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Post by Music Fan on May 22, 2009 21:24:02 GMT -5
164 on iTunes
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Post by johnm1120 on May 23, 2009 10:05:38 GMT -5
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Post by Wrecking Ball on May 23, 2009 10:41:07 GMT -5
will this go top 40 by tomorrow?
btw I found this weird song they recorded with Miley and demi lavoto, i think all of the disney kids are singing on this but miley, Demi and I think Nick or Joe, are the only 3 you can hear in this clip. its interesting lol. Nick or Joe are the guy singing with miley towards the end:
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Post by Wrecking Ball on May 23, 2009 10:49:54 GMT -5
music video. i couldnt watch the whole thing lol:
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Post by johnm1120 on May 24, 2009 0:57:48 GMT -5
will this go top 40 by tomorrow? btw I found this weird song they recorded with Miley and demi lavoto, i think all of the disney kids are singing on this but miley, Demi and I think Nick or Joe, are the only 3 you can hear in this clip. its interesting lol. Nick or Joe are the guy singing with miley towards the end: It's a charity single.
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Post by Wrecking Ball on May 24, 2009 1:38:38 GMT -5
^^cool it sounds nice, i like it. i'll probably buy it. i wonder what charity its for.
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Post by Rurry on May 24, 2009 2:09:53 GMT -5
I just heard this, and it's kinda blah. It's not terrible but it's not that interesting either. Not nearly as catchy as Burnin' Up which was totally a guilty pleasure song.
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Post by HEAT on May 24, 2009 5:34:26 GMT -5
This is a total disaster in I-tunes.
It is #42 on CHR and yet it is #164 on I-tunes.
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Post by blewis1103 on May 24, 2009 7:39:15 GMT -5
Is it me, or does Nick look a lot older in the video?
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Post by johnm1120 on May 24, 2009 15:37:53 GMT -5
48 42 JONAS BROTHERS Paranoid 765 409 356 4.340
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Post by Baby In a New Dress on May 24, 2009 16:11:10 GMT -5
they signed on for it in 2007. the orginal plot was thrown out, it was suppose to be something like Hannah Montana, like with them having a double life. but yeah, thats the thing with this they signed on before they blew up and now they have to do the show. theres a way for his technique to get better but I don't know if the damage can be reversed, if it can he'd have to take a long break which disney is never going to let happen. Their dad is their vocal coach, but I'm not sure if hes qualified to be doing that. Joe's and Kevin's voices are fine though, its only nicks that has been damaged. Thats because he wasn't signing properly and was touring while his voice was changing. Nick will always have a career writing songs IMO though. Their voices might be in good shape, but great singers they're not. If something can be done with Nick, I know he will have a decent career in the future, but not the way he's singing right now... I keep seeing he is a great songwriter, what songs has he written? Just thought I should clear this up. Just because the other two have their names on a song doesn't mean they wrote it. I know from my own songwriting experience, that a lot of times, one person really writes the song, and the others throw in some ideas, or help poliish it, and tweak some lyrics and melody choices here and there. It's like with Irreplacable, Ne-Yo wrote 100% of the lyrics, and the majority of the melody. Yet, there's like 4 people's names on the song. They probably helped shapen it, and refine it, and tweak the melodic choices, so they got credits. So Nick is like Ne-Yo, He's the primary songewriter. Like, he can write a hit without the others, but the others can't write anything great without him. That's why people tend to give Nick the credit, and call him the real songwriter.
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Post by LordEctar on May 24, 2009 16:57:36 GMT -5
Their voices might be in good shape, but great singers they're not. If something can be done with Nick, I know he will have a decent career in the future, but not the way he's singing right now... I keep seeing he is a great songwriter, what songs has he written? Just thought I should clear this up. Just because the other two have their names on a song doesn't mean they wrote it. I know from my own songwriting experience, that a lot of times, one person really writes the song, and the others throw in some ideas, or help poliish it, and tweak some lyrics and melody choices here and there. It's like with Irreplacable, Ne-Yo wrote 100% of the lyrics, and the majority of the melody. Yet, there's like 4 people's names on the song. They probably helped shapen it, and refine it, and tweak the melodic choices, so they got credits. So Nick is like Ne-Yo, He's the primary songewriter. Like, he can write a hit without the others, but the others can't write anything great without him. That's why people tend to give Nick the credit, and call him the real songwriter. So this is where the story ends A conversation on IM Well I'm done With texting sorry for the miscommuniCAAAAtion
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Post by Music Fan on May 24, 2009 21:04:46 GMT -5
#131 on iTunes...
