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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Sept 2, 2010 13:08:58 GMT -5
when you said mark bright is producing, hes not doing the entire album, right? only carries part? The press release indicates that artists recorded with their own choice of producers and musicians. I was only guessing that Mark Bright will be Carrie's choice, so I was being glib. i still dont get why carrie contiunes to stick to him even for one song on an album. if anything, this is the perfect opporutnity to try a new one because its one song. if carrie doesnt feel comfortable yet doing a whole album with a diffreent producer, a one song on another album would be good audition/trial. i still believe that whne carrie takes that proverbial next step, if she does, mark bright is not the person who will take her tehre. In reference to your first paragraph, I would like that, too. I tend to agree with your latter comment, as well, but I think the most important factor will be Carrie's own sensibilities when it comes to production. Can't really disagree with you, leilamaurizia. My comment was mostly about the kind of story CMA voters seem to want from Carrie, but the voters seem so reactive lately, who knows what they will be thinking even six months from now? It will take time for the industry to feel it is in some kind of workable equilibrium (both in terms of its identity and its financial viability), and so I think it's reasonable to expect all forms of weirdness to keep happening with these votes. Oddly enough, the fan voting looks like a stabilizing influence now. Just watched her performances. I actually liked CC (except for that weird lean back thing she always does) until the flat last big note , but it was good other than that. Pretty sure it's a deliberate slide up into the right note, which she doesn't hit until the very end.
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Post by tsharky on Sept 2, 2010 13:11:41 GMT -5
^ yes she was VERY entertaining. :)
Very excited about the Loretta Lynn album, especially since Loretta handpicked the people that are singing. :)
Dudley--- I agree with you about Mark Bright is producing Carrie's song. I kind of wanted to see what would happen if Carrie did a song without MB just for a change of pace. Didn't someone else produce Oh Love with Brad? If so, that is how I wish her albums sounded sometimes. It was incredible.
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Post by Stephen on Sept 2, 2010 13:35:33 GMT -5
Just watched her performances. I actually liked CC (except for that weird lean back thing she always does) until the flat last big note , but it was good other than that. Undo It was fine. She gets pretty nasal on the low notes of the verses, though. She handles the chorus much better. She sounded great with Last Name...I just don't like the song at all. But the big question--was she entertaining? Dudley's right, the slide is intentional. Carrie always does that on some notes. YouTube "She's Leaving Home" and she does that shit the whole song. I k-k-kinda love it. Guesses as to which Loretta Lynn song she's singing?
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Post by neally on Sept 2, 2010 13:46:08 GMT -5
Guesses as to which Loretta Lynn song she's singing? I am hopeful for any of these four gems: 'Trouble in Paradise', 'Somebody Somewhere', 'Coal Miner's Daughter', 'One's On the Way'
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Post by dbhmr on Sept 2, 2010 14:06:36 GMT -5
I knew she was sliding, I just didn't really hear her get quite there on that note before she trilled back down. Good cover, though.
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Post by jeff on Sept 2, 2010 15:02:19 GMT -5
nobody is allowed to publicly display their religious beliefs anymore edit: i have the same response as the blogger. lol
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Post by Stephen on Sept 2, 2010 15:26:37 GMT -5
I want her to sing either "She's Got You" or "You Ain't Woman Enough (To Take My Man)." Both are oh so good.
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Post by Typo on Sept 2, 2010 16:08:40 GMT -5
I love Loretta. I'd be happy with pretty much anything, but I'd love to hear Carrie take on "Van Lear Rose".
Oh. Carrie, Miranda, and Lee Ann all featured on the same album. :swoon:
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Post by twilight on Sept 2, 2010 16:25:51 GMT -5
Anymore singles from this era ? Whats going on ?
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Post by lyrichord on Sept 2, 2010 18:23:03 GMT -5
I think Carrie is getting some backlash from her winning the fan voted ACM EOTY two years in a row, academy members are just going to think that she (or Taylor) is going to win everything fan voted so let's award other people in non fan-voted awards. Bottom line is though, she needs to come out with some better material (better producer would be great too, but I'm not holding my breath on that one).
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Post by countryfan1985 on Sept 2, 2010 18:39:38 GMT -5
I think (this is my personal opinion) this is getting totally out of hand with this question on why Carrie didn't get a nom for CMA EOTY, I don't hear Carrie complaining about not being a nom for CMA's EOTY do you?? That is great, that Carrie is going to be on Loretta Lynn album.
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Post by what on Sept 2, 2010 19:16:58 GMT -5
thats besides the point. has carrie ever complained abuot not getting anything?!
just bec carrie hasn't been complaining (that we knwo of) doesnt mean her fans or other people cant discuss why she got snubbed or why she deserves a nomination. people, not just carrie fans, feel she has done more than enough to merit at least a recgonition. when you have a blatant ommission like that, people will talk.
