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Post by discoloser on Apr 19, 2010 18:07:34 GMT -5
Darkchild's work is kinda ....hit or miss. Brandy has to know that...im sure.
I also feel like Brandy should have worked with Timbaland on her last album and his label, not Epic.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2010 5:06:26 GMT -5
Brandy is right -- Rodney's material on Human was NOT that hot. They've lost their chemistry.
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Post by weaver on Apr 20, 2010 5:46:22 GMT -5
I watched the show, and she did talk about rapping and a "Brand New" character. Her mom was like NOOOOO.
On a side note...does anyone else thinks Brandy looks....really skinny? Maybe she's always like that, I can't remember, but in a few shots I thought she looked very very thin.
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Post by esoteric76 on Apr 20, 2010 11:21:54 GMT -5
Darkchild's work is kinda ....hit or miss. Brandy has to know that...im sure. I also feel like Brandy should have worked with Timbaland on her last album and his label, not Epic. This would have not necessarily meant a hit album. Timbaland gave Brandy a killer track with "Sadiddy" from her Aphrodisiac album, and the label did nothing with it. Honestly, I though Jerkins gave Brandy some of the most melodic tracks (on Human) that we've heard from him. The music was there, but the audience wasn't. Maybe the music was wrong for Brandy, but it was still good.
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Post by Rich on Apr 20, 2010 16:35:18 GMT -5
Darkchild's work is kinda ....hit or miss. Brandy has to know that...im sure. I also feel like Brandy should have worked with Timbaland on her last album and his label, not Epic. This would have not necessarily meant a hit album. Timbaland gave Brandy a killer track with "Sadiddy" from her Aphrodisiac album, and the label did nothing with it. Honestly, I though Jerkins gave Brandy some of the most melodic tracks (on Human) that we've heard from him. The music was there, but the audience wasn't. Maybe the music was wrong for Brandy, but it was still good. yeah radio was'nt with her music, she always makes really good music.
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Post by Night Senses on Apr 20, 2010 17:48:32 GMT -5
I watched the show, and she did talk about rapping and a "Brand New" character. Her mom was like NOOOOO. On a side note...does anyone else thinks Brandy looks....really skinny? Maybe she's always like that, I can't remember, but in a few shots I thought she looked very very thin. I met her back in 2004, and she was freakishly thin. She's been like that for a long time. Mind you, the camera adds 10 pounds on TV, so she's actually even thinner.
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Post by Rich on Apr 20, 2010 18:32:59 GMT -5
Brandy needs a new sound, she needs to blame her label for poor promotion, and she needs better producers. "Human" was a really good album tho, just may'be not very radio friendly.
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Post by SHOOTER on Apr 20, 2010 22:29:22 GMT -5
If Urban Brandy would come back, I'm sure she could experience a Monica-type rebound. No more of this pop/crossover business.
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Post by Rich on Apr 20, 2010 22:48:24 GMT -5
If Urban Brandy would come back, I'm sure she could experience a Monica-type rebound. No more of this pop/crossover business. Pop Crossover? Lol it seemed to me she was only releasing r&b.
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Post by Night Senses on Apr 20, 2010 23:08:25 GMT -5
If Urban Brandy would come back, I'm sure she could experience a Monica-type rebound. No more of this pop/crossover business. The thing is, Brandy has always been a pop star with urban capabilities. She hasn't been completely urban since her debut album (and even that one had smidges of pop appeal here and there). "Never Say Never" was a crossover album, as was "Full Moon." And even though "Afrodisiac" had its core-urban moments, it was a very commercially appealing album with the whole Timbaland sound stamped all over it. Brandy's best songs, IMO, are the ones that merge pop and R&B. "Almost Doesn't Count," "Have You Ever," "Sittin' Up In My Room," "Full Moon," etc. are all songs that fit the Top 40 and Urban mold. Even if she never has another mainstream hit again, I'd hate to see her shrivel up and conform to one style. She's a crossover artist and she should continue being one, even if it does her no favors commercially. Strictly urban does not work for everyone. I just want a great album that blends the best of Brandy into one project. I thought "Human" was good even though it's a very mood-driven album. For example, if I'm feeling energetic, I wouldn't exactly put that record on. I'd most likely reach for "Afrodisiac" or "Full Moon" instead.
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Post by starr on Apr 25, 2010 23:00:52 GMT -5
It looks like Rodney "Darkchild" Jerkins would love to work with Brandy again but, I think he wants Brandy to be on his record label. He said he doesn't want to be the "hired producer." Rodney wasn't happy about Brandy signing to Epic Records.