I have no idea why I'm even following this song on iTunes, I don't even like the Jonas Brothers haha
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Post by @DiegoMarcondes_ on May 24, 2009 21:10:44 GMT -5
Here's #93 on iTunes...
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Post by lizziekins on May 24, 2009 21:24:02 GMT -5
:) In the end nobody had the temerity — or the opportunity, since the interview session was cut short — to ask the tough question: Are the Jonas Brothers fizzling as a full-blown Walt Disney Company franchise?
It’s a notion that Disney, the world’s largest media company, thinks is ludicrous. “Hot as a pistol” is how Abbey Konowitch, general manager of Hollywood Records, the Disney-owned label, describes them.
Mr. Konowitch noted that the pop band’s summer tour, a three-continent extravaganza built around the brothers’ fourth studio album, “Lines, Vines and Trying Times,” sold over 800,000 tickets in its first weekend, no small feat in a dismal economy. The new CD, inspired in part by the music of Neil Diamond, arrives in stores on June 16 amid a flood of publicity, including a Rolling Stone cover and a free concert in Central Park.
The Jonas Brothers are trying to expand beyond the Disney footprint and shouldn’t be evaluated as a company franchise, said Johnny Wright, the group’s co-manager. “We consult with Disney, but Disney doesn’t tell us what to do,” he said. The band’s outside efforts include a line of branded energy drinks and starring roles in “Walter the Farting Dog,” a movie for 20th Century Fox based on the best-selling children’s book. (The trio had cameo roles of a sort in “Night at the Museum: Battle of the Smithsonian,” which was the No. 1 movie at the box office over the weekend.)
“People are wrong when they say the bubble has burst,” Mr. Wright continued. “It’s just changing. We are focused on longevity and transitioning to a slightly older audience. When you do that, you risk losing some of your core fan base.”
Still, Disney is counting on the cherubic musicians — Kevin, 21, Joe, 19, and Nick, 16 — to be more than just pop stars. The company’s profit engines are creative franchises like “Hannah Montana” that spawn merchandising, movie and theme park spin-offs, and Disney has been putting considerable muscle into broadening the Jonases’ beyond music.
So far results have been mixed.
Their debut film, “The Jonas Brothers: The 3D Concert Experience,” was a dud, selling just $19.2 million in tickets at North American theaters in February. Disney had hoped that the movie would generate sales of about $40 million, according to a senior studio executive.
Mr. Konowitch said expectations for “The 3D Concert Experience” were unfairly high, noting that the band had just come off a lengthy tour that enabled most fans to see the trio in person. Mr. Wright said, “It irks me when people say the movie was a flop. If $19 million is a flop, I’ll take it.”
Mr. Konowitch also doused some cold water on Miley Cyrus’s drawing power, saying that her concert movie, “Hannah Montana/Miley Cyrus: Best of Both Worlds,” became a phenomenon that sold $65.3 million in 2008 partly because the Jonas Brothers appeared in it as well. Ms. Cyrus did not appear in the Jonas movie.
Television is also proving a bit bumpy for them. “Jonas,” a new Disney Channel comedy that stars the brothers, had its debut on May 2 to an audience of 2.4 million kids ages 6 to 14, the target demographic, according to Nielsen Media Research.
That was enough to put the show at No. 1 — beating tough counterprogramming on Nickelodeon — but it was also Disney Channel’s second-lowest live-action premiere in nearly four years. The target audience sunk sharply in its second week, but the show rebounded. The ratings performance is surprising given that “Camp Rock,” the Disney Channel musical starring the brothers, was the No. 1 cable telecast for 2008.
Does the band feel pressure to have a big summer?
