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Post by Tony on Dec 4, 2009 15:02:23 GMT -5
ITM should be 3rd, definitely IMO. Did the people at Jordin's label say anything about her third US single, or did they at least say that she is getting a third single? Well I got the info from the head of the International Marketing dept at Jive, and she just said that DLIGTYH is a UK only single, she didn't say anything about the US single. But I have another source, not as reliable though, saying that It Takes More is the third US single. I'm not taking it to seriously, this person has been both right and wrong about Jordin's previous singles.
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Post by ificanthaveyou on Dec 4, 2009 15:40:38 GMT -5
I love Jordin, but poor girl is going through the sophomore slump. It sucks since she had an amazing first era, and she looked destined to repeat it again this era.
I don't want to sound like a wet blanket, but I just don't see this album recovering at this point. Battlefield was not big enough to generate interest, and SOS is killing any momentum that the album might have had. I really really hope she proves me wrong and Battefield increases its weekly sales to eventually hit a million though!
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Post by KMJ1 on Dec 4, 2009 15:42:07 GMT -5
LOL^ 1 million?- how about 200k lmao
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Post by soundUPsceneDOWN on Dec 4, 2009 15:56:18 GMT -5
LOL^ 1 million?- how about 200k lmao Yeah I sadly have to agree. 1 million is pretty much out of reach for Jordin unless something very unexpected and miracle-like occurs. At this point if Jive releases a third single (and I think they will), the most she can hope for is a well-selling single that will increase her buzz.
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Post by ificanthaveyou on Dec 4, 2009 16:05:32 GMT -5
^maybe a re-release with an amazing new Max/Luke song will help:P
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Post by Robot Love on Dec 4, 2009 23:36:01 GMT -5
Jive's not releasing a 3rd US single.
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Post by Illusions on Dec 4, 2009 23:48:29 GMT -5
^^ I believe they will, but if the 3rd one flops this era is over. They better choose the best single. **cough** WOS or NP **cough**
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Post by Robot Love on Dec 5, 2009 0:38:36 GMT -5
^^ I believe they will, but if the 3rd one flops this era is over. They better choose the best single. **cough** WOS or NP **cough** I doubt they will, they didn't even release a 4th single from her debut after OSAAT went to #3 n CHR.
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Post by Justin. on Dec 5, 2009 0:42:24 GMT -5
^^ I believe they will, but if the 3rd one flops this era is over. They better choose the best single. **cough** WOS or NP **cough** I doubt they will, they didn't even release a 4th single from her debut after OSAAT went to #3 n CHR. Probably either because they wanted to go out on a good note & not risk releasing a flop, or by the time OSAAT peaked it was time for the Christmas freeze. Which is probably why they just went on to the next album. She will get a third single, no doubt in my mind. 4th, I don't know. Depends on how the 3rd does.
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Post by Robot Love on Dec 5, 2009 0:49:51 GMT -5
I honesty believe with all of my heart she won't. :(
And a 4th single (Freeze) would have done wonder for the Christmas shopping holiday. I honestly don't know what this label thinks or why they do things the way they do. Which is part of the reason I believe she won't get another single.
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Post by soundUPsceneDOWN on Dec 5, 2009 2:34:51 GMT -5
I honesty believe with all of my heart she won't. :( And a 4th single (Freeze) would have done wonder for the Christmas shopping holiday. I honestly don't know what this label thinks or why they do things the way they do. Which is part of the reason I believe she won't get another single. I think Jive's strategy is pretty basic business strategy. When choosing whether to to release a new single they weigh how much it'll cost them to push the single versus how much money they believe they can make off of that single. Pushing a single isn't free--it costs personnel hours, sometimes travel, production of promotional discs, sending packages out to radio stations, maybe the artist goes on another radio promo tour, etc. If all that will cost more than they can make back selling albums, ringtones or downloads, then they won't release the single. In other words--is it worth it? By the time OSAAT was over and done, Jordin was barely selling any albums each week. OSAAT didn't help sell her album all that well (No Air did the bulk of the work). So releasing another single from her first album probably wasn't going to sell many more albums, either. Even if Freeze was successful, the general public was pretty much done with Jordin's album. If somebody wasn't going to buy her album after three top 5 singles, then chances are they weren't going to after (maybe) the fourth. It's not like Jordin was a pop culture phenom like Lady Gaga this year or Rihanna last year that made her an "it" album to buy. I don't think there's any way, shape or form that Jordin didn't make Jive a tidy profit off her first album and singles, so Jive said, okay, let's stop. To push it further will cost more money than we think we can make back. But the decision was probably rather easy because Jive had made a profit already. Here, I'm not so sure they've profited off of Battlefield. I don't think the album was overly costly, but it's sold so few copies. Battlefield the single sold pretty well, and she may have sold a decent number of ringtones, but I don't think that makes up for an album that is struggling to sell 200K. Hence, Jive's decision isn't so easy because they probably haven't made a profit. They could try a third single to see if the public responds to it like No Air, and it winds up selling Jordin's album. It may just be worth it to try and get the album to be profitable for them.