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Post by Tanisha Thomas. on Apr 25, 2010 23:05:33 GMT -5
It seemed like she was blaming Darkchild for her album bombing.
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Post by SHOOTER on Apr 26, 2010 0:24:57 GMT -5
Rodney will never be fully satisfied until he's the one doing Brandy's entire album again.
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Post by Rich on Apr 26, 2010 3:54:48 GMT -5
If Urban Brandy would come back, I'm sure she could experience a Monica-type rebound. No more of this pop/crossover business. The thing is, Brandy has always been a pop star with urban capabilities. She hasn't been completely urban since her debut album (and even that one had smidges of pop appeal here and there). "Never Say Never" was a crossover album, as was "Full Moon." And even though "Afrodisiac" had its core-urban moments, it was a very commercially appealing album with the whole Timbaland sound stamped all over it. Brandy's best songs, IMO, are the ones that merge pop and R&B. "Almost Doesn't Count," "Have You Ever," "Sittin' Up In My Room," "Full Moon," etc. are all songs that fit the Top 40 and Urban mold. Even if she never has another mainstream hit again, I'd hate to see her shrivel up and conform to one style. She's a crossover artist and she should continue being one, even if it does her no favors commercially. Strictly urban does not work for everyone. I just want a great album that blends the best of Brandy into one project. I thought "Human" was good even though it's a very mood-driven album. For example, if I'm feeling energetic, I wouldn't exactly put that record on. I'd most likely reach for "Afrodisiac" or "Full Moon" instead. exactly ^
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Post by ItGirl on Apr 26, 2010 8:52:45 GMT -5
I thought last night's ep was very interesting. She was kinda hard on Darkchild, IMO. Maybe Human wasn't the best but they had built up enough equity in the past for her to not take it so personal. I don't know. I thought all of her biggest hits were from their collabos.
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Apr 26, 2010 9:06:31 GMT -5
Rodney will never be fully satisfied until he's the one doing Brandy's entire album again. I kinda agree with Rodney's side on Human. She had Bryan Michael-Cox and Brian Kennedy executive produce before she decided to work with him again. He's 3rd string.
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Post by stunnedout on Apr 26, 2010 16:35:13 GMT -5
If Urban Brandy would come back, I'm sure she could experience a Monica-type rebound. No more of this pop/crossover business. The thing is, Brandy has always been a pop star with urban capabilities. She hasn't been completely urban since her debut album (and even that one had smidges of pop appeal here and there). "Never Say Never" was a crossover album, as was "Full Moon." And even though "Afrodisiac" had its core-urban moments, it was a very commercially appealing album with the whole Timbaland sound stamped all over it. Thats not true. If you look at Brandys chart stats her R&B hits faar out number her success on the pop charts. Her songs were r&b hits that occasionally crossed to the pop charts (many of her songs were never huge pop hits but rhythmic radio hits), but she is and has always been a R&B artist that crossed over, not vice versa. She made radio friendly music but its always been rb. "Human" had her most pop sounding material to date and as a result it tanked. Brandy's core and primary support base has always been urban.
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Post by Rich on Apr 26, 2010 16:39:50 GMT -5
The thing is, Brandy has always been a pop star with urban capabilities. She hasn't been completely urban since her debut album (and even that one had smidges of pop appeal here and there). "Never Say Never" was a crossover album, as was "Full Moon." And even though "Afrodisiac" had its core-urban moments, it was a very commercially appealing album with the whole Timbaland sound stamped all over it. Thats not true. If you look at Brandys chart stats her R&B hits faar out number her success on the pop charts. Her songs were r&b hits that occasionally crossed to the pop charts (many of her songs were never huge pop hits but rhythmic radio hits), but she is and has always been a R&B artist that crossed over, not vice versa. She made radio friendly music but its always been rb. "Human" had her most pop sounding material to date and as a result it tanked. Brandy's core and primary support base has always been urban. I think she's an R&b artist with pop crossover appeal, either way she has music than can tread both genres. But to mesh the best of both worlds is always a great thing, and i think thats what she should go for this go around.