“We’re all about taking those gradual steps,” Nick Jonas said. His brother Kevin said, “We definitely have no expectations.”
Lucy Schiller, 8, has been a follower of the Jonas Brothers since she first heard their hit “Year 3000” two years ago. She was one of 600 invited fans at the El Rey Theater, where the band was filming a six-song concert video that will appear exclusively on Walmart.com starting June 9.
“I’m downloading the new songs off iTunes the second they come out,” she said. But this third grader never made it to the band’s movie and still hasn’t seen the Disney Channel series. “My friends aren’t really talking about the show,” she said. “I like them as singers.”
A sold-out tour and strong response to the new album will almost certainly bolster interest in the sitcom. And perhaps the show’s slow start is just a case of growing pains. “I think it takes time for music stars to be looked at as television stars,” Mr. Konowitch said.
Mr. Wright, whose experience with boy bands includes managing ’N Sync, said that the Jonas Brothers may no longer be the best fit with Disney Channel’s young audience. “They agreed to do the show two years ago, but it was delayed for various reasons,” he said. “They’re in a different place now.”
In a statement Disney Channel said it was “pleased with the early ratings” for the show, noting that it has reached nearly 10 million total viewers over its first six telecasts. Jonas Brothers fans, the company added, have given DisneyChannel.com its best results for 2009.
“The show is a great learning process,” Joe Jonas said. “Acting is something I want to get into a lot more.”
Disney Channel has said it hoped the show would open a beachhead on Saturday nights, long dominated by Nickelodeon. If “Jonas” can dent ratings for “iCarly,” the Nickelodeon show opposite it that is rapidly becoming a phenomenon among kids, the brothers’ sitcom will be considered a big success internally.
Even so, if the Jonas Brothers are truly going to cross over, they need to do it with a punishing speed. Children 6 to 14 — the so-called tween market — have always been fickle, and allegiances come and go faster than ever. In industry parlance the band needs to strike before its core fans — young girls — “age out” of the experience.
The band’s last album, “Little Bit Longer,” was released in August and has sold 1.52 million copies, according to Nielsen SoundScan. Sales of their 2007 album, “Jonas Brothers,” have reached 1.82 million. Worldwide, Jonas Brothers albums have sold 8.1 million CDs, according to Disney.
“This album is a big step for us as artists, musicians and songwriters,” Nick Jonas said. “We’re pouring it out of our hearts.”
Source: NYTimes
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Post by repentyourself on May 24, 2009 21:42:45 GMT -5
ugh. i like this song.
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Post by britfan on May 24, 2009 22:09:42 GMT -5
It seems like they pretty much did the show because they HAD to and has soon as thats over they're leaving Disney. I don't know how successful they can be without it.. Well, at least its back in the Top 100. lol this is a horrible seller.
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Post by HEAT on May 24, 2009 22:26:37 GMT -5
I am really wondering where their fanbase is.
They should be supporting this song on I-tunes.
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Post by soundUPsceneDOWN on May 24, 2009 22:46:26 GMT -5
Well, if we are to believe Hollywood, they're attempting to transition older, and Disney is trying to hold on to whatever young audience JB have left--like the label and the conglomerate don't exactly see eye to eye on the direction of their careers.
But if they are attempting to move to an older audience with this album, and some of that transition has already taken place, it explains "Paranoid"'s sales. They've lost a portion of their younger fan base, or a portion of their fan base that really only loved them because they were cute boys they had huge crushes on. Those fans may have moved on to other teen idols, or have simply outgrown their teen idol phase altogether.
That doesn't mean JB are over. This is what happens when teen idols transition to a more adult audience. They lose some of their original fan base. There's no way that JB can avoid it. Maybe they'll replace those lost fans with other fans--ones that appreciate their music more than their looks. Chances are, however, that they won't. But they have a large enough fan base that they can lose some and still have a solid career. That's the hope of any teen idol--that they can get a large enough fan base early in their career that losing even half will still result in a fan base that will carry them as adult-oriented artists.
It seems they're just starting this transition.
