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Post by bboat11 on Apr 10, 2016 14:56:21 GMT -5
At the end of the day, what really matters is who gets credit on the charts: Tim McGraw got credit for BOTR when it was charting (i.e. it was listed as being Jo Dee Messina featuring Tim McGraw), and Catherine Dunn was credited for DR&OB. It really doesn't matter what anyone else thinks, because if the featured artist is listed on the charts while a song is out there, then they get credit. Simple as that. Then Keith Urban should get a #1 for Highway Don't Care. I don't hear a peep from him on the record, so I should give him a 'free' #1. Right? That song is never talked about as a "duet" between Tim McGraw and Keith Urban though. That's what the initial question was: what constitutes a duet. In "Highway Don't Care", Keith certainly is not a duet partner, and I don't really consider Taylor Swift a duet partner either considering all she does is one line repeatedly. However, if you ask me if they deserve collaboration credit, they certainly do. Taylor is very prominently featured vocally, despite it not being a duet, and Keith's killer guitar work is extremely prominent as well for the majority of the song. Just because his voice is not on it does not mean it would be a "free" #1 for him. He is one of those vocalists who is just an all-around fabulous instrumental musician as well. He still contributed his musical talents in a big way. It was just not a duet. Back to the duet question, I do not really consider "Bring On The Rain" a duet, but I can see why they would give Tim collaboration credit, because his voice is fairly prominent on the background vocals. But it seems there is a fuzzy line between what constitutes a "collaboration" and what constitutes a "duet". I consider a duet to be an approximately 50/50 split in vocals, with the artists coming together to harmonize in the chorus. That 50/50 number is not exactly set in stone; for example, in "Think of You", Cassadee only gets one verse while Chris gets two. But they still come together and harmonize in the chorus, and it is obvious that the song would not be the same if either of their parts were missing.
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Post by onebuffalo on Apr 10, 2016 15:02:31 GMT -5
Then Keith Urban should get a #1 for Highway Don't Care. I don't hear a peep from him on the record, so I should give him a 'free' #1. Right? That song is never talked about as a "duet" between Tim McGraw and Keith Urban though. That's what the initial question was: what constitutes a duet. In "Highway Don't Care", Keith certainly is not a duet partner, and I don't really consider Taylor Swift a duet partner either considering all she does is one line repeatedly. However, if you ask me if they deserve collaboration credit, they certainly do. Taylor is very prominently featured vocally, despite it not being a duet, and Keith's killer guitar work is extremely prominent as well for the majority of the song. Just because his voice is not on it does not mean it would be a "free" #1 for him. He is one of those vocalists who is just an all-around fabulous instrumental musician as well. He still contributed his musical talents in a big way. It was just not a duet. Back to the duet question, I do not really consider "Bring On The Rain" a duet, but I can see why they would give Tim collaboration credit, because his voice is fairly prominent on the background vocals. But it seems there is a fuzzy line between what constitutes a "collaboration" and what constitutes a "duet". I consider a duet to be an approximately 50/50 split in vocals, with the artists coming together to harmonize in the chorus. That 50/50 number is not exactly set in stone; for example, in "Think of You", Cassadee only gets one verse while Chris gets two. But they still come together and harmonize in the chorus, and it is obvious that the song would not be the same if either of their parts were missing. I love your thinking on Bring On The Rain. During the entire time, Tim McGraw just sings behind Jo Dee Messina. He doesn't take on a verse all by himself. If the duet between Chris Young and Cassadee Pope hits the top, I will give full credit to Pope for the reason you mentioned. Here's a single cover for Highway Don't Care: Anyone still care to say Keith Urban should have 20 #1s by now? Thanks.
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Post by sabre14 on Apr 10, 2016 15:06:44 GMT -5
The "Bring On The Rain" discussion again? I feel like this is the fifth time this song's credits have been argued, lol.
