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Post by JamaicaFunk² on May 27, 2009 7:29:11 GMT -5
Apparently there are more downloads than just itunes. -- 4 ALLEN*KRIS NO BOUNDARIES 134458 999 0 134458 -- 5 ALLEN*KRIS HEARTLESS 125344 999 0 125344
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Post by JamaicaFunk² on May 27, 2009 7:35:38 GMT -5
Airplay: Pop 184 (+18) HAC 176 (+25) AC 127 (+15)
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Post by Spacy-Haha on May 27, 2009 7:49:23 GMT -5
Total Sold by Season 8 (out of the Top 200 - Duets not included): Kris Allen: 468,101 Adam Lambert: 358,912 Danny Gokey: 24,977 Allison Iraheta: 8,666
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Post by HEAT on May 27, 2009 8:03:27 GMT -5
I think this will miss a Top 10 debut on the Hot 100.
I hope I'm wrong though.
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Post by JamaicaFunk² on May 27, 2009 8:40:29 GMT -5
Well it has (so far) held steady on Itunes this week. If it maintains it's position, I think sales next week would be about equivalent, but with a little more airplay, so there's always the hope for at least two solid weeks.
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Post by getyaarmor on May 27, 2009 9:18:34 GMT -5
Apparently there are more downloads than just itunes. -- 4 ALLEN*KRIS NO BOUNDARIES 134458 999 0 134458 -- 5 ALLEN*KRIS HEARTLESS 125344 999 0 125344 Wow that Link I posted saying Heartless sold more was totally wrong. ???
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Post by maxsultan on May 27, 2009 9:39:35 GMT -5
Sales for this song seem to be remaining consistent whilst all the other Idol related songs have dropped like rocks. I guess the little radio airplay it has is helping.
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Post by ZAYN on May 27, 2009 11:38:13 GMT -5
^ And I think the fact that people are talking about how much better his studio performance is, is leading to more people deciding to buy later.
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Post by Baby In a New Dress on May 27, 2009 11:41:03 GMT -5
Apparently there are more downloads than just itunes. -- 4 ALLEN*KRIS NO BOUNDARIES 134458 999 0 134458 -- 5 ALLEN*KRIS HEARTLESS 125344 999 0 125344 ... better than I expected. I'm happy. :)
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Post by Spacy-Haha on May 27, 2009 11:45:03 GMT -5
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Post by ₫anny Jerz ♔ on May 27, 2009 12:07:03 GMT -5
Well it has (so far) held steady on Itunes this week. If it maintains it's position, I think sales next week would be about equivalent, but with a little more airplay, so there's always the hope for at least two solid weeks. Yeah, it's going to have a full week of availability this week and it's maintained its position for awhile now so chances are it will stay steady (and maybe even increase) for next week. Still, 130k with only 4 days of sale is impressive.
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Post by maxsultan on May 27, 2009 12:32:10 GMT -5
That was great. He is so small.
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Post by JayBoozer on May 27, 2009 13:10:37 GMT -5
This song is actually really great acoustic... If he had done that on the finale night he would have won in a landslide.
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Post by ZAYN on May 27, 2009 13:21:24 GMT -5
^ But he did win in a landslide...LOL
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Post by JayBoozer on May 27, 2009 13:30:23 GMT -5
^ But he did win in a landslide...LOL lol that's just a rumor though.
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Post by soundUPsceneDOWN on May 27, 2009 14:06:42 GMT -5
^ But he did win in a landslide...LOL lol that's just a rumor though. Probably a correct one. If it was close, you better bet Ryan would have said so. Adam was the one they wanted to win (unlike last year when they wanted Cook to win and he did); the producers would do anything to make people believe that Adam was thisclose to winning. Ryan said nothing, which likely means that it was a large margin. And the rumor was from Access Hollywood. If it was from TMZ I would be really suspicious, but AH isn't gossipy, relatively speaking, for an entertainment news program.
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Post by famed on May 27, 2009 14:46:04 GMT -5
I'm pleased with his sales, he's going to do great. This song is actually really great acoustic... If he had done that on the finale night he would have won in a landslide. Which is why the producers pulled a "no instruments for the last song" rule out of thin air.
