teen idol and getting that large fan base is a very good strategy; but when they started that path they knew they would eventually have to transition. If they don't do it now, then 20 years from now they'll show up on VH1's "Where Are They Now? Teen Idol Edition." They need to move forward.
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Post by britfan on May 25, 2009 23:51:12 GMT -5
I agree with lizziekins and Soundscene. Just because they aren't #1 and being crazy over-hyped like last summer doesn't mean they aren't doing their thing. Its almost like- if they aren't at the top, they're over. Its hard to imagine them flopping with all the sold-out concerts and such. Their fans are still around, the hype is gone though.
#71 on itunes!
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Post by I Wish on May 26, 2009 2:31:37 GMT -5
Ok, lol at this "fading" talk. Normal artists' singles don't sell a bajillion copies without any airplay. With all this talk of how the JoBros are failing at transitioning, this single is acting more like a normal single by an adult act than anything they ever did before. It's at 41 with a +354 bullet and the more it gets played, the more it sells. That's how it's supposed to work. Forget about how the JoBros sold when they were tween idols--this is how they're selling now. And it's just fine to sell this way. I actually don't like this song, but if the JoBros are "fading" with this song doing as well as it is, I would hate to know what you guys think about the majority of the chart that is doing worse than this, relatively speaking. Agreed. It's funny what Miley fans come up with to try & undermine the Jonas Brothers' success. I agree, I think they're having normal numbers like any other artist, it's just that last summer they had out of the range ones. It's a different sound for them and the tweens aren't diggin it, it hasn't even become a hit on Radio Disney rather than other singles they have ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png) And I have to disagree on the "faiding" thing, I don't know, maybe their having bad numbers on the US, but not in the rest... they're on the top worldwide. You just have to look to the frenzy they caused this week on South America, sold out concerts, and thousands of girls waiting for them outside their hotels, it was frightening 60k on Peru on two concerts that sold out on hours 35k Chile 48k Argentina 83k Brazil and they just recently sold out in 5 minutes their concert in Dublin; their movie did quite good worlwide too. I dont know what exactly to think about how the new album is going to be, it would be strange if the album don't do well when their selling all those venues but it can happen. No matter what they do, it will be hard to outdo themselves. This time they will be in Europe when it is release time. It think that will make it harder. But I believe that the album will be fine outside US speciallly in South America and in Europe. And what I meant is that I believe they have the enough amount of older fans to keep themselves relevant, maybe not the huge success they are/were, but still enough. I don't care if they become less popular on the tween crowd and I will say again that it seems to me they don't care either if they lose their hardcore audience :) Yeah I was just about to post about those sold out concerts. They may be "fading" in the US, but their worldwide fanbase couldn't be any stronger. ![:d](http://images.proboards.com/cheesy.gif)
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Post by johnm1120 on May 26, 2009 10:33:44 GMT -5
Top 40 ![:d](http://images.proboards.com/cheesy.gif) 45 39 JONAS BROTHERS Paranoid 856 510 346 4.541 +41 Spins -8 Bullet +.051 Audience
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Post by Wrecking Ball on May 26, 2009 10:57:54 GMT -5
Agreed. It's funny what Miley fans come up with to try & undermine the Jonas Brothers' success. thats not what i'm trying to do and if you think that there label and management are not panicing right now after the movie, tv show and now how bad this is doing compared to what they typically do, then your mistaken. They can spin it whatever way they want but they are panicing because this is totally unexpected and this is considered to be a failure for them.
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Post by I Wish on May 26, 2009 11:56:33 GMT -5
So was Miley's "Fly On The Wall" & "Breakout" rerelease. We see how well she's rebounded. ;)
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Post by Wrecking Ball on May 26, 2009 13:39:28 GMT -5
So was Miley's "Fly On The Wall" & "Breakout" rerelease. We see how well she's rebounded. ;) FOTW wasn't a lead single and did decent in sales for a second single that flopped on radio. breakout rerelease was just that, a rerelease and both came at a time when HM season 3 had just debuted to its highest ratings yet, miley had just recieved a Golden Globe Nomination and Bolt was on its way to 120+ million at the domestic box off. see, your missing my point, its not this single underperforming alone that is the problem and that has got to have disney and JB management worried, its that everything they touch lately fails or underperform. that is the problem, not one single. that is why the album has to do well, not because of this one single but because nothing is going there way right now and for whatever reason disney/HR doesn't deal with failure or whatever you want to call whats happen, well. They don't try again like a lot of other labels do.
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Post by I Wish on May 26, 2009 13:46:20 GMT -5
So was Miley's "Fly On The Wall" & "Breakout" rerelease. We see how well she's rebounded. ;) FOTW wasn't a lead single and did decent in sales for a second single that flopped on radio. breakout rerelease was just that, a rerelease and both came at a time when HM season 3 had just debuted to its highest ratings yet, miley had just recieved a Golden Globe Nomination and Bolt was on its way to 120+ million at the domestic box off. see, your missing my point, its not this single underperforming alone that is the problem and that has got to have disney and JB management worried, its that everything they touch lately fails or underperform. that is the problem, not one single. that is why the album has to do well, not because of this one single but because nothing is going there way right now and for whatever reason disney/HR doesn't deal with failure or whatever you want to call whats happen, well. They don't try again like a lot of other labels do. You continue to ignore the #'s for their worldwide tour. Hardly a "failure" or "underperforming." Spin it whatever way you like. First single, fourth single, seventh single, FOTW flopped ESPECIALLY on radio. Which afterall, is what this forum topic is about (for the most part). The song's RADIO performance. The "Breakout" rerelease underperformed during the Holiday season also, when it was expected to do high numbers. "Bolt" was a cartoon film by Disney. Was it ever expected to do poorly? LMAO. Miley fans are hysterical with their constant competition between the Jonas Brothers & Miley. They really grasp at any straw. This can be seen by singer262's constant "Jonas Brothers fading" & "Miley's sO sUCcEsSfUl"comments throughout this thread.
