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Post by The Art of Letting Go on Jan 13, 2010 21:12:10 GMT -5
It was Ballads that sold Charmbracelet, It was Ballads that sold The Emancipation of Mimi....regardless of what they sold, the ballads are still what sold those albums. e=mc2 only sold because of the hype surrounding the project Memoirs worldwide is being sold by IWTKWLI....Not Obsessed Im not worried about just the U.S market...clearly The world is ready for Angels Cry and not some other wack uptempo. Even Radio is Showing It: Angels Cry Remix: 0.755m AI Up Out My Face Remix: 0.361m AI Christ. Enough already, you made your point. You disagree with UOMF as the single, and you've stated so half a dozen different ways. We get it. Writing post after post about it here is not going to change the decision. I personally think after a string of ballads that underperformed, it would be pretty silly to press ahead with another. Bring on Up Out My Face. What is your problem? Im stating my opinion, and is going to continue to do so...you dont have to read my post...simple skip over, which is exactly what i have always done to urs in the past. U are being ignorant right about now
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Post by The Art of Letting Go on Jan 13, 2010 21:13:28 GMT -5
It was Ballads that sold Charmbracelet, It was Ballads that sold The Emancipation of Mimi....regardless of what they sold, the ballads are still what sold those albums. e=mc2 only sold because of the hype surrounding the project Memoirs worldwide is being sold by IWTKWLI....Not Obsessed Im not worried about just the U.S market...clearly The world is ready for Angels Cry and not some other wack uptempo. Even Radio is Showing It: Angels Cry Remix: 0.755m AI Up Out My Face Remix: 0.361m AI Hmmm, no. IWTKWLI did to sell this album worldwide....Obsessed underperformed it alot of markets, and because of this....Memoirs had low debuts on 80% of these charts worldwide....songs like Obsessed is actually ruining Mariah's worldwide appeal
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Post by The Art of Letting Go on Jan 13, 2010 21:14:37 GMT -5
I've been watching Mariah Carey and her decisions on Singles and things of that nature for years...I dont need anyone here to tell me what i know and dont know and so on.....u dont have to agree with me, and if you dont then simply move on and stop hustling my "Quote" Button
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Post by weaver on Jan 13, 2010 21:31:33 GMT -5
^ Been there and done that. Mariah needs a fresh uptempo to sell this album. UOMF isn't the best song Mariah has ever recorded, not by a long shot. But it's fun, and that's what's being played on the radio right now. A ballad can still sell the album, but something else needs to grap attention at radio first. I agree with this decision. I understand that, but UpTempos dont sell Mariah Carey's albums....they have never sold Mariah's album....and doubt they are going to start now Especially on a Worldwide scale.... She dont just need a ballad...she needs a powerful ballad.....all the ballads she released were not powerful, and they were not pop either....Pop radio will be playing Angel's Cry....they didnt even touch IWTKWLI & H.A.T.E.U. Mariah needs to get in touch with her Pop Audience....thats bottom line, and Up Out My Face is not going to do so It's Like That introduced TEOM. WBT had barely been out when the album was released, and it moved over 400k the first week. I would consider TMB to basically be uptempo, and that was essentially the only song that sold E=MC2. Mariah doesn't need to "get in touch with her pop audience." She may have begun as a "pop" artist, but she's ostensibly been an R&B artist for, at the very least, all of the IDJ years. What you want her to do, and what she "needs" to do are not one and the same.
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Post by weaver on Jan 13, 2010 21:33:06 GMT -5
Christ. Enough already, you made your point. You disagree with UOMF as the single, and you've stated so half a dozen different ways. We get it. Writing post after post about it here is not going to change the decision. I personally think after a string of ballads that underperformed, it would be pretty silly to press ahead with another. Bring on Up Out My Face. What is your problem? Im stating my opinion, and is going to continue to do so...you dont have to read my post...simple skip over, which is exactly what i have always done to urs in the past. U are being ignorant right about now You posted over and over they are making the wrong decision, 6 or 7 different ways. WE GET IT. You don't like Up Out My Face. There's nothing ignorant about having enough of it. Posting the same shit again and again because nobody responsed the first time is what is ignorant.