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Post by tsw2008 on May 24, 2009 23:03:18 GMT -5
Mr. Konowitch is really good at putting a spin on things ;). I doubt this "transition" will be successful but let's wait and see how the singles and the album perform in the long run.
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Post by Wrecking Ball on May 24, 2009 23:09:42 GMT -5
i don't think this will work, i don't think you can lose the younger fans completely and expect to make the transition. They needed to fine a way to keep the younger fans(for the time being) and gain older fans. Disney's good at putting a spin on it.
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Post by lizziekins on May 24, 2009 23:20:14 GMT -5
Well maybe they can't, but I don't see why they can't do it 1/3 of their fan base is older than 17 years old, and I think they're the ones who're gonna stick with them.
Being a fan myself, i have noticed the lack of interest of some "fans" for this single in particular... not many people like their "new sound"; but well it's what it happens.
They're indeed trying to make the transition, and it doens't seem to me that they care that much if they lose all their younger fanbase, from what I've seen in their latest interviews, etc. they're no longer trying to attract their young fans... that goes with the lack of promotion of their Tv show
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Post by Wrecking Ball on May 24, 2009 23:26:20 GMT -5
because doing that means they're going to have to fade first and then try and make a come back and that won't work. What Miley's trying to do is transition while at the top and continue to appeal to tweens while trying to appeal to an older audience and i think thats what the Jonas Brothers need to do too. I'm a college kid and i do know a couple people who like them but most won't even give them a chance becuase they're disney's kids, so i do think its too early to completely give up on the tween fanbase. and the fact that half the shows ratings was non tweens is nothing new. HM and Wizards of Waverly Place regularly attract more people over 14, then they do tweens.
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Post by soundUPsceneDOWN on May 25, 2009 2:22:28 GMT -5
because doing that means they're going to have to fade first and then try and make a come back and that won't work. What Miley's trying to do is transition while at the top and continue to appeal to tweens while trying to appeal to an older audience and i think thats what the Jonas Brothers need to do too. I'm a college kid and i do know a couple people who like them but most won't even give them a chance becuase they're disney's kids, so i do think its too early to completely give up on the tween fanbase. and the fact that half the shows ratings was non tweens is nothing new. HM and Wizards of Waverly Place regularly attract more people over 14, then they do tweens. Well, no, they don't have to "fade first." They are technically at the top right now. A sold out world tour is at the top, no matter how you slice it. That they're losing an undefined portion of the most fickle part of their fan base doesn't mean they're "fading" and then have to build back up. It just means they are getting rid of the fodder and keeping the fans that actually care about their music. I don't know if transitioning will work, and frankly I don't know if it'll work for Miley either. She seems to be going the acting route right now. No summer tour, no recording a new album yet. There's talk of her going country, but who the heck knows. We can't say that an adult audience will buy her any more than they'll buy JB. And one song on the country chart doesn't mean that suddenly she's on the adult radar. People still see her as Hannah Montana. Maybe this Nicholas Sparks movie will change that, but right now it's all up in the air. And even if she does transition, there's no way she's keeping the entirety of the fan base she had as Hannah Montana. Little girls grow up, and they might not like new, "improved" Miley and more than those fickle JB fans like new, "improved" JB. But they have to try, don't they? They can't be teen idols forever. It's not Disney that's spinning anything. Disney is trying to keep the young fan base for as long as they can. Hollywood is pulling away. Whether Hollywood is spinning to the press or not doesn't matter; it's clear the direction they're trying to go with JB is more mature, less teen idol. The question is not what they're doing, but whether it will work. But if they don't try, JB will fade anyway because they will not appeal to tweens for much longer no matter what they do.
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Post by britfan on May 25, 2009 3:05:27 GMT -5
They're indeed trying to make the transition, and it doens't seem to me that they care that much if they lose all their younger fanbase, from what I've seen in their latest interviews, etc. they're no longer trying to attract their young fans... that goes with the lack of promotion of their Tv show Thats how I feel too. They don't really seem to be too concerned about their really young fanbase and how they'll react to their "new sound". I think its like, the younger ones have the tv show and their music really isn't for them anymore. Because I can't really see a 6,8,10(or anywhere near those ages) year old rockin' out to paranoid. It feels out of place when it plays on Disney. Oh, and though a lot of people make it seem as if their fanbase is mostly children its actually mostly teenage girls, who are growing up and maturing as well.