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Post by stunnedout on Apr 26, 2010 16:40:33 GMT -5
Rodney will never be fully satisfied until he's the one doing Brandy's entire album again. I kinda agree with Rodney's side on Human. She had Bryan Michael-Cox and Brian Kennedy executive produce before she decided to work with him again. He's 3rd string. Thats bull. Darkchild doesnt have a problem doin 1 or 2 tracks on a Beyocne or Britney album. he is damn near begging to get that, but he thinks he has automatic rights to doing Brandys whole album? He needs to get the idea out of his head. The 1 off tracks he did for Beyonce (deja vu) Destiny's Child (cater 2 u, Lose my breath), Ciara (puker up), etc. Even the tracks he did for Toni Braxton were all hotter than what he gave Brandy. Perhaps if he was giving her FIRE material, she wouldve let him do more.....and yet he still did majority of the album!
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Post by Active Aggressive on Apr 26, 2010 16:53:05 GMT -5
I watched the show, and she did talk about rapping and a "Brand New" character. Her mom was like NOOOOO. On a side note...does anyone else thinks Brandy looks....really skinny? Maybe she's always like that, I can't remember, but in a few shots I thought she looked very very thin. I met her back in 2004, and she was freakishly thin. She's been like that for a long time. Mind you, the camera adds 10 pounds on TV, so she's actually even thinner. She had a publicized bout with anorexia or bulimia, which was the reason for her hospitalization for "exhaustion" back when she was doing Moesha. I think she has overcome it; she has had a kid since then and doesn't like as bad as she did at her worst.
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Post by Night Senses on Apr 26, 2010 18:02:23 GMT -5
The thing is, Brandy has always been a pop star with urban capabilities. She hasn't been completely urban since her debut album (and even that one had smidges of pop appeal here and there). "Never Say Never" was a crossover album, as was "Full Moon." And even though "Afrodisiac" had its core-urban moments, it was a very commercially appealing album with the whole Timbaland sound stamped all over it. Thats not true. If you look at Brandys chart stats her R&B hits faar out number her success on the pop charts. Her songs were r&b hits that occasionally crossed to the pop charts (many of her songs were never huge pop hits but rhythmic radio hits), but she is and has always been a R&B artist that crossed over, not vice versa. She made radio friendly music but its always been rb. "Human" had her most pop sounding material to date and as a result it tanked. Brandy's core and primary support base has always been urban. From a sonic standpoint, no. I think she is Pop and R&B. She is a blend, and it's been that way since "Never Say Never," on which she began to incorporate more pop into her music. Doesn't matter if she doesn't have the hits to back it up, it doesn't mean she wasn't trying to crossover. She has the appeal, whether it's worked often or not. It's no surprise that her biggest selling album contained a pop ballad written by Dianne Warren, a staccato pop-driven midtempo with urban flare and a huge crossover pop/R&B duet produced by Rodney Jerkins. I just don't think Brandy has never been "core" anything for awhile. She does not just make R&B music. Come on now. An artist like Brandy was made for Top 40, but unfortunately, a lot of things have changed.
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Post by stunnedout on Apr 26, 2010 19:57:01 GMT -5
Thats not true. If you look at Brandys chart stats her R&B hits faar out number her success on the pop charts. Her songs were r&b hits that occasionally crossed to the pop charts (many of her songs were never huge pop hits but rhythmic radio hits), but she is and has always been a R&B artist that crossed over, not vice versa. She made radio friendly music but its always been rb. "Human" had her most pop sounding material to date and as a result it tanked. Brandy's core and primary support base has always been urban. From a sonic standpoint, no. I think she is Pop and R&B. She is a blend, and it's been that way since "Never Say Never," on which she began to incorporate more pop into her music. Doesn't matter if she doesn't have the hits to back it up, it doesn't mean she wasn't trying to crossover. She has the appeal, whether it's worked often or not. It's no surprise that her biggest selling album contained a pop ballad written by Dianne Warren, a staccato pop-driven midtempo with urban flare and a huge crossover pop/R&B duet produced by Rodney Jerkins. I just don't think Brandy has never been "core" anything for awhile. She does not just make R&B music. Come on now. An artist like Brandy was made for Top 40, but unfortunately, a lot of things have changed. From every standpoint, no she is a R&B artist plain and simple. I dont know why people want to make R&B artists into pop artists, but Brandy has never been a pop artist. She recorded a pop ballad, so has Patti Labelle, Beyonce, Monica, TLC, Ashanti, Mary J. Blige, etc, etc, etc. They have all recorded pop ballads or songs that have crossed over but they are STILL R&b artists. There is a difference between a R&b artist making a crossover song and a R&b artist being a pop artist. There is also a difference between being a mainstream recording artist and being a pop artist. Every black female artist that makes a crosses over record, people want to start claiming them as pop. NO. Brandy has always been a R&B artist and she has the chart record to prove it.