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Post by r.enato on Jan 13, 2010 21:51:39 GMT -5
I've been watching Mariah Carey and her decisions on Singles and things of that nature for years...I dont need anyone here to tell me what i know and dont know and so on.....u dont have to agree with me, and if you dont then simply move on and stop hustling my "Quote" Button Aww we have a replacement for King of Truth!!! Yay!
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Post by imperfect on Jan 13, 2010 22:25:23 GMT -5
^ Been there and done that. Mariah needs a fresh uptempo to sell this album. UOMF isn't the best song Mariah has ever recorded, not by a long shot. But it's fun, and that's what's being played on the radio right now. A ballad can still sell the album, but something else needs to grap attention at radio first. I agree with this decision. I understand that, but UpTempos dont sell Mariah Carey's albums....they have never sold Mariah's album....and doubt they are going to start now Especially on a Worldwide scale.... She dont just need a ballad...she needs a powerful ballad.....all the ballads she released were not powerful, and they were not pop either....Pop radio will be playing Angel's Cry....they didnt even touch IWTKWLI & H.A.T.E.U. Mariah needs to get in touch with her Pop Audience....thats bottom line, and Up Out My Face is not going to do so Right. But keep in mind all these ballads you refer to all follow an uptempo, not the other way around. It's the uptempos that set the stage.
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Post by The Art of Letting Go on Jan 14, 2010 0:04:11 GMT -5
I understand that, but UpTempos dont sell Mariah Carey's albums....they have never sold Mariah's album....and doubt they are going to start now Especially on a Worldwide scale.... She dont just need a ballad...she needs a powerful ballad.....all the ballads she released were not powerful, and they were not pop either....Pop radio will be playing Angel's Cry....they didnt even touch IWTKWLI & H.A.T.E.U. Mariah needs to get in touch with her Pop Audience....thats bottom line, and Up Out My Face is not going to do so It's Like That introduced TEOM. WBT had barely been out when the album was released, and it moved over 400k the first week. I would consider TMB to basically be uptempo, and that was essentially the only song that sold E=MC2. Mariah doesn't need to "get in touch with her pop audience." She may have begun as a "pop" artist, but she's ostensibly been an R&B artist for, at the very least, all of the IDJ years. What you want her to do, and what she "needs" to do are not one and the same. No Sweetheart, WBT Was Released to radio in March 2005....it was gettin airplay since it leaked...which was in late february 2005. When The album dropped, WBT has already over 50 million in audience impressions.....WBT saved Mimi's first week sales for T.E.O.M "Touch My Body" is not uptempo...."Touch My Body" is Classic Mariah Mid-Tempo....Just like the reviews suggested when the song was first released. What I Want Mariah to do...Is actually what was suppose to happen in the first place with Memoirs....H.A.T.E.U. was suppose to be the first single, which is why it was played at Spring 2008 Island Def Jam Session....which was when the 30 second clip of the song leaked in May! Mariah announced herself they were going to go with the ballad....but instead, LA chose Obsessed Mariah, Just like many of us lambs...are tired of following the same trends with the Mimi album! its gettin ridiculous. Mariah needs to get in touch with her pop audience because thats where her base is at...point blank period, without Pop radio's full support....Mariah will not sell much....even she knows this. Mariah has never been big on Urban Radio....only on Rhythmic and Top 40 (Pop) and thats what she is missing..