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Post by tsharky on Sept 2, 2010 19:54:43 GMT -5
Best. Article. Ever. !!! My respect for Whitney just flew up the roof. She said everything that some of us have been saying, but she backed it up with hard facts and kept emotion out of it. For some reason I thought Whitney didn't like Carrie but I think I misjudged her dry sense of humor, as she can be snarky sometimes in her comments. I am glad that I was wrong. Even if the CMAs never nominated Carrie for EOTY, ever, this article from a major magazine in the entertainment industry clearly brings the issue to a head, and it makes me feel better, anyway. :) ^^ Personally, I think Carrie's silence says it all. She is too classy to ever complain publicly as she never seems to think she deserves anything anyway, and it is not her style to say how she really feels in these situations. She usually blogs right away after she is nominated for stuff, so I think her lack of a blog could indicate she could be a little upset, maybe. She wouldn't be human if she didn't feel some disappointment after the hard work she put in on her tour, and improving her own performance skills so much. It is kind of a slap in the face and I personally hope she read all the threads on the FC to know she has our support.
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Post by gran29 on Sept 2, 2010 22:39:17 GMT -5
Carrie believes whatever happens is all part of God's plan for her. She will not question or complain. That's just the way she is.
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Post by boomer187 on Sept 2, 2010 23:19:54 GMT -5
Right on, Gran.
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Post by jeff on Sept 3, 2010 9:57:43 GMT -5
Carrie believes whatever happens is all part of God's plan for her. She will not question or complain. That's just the way she is. while i am not sure if she didn't complain in her heart for a fleeting second, i believe her faith in God will help her get over this quicker than most of the fans think. given the way she's talked about her faith recently, i am inclined to think this way
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Post by jptexas on Sept 3, 2010 10:27:14 GMT -5
^^Yea, in Carrie's mind, this is all meant to be and I agree with her if that's the case.
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Post by misterscribbs on Sept 3, 2010 10:43:41 GMT -5
If nothing else comes of this snub, it has a lot of people talking about how she deserves a nomination, which is some good press.
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Post by gran29 on Sept 3, 2010 13:19:31 GMT -5
Good. The more articles and blogs that are written about this the more the CMAs might sit up and take notice. They sit in their own little insider bubbles and vote on some mysterious criteria known only to them, evidently. They need to know that not only fans are perplexed, but also those who can write good or bad articles about them. It's in their best interest to step outside their bubbles and see what fans think of their decisions. And make no mistake about it. Writers and bloggers are fans.
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Post by fullonrainstorm on Sept 3, 2010 16:49:50 GMT -5
As a non-fan of Carrie Underwood,I can afford to be dispassionate about the current situation of her not being nominated for EOTY.
Looking at this logically : the country music business in Nashville is ultimately that-a business.A business where insiders are above-all concerned with their own continued survival in the industry,where the "you rub my back,I'll rub yours" code is very much in force.
These insiders turned their back on Carrie not for any airy fairy or noble sentiment of Carrie betraying the principles of country music by going "pop" but because Carrie committed the cardinal sin of bringing in "outsiders" in the form of Kara Dioguardi and Max Martin as co-writers.
Contrast that with Taylor who even though her style is more "pop" than Carrie,keeps all her business "in-house" so to speak : the few times Taylor co-writes,her co-writers are all Nashville veterans(Liz Rose comes to mind).
So Carrie's predicament may boil down simply to a case of bad business practices alienating her industry peers.She took her business away from her fellow Nashville co-workers thus committing the ultimate betrayal in their eyes that no amount of Opry memberships can make up for.Maybe the Nashville songwriter bloc is especially powerful?(Just speculating here)
It would be an irony that the songwriting on Play On tripped Carrie up,just not for the reasons most would envisage.
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Post by what on Sept 3, 2010 17:22:08 GMT -5
Looking at this logically : the country music business in Nashville is ultimately that-a business.A business where insiders are above-all concerned with their own continued survival in the industry,where the "you rub my back,I'll rub yours" code is very much in force. These insiders turned their back on Carrie not for any airy fairy or noble sentiment of Carrie betraying the principles of country music by going "pop" but because Carrie committed the cardinal sin of bringing in "outsiders" in the form of Kara Dioguardi and Max Martin as co-writers. Contrast that with Taylor who even though her style is more "pop" than Carrie,keeps all her business "in-house" so to speak : the few times Taylor co-writes,her co-writers are all Nashville veterans(Liz Rose comes to mind). So Carrie's predicament may boil down simply to a case of bad business practices alienating her industry peers.She took her business away from her fellow Nashville co-workers thus committing the ultimate betrayal in their eyes that no amount of Opry memberships can make up for.Maybe the Nashville songwriter bloc is especially powerful?(Just speculating here) It would be an irony that the songwriting on Play On tripped Carrie up,just not for the reasons most would envisage. logically, at this point, were all just probbaly graasping at that the real reasons are. and among all the possible reasons put out that is prob what im not buying the most. even though i dislike kara greatly, she has been trying to get into country music. its not a one time deal with carrie and carrie only. its not like "country" songwriters write pure country, whatever that is. and whats their excuse for carnival ride? cathy dennis? aimee mayo? didnt some people complain there was too much hilary lindsey? now it should be even more?