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Post by bboat11 on Apr 10, 2016 15:16:38 GMT -5
That song is never talked about as a "duet" between Tim McGraw and Keith Urban though. That's what the initial question was: what constitutes a duet. In "Highway Don't Care", Keith certainly is not a duet partner, and I don't really consider Taylor Swift a duet partner either considering all she does is one line repeatedly. However, if you ask me if they deserve collaboration credit, they certainly do. Taylor is very prominently featured vocally, despite it not being a duet, and Keith's killer guitar work is extremely prominent as well for the majority of the song. Just because his voice is not on it does not mean it would be a "free" #1 for him. He is one of those vocalists who is just an all-around fabulous instrumental musician as well. He still contributed his musical talents in a big way. It was just not a duet. Back to the duet question, I do not really consider "Bring On The Rain" a duet, but I can see why they would give Tim collaboration credit, because his voice is fairly prominent on the background vocals. But it seems there is a fuzzy line between what constitutes a "collaboration" and what constitutes a "duet". I consider a duet to be an approximately 50/50 split in vocals, with the artists coming together to harmonize in the chorus. That 50/50 number is not exactly set in stone; for example, in "Think of You", Cassadee only gets one verse while Chris gets two. But they still come together and harmonize in the chorus, and it is obvious that the song would not be the same if either of their parts were missing. I love your thinking on Bring On The Rain. During the entire time, Tim McGraw just sings behind Jo Dee Messina. He doesn't take on a verse all by himself. If the duet between Chris Young and Cassadee Pope hits the top, I will give full credit to Pope for the reason you mentioned. Here's a single cover for Highway Don't Care: Anyone still care to say Keith Urban should have 20 #1s by now? Thanks. He definitely falls into a fuzzy zone. If your criteria strictly says you have to sing vocals on a song to get collaboration credit, then he doesn't get the #1. But if prominent guitar-work is enough to consider someone a collaborating musician, he does get the #1. The way I see it is, he DID contribute a lot of musical talent to a song that did hit #1. So if Billboard does give him #1 credit for that, I will not exactly bat an eye about it. But if they didn't, I won't lose any sleep about it either, because he is definitely not a vocalist on the song. To me it is just a weird, isolated experience that kinda hurts my head to think about too much.
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Post by bboat11 on Apr 10, 2016 15:18:22 GMT -5
The "Bring On The Rain" discussion again? I feel like this is the fifth time this song's credits have been argued, lol. Lol it is just such a perfect example for duet discussions!
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Post by CoJoFan on Apr 10, 2016 17:01:54 GMT -5
The "Bring On The Rain" discussion again? I feel like this is the fifth time this song's credits have been argued, lol. I guess I could've asked if "Lovin' Lately" would be a #1 for Tim instead if it got there (which it won't anyways). Lol
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Post by .indulgecountry on Apr 10, 2016 19:08:10 GMT -5
At the end of the day, what really matters is who gets credit on the charts: Tim McGraw got credit for BOTR when it was charting (i.e. it was listed as being Jo Dee Messina featuring Tim McGraw), and Catherine Dunn was credited for DR&OB. It really doesn't matter what anyone else thinks, because if the featured artist is listed on the charts while a song is out there, then they get credit. Simple as that. Then Keith Urban should get a #1 for Highway Don't Care. I don't hear a peep from him on the record, so I should give him a 'free' #1. Right? He wasn't credited on the charts, so no. That's the whole point I just made. If the charts list a featured artist, then that featured artist gets credit. If they don't, then they don't. It's really quite simple.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2016 1:06:44 GMT -5
Here's a single cover for Highway Don't Care: Anyone still care to say Keith Urban should have 20 #1s by now? Thanks. Your logic here is flawed. This is the single cover from Big Machine Records. It does not matter at all. What matters is what Billboard says. Billboard gives Tim McGraw a featured credit on "Bring On The Rain", but they do not give Keith Urban a featured credit on "Highway Don't Care". Thus, if you are using Billboard data (which you do), it's incorrect to not count "Bring On The Rain" towards Tim McGraw's chart statistics. It's as simple as that.
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Post by CoJoFan on Apr 11, 2016 17:03:55 GMT -5
I know this thread is Billboard #1's but does anyone know on Bob Kingsley's Country Top 40 does he count Mediabase #1's when an artist reaches #1. Like last week he said Brett Eldredge had 5 #1's when "Drunk On Your Love" was #1. Did "Don't Ya", "Mean To Me", "Beat of the Music" and "Lose My Mind' all go #1 on Mediabase? Is there a thread somewhere or link to show Mediabase Country #1 singles?
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Post by sabre14 on Apr 11, 2016 17:15:51 GMT -5
I know this thread is Billboard #1's but does anyone know on Bob Kingsley's Country Top 40 does he count Mediabase #1's when an artist reaches #1. Like last week he said Brett Eldredge had 5 #1's when "Drunk On Your Love" was #1. Did "Don't Ya", "Mean To Me", "Beat of the Music" and "Lose My Mind' all go #1 on Mediabase? Is there a thread somewhere or link to show Mediabase Country #1 singles? Yes, all five went #1 on Mediabase. You just have to go back manually and track which songs went #1 on R&R/MB. There is this thread to fill in many gaps when it was Radio & Records though.