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Post by The Art of Letting Go on Jan 14, 2010 0:05:06 GMT -5
What is your problem? Im stating my opinion, and is going to continue to do so...you dont have to read my post...simple skip over, which is exactly what i have always done to urs in the past. U are being ignorant right about now You posted over and over they are making the wrong decision, 6 or 7 different ways. WE GET IT. You don't like Up Out My Face. There's nothing ignorant about having enough of it. Posting the same s**t again and again because nobody responsed the first time is what is ignorant. Just because i post it again and again dont mean u have to read it again and again...shut the hell up and get the hell off my font...u are fukkin annoying
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Post by The Art of Letting Go on Jan 14, 2010 0:06:02 GMT -5
I understand that, but UpTempos dont sell Mariah Carey's albums....they have never sold Mariah's album....and doubt they are going to start now Especially on a Worldwide scale.... She dont just need a ballad...she needs a powerful ballad.....all the ballads she released were not powerful, and they were not pop either....Pop radio will be playing Angel's Cry....they didnt even touch IWTKWLI & H.A.T.E.U. Mariah needs to get in touch with her Pop Audience....thats bottom line, and Up Out My Face is not going to do so Right. But keep in mind all these ballads you refer to all follow an uptempo, not the other way around. It's the uptempos that set the stage. Which is why Memoirs debuted low in 80% of the worldwide markets...yep yep yep!
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Post by The Art of Letting Go on Jan 14, 2010 0:11:30 GMT -5
I really dont understand why people cannot have and post their opinion without someone harassing them....but just to let you know, i am still going to voice my opinion...and i dont care if u agree or disagree.....thats final, you dont have to read my post...so my advice to u is to stop reading my post...and we will not have this problem.
Im one that have wanted Angel's Cry released as a single since the first time i heard it, dont tie me to other people around here...because they dont represent me nor my opinion...im one that actually think on my own.
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Post by The Art of Letting Go on Jan 14, 2010 1:59:28 GMT -5
IWTKWLI is selling the album worldwide? It isn't doing a very good job, then. There is only so much it can do since its the follow up single to the worldwide bomb Obsessed....its not like it was releasing following a huge first single...cause thats far from the case
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Post by imperfect on Jan 14, 2010 2:00:04 GMT -5
Right. But keep in mind all these ballads you refer to all follow an uptempo, not the other way around. It's the uptempos that set the stage. Which is why Memoirs debuted low in 80% of the worldwide markets...yep yep yep! yep, a ballad actually killed the Memoirs era. IWKWLI was a horrible choice for a second single, and the absolute abysmal airplay proved it. The label screwed up, and clearly Mariah did not agree with their choice. Catchy songs sell albums, not just ballads.
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Post by PrinceAli89 on Jan 14, 2010 3:22:20 GMT -5
Okay! So I just purchased the presale Fan Club bundle along with 2 concert tickets (Section 102, Row M, Seats #24 and #25). My only question is how do I access the fan club itself?! LOL!
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Post by neverduplicated on Jan 14, 2010 7:37:59 GMT -5
Memoirs falls 6 spots from 72-78 (without a bullet) on this week's Billboard 200 chart. It is the album's 15th week on the chart. Though I don't know the exact sales, I know #65 sold 8,000 copies and #97 sold 5,000 copies, so Memoirs probably sold about 7,000 this week.
For the sake of comparison, Glitter only stayed on the B200 for 12 weeks. Charmbracelet stayed on the chart for 22 weeks and was at #100 in its 15th week. E=MC2 stayed on the chart for 27 weeks and was at #52 in its 15th week.
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Post by weaver on Jan 14, 2010 8:06:41 GMT -5
Good Heavens. Memoirs2k9 step AWAY from the keyboard.
You can't say "ballads sell an album" or "Uptempos sell an album." You cannot generalize that way- it doesn't make sense. Songs that become hits sell albums, regardless of if they are up/mid tempo or ballads.
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Post by weaver on Jan 14, 2010 8:10:26 GMT -5
It's Like That introduced TEOM. WBT had barely been out when the album was released, and it moved over 400k the first week. I would consider TMB to basically be uptempo, and that was essentially the only song that sold E=MC2. Mariah doesn't need to "get in touch with her pop audience." She may have begun as a "pop" artist, but she's ostensibly been an R&B artist for, at the very least, all of the IDJ years. What you want her to do, and what she "needs" to do are not one and the same. "Touch My Body" is not uptempo...."Touch My Body" is Classic Mariah Mid-Tempo....Just like the reviews suggested when the song was first released. Right, so it is NOT a ballad. Mariah has never been big on Urban radio? What planet are you on??? Mariah doesn't "need" to get in touch with her "pop audience" or need to do anything. She needs to make music that makes her happy. If she's cool with it not doing well commercially, then it is what it is. Constantly whining about what she needs to do on Pulse is not going to do anything for you.