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Post by carrieidol1 on Sept 3, 2010 17:35:14 GMT -5
As a non-fan of Carrie Underwood,I can afford to be dispassionate about the current situation of her not being nominated for EOTY. Looking at this logically : the country music business in Nashville is ultimately that-a business.A business where insiders are above-all concerned with their own continued survival in the industry,where the "you rub my back,I'll rub yours" code is very much in force. These insiders turned their back on Carrie not for any airy fairy or noble sentiment of Carrie betraying the principles of country music by going "pop" but because Carrie committed the cardinal sin of bringing in "outsiders" in the form of Kara Dioguardi and Max Martin as co-writers. Contrast that with Taylor who even though her style is more "pop" than Carrie,keeps all her business "in-house" so to speak : the few times Taylor co-writes,her co-writers are all Nashville veterans(Liz Rose comes to mind). So Carrie's predicament may boil down simply to a case of bad business practices alienating her industry peers.She took her business away from her fellow Nashville co-workers thus committing the ultimate betrayal in their eyes that no amount of Opry memberships can make up for.Maybe the Nashville songwriter bloc is especially powerful?(Just speculating here) It would be an irony that the songwriting on Play On tripped Carrie up,just not for the reasons most would envisage. You're saying the people she cowrote with caused her to lose her CMA Entertainer nomination? I don't think so. Yes Carrie ventured out and wrote with Pop oriented writers. Meanwhile, Carrie managed to stick with those who wrote songs from both "Some Hearts" and "Carnival Ride". Carrie branched out, and in no way did that affect what Nashville thinks of her. In fact, Carrie has grown as a songwriter, and I wouldn't be surprised if they respect her more for that. Nashville, in a whole, has shown a great appreciation for Carrie. From her Opry induction, to her ACM domination and even the CMTs, Carrie is loved by Country music. With that said, it's hard to rationalize or justify why Carrie was left out again in this category. I'm fairly certain in saying that Carrie is still loved by Nashville regardless of who she choses to write with. Another thing, Carrie recently was hand-picked by Loretta Lynn to sing on her tribute album, Loretta is about as Country as it gets. Carrie is also singing on Randy Travis' next album. Carrie's peers continue to love and embrace her. Although your theory could be right with some people. I have a strong feeling her writing partners have nothing to do with her nominations. With that said, the material of which she writes may have an impact. As Dudley said, maybe the CMAs are waiting for her to reach her full potential as an artist. Carrie has the potential, and is well on the way to being one of the greatest Country females of all time. Maybe the CMAs are waiting for her to make the move in which she shows that final effort to become such an icon. Maybe they're waiting for an album that receives immense critical acclaim like Zac Brown Band's "The Foundation" or Miranda Lambert's "Revolution". Maybe they are waiting for her to do something in terms of touring; acoustic, DVD release, Stadium shows? Who knows? If this isn't what they're looking for, than there really isn't any more she can do. I don't know what else she could possibly do? She has it all, and has done it all. I hope her next album era turns out better in critical acclaim, and maintains Carrie's sales and status. If that occurs, I find it really hard to believe the CMAs could leave her out of Entertainer of the Year again.
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Post by fullonrainstorm on Sept 3, 2010 17:40:56 GMT -5
It's not the "style" or "genre" of the writers that Carrie works with that irked the CMA voters but just the fact that they weren't from the Nashville fraternity.(and there are rock,pop,gospel songwriters in Nashville )
You mention other non-Nashville based writers(Cathy Dennis) that Carrie used for Carnival Ride.Perhaps that's why Carrie didn't get nominated for CMA EOTY during the Carnival Ride era too?
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Post by what on Sept 3, 2010 19:25:31 GMT -5
It's not the "style" or "genre" of the writers that Carrie works with that irked the CMA voters but just the fact that they weren't from the Nashville fraternity.(and there are rock,pop,gospel songwriters in Nashville ) and you know this for a fact? kara dioguardi wrote for rascal flatts. but bec they were men, it was ok i guess? and they also got a song from a dreaded AI alum, which cmas apparently resent. thye also had no problems with taylor writing with colbie.
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Post by Stephen on Sept 3, 2010 19:31:02 GMT -5
I'm starting to think Carrie might actually feel hurt by this. Normally she blogs after major award nominations thanking God and the fans. No blog yet and it's been two days. Hmmm...
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Post by carrieidol1 on Sept 3, 2010 19:58:07 GMT -5
I'm starting to think Carrie might actually feel hurt by this. Normally she blogs after major award nominations thanking God and the fans. No blog yet and it's been two days. Hmmm... Or she could be busy? I love Carrie, obviously, but in all reality she has no reason to be upset. Obviously, most expected her to be nominated, and she might have expected it as well. Carrie is one of the most, if not, THE MOST, decorated female Country artist of all time. Awards in her career at this point are just icing on the giant cake she has in her trophy cabinet. I'm sure she's excited to be hosting and nominated again. I don't really think Carrie could be hurt by this, she'll be fine, lol. All the upset over it might even make her happy???
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