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Post by Nic (Britney Spears) on Sept 11, 2009 8:34:21 GMT -5
What do you think, does single Ladies deserve 9 nominations for the VMAs? I think it does not deserve them, and this video is not that significant or that good .. it's just pretty. It's fun to look at a couple of times.
I prefer many videos this year over Single Ladies, especially Paparazzi
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Post by gin on Sept 11, 2009 8:39:17 GMT -5
Absolutely not.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2009 8:40:18 GMT -5
I can't think of any better videos from the last twelve months.
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Post by WotUNeed on Sept 11, 2009 8:46:03 GMT -5
... 9 nominations for what?
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Post by Choco on Sept 11, 2009 8:49:43 GMT -5
No.
I can't wait for the Beyoncé stans to post something like "oh but it had so much impact blablabla". It was a fun dance video, but there have been better ones.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2009 8:52:15 GMT -5
Can you give me some examples of better ones, though? I'm no Bey st@n, but to deny the massive impact "Single Ladies" had does make you look a little foolish.
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Post by Nic (Britney Spears) on Sept 11, 2009 8:52:22 GMT -5
VMAs sorry.
And i'm not saying the song wasn't popular. I'm just saying there were better videos.
I think, it deserves Special Effects and Choreography and that's it personally.
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Post by Pikachu. on Sept 11, 2009 8:56:05 GMT -5
Massive impact =/= good video.
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Post by WotUNeed on Sept 11, 2009 9:13:49 GMT -5
Ah. In that case, yes, because: 1) The concept of the video was fresh. 2) It struck a chord with the general population, as is evidenced by its MASSIVE IMPACT BLABLABLA. 3) The VMAs are a joke. Of the very narrow field of videos that would even be considered, this is amongst the best, and the VMAs just don't lend themselves to seriously analysing the merit of the nominees. It would be different if one could reasonably expect them to use care and precision and truly find all the best videos regardless of commercial success, but we all know the nature of this beast, and that ain't it.
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Post by coolmusicftw on Sept 11, 2009 9:40:52 GMT -5
I find it dull and hugely overrated by her fans. Some have been coming out with the most ridiculous statements such as it being 'the most influential and legendary music video of the decade'...Please...She's just dancing against a white background with two backup dancers. And I'm not crazy about the style of dancing either..Like she's having a fit or something.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2009 9:43:02 GMT -5
I think Single Ladies deserved some of the nominations, but not all of them.
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Post by banet2001 on Sept 11, 2009 9:55:57 GMT -5
No, Single Ladies does not deserve nine nominations. Then again, this is the VMA's, so it cannot be too surprising. For what ever reason, the VMA's have decided to pander to the teen pop crowd while ignoring the best and most creative music videos year in and year out. This will do nothing but dissolve any remaining confidence music fans may have regarding MTV's willingness to reward the truly most deserving music and videos of the year and add to their reputation as being a joke at best.
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Post by dbhmr on Sept 11, 2009 10:13:19 GMT -5
Ah. In that case, yes, because: 1) The concept of the video was fresh. 2) It struck a chord with the general population, as is evidenced by its MASSIVE IMPACT BLABLABLA. 3) The VMAs are a joke. Of the very narrow field of videos that would even be considered, this is amongst the best, and the VMAs just don't lend themselves to seriously analysing the merit of the nominees. It would be different if one could reasonably expect them to use care and precision and truly find all the best videos regardless of commercial success, but we all know the nature of this beast, and that ain't it.This, particularly the last point.
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Post by Choco on Sept 11, 2009 10:14:52 GMT -5
I agree about the VMAs being a joke.
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Post by aTunes on Sept 11, 2009 11:13:38 GMT -5
LOL at the results of this poll. How can a video be terrible and not deserve a lot of nominations if it made the biggest pop culture impact of any other video in years, maybe even of the decade? Pulse fails again.
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Post by aTunes on Sept 11, 2009 11:15:31 GMT -5
I'd even go as far to say that the SL video helped resurrect music videos, as they were becoming increasingly more and more irrelevant. I think since SL there has been a bit of renewed interest in them again by the general public.
