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Post by tsharky on Sept 3, 2010 21:23:19 GMT -5
^ Not to add fuel to the Taylor discussion here, but I don't buy the theory that Carrie was snubbed for writing with some pop songwriters, since she also wrote with Bill Anderson, John Randell, Marty Dodson, Vince Gill, and Natalie Hemby for this album.
Also, Taylor recorded pop songs with Colbie Coliat, John Mayer, as well as Boys Like Girls and even sang with TPain. So how did that not irk the old guard of Nashville snobs? Why is it ok for some people like Lady Antebellum, Zac Brown Band, and Taylor, to remix all their songs to pop for pop radio, yet still get CMA love?
Then again, Taylor got snubbed too, so maybe she did get some backlash for her pop pandering? I hadn't looked at it that way.
But if Taylor was snubbed for pop remixing, etc, why wasn't Lady A and Zac Brown Band?
See, the CMAs are following double standards on many levels, and apparently making up rules as they go along, just to get the results they desire.
If you are going to snub Taylor for Pop remixing, you must snub everyone for pop remixing, including Lady A and Zac Brown Band.
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Post by jeff on Sept 3, 2010 21:36:13 GMT -5
I'm starting to think Carrie might actually feel hurt by this. Normally she blogs after major award nominations thanking God and the fans. No blog yet and it's been two days. Hmmm... she hardly blogs when she is with her hubby. and he's about to start training camp, she's about to start her tour. i wouldn't read too much into the nonblog. if she was a single woman, then maybe.
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Post by countrygirl918 on Sept 3, 2010 22:42:34 GMT -5
I'm starting to think Carrie might actually feel hurt by this. Normally she blogs after major award nominations thanking God and the fans. No blog yet and it's been two days. Hmmm... Or she could be busy? I love Carrie, obviously, but in all reality she has no reason to be upset. Obviously, most expected her to be nominated, and she might have expected it as well. Carrie is one of the most, if not, THE MOST, decorated female Country artist of all time. Awards in her career at this point are just icing on the giant cake she has in her trophy cabinet. I'm sure she's excited to be hosting and nominated again. I don't really think Carrie could be hurt by this, she'll be fine, lol. All the upset over it might even make her happy??? Not saying that this means she's upset - I'm sure she's disappointed, but I'm also sure she's probably handling this a lot better than the fans are. But Carrie was on the fan club last night, responding to a thread on the forum. So it's not like she hasn't had any time to get near a computer or isn't at all aware of the uproar her snub is causing. At the same time, she has to be careful what she says in her blog. Since the snub is getting so much media attention, it's only fair to assume that whatever Carrie says in her blog will be analyzed to death (because you know OK magazine or some other tabloid is going to repost her blog on their website).
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Post by neally on Sept 4, 2010 1:25:41 GMT -5
Or she could be busy? I love Carrie, obviously, but in all reality she has no reason to be upset. Obviously, most expected her to be nominated, and she might have expected it as well. Carrie is one of the most, if not, THE MOST, decorated female Country artist of all time. Awards in her career at this point are just icing on the giant cake she has in her trophy cabinet. I'm sure she's excited to be hosting and nominated again. I don't really think Carrie could be hurt by this, she'll be fine, lol. All the upset over it might even make her happy??? Not saying that this means she's upset - I'm sure she's disappointed, but I'm also sure she's probably handling this a lot better than the fans are. But Carrie was on the fan club last night, responding to a thread on the forum. So it's not like she hasn't had any time to get near a computer or isn't at all aware of the uproar her snub is causing. At the same time, she has to be careful what she says in her blog. Since the snub is getting so much media attention, it's only fair to assume that whatever Carrie says in her blog will be analyzed to death (because you know OK magazine or some other tabloid is going to repost her blog on their website). This is exactly as how I would imagine Carrie is feeling/thinking about the snub right now. I have to believe that she is disappointed and at least was upset when she first heard the nods announced. Because she is so grateful to her fans, country radio, and the country society in general (because the country genre has been VERY kind to her), I'm sure she's well over it already. On a side note, it is such an honour to be asked to co-host the CMA's for the third straight year, because it spotlights her upcoming country "legend" status, similar to where Reba was in the late 80s or early 90s. Not to be a broken record, I feel Taylor should be more "upset" than Carrie in terms for the EOTY snub, because she is far more international, has had probably the biggest tour, biggest overall public appeal, etc. of all the candidates. Sadly, country radio continues to be sexist, especially the CMAs EOTY category historically only allotting one female slot among the nominees. To me, that sexism is the bigger snub story to female artists in general than to Carrie or Taylor individually.