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Post by Stephen on May 27, 2009 15:40:56 GMT -5
Full airplay update:
184 Pop (+22)
127 AC (+15)
176 HAC (+25)
4 Country (=)
2 Rhythmic (=)
3.338 million AIs (+0.3)
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Post by Baby In a New Dress on May 27, 2009 15:53:55 GMT -5
lol that's just a rumor though. Probably a correct one. If it was close, you better bet Ryan would have said so. Adam was the one they wanted to win (unlike last year when they wanted Cook to win and he did); the producers would do anything to make people believe that Adam was thisclose to winning. Ryan said nothing, which likely means that it was a large margin. And the rumor was from Access Hollywood. If it was from TMZ I would be really suspicious, but AH isn't gossipy, relatively speaking, for an entertainment news program. But this year is completely different from last year. Kris may have won by a large margin, but he still has a lot to prove. Last year, David C. was heavily favored. All the bloggers and media wanted him to win. The producers wanted him to win. He won by 12 million votes. Even if everyone voted 100 times, that's still 120,000 people. Very decisive. And then he sold 3X more downloads than DA. Then he sold like double the amount of albums. Case closed. There was really no competition there. But with Kris, he only sold like... 10k more than Adam. Comparing that to Cook's outselling DA by 600k, that's waaay too close for comfort. He's like right on his tail! I obviously prefer Kris, but I don't want Adam to fail. But now that Kris has been saddled with the title, he best outperform Adam. If he doesn't, well... look at how they treat Reuben. Reuben did well, but Clay did better, and now it's like Clay is the "real" winner. I don't want that happening to Kris. And of course, it seems like the big story is Adam losing, rather than Kris being the winner. In retrospect, it kind of sucks that Kris won, because now he's under pressure to outsell the runner-up. And Adam is no Diana DeGarmo. He's a very popular runner-up. At the end of the day, it really depends on the material, and how radio recieves it, so I guess we'll have to wait and see.
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Post by discoloser on May 27, 2009 16:01:30 GMT -5
Probably a correct one. If it was close, you better bet Ryan would have said so. Adam was the one they wanted to win (unlike last year when they wanted Cook to win and he did); the producers would do anything to make people believe that Adam was thisclose to winning. Ryan said nothing, which likely means that it was a large margin. And the rumor was from Access Hollywood. If it was from TMZ I would be really suspicious, but AH isn't gossipy, relatively speaking, for an entertainment news program. But this year is completely different from last year. Kris may have won by a large margin, but he still has a lot to prove. Last year, David C. was heavily favored. All the bloggers and media wanted him to win. The producers wanted him to win. He won by 12 million votes. Even if everyone voted 100 times, that's still 120,000 people. Very decisive. And then he sold 3X more downloads than DA. Then he sold like double the amount of albums. Case closed. There was really no competition there. But with Kris, he only sold like... 10k more than Adam. Comparing that to Cook's outselling DA by 600k, that's waaay too close for comfort. He's like right on his tail! I obviously prefer Kris, but I don't want Adam to fail. But now that Kris has been saddled with the title, he best outperform Adam. If he doesn't, well... look at how they treat Reuben. Reuben did well, but Clay did better, and now it's like Clay is the "real" winner. I don't want that happening to Kris. And of course, it seems like the big story is Adam losing, rather than Kris being the winner. In retrospect, it kind of sucks that Kris won, because now he's under pressure to outsell the runner-up. And Adam is no Diana DeGarmo. He's a very popular runner-up. At the end of the day, it really depends on the material, and how radio recieves it, so I guess we'll have to wait and see. Diana only lost by 1million, so im not sure how that qualifies her as unpopular. But okay.
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Post by Baby In a New Dress on May 27, 2009 16:09:28 GMT -5
^ I mean was she really gonna beat Fantasia? Did she really stand a chance? No, she didn't. That's what I meant.