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Post by Night Senses on Apr 26, 2010 20:08:46 GMT -5
From a sonic standpoint, no. I think she is Pop and R&B. She is a blend, and it's been that way since "Never Say Never," on which she began to incorporate more pop into her music. Doesn't matter if she doesn't have the hits to back it up, it doesn't mean she wasn't trying to crossover. She has the appeal, whether it's worked often or not. It's no surprise that her biggest selling album contained a pop ballad written by Dianne Warren, a staccato pop-driven midtempo with urban flare and a huge crossover pop/R&B duet produced by Rodney Jerkins. I just don't think Brandy has never been "core" anything for awhile. She does not just make R&B music. Come on now. An artist like Brandy was made for Top 40, but unfortunately, a lot of things have changed. From every standpoint, no she is a R&B artist plain and simple. I dont know why people want to make R&B artists into pop artists, but Brandy has never been a pop artist. She recorded a pop ballad, so has Patti Labelle, Beyonce, Monica, TLC, Ashanti, Mary J. Blige, etc, etc, etc. They have all recorded pop ballads or songs that have crossed over but they are STILL R&b artists. There is a difference between a R&b artist making a crossover song and a R&b artist being a pop artist. There is also a difference between being a mainstream recording artist and being a pop artist. Every black female artist that makes a crosses over record, people want to start claiming them as pop. NO. Brandy has always been a R&B artist and she has the chart record to prove it. I never said she wasn't an R&B artist, I said she wasn't solely an R&B artist. Can you show me where I specifically called her a Pop artist? You're basically cornering her into a box, so have fun with that. Like I said, from a sonic standpoint, she is a crossover artist. I even already said she started out as an R&B artist with very little traces of wanting to appeal to a more mainstream audience, but this changed with her second album. Not going to argue semantics, because that's pointless. I see it differently. Agree to disagree.
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Post by stunnedout on Apr 26, 2010 22:52:05 GMT -5
You can see it any way u want to but it is wat it is. The genres are clearly defined. She is a R&b artist that had a few crossover hits just like majority of the other R&B female artists during her peak (Aaliyah, Mya, Monica, etc). Thats all.
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Post by Night Senses on Apr 26, 2010 23:43:50 GMT -5
You can see it any way u want to Thank you, because I really needed your validation.
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Post by 1NABILLION. on Apr 27, 2010 10:11:32 GMT -5
Brandy was mad because she felt like Darckchild was saving the good beats for other artists (He tried to give his best work to Beyonce and Brit, But Bey only used one track and Britney used NONE) So I know he feels like an idiot.
Just like brandy said, they are married in music. He gets jealous when Bran works with other Producers and Bran does when Darkchild does.
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Post by Sir Benji on Apr 27, 2010 10:17:55 GMT -5
they need to make up and get in the studio and come up with some FIRE for her new album, i hope she's working with him i like her working with Timbaland but she really should get back with Darkchild and he does not need to give her material similar to "Human" i <3 that album but the material was way too Adult Pop for her.
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Post by B****BetterGetNOSL333P on Apr 27, 2010 11:17:23 GMT -5
I hit up Darkchild & brandy on Twitter. I do hope the two of us would kiss & make up and work together again. I prefer Brandy + Darkchild than Brandy + Timbo. Timbo always comes out with same same beat over & over again nowadays.
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Post by esoteric76 on Apr 27, 2010 12:55:59 GMT -5
they need to make up and get in the studio and come up with some FIRE for her new album, i hope she's working with him i like her working with Timbaland but she really should get back with Darkchild and he does not need to give her material similar to "Human" i <3 that album but the material was way too Adult Pop for her. Yet, Human made perfect sense because it had a very defined focus and sound from start to finish. Her interview with Vibe talked about why she felt the need to make that album, and from the adult-pop that Darkchild and Brandy turned out, it sounds like they were completely on the same page. I don't know why Brandy is saying that Rodney wasn't giving his all, because that album was flawless. I think her mistake was delivering a pop album through a major label (epic) when they were going to struggle getting an audience to accept this new, adult sound from her. (she could have done the album indie as a side project or something, but no, she wanted a major on board, and the album flopped) That being said, I really hope that they do work together again, and find the right direction for her. (I still thought Human was her most cohesive album...)
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Post by SHOOTER on Apr 27, 2010 14:12:00 GMT -5
I've never thought of Rodney as this consistently amazing producer because a lot of his work is hit and miss with me but I do believe that his and Brandy's chemistry will always surpass her chemistry with Timbaland.
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