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Post by Typo on Sept 4, 2010 1:30:45 GMT -5
I feel Taylor should be more "upset" than Carrie in terms for the EOTY snub, because she is far more international, has had probably the biggest tour, biggest overall public appeal, etc. of all the candidates. It was Carrie or Brad's year. Taylor hasn't even been all that active during the eligibility period, "Fifteen" and "Fearless" both underperformed at country radio, etc. She definitley deserved a nomination, a repeat win? Nahhh.
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Post by neally on Sept 4, 2010 1:39:11 GMT -5
I feel Taylor should be more "upset" than Carrie in terms for the EOTY snub, because she is far more international, has had probably the biggest tour, biggest overall public appeal, etc. of all the candidates. No. It was Carrie or Brad's year. I suppose that is subjective, although touring seems historically to be a big component of the category. Taylor's international tour placed at #8 in Worldwide ticket sales and #3 in North American ticket sales the first half of 2010, by far the highest of any country artist. Her international exposure, album sales, crossover appeal to both pop and country genres, and overall public spotlight are all extremely high but I can totally see Carrie being close with the Superbowl, her Christmas Special, guest role on a comedy show, successful tour (albeit much smaller than Taylor's), success at country radio and album sales. Either way, IMO, Taylor's snub was as bad or even worse than Carrie's in addition to the above when considering she is the reigning EOTY, lol. The CMAs really need to wake up and get over the dated sexism and in Carrie's sake, need to get over how she rose to fame via the Idol route (if that contributed to her snub)..... www.pollstarpro.com/specialfeatures2010/2010MidYearTop50WorldwideTours.pdfwww.pollstarpro.com/specialfeatures2010/2010MidYearTop100Tours.pdf
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Post by gran29 on Sept 4, 2010 9:39:46 GMT -5
I think there are probably a lot of old-school country industry insiders who still haven't accepted her, even with all her success. They think she got there the easy way. There are some like George Jones who will probably never accept her or anyone else who doesn't toe the strict country music line. They are the ones who need to move on and realize that it's no longer Country Western. Those days are long gone.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Sept 4, 2010 12:26:38 GMT -5
The CMAs Facebook, Twitter, and official website are all getting blown up with backlash about the nominations.
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Post by reidster on Sept 4, 2010 12:41:27 GMT -5
None of this is new. What is most surprising, IMO, that Carrie and Taylor got wins and nominations in previous years. People like Shania never got anything from the CMAs (besides the one EOTY award), despite being the biggest seller in Country music in the 90s, early 00s.
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Post by tsharky on Sept 4, 2010 15:28:18 GMT -5
^ yeah I never got the Shania snub either. She was the biggest thing in country music besides Garth Brooks at that time period.
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Post by jessluvsnick on Sept 4, 2010 19:34:09 GMT -5
I don't follow the CMA's or much of country music, but I wonder if they don't think Carrie is country enough. With the above poster's comment about Shania getting snubbed too, makes me wonder. Shania is poppy.
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Post by justlurkingaround on Sept 4, 2010 20:00:00 GMT -5
I'm beginning to simply not care about the CMAs. Controversy might be the thing they ask for to boost their ratings come November. A month down the road, no one will remember the snub, sadly.
Regarding the CMA fest performances, I thought they were really good (as usual). To me, Carrie Underwood can never go wrong with a live performance. Even when it's "shaky" by her standards, it triumphs almost anything any other artist might put out.