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Post by CoJoFan on Apr 11, 2016 17:20:02 GMT -5
I know this thread is Billboard #1's but does anyone know on Bob Kingsley's Country Top 40 does he count Mediabase #1's when an artist reaches #1. Like last week he said Brett Eldredge had 5 #1's when "Drunk On Your Love" was #1. Did "Don't Ya", "Mean To Me", "Beat of the Music" and "Lose My Mind' all go #1 on Mediabase? Is there a thread somewhere or link to show Mediabase Country #1 singles? Yes, all five went #1 on Mediabase. You just have to go back manually and track which songs went #1 on R&R/MB. There is this thread to fill in many gaps when it was Radio & Records though. Thanks!
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Post by WolfSpear on Apr 11, 2016 23:05:59 GMT -5
The "featuring" credit always brings up a debate. From my perspective, I give 0% to the featured artists; they have to billed as John Doe & Jane Doe, not John Doe featuring Jane Doe.
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Post by onebuffalo on Apr 19, 2016 9:42:46 GMT -5
I have updated Rascal Flatts' #1s totals to thirteen with I Like The Sound Of That. Congratulations, Gary, Jay, and Joe Don!
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Post by onebuffalo on Apr 26, 2016 17:08:10 GMT -5
I have updated Florida Georgia Line's #1s totals to eight with Confession. Congratulations, Brian and Tyler!
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Post by onebuffalo on May 3, 2016 13:43:55 GMT -5
I have updated Chris Young's #1s totals to seven with Think Of You. Congratulations to him and Cassadee Pope, who scores her very first #1 as well!
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Post by onebuffalo on May 10, 2016 14:32:00 GMT -5
I have updated Dierks Bentley's #1s totals to fourteen with Somewhere On A Beach. Congratulations, Dierks!
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Post by onebuffalo on Jun 1, 2016 17:12:45 GMT -5
I have updated Blake Shelton's #1s totals to 22 with Came Here To Forget. Congratulations, Blake!
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Post by harrycareycubfan08 on Jun 1, 2016 18:35:47 GMT -5
I have updated Kenny Chesney's #1s totals to 26 with Save It For A Rainy Day. Congratulations, Kenny! Now, for some analysis. Here is the updated top ten list: 1. GEORGE STRAIT-44-1982-2009-HOF-AOD (2000s)(has the most #1s between 2006-present)(the #1 artist of the 1990s)(had the most #1s during the 1990s with 17) 2. Conway Twitty-40-1968-1986-HOF (had the most #1s between 1980-2006)(the #1 artist of the 1970s)(had the most #1s during the 1970s with 25) 3. Merle Haggard-38-1967-1988-HOF 4. Ronnie Milsap-35-1974-1989-HOF 5. Alabama-33-1980-2011-HOF-AOD (1980s)(had the most #1s during the 1980s with 26) 6. Charley Pride-29-1969-1983-HOF 7. Eddy Arnold-28-1947-1968-HOF (had the most #1s between 1948-1980)(the #1 artist of the 1940s)(had the most #1s during the 1940s with 11) 8. Alan Jackson-26-1991-2010 9. Tim McGraw-26-1994-2014 10. Kenny Chesney-26-1997-2015 (the #1 artist of the 2000s) If you noticed, there are NO females in the top ten (nine solo males and an all-male group). Chesney has now kicked Dolly Parton out of the top ten like Tim McGraw kicked Reba McEntire out of the top ten earlier this year. If they (or any of your favorites) want into the top ten, they now need 27 #1s to do so. Had the new Billboard country song chart rule not been implemented in 1990, Reba McEntire would have 32 career Billboard #1 hits to date and be the only country female recording artist with over 30 #1 songs. The old chart method supposedly still existed until early2001, but was never published, but I don't think I can discuss it here on the board. I do wish to speak to a board member in private who has knowledge on the R&R/Mediabase and Billboard country singles chart from the 80's to the present, because I have interesting details regarding the old billboard country chart method from the 80's and the 90's . However, Reba McEntire's other "would be" #1 songs would have been. "Walk On"(1990) "Rumor Has It"(1991) "The Greatest Man I Never Knew" 1992 "Til You Love Me, "And Still" both in 1995 "The Fear Of Being Alone": 1996/1997 "I'd Rather Ride Around With You" 1997 "One Honest Heart" 1999, though it only reached #7 for Reba on the BDS format for the week of 7-03-1999. Therefore, a lot of #2 and #3 peaks that would have gone the distance for Reba on the original Billboard chart method. I'm new to this board , so I'm just learning as I go along here.