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Post by Rurry on Dec 5, 2009 2:50:43 GMT -5
I honesty believe with all of my heart she won't. :( And a 4th single (Freeze) would have done wonder for the Christmas shopping holiday. I honestly don't know what this label thinks or why they do things the way they do. Which is part of the reason I believe she won't get another single. Well they were planning on going with Permanent Monday for the 4th single originally...which...yeah. Good song, but not a single.
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Post by Kworb on Dec 5, 2009 7:40:33 GMT -5
I think it must've been Jordin who didn't want to release Freeze as a single, for whatever reason.
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Post by Flare on Dec 5, 2009 7:56:43 GMT -5
I think it must've been Jordin who didn't want to release Freeze as a single, for whatever reason. I don't think she would have much say to be honest.
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Post by Tony on Dec 5, 2009 9:53:48 GMT -5
I think it must've been Jordin who didn't want to release Freeze as a single, for whatever reason. No, if there was one song she wanted as a single -- that would be it. It's the only track she co-wrote on her first CD.
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Post by Justin. on Dec 5, 2009 10:03:33 GMT -5
I think it must've been Jordin who didn't want to release Freeze as a single, for whatever reason. I don't think she would have much say to be honest. She chose to release OSAAT against Jive's wishes.
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Post by Kworb on Dec 5, 2009 11:21:23 GMT -5
Up to #38 on AT40. That's nice and all but it's so stupid this chart is like a month behind.
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Post by Flare on Dec 5, 2009 13:43:43 GMT -5
She chose to release OSAAT against Jive's wishes. How's that then? Jive would have to be on board to fund artwork and the video etc. No way is she big enough to demand a single release and her label would just comply. They would have had to agree too.
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Post by Tony on Dec 5, 2009 18:00:32 GMT -5
She chose to release OSAAT against Jive's wishes. How's that then? Jive would have to be on board to fund artwork and the video etc. No way is she big enough to demand a single release and her label would just comply. They would have had to agree too. Actually, artists pay for the videos theirselves.
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Post by Flare on Dec 6, 2009 13:34:41 GMT -5
Actually, artists pay for the videos theirselves. No they don't. The label 'loan' them the money which they have to pay back with sales. It doesn't come out of the artist's own pocket when they are signed to a major label.
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Post by Sir Benji on Dec 6, 2009 14:19:27 GMT -5
How's that then? Jive would have to be on board to fund artwork and the video etc. No way is she big enough to demand a single release and her label would just comply. They would have had to agree too. Actually, artists pay for the videos theirselves. they don't but , that poster was right Jordin pushed really hard for OSAAT but the label wanted to release "Freeze" but the label caved and gave Jordin what she wanted and the song did well, so when it was time for the 4th single they wanted "Freeze" but she wanted "Permanent Monday" it seemed like they were gonna go with her single choice but months went by and no adds date or anything popped up so i assume Jive told her "Freeze" or nothing at all so she chose the latter.
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Post by monroe (II) on Dec 6, 2009 15:08:05 GMT -5
I'm really worried about Sparks' future. S.O.S. is starting to take off in the rest of the Europe (outside Sweden and the U.K.) right now. Her album sales are not good at all. At this point there is no meaning in releasing another single. Not even Kelly Clarkson's 'My December' that had sold over 500,000 copies at this point didn't get a 3rd single. In the later case though there would have had effect if a 3rd single had hit airwaves. Unfortunately, in the current situation her label could drop her (Sparks). I hope not though. She should go in the studio and record an album for fall 10. And also record a duet for another huge act's album that will be released in early 10 to build some momentum. If only the Timbaland project had worked... She could be the next Rihanna.