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Post by lizziekins on May 26, 2009 18:40:09 GMT -5
Their show is not failing, their problem was that they aired the first episode on a Saturday, something that they have never done before, against iCarly, but now they realized that and moved the show to Sundays and it's having almost the same amounts of ratings of Hannah Montana and Sonny with a chance who also aired on Sunday, the three shows have an average audience of 3.5 millions.
Still the important thing is not how well their doing on their Tv show and movie, which comes second to them, but their music! So let's wait for the numbers of their new album to say if they're faiding or not ;)
Anyway they have a worldwide sold tour right now, that has to be something! :)
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Post by Minor Scratch on May 26, 2009 19:33:40 GMT -5
Miley and the Jonas Brothers cannot even be compared. A female tween fanbase liking a group of teenage boys can easily move on to something else as they age and as the boys age. Their appeal to the specific tween demographic shifts quite easily compared to the fanbase of a teenage female Pop star such as Miley. She can grow and the woman will grow with her. That is why a super selling boy band like the Backstreet Boys horribly underperform today compared to their golden years, and Britney Spears, who basically entered the industry at the same time is still getting #1 records.
Its something that's inevitable, and I believe its happening a lot quicker these days because of the lack of attention spans in teenagers today with technology being so potent. They may have finally caught on worldwide, but in America they are definitely in trouble.
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Post by getyaarmor on May 27, 2009 0:35:24 GMT -5
Heard this and its terrible.. It's boring and forgettable.
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Post by I Wish on May 27, 2009 0:45:04 GMT -5
Their show is not failing, their problem was that they aired the first episode on a Saturday, something that they have never done before, against iCarly, but now they realized that and moved the show to Sundays and it's having almost the same amounts of ratings of Hannah Montana and Sonny with a chance who also aired on Sunday, the three shows have an average audience of 3.5 millions. Still the important thing is not how well their doing on their Tv show and movie, which comes second to them, but their music! So let's wait for the numbers of their new album to say if they're faiding or not ;) Anyway they have a worldwide sold tour right now, that has to be something! :) That was the main problem. Disney having the audacity to pit "JONAS" against "iCarly." There was no competition. "iCarly" has been the #1 show for kids & tweens for a long time now. But I guess Disney wanted to prove something, which bit them in the a$$ instead.
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Post by LordEctar on May 27, 2009 7:56:49 GMT -5
Going by the precieved popularity of the Jonas Brothers, they show should have beat iCarly in the ratings for its debut. Not on a consistent basis, but the debut should have outdone iCarly. iCarly gets good ratings but they are not that much higher than Hannah Montana. Disney Channel has been successful at counter-programming Nickelodeon. The much hyped Nick tv movie "Spectacular" was destroyed in the ratings by the Disney Channel Movie "Dadknapped" for example as they aired against each other. I really think the Jonas machine is going down. That doesn't mean they have to stay down, but they need to do something to attract a more mainstream audience -- something Miley Cyrus won't have a problem doing as pointed out above with the BSB vs Britney statement.
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Post by HEAT on May 27, 2009 8:00:10 GMT -5
This wont go too far in CHR.
Probably Top 30 at best.
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Post by johnm1120 on May 27, 2009 9:12:35 GMT -5
45 39 JONAS BROTHERS Paranoid 905 549 356 4.671
+49 Spins +10 Bullet +.13 Audience
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Post by I Wish on May 27, 2009 15:21:43 GMT -5
Going by the precieved popularity of the Jonas Brothers, they show should have beat iCarly in the ratings for its debut. Not on a consistent basis, but the debut should have outdone iCarly. iCarly gets good ratings but they are not that much higher than Hannah Montana. Disney Channel has been successful at counter-programming Nickelodeon. The much hyped Nick tv movie "Spectacular" was destroyed in the ratings by the Disney Channel Movie "Dadknapped" for example as they aired against each other. Incorrect. HM isn't even competition for "iCarly" anymore if you've actually averaged the viewers for the latest season. :) But yeah "Spectacular" was destroyed by Disney. So they're almost even. Anyway, this song is starting to warm up on me. Hopefully it goes top 30 at least.
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Post by Music Fan on May 27, 2009 21:18:03 GMT -5
58 on iTunes... I guess the first day sale was from real JB fans that just bought it because it was them, now these sales are for those so called "fans" that didn't know this was out, until they heard it recently on their radio station b/c its Top 40 now or simply like it.
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Post by getyaarmor on May 27, 2009 21:20:54 GMT -5
58 on iTunes... I guess the first day sale was from real JB fans that just bought it because it was them, now these sales are for those so called "fans" that didn't know this was out, until they heard it recently on their radio station b/c its Top 40 now or simply like it. No the Disney channel is playing the Paranoid music video all the time. The same thing they did with Demi Lovato.
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Post by Music Fan on May 27, 2009 21:22:50 GMT -5
58 on iTunes... I guess the first day sale was from real JB fans that just bought it because it was them, now these sales are for those so called "fans" that didn't know this was out, until they heard it recently on their radio station b/c its Top 40 now or simply like it. No the Disney channel is playing the Paranoid music video all the time. The same thing they did with Demi Lovato. This shows how much I watch Disney Channel, to me it's all about SpongeBob! lol
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Post by Wrecking Ball on May 27, 2009 21:26:09 GMT -5
are they really playing it a lot? I know they play demi's constantly but they usually don't play Miley's that much or the JB's as much as demi's for that matter. btw I read on a gossip site that this is even doing bad on radio disney.
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