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Post by soundUPsceneDOWN on May 27, 2009 16:43:01 GMT -5
Probably a correct one. If it was close, you better bet Ryan would have said so. Adam was the one they wanted to win (unlike last year when they wanted Cook to win and he did); the producers would do anything to make people believe that Adam was thisclose to winning. Ryan said nothing, which likely means that it was a large margin. And the rumor was from Access Hollywood. If it was from TMZ I would be really suspicious, but AH isn't gossipy, relatively speaking, for an entertainment news program. But this year is completely different from last year. Kris may have won by a large margin, but he still has a lot to prove. Last year, David C. was heavily favored. All the bloggers and media wanted him to win. The producers wanted him to win. He won by 12 million votes. Even if everyone voted 100 times, that's still 120,000 people. Very decisive. And then he sold 3X more downloads than DA. Then he sold like double the amount of albums. Case closed. There was really no competition there. But with Kris, he only sold like... 10k more than Adam. Comparing that to Cook's outselling DA by 600k, that's waaay too close for comfort. He's like right on his tail! I obviously prefer Kris, but I don't want Adam to fail. But now that Kris has been saddled with the title, he best outperform Adam. If he doesn't, well... look at how they treat Reuben. Reuben did well, but Clay did better, and now it's like Clay is the "real" winner. I don't want that happening to Kris. And of course, it seems like the big story is Adam losing, rather than Kris being the winner. In retrospect, it kind of sucks that Kris won, because now he's under pressure to outsell the runner-up. And Adam is no Diana DeGarmo. He's a very popular runner-up. At the end of the day, it really depends on the material, and how radio recieves it, so I guess we'll have to wait and see. Are you talking about David C. and A.'s current album sales? (1) This is not the thread for that, and (2) your stats are kind of wrong--nearly double, lol. But whatever. I'm not getting in a stupid Davids fanwar with you in a thread for Kris Allen. You tried to start one in the Cook thread, too. Come on. Go light a candle at your Cook shrine or something. I only brought up last season because they did cruelly bring up the margin. Like a voting margin has squat to do with either one of their future careers.
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Post by sunpeach on May 27, 2009 17:38:55 GMT -5
Ryan Seacrest made a point of saying on the Larry King show that he was not given any margin of victory that Kris had on Adam and had no idea what it was- I think that was done to answer people who kept saying the margin mut be huge because he didn't say anything.
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Post by atgs on May 27, 2009 17:49:20 GMT -5
I think she's talking about the first week of downloads after idol. The fact that Kris didn't sell much more than Adam, and that Adam sold more albums doesn't make it as clear post AI that Kris deserved it for all those who think he shouldn't have won. It's not like what happened last year when Cook sold a lot more after the finale.
Look, it's true Adam is more popular, there's not denying that. Probably Adam will do better after AI... but that's not the end of it all for Kris. Let the media find a new story and they'll forget AI season 8 pretty fast. What Kris will need is label support.
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Post by realityBITES on May 27, 2009 18:27:55 GMT -5
I don't think Adam is more popular at all. If so, his sales # (at least out of the gate) would be substantially higher. Just by glancing over the overall #s, it tells me that while the media was pushing Adam to win, he wasn't really the front-runner they made him out to be.
And to be honest, I kind of thought Adam was going to outsell Kris initially. I'm glad Kris held his own.
Of course, the real test is when they release their debut albums. I mean, this is like debating Bo vs. Carrie's "Inside Your Heaven."
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Post by soundUPsceneDOWN on May 27, 2009 19:40:35 GMT -5
I think she's talking about the first week of downloads after idol. The fact that Kris didn't sell much more than Adam, and that Adam sold more albums doesn't make it as clear post AI that Kris deserved it for all those who think he shouldn't have won. It's not like what happened last year when Cook sold a lot more after the finale. Look, it's true Adam is more popular, there's not denying that. Probably Adam will do better after AI... but that's not the end of it all for Kris. Let the media find a new story and they'll forget AI season 8 pretty fast. What Kris will need is label support. What sells because of American Idol doesn't mean anything in terms of after-Idol success or popularity. Some artists just sell better when exposed to the American Idol audience. Maybe it's because their audience IS the American Idol audience. Other artists don't really get that huge of a boost from being on American Idol because their core audience ISN'T the American Idol audience (even past contestants like, yeah, Archuleta--his audience now trends younger, in general, than the Idol audience; Jennifer Hudson also doesn't sell all that well from Idol). While Idol may be the #1 show on TV, there are still hundreds of millions of people that don't watch it. And those people have favorite artists too. The average age of an Idol watcher is 43 years old. You got to take that into consideration when analyzing what artists seem to do better because of the show. American Idol voters and viewers do not represent America. They don't even represent American listeners of CHR because CHR listeners skew younger than the Idol audience. So Adam doing better or worse than Kris the week after the finale (depending one what stats you want to pay attention to) means pretty much nothing at this point. Last year was the same way. Cook isn't a single seller now, so the hype and craziness that happened right after last year's finale wasn't representative of how he sells individual songs (note: I'm not dissing Cook-he sells albums just fine, but I'm stating a fact here-he's not the best single seller and that's what we're talking about). He sells really well when exposed to the American Idol audience. But on his own, without the boost of an American Idol performance, or American Idol montage, or use of his song on American Idol, he doesn't sell singles all that well. Who the heck knows whether Adam or Kris will be like that or not. It's far too soon to tell because neither one has a single that's independent of American Idol. Maybe Adam will be an album seller and Kris a singles seller. Maybe vice versa. I can't tell what Adam's genre would be so I can't really predict. Usually rock sells more albums than singles, and pop sells more singles than albums. Ultimately anything that happens within the next few weeks means pretty much *nothing* as to their future careers. Nor will I concede that Adam is more popular than Kris. Adam gets a lot of media attention, but that's not surprising. He's Hollywood's poster boy. Doesn't mean more people like him.