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Post by Tony on Dec 6, 2009 16:09:47 GMT -5
Actually, artists pay for the videos theirselves. they don't but , that poster was right Jordin pushed really hard for OSAAT but the label wanted to release "Freeze" but the label caved and gave Jordin what she wanted and the song did well, so when it was time for the 4th single they wanted "Freeze" but she wanted "Permanent Monday" it seemed like they were gonna go with her single choice but months went by and no adds date or anything popped up so i assume Jive told her "Freeze" or nothing at all so she chose the latter. Umm, no... That's not what went down. She would much rather have Freeze than Permanent Monday. Where are you getting this stuff from? ???
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Post by Mike79 on Dec 6, 2009 16:10:38 GMT -5
Actually, artists pay for the videos theirselves. they don't but , that poster was right Jordin pushed really hard for OSAAT but the label wanted to release "Freeze" but the label caved and gave Jordin what she wanted and the song did well, so when it was time for the 4th single they wanted "Freeze" but she wanted "Permanent Monday" it seemed like they were gonna go with her single choice but months went by and no adds date or anything popped up so i assume Jive told her "Freeze" or nothing at all so she chose the latter. I never understood why there was never a 4th single. She had three hits in a row, why not send FREEZE or PERMANENT MONDAY for adds? HUUUUUUUGE MISTAKE! Bigger mistake is chosing "SOS" as the follow up to Battlefield. Even bigger mistake is omitting the song "Vertigo" on her latest album.
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Post by Tony on Dec 6, 2009 16:31:26 GMT -5
they don't but , that poster was right Jordin pushed really hard for OSAAT but the label wanted to release "Freeze" but the label caved and gave Jordin what she wanted and the song did well, so when it was time for the 4th single they wanted "Freeze" but she wanted "Permanent Monday" it seemed like they were gonna go with her single choice but months went by and no adds date or anything popped up so i assume Jive told her "Freeze" or nothing at all so she chose the latter. I never understood why there was never a 4th single. She had three hits in a row, why not send FREEZE or PERMANENT MONDAY for adds? HUUUUUUUGE MISTAKE! Bigger mistake is chosing "SOS" as the follow up to Battlefield. Even bigger mistake is omitting the song "Vertigo" on her latest album. I can see why they didn't release a fourth single... they waited too long and then Christmas was coming up which would kill the single in the freeze... if they waited until January to release a new single, all the buzz would be gone and the single, whatever it was, would most likely flop. And it had sold one million copies in the US, which was probably all it was going to sell.
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Post by Kishi KCM on Dec 6, 2009 22:59:02 GMT -5
I reckon if Freeze immediately followed OSAAT, it would have been a smart move. But that was 2008.
Now, Battlefield needed a stronger follow-up...Walking On Snow was that. It Takes More, No Parade, and Let It Rain are strong 3rd and 4th candidates.
But if the label doesn't find it worth the money and effort, the album has fell off the BB 200, SOS tanked, so consider this era finished.
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Post by gin on Dec 7, 2009 23:36:44 GMT -5
My station has recently been spinning the crap out of this and it sounds great on the radio. I wasn't expecting a track like this from Jordin. The first four singles of her career have been ballads/mid-tempos, so this was an abrupt change of pace for audiences, not that that's a bad thing. I don't know why exactly this flopped, but I have to applaud Jordin for switching it up. Sadly, it was a bold move that should have been rewarded with success, yet it didn't quite pay off.
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Post by blurple on Dec 8, 2009 0:53:32 GMT -5
What's the peak of this?
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Post by Choco on Dec 8, 2009 12:34:46 GMT -5
Nov, 6 Sunday evening update: 35 31 JORDIN SPARKS S.O.S. (Let The Music Play) 1331 1144 187 4.830
Next week it went down to #32 because Fifteen moved ahead of it, and then it peaked.
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Post by tinawina on Dec 8, 2009 13:18:59 GMT -5
Unfortunately, in the current situation her label could drop her (Sparks). I hope not though. She should go in the studio and record an album for fall 10. They'd be crazy to drop her. She has name recognition at a level that it would take a lot time and money to recreate for someone new, plus she has an outstanding track record at pop, SOS or no SOS. No way are they trowing that away. If they don't put out a new song from this album, I bet they just send her in the studio to start recording for round 3. And they should take the opportunity to tinker with her image a bit, to help her pop out more as a unique artist and pull a larger devoted fanbase.
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