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Post by tsharky on Sept 4, 2010 20:30:50 GMT -5
Well taylor won entertainer last year and she is on pop radio all day long. Lol. So if carrie is too pop why wasn't taylor? Lol cmas have double standards in my opinion. They don't like that carrie came from american idol but miranda came from reality tv too and they don't care.
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Post by gran29 on Sept 4, 2010 22:24:15 GMT -5
Tee, the difference is that Miranda came from a Nashville show. Carrie came from Hollywood.
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Post by fischbone on Sept 4, 2010 23:46:22 GMT -5
Meh. Who cares. It may be political and maybe not. Carrie got snubbed big time and people are talking. Not just the crazy fanatics either but a lot of people. It is what it is..... I bet album sales increase! lol ETA: I think Dudley should start the new thread....
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Post by countrygirl918 on Sept 5, 2010 2:27:31 GMT -5
Meh. Who cares. It may be political and maybe not. Carrie got snubbed big time and people are talking. Not just the crazy fanatics either but a lot of people. It is what it is..... I bet album sales increase! lol ETA: I think Dudley should start the new thread.... Well, Play On benefited today on itunes. I'm not sure where it was before, but it moved up to #2 on itunes country albums today. It'll be interesting to see how this whole thing will be handled by the CMAs and by Carrie and her team. It might be different if she were not also a host, but since she is, she'll be interviewed a bunch more times before the show about the awards, and I'm sure she'll have to answer a lot of questions about the snub, which will probably be very uncomfortable for her. She'll also have to stand up on that stage at the beginning of the show and introduce those who did get EOTY nods, knowing that every word she says or gesture she does will have a spotlight on it because of the media attention that this snub has already gotten. She might've been able to avoid questions about the snub were she not a host, but now she'll be forced to deal with it publicly. I'm guessing that part of the reason for her silence thus far (aside from her being busy with her hubby up in Canada) is because her team and the CMA's PR team are working behind the scenes to figure out how to best handle this in public.
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Post by maddkat on Sept 5, 2010 7:41:11 GMT -5
Carrie will handle the CMA interviews and the opening with the grace, dignity and aplomb that defines her character.
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Post by gran29 on Sept 5, 2010 8:44:31 GMT -5
I agree, bluejay. Carrie has never done anything that wasn't classy. If she has any bitterness at all, she will not show it. She will be the lady she always is. I wonder how people will react at the CMAs when the names are read, knowing all the controversy around it. There could be a mild protest in the audience.
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Post by justlurkingaround on Sept 5, 2010 9:16:22 GMT -5
Well said, bluejay.
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Post by tsharky on Sept 5, 2010 9:50:17 GMT -5
Tee, the difference is that Miranda came from a Nashville show. Carrie came from Hollywood. I see what you are saying, but if that is their "logic" then they are more close minded then I thought. Carrie grew up on a farm in podunk Oklahoma, and is likely more "country" then many of the voters who may have wealthy backgrounds or grew up in big cities. What frustrates me, is that very few people take the time to know Carrie's real Bio, which would tell them that she worked hard paying dues for almost 10 years to make it in the music business long before she went on American Idol. She did 3 demos, which most of us own, and she did talent shows, county fairs, sang at church functions and was part of a country band in college. She DID "pay dues" before she went onto Idol as kind of a last resort as she was going to give up music and get a real job. The voters and people that snub her from Idol have this jaded misconception that Carrie and other Idols (like Kelly Clarkson, Daughtry, etc) all walk onto the Idol stage having never sung a note before in their life. The truth is, that Carrie, Bo, Daughtry, Kelly Clarkson, etc, worked hard to make it in the music business long before going on that stage on American Idol. So Carrie actually got here the traditional way, first, before getting her break on Idol. The voters just don't know this, or maybe they do know, and refuse to admit it. It is much more convenient for them to sterotype Carrie into a neat little package that they have created for her and other Idol contestants: Didn't pay dues, product of reality tv, manufactured star. They see what they want to see.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Sept 5, 2010 10:56:05 GMT -5
Tee, the difference is that Miranda came from a Nashville show. Carrie came from Hollywood. They're still reality shows with the same premiss. Regardless of where they are located. I see what you mean that Nashville Star is in Nashville so the people involved are for the most part involved with the Country music scene. However they are both reality singing competitions and the only difference is one show is open to any and all genres, while Nashville Star is strictly Country.