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Post by tinawina on May 27, 2009 20:55:40 GMT -5
What sells because of American Idol doesn't mean anything in terms of after-Idol success or popularity. Some artists just sell better when exposed to the American Idol audience. Maybe it's because their audience IS the American Idol audience. Other artists don't really get that huge of a boost from being on American Idol because their core audience ISN'T the American Idol audience (even past contestants like, yeah, Archuleta--his audience now trends younger, in general, than the Idol audience; Jennifer Hudson also doesn't sell all that well from Idol). While Idol may be the #1 show on TV, there are still hundreds of millions of people that don't watch it. And those people have favorite artists too. The average age of an Idol watcher is 43 years old. You got to take that into consideration when analyzing what artists seem to do better because of the show. American Idol voters and viewers do not represent America. They don't even represent American listeners of CHR because CHR listeners skew younger than the Idol audience. So Adam doing better or worse than Kris the week after the finale (depending one what stats you want to pay attention to) means pretty much nothing at this point. Last year was the same way. Cook isn't a single seller now, so the hype and craziness that happened right after last year's finale wasn't representative of how he sells individual songs (note: I'm not dissing Cook-he sells albums just fine, but I'm stating a fact here-he's not the best single seller and that's what we're talking about). He sells really well when exposed to the American Idol audience. But on his own, without the boost of an American Idol performance, or American Idol montage, or use of his song on American Idol, he doesn't sell singles all that well. Who the heck knows whether Adam or Kris will be like that or not. It's far too soon to tell because neither one has a single that's independent of American Idol. Maybe Adam will be an album seller and Kris a singles seller. Maybe vice versa. I can't tell what Adam's genre would be so I can't really predict. Usually rock sells more albums than singles, and pop sells more singles than albums. Ultimately anything that happens within the next few weeks means pretty much *nothing* as to their future careers. Nor will I concede that Adam is more popular than Kris. Adam gets a lot of media attention, but that's not surprising. He's Hollywood's poster boy. Doesn't mean more people like him. I actually agree with the gist of this, except the bolded part. Idol has never represented the average CHR listener yet it still managed to manufacture pop stars. At their peak the 6-35(?) represented 24% of idol watchers. Now this demo is down to 17%. Idol is still a top rated show among tweens (the 6-13 part). Older teens and under 25 adults have never been huge idol watchers and THAT is the CHR demo. Idol has bled these types a bit and lots of the older 20s people, that is what is making the average age rise. Still, Idol's older audience didn't seem to hurt Jordin this year nor help Taylor Hicks. Some label marketing wonk dude just went on record saying the research shows today's idol's listeners to 3 kinds of radio stations... pop, pop/rock, and country... and that is what makes it difficult for contestants who are not clearly in those demos. So Rueben and Jennifer would have some issues selling from idol appearances. All that said, I totally agree that this stuff is not an indicator of how they will do out in the real world. It is a possible window into the 1st week or 2 of album sales, and somewhat through the christmas season. But after that they are on their own, and the conventions of sales respective to their genres take over, in addition to song/album quality, push, etc. I really like Kris Allen. Adam too, but Kris is just more interesting in terms of tracking where he goes from here, for me. And now he's on Jive of all places. That makes him even more interesting! LOL. I mean what direction are they going with him? The mind boggles.
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Post by Spacy-Haha on May 27, 2009 21:51:54 GMT -5
Kris seems to go with Jive.
Allaccess has changed his label from rca to jive
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Post by ₫anny Jerz ♔ on May 27, 2009 21:55:01 GMT -5
Debuts at #11 on The Hot 100. ("Heartless" debuts at #16.)
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Post by JamaicaFunk² on May 27, 2009 22:59:02 GMT -5
I hope he can move up at least one spot next week so that he scores a top 10. So close. Today Show tomorrow, right?
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