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Post by weaver on Jan 14, 2010 8:13:22 GMT -5
Which is why Memoirs debuted low in 80% of the worldwide markets...yep yep yep! yep, a ballad actually killed the Memoirs era. IWKWLI was a horrible choice for a second single, and the absolute abysmal airplay proved it. The label screwed up, and clearly Mariah did not agree with their choice. Catchy songs sell albums, not just ballads. Hate U probably would have worked better as the second single, or hell, even one of the midtempos like UOMF or Ribbon. But we spend way too much time with the woulda/coulda/shoulda type discussions on here. At least I think so. OMG they need to revisit E=MC2 and make migrate a single!!!
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jan 14, 2010 8:24:13 GMT -5
Memoirs has outlasted Glitter, but probably won't reach the sales level (it trails it by some 250K). The remix album(s) will be separate entities, so it won't have those to add to its cume.
"Angels Cry" and "Up Out My Face" are dual singles, I gather? While "H.A.T.E.U" couldn't match "I Stay in Love's" airplay level, maybe AC will? Think that was around 10m-12m. The presence of Ne-Yo on what's essentially the album version with his vocals and a few new lyrics tacked on may not garner all that much play (as it still is the fourth single from the original album).
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Post by weaver on Jan 14, 2010 8:49:14 GMT -5
Memoirs has outlasted Glitter, but probably won't reach the sales level (it trails it by some 250K). The remix album(s) will be separate entities, so it won't have those to add to its cume. "Angels Cry" and "Up Out My Face" are dual singles, I gather? While "H.A.T.E.U" couldn't match "I Stay in Love's" airplay level, maybe AC will? Think that was around 10m-12m. The presence of Ne-Yo on what's essentially the album version with his vocals and a few new lyrics tacked on may not garner all that much play (as it still is the fourth single from the original album). From what I gather, AC has been cancelled/put on the back burner and Up Out My Face is the single now.
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Post by neverduplicated on Jan 14, 2010 8:55:06 GMT -5
^True, but we all know if we still had 2001 sales, Memoirs would definitely be higher in sales than Glitter. Plus, Glitter didn't really have a hit single ("Loverboy" doesn't count just because it peaked high on the Hot 100, IMO), and Memoirs did, so there's that. There hasn't been any official announcement as to whether AC and UOMF are dual singles, but it's worth noting that the adds dates for AC on All Access were taken down when the adds dates for UOMF were put up.
I think UOMF will outperform HATE U and ISIL. Fun songs seem to be doing much better these days than ballads.
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Post by Junkiex on Jan 14, 2010 9:36:32 GMT -5
Memoirs2k9 CAN post whatever he wants to, He is just voicing his opinion. He's not here presenting anything as FACTS from inside sources, or saying that whoever thinks something else is wrong. God, people! What harm does it inflict on you if he thinks ballads have sold her albums??? Is that a fucking crime???
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Post by grouper6 on Jan 14, 2010 9:49:16 GMT -5
Memoirs has outlasted Glitter, but probably won't reach the sales level (it trails it by some 250K). The remix album(s) will be separate entities, so it won't have those to add to its cume. "Angels Cry" and "Up Out My Face" are dual singles, I gather? While "H.A.T.E.U" couldn't match "I Stay in Love's" airplay level, maybe AC will? Think that was around 10m-12m. The presence of Ne-Yo on what's essentially the album version with his vocals and a few new lyrics tacked on may not garner all that much play (as it still is the fourth single from the original album). Will the Angel's Advocate remix re-release of MOIA have it's sales tracked differently or will they be added to MOIA? From what u wrote, it seems u are saying differently and if so, that would be a disaster of epic proportion sales wise. I just read that AA was pushed back to March 9! Isn't that Monica's release date?