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Post by harrycareycubfan08 on Jun 1, 2016 18:57:07 GMT -5
Replying to an earlier comment on this thread, Faith Hill would be tied with Carrie Underwood with 14 career #1 hits, if the old Billboard country songs chart still counted in the 1990's and George Strait would still be on top with 50 career #1 hits. There were 6 other songs that would have hit #1 for King George. Those would have been
1. "So Much Like My Dad" (1992) 2, " The Man In Love With You" (1994) 3. " Adalida" (1995) 4. " True" (1998) 5. "Meanwhile" and "What Do You Say To That" both from(1999). George Strait had 3 other Radio & Records #1 songs in the 1990's that would have missed the top spot on Billboard all together, but that's as far as I will go with this. Faith Hill's other would be #1 hits would have been 1. "Take Me As I Am" (1994) 2. "Let's Go To Vegas" (1995) 3. "Someone Else's Dream" (1996) 4 " Just To Hear You Say That You Love Me" (1996) 5 "The Secret Of Life" (1999) That's as far as I will go with this.
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Post by onebuffalo on Jun 6, 2016 13:54:16 GMT -5
I have updated Thomas Rhett's #1s totals to six with T-Shirt. Congratulations, Thomas!
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Post by CoJoFan on Jun 7, 2016 11:17:55 GMT -5
Replying to an earlier comment on this thread, Faith Hill would be tied with Carrie Underwood with 14 career #1 hits, if the old Billboard country songs chart still counted in the 1990's and George Strait would still be on top with 50 career #1 hits. There were 6 other songs that would have hit #1 for King George. Those would have been
1. "So Much Like My Dad" (1992) 2, " The Man In Love With You" (1994) 3. " Adalida" (1995) 4. " True" (1998) 5. "Meanwhile" and "What Do You Say To That" both from(1999). George Strait had 3 other Radio & Records #1 songs in the 1990's that would have missed the top spot on Billboard all together, but that's as far as I will go with this. Faith Hill's other would be #1 hits would have been 1. "Take Me As I Am" (1994) 2. "Let's Go To Vegas" (1995) 3. "Someone Else's Dream" (1996) 4 " Just To Hear You Say That You Love Me" (1996) 5 "The Secret Of Life" (1999) That's as far as I will go with this.
If a person is interested in figuring what all the #1 songs were from 1990 until now using the old Billboard country songs chart. How or where could we find this out?
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Post by Kanenrá:ke on Jun 7, 2016 11:47:31 GMT -5
Replying to an earlier comment on this thread, Faith Hill would be tied with Carrie Underwood with 14 career #1 hits, if the old Billboard country songs chart still counted in the 1990's and George Strait would still be on top with 50 career #1 hits. There were 6 other songs that would have hit #1 for King George. Those would have been
1. "So Much Like My Dad" (1992) 2, " The Man In Love With You" (1994) 3. " Adalida" (1995) 4. " True" (1998) 5. "Meanwhile" and "What Do You Say To That" both from(1999). George Strait had 3 other Radio & Records #1 songs in the 1990's that would have missed the top spot on Billboard all together, but that's as far as I will go with this. Faith Hill's other would be #1 hits would have been 1. "Take Me As I Am" (1994) 2. "Let's Go To Vegas" (1995) 3. "Someone Else's Dream" (1996) 4 " Just To Hear You Say That You Love Me" (1996) 5 "The Secret Of Life" (1999) That's as far as I will go with this.
If a person is interested in figuring what all the #1 songs were from 1990 until now using the old Billboard country songs chart. How or where could we find this out? I'll post the list of I have time today.
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Post by CoJoFan on Jun 7, 2016 11:56:56 GMT -5
If a person is interested in figuring what all the #1 songs were from 1990 until now using the old Billboard country songs chart. How or where could we find this out? I'll post the list of I have time today. Awesome! Thanks!
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Post by Kanenrá:ke on Jun 7, 2016 12:13:32 GMT -5
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Post by CoJoFan on Jun 7, 2016 12:16:15 GMT -5
It just sends me right back to this page when I click on it. What do I search for on wikipedia?
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Post by Kanenrá:ke on Jun 7, 2016 15:28:00 GMT -5
It just sends me right back to this page when I click on it. What do I search for on wikipedia? Try this second one
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Post by CoJoFan on Jun 7, 2016 15:31:03 GMT -5
It just sends me right back to this page when I click on it. What do I search for on wikipedia? Try this second one I know about this I'm eluding to what the person was talking about earlier. When he said Faith Hill would've had more #1's if they still used the old method in the 90's and George Strait would be over 50 #1's too.
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Post by Kanenrá:ke on Jun 7, 2016 15:43:48 GMT -5
Ah I misunderstood. I don't think there's a way to look at that data at least publicly.
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Post by onebuffalo on Jun 14, 2016 16:33:19 GMT -5
I have updated Tim McGraw's #1s totals to 27 with Humble And Kind. Congratulations, Tim!
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Post by CoJoFan on Jun 15, 2016 21:44:41 GMT -5
I have updated Tim McGraw's #1s totals to 27 with Humble And Kind. Congratulations, Tim! Only 3 away from becoming only the 6th artist in country music history with 30 #1's!
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