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Post by Nic (Britney Spears) on Sept 11, 2009 11:18:19 GMT -5
Er .. you know, not once in my life did I hear a single person actually say "OH HEYY, DID YOU SEE THE SINGLE LADIES VIDEO?!"
but, on the other hand, everyone I knew freaked out about the "Womanizer", "If U Seek Amy", "Circus", "Paparazzi" videos.
I feel like Beyonce st@ns even overplay the hype, pretending that there was so much more than there actually was, which is totally pathetic.
Paparazzi>Circus>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Single Ladies IMO
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2009 11:23:58 GMT -5
LOL at the results of this poll. How can a video be terrible and not deserve a lot of nominations if it made the biggest pop culture impact of any other video in years, maybe even of the decade? Pulse fails again. While I don't think "Single Ladies" is terrible, a video can easily be terrible and make a big impact. Er .. you know, not once in my life did I hear a single person actually say "OH HEYY, DID YOU SEE THE SINGLE LADIES VIDEO?!" Which is why personal experience is such a terrible way to gauge the success of anything.
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Post by aTunes on Sept 11, 2009 11:25:14 GMT -5
Er .. you know, not once in my life did I hear a single person actually say "OH HEYY, DID YOU SEE THE SINGLE LADIES VIDEO?!" but, on the other hand, everyone I knew freaked out about the "Womanizer", "If U Seek Amy", "Circus", "Paparazzi" videos. I feel like Beyonce st@ns even overplay the hype, pretending that there was so much more than there actually was, which is totally pathetic. Paparazzi>Circus>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Single Ladies IMO Maybe that's the case with the people you personally know. I'm talking about the media and the general public though. SL had a HUGE impact there, and I'm not even a big fan of the song, so not sure how I'm st@nning for it. I'm just stating facts. The SL video phenomenon is what caused the song to crossover, and I don't even remember the last time a song's huge success could be so credited to it's video. The same can certainly not be said about Paparazzi or Circus. I personally happen to prefer those videos over SL, but they are not what made those songs hits, nor did they have a significant pop culture impact. So because of that I think SL deserves every bit of it's nominations, and it deserves to win. It may not be my favorite video, but it did for the format what no other video has done in years.
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Post by HEADOFTHEPACK on Sept 11, 2009 11:28:02 GMT -5
Er .. you know, not once in my life did I hear a single person actually say "OH HEYY, DID YOU SEE THE SINGLE LADIES VIDEO?!" but, on the other hand, everyone I knew freaked out about the "Womanizer", "If U Seek Amy", "Circus", "Paparazzi" videos. I feel like Beyonce Britney st@ns even overplay the hype, pretending that there was so much more than there actually was, which is totally pathetic. Paparazzi>Circus>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Single Ladies IMO Yeah people were having fits over all those Britney videos weren't they. What? Nine nominations seems a lot and I don't think it deserves every single one no, but looking at in comparison with the majority of music videos released over the last year... I'm not really surprised it's been so heavily nominated. It may not have been discussed amongst a load of Britney fans, but that video and its impact was very widely reported and you really can't track the amount of emulations and parodies around the world. That's not overplaying hype, that's fact.