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Post by Wrecking Ball on May 25, 2009 7:12:47 GMT -5
because doing that means they're going to have to fade first and then try and make a come back and that won't work. What Miley's trying to do is transition while at the top and continue to appeal to tweens while trying to appeal to an older audience and i think thats what the Jonas Brothers need to do too. I'm a college kid and i do know a couple people who like them but most won't even give them a chance becuase they're disney's kids, so i do think its too early to completely give up on the tween fanbase. and the fact that half the shows ratings was non tweens is nothing new. HM and Wizards of Waverly Place regularly attract more people over 14, then they do tweens. Well, no, they don't have to "fade first." They are technically at the top right now. A sold out world tour is at the top, no matter how you slice it. That they're losing an undefined portion of the most fickle part of their fan base doesn't mean they're "fading" and then have to build back up. It just means they are getting rid of the fodder and keeping the fans that actually care about their music. I don't know if transitioning will work, and frankly I don't know if it'll work for Miley either. She seems to be going the acting route right now. No summer tour, no recording a new album yet. There's talk of her going country, but who the heck knows. We can't say that an adult audience will buy her any more than they'll buy JB. And one song on the country chart doesn't mean that suddenly she's on the adult radar. People still see her as Hannah Montana. Maybe this Nicholas Sparks movie will change that, but right now it's all up in the air. And even if she does transition, there's no way she's keeping the entirety of the fan base she had as Hannah Montana. Little girls grow up, and they might not like new, "improved" Miley and more than those fickle JB fans like new, "improved" JB. But they have to try, don't they? They can't be teen idols forever. It's not Disney that's spinning anything. Disney is trying to keep the young fan base for as long as they can. Hollywood is pulling away. Whether Hollywood is spinning to the press or not doesn't matter; it's clear the direction they're trying to go with JB is more mature, less teen idol. The question is not what they're doing, but whether it will work. But if they don't try, JB will fade anyway because they will not appeal to tweens for much longer no matter what they do. well my feeling is that everything they've tried to do since the start of this year has more or less flopped. so i do feel as if they're already fading. I feel like this album needs to do well because of what has already happened this year and if it doesn't they're gonna have a problem. So i do think they need the tweens right now because they need this album to do well. The JB's have always relied on having an insane fanbase that was willing to go and buy 3 or 4 copies of there album(and had no problem proudly admitting they did that), the older fans are not going to do that so its going to be a big hit to their album sales. eventually they will have to lose their tween fans but right now I think they have to try and keep them while attempting to appeal to adults. i've always felt that graduatual tranisition work better then rapid ones so maybe thats why i feel that way. and Miley's not touring this summer because shes filming last song. It looks like shes got a world tour planned for this fall or winter( she sort of announced it when i don't think she was suppose to), which means she'll have an album coming out around then too. She just doesn't have the time the Jonas Brothers do to focus on just her music.
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Post by Justin. on May 25, 2009 10:46:43 GMT -5
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Post by Minor Scratch on May 25, 2009 11:09:02 GMT -5
Teens attention spans are not like they used to be either. When the last generation of teen idols scaled the charts, the attention spans lasted quite a bit longer. But these kids are always moving on to new things and will always keep shifting unlike the past generations. That's all I see happening, and I think Disney is having some problems figuring which way they should go with them considering their fanbase is diluting so fast. To me, they look extremely bored themselves and just want a break from it all.
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Post by Wrecking Ball on May 25, 2009 11:19:42 GMT -5
I'm really surprised how fast this is happening. maybe its just me but i expectted them to last just as long as miley has. its 3 years and shes as big as ever IMO. I expected the same for the JB's, i didn;'t expect them to start fading for at least another 2 years, i mean they came after her and are fading before her. thats just weird. I expected this to last longer for them...
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Post by WouldYouJumpTheGDTrainAlready? on May 25, 2009 12:57:05 GMT -5
this is a mess! Burnin' Up pwns this. Their album sales are going to suck.
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