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Post by countrygirl918 on Sept 5, 2010 23:14:11 GMT -5
Tee, the difference is that Miranda came from a Nashville show. Carrie came from Hollywood. They're still reality shows with the same premiss. Regardless of where they are located. I see what you mean that Nashville Star is in Nashville so the people involved are for the most part involved with the Country music scene. However they are both reality singing competitions and the only difference is one show is open to any and all genres, while Nashville Star is strictly Country. If anything, it should reflect even better on Carrie that she fought so hard to stay true to her country roots when she was getting pressured left, right and center to go pop.
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Post by misterscribbs on Sept 6, 2010 0:16:50 GMT -5
They're still reality shows with the same premiss. Regardless of where they are located. I see what you mean that Nashville Star is in Nashville so the people involved are for the most part involved with the Country music scene. However they are both reality singing competitions and the only difference is one show is open to any and all genres, while Nashville Star is strictly Country. If anything, it should reflect even better on Carrie that she fought so hard to stay true to her country roots when she was getting pressured left, right and center to go pop. I agree. It really sucks that Carrie fought so hard, and probably still does, to not sell out to the pop market. She's definitely taken a cut, because I'm sure if she released some stuff to pop it'd be big. It just shows how much she believes in country music and how important it is to her. So for people who do sell out to pop to be nominated over her probably is kind of a slam in the face. I really do feel bad for her, but I know she'd gonna be just fine.
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Post by Nic (Britney Spears) on Sept 6, 2010 14:06:40 GMT -5
"Undo It" is the first Carrie Underwood song to ever chart on my personal chart. 3 weeks ago, the song debuted at 58 and moved up to 46 the next week. This week, the song climbs again - up to #35
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Post by jptexas on Sept 7, 2010 11:40:56 GMT -5
I agree, bluejay. Carrie has never done anything that wasn't classy. If she has any bitterness at all, she will not show it. She will be the lady she always is. I wonder how people will react at the CMAs when the names are read, knowing all the controversy around it. There could be a mild protest in the audience. It will interesting to see if Brad jokingly brings the contraversy up. If he's got the cajones, he could name all the EOTY nominees and include Carrie. Then just say"Oh my bad, it's not her year yet". That would kill.
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Post by neally on Sept 7, 2010 11:46:02 GMT -5
I agree, bluejay. Carrie has never done anything that wasn't classy. If she has any bitterness at all, she will not show it. She will be the lady she always is. I wonder how people will react at the CMAs when the names are read, knowing all the controversy around it. There could be a mild protest in the audience. It will interesting to see if Brad jokingly brings the contraversy up. If he's got the cajones, he could name all the EOTY nominees and include Carrie. Then just say"Oh my bad, it's not her year yet". That would kill. I love it- that is some funny sh*t, albeit with some risk taken by Brad. That would be a headline and without a doubt, loads of us folks would on the floor !
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Post by fischbone on Sept 7, 2010 16:38:32 GMT -5
Carrie is having a press conference tomorrow. What could it be for? ??? www.facebook.com/#!/carrieunderwood?v=wall&story_fbid=148587011841854
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Post by jeff on Sept 7, 2010 16:41:47 GMT -5
she's never had such an announcement of a presser. for athletes it usually means announcing retirement. lol
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Post by fischbone on Sept 7, 2010 16:45:49 GMT -5
she's never had such an announcement of a presser. for athletes it usually means announcing retirement. lol Yep. OR Maybe she's so pissed about the CMA snub that she's going to a different genre. lol I just read someone mentioning that it could have to do with her next Opry performance begin televised on TV for the flood relief. :) Good guess I think!
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Post by Typo on Sept 7, 2010 16:49:26 GMT -5
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