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Post by aTunes on Sept 11, 2009 11:35:50 GMT -5
LOL at the results of this poll. How can a video be terrible and not deserve a lot of nominations if it made the biggest pop culture impact of any other video in years, maybe even of the decade? Pulse fails again. While I don't think "Single Ladies" is terrible, a video can easily be terrible and make a big impact. I somewhat disagree with that. While a video can be huge and certainly be terrible in the eyes of an individual, I think overall it must have some redeeming qualities for so many people to go crazy over it. I don't think so many people are going to randomly cling to something they don't find interesting or good just for the heck of it. I think SL's strengths lied in the fact that it kind of took videos back to basics. It was a less is more approach. By just showing a choreographed dance routine against a simple white background, it was easily accessible to so many different people. Accessibility to such a wide audience can be extremely hard for a video to master. So for that alone, I don't think the SL video can be called terrible, regardless of what one's personal opinion of it is. It mastered something that was very hard to master and should be applauded for that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2009 11:41:55 GMT -5
I somewhat disagree with that. While a video can be huge and certainly be terrible in the eyes of an individual, I think overall it must have some redeeming qualities for so many people to go crazy over it. I don't think so many people are going to randomly cling to something they don't find interesting or good just for the heck of it. Yes, we have a fundamental disagreement there. One of the things that most annoys me is, when defending a song/singer/video/whatever, a person states 'it was successful so it must be good'. Just because a lot of people like something doesn't make it good. A music video certainly doesn't have to have any redeeming features to be successful or loved, and the same logic can be applied to anything, not just works of art.
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Post by aTunes on Sept 11, 2009 11:45:16 GMT -5
I somewhat disagree with that. While a video can be huge and certainly be terrible in the eyes of an individual, I think overall it must have some redeeming qualities for so many people to go crazy over it. I don't think so many people are going to randomly cling to something they don't find interesting or good just for the heck of it. Yes, we have a fundamental disagreement there. One of the things that most annoys me is, when defending a song/singer/video/whatever, a person states 'it was successful so it must be good'. Just because a lot of people like something doesn't make it good. A music video certainly doesn't have to have any redeeming features to be successful or loved, and the same logic can be applied to anything, not just works of art. Well it must be good to a large portion of people, don't you think? Not necessarily you and I, but why would something be so successful if a lot of people didn't like it?
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Post by aTunes on Sept 11, 2009 11:48:43 GMT -5
I do see where you're coming from though. Just because something was successful doesn't mean it has to be good to you personally. I definitely agree with that.
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Post by TR on Sept 11, 2009 12:26:07 GMT -5
I think it deserved about half of them.
I find it ridiculous though, that it was nominated for Best Special Effects...
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Post by ₫anny Jerz ♔ on Sept 11, 2009 12:29:04 GMT -5
Absolutely. Without a doubt. It's as close to an 'iconic' video as we get these days. I can't think of any other song which has benefited from a music video as much as this did; at least not recently.
And since when are the VMA's a serious award show anyway?
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Post by Crazytowel on Sept 11, 2009 12:40:25 GMT -5
Meh, it deservs the nominations but not to win.
I think the dancing is a strong point so it deserves to win that category but apart from that I really don't think it's anything special. It almost verges on a bit of a gimic imo.
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Post by ColdAsFire_Baby on Sept 11, 2009 15:31:06 GMT -5
The VMAs should be about the videos themselves rather than how much impact they had, how much the song sold for, who the artist is, etc.
I think SL is a great choreographed video, but it's not my favorite from Beyonce. Something like Sweet Dreams would be my choice for some of her noms. because it's much more visually appealing and combines a really great vibe with some great choreography. SL was a good video, but compared to all the other videos nominated, I'd pick Womanizer. I am a Britney fan, which does make my vote more biased, but to me it seems more fun to watch and makes me want to watch it over and over again. the song SL is really repetitive which ruined the video for me.
I think it's a good video, but I don't think it should have gotten as many awards as it did.
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Post by jamrock16 on Sept 11, 2009 16:28:34 GMT -5
It definitely does deserve to be the most-nomiated video since it was the biggest video of the past year. The fact that most people classified the video (and song) as disposable trash when they first premiered makes it's success even more remarkable.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2009 16:50:27 GMT -5
Yes. The other nomination I have a problem with is Special Effects, since I don't think there was too much of that.
Just because it didn't have a ton of fancy costumes, over the top storylines, flashy colorful effects, doesn't mean it isn't a good video. Best of the year imo, and the general public seems to have agree(since the video became a big hit).
Beyonce proved you don't need a huge budget or a bunch of props to make a good video. Beyonce, 2 back up dancers, black & white, and great lighting and it was able to capture the attention of fans, general public, and a crap load of media outlets, TV shows, ect.
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