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Post by silab on Jan 14, 2010 9:52:22 GMT -5
True that in Mariah's case, ballads are what sold her albums but her ballads recently had been really bad. Bye Bye did not sell E=MC2 because it was horrible, so was IWTKWLI. HATE U was good, not great but it was a follow up to a flop song already and radio tends to stop playing any of her songs when she gets a flop single.
WBT was exception because that song was really really good. She sang that song with full voice, unlike how she's singing her songs now, and the melody was really great, hence being named as Billboard's song of the decade.
If Mariah does not change her style when it comes to ballads and if she will not change her voice, then I dont see her getting a real huge hit anymore.
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Post by r.enato on Jan 14, 2010 10:01:52 GMT -5
Memoirs2k9 CAN post whatever he wants to, He is just voicing his opinion. He's not here presenting anything as FACTS from inside sources, or saying that whoever thinks something else is wrong. God, people! What harm does it inflict on you if he thinks ballads have sold her albums??? Is that a f**king crime??? There's no harm, but he's saying like it is a fact that Angels Cry would sell this album and that they're missing out on a huge opportunity to have a hit - which is completely BS, LOL. I like the song, but it's boring and cheesy as hell. Radio won't touch it.
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Post by Junkiex on Jan 14, 2010 10:38:17 GMT -5
He hasn't even tried to IMPOSE his opinion: ...u dont have to agree with me, and if you dont then simply move on and stop hustling my "Quote" Button He has all the right to think Angels Cry would do a better job, even if it sounds illogical to many. I also think UOMF is a better pick, but who knows? I could be wrong and he could be right.
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Post by Hefty Hanna on Jan 14, 2010 10:40:26 GMT -5
I've been watching Mariah Carey and her decisions on Singles and things of that nature for years...I dont need anyone here to tell me what i know and dont know and so on.....u dont have to agree with me, and if you dont then simply move on and stop hustling my "Quote" Button Aww we have a replacement for King of Truth!!! Yay! Right? Get rid of one drama, welcome another.
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Post by weaver on Jan 14, 2010 10:49:36 GMT -5
Memoirs has outlasted Glitter, but probably won't reach the sales level (it trails it by some 250K). The remix album(s) will be separate entities, so it won't have those to add to its cume. "Angels Cry" and "Up Out My Face" are dual singles, I gather? While "H.A.T.E.U" couldn't match "I Stay in Love's" airplay level, maybe AC will? Think that was around 10m-12m. The presence of Ne-Yo on what's essentially the album version with his vocals and a few new lyrics tacked on may not garner all that much play (as it still is the fourth single from the original album). Will the Angel's Advocate remix re-release of MOIA have it's sales tracked differently or will they be added to MOIA? From what u wrote, it seems u are saying differently and if so, that would be a disaster of epic proportion sales wise. I just read that AA was pushed back to March 9! Isn't that Monica's release date? Not really surprised about a push back- seems like it needs more setup time. I think we are all just speculating as far as how sales will be counted. We'll have to see.
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Post by weaver on Jan 14, 2010 10:55:53 GMT -5
Memoirs2k9 CAN post whatever he wants to, He is just voicing his opinion. He's not here presenting anything as FACTS from inside sources, or saying that whoever thinks something else is wrong. God, people! What harm does it inflict on you if he thinks ballads have sold her albums??? Is that a f**king crime??? There's no harm, but he's saying like it is a fact that Angels Cry would sell this album and that they're missing out on a huge opportunity to have a hit - which is completely BS, LOL. I like the song, but it's boring and cheesy as hell. Radio won't touch it. Here's what's been bugging me, and this is really all it is: Angels Cry feat. NeYo is announced as the single. A group of people on here freaks out, the project is over etc etc etc. Then it gets changed to Up Out My Face, and we have people coming on and complaining that THAT is a terrible choice, and they are not going to support it, etc etc etc. Does bitching about it on here change it? No. It just clutters up the thread w/ complaints rather than what I might consider a constructive discussion. Sometimes we just need to realize that there is a lot going into these decisions, and they are group-think, and Mariah has such a varied fan base that she has a lot of different people to make happy. She can't make all the people happy all the time! That's life!
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