JJ
2x Platinum Member
Joined: September 2003
Posts: 2,612
|
Post by JJ on May 19, 2010 9:58:31 GMT -5
Well, I don't know how old you are, but if u were listening to radio during 96 to 2001, you'd know Jewel was on very often. After the monster hits You Were Meant For Me and Foolish Games (w/ Who Will Save Your Soul coming first), Hands carried her well into 1999, but the follow up Down So Long didn't do well. Standing Still, in 2001, got her back to charts and Intuition in 2003 was a big hit too. Sure, it's been quite a while since she scored another hit, but I'd consider her career to be very successful.
Still, I agree with what some of you said, Jewel does tend to like her newer songs better than the old ones, and her most daring songs never make the albums... Songs that are really good that she recently wrote, like A Hole In My Heart and My Father's Daughter, couldn't make the album cause the label was not fond of them. I think after this album she will go indie for good. She's already preparing her album of original standards-type songs that she's been writing since her youth and this album will certainly be, at least, interesting. She's also preparing an all acoustic album to follow up w/ all the unreleased stuff, and another kids album.
So, as a big fan, I think it's a shame that country radio didn't connect well with Jewel but I'm just glad she's not letting that get to her and she will continue to put music out anyway she can. One good thing about her early success is that it bought her freedom.
|
|
Ace
5x Platinum Member
The Guvanah
I enjoy walkin Soho drinkin in the afternoon
Joined: October 2008
Posts: 5,215
|
Post by Ace on May 19, 2010 15:44:18 GMT -5
Really enjoying this one. Also liked Stay Here Forever. Doubt it'll be a hit, but I don't think she compromises her artistic integrity, as so many people here do. I think there a consistency that underwrites her music that has stayed true from her folky roots, through the poppiest parts of 0304, and now into her forays in country.
Would like to see this give her a jump-start; sadly, I don't think it will.
|
|
|
Post by mattyboy on May 19, 2010 16:53:24 GMT -5
Reading that post made my head hurt.
|
|
|
Post by kevin59 on May 19, 2010 18:45:00 GMT -5
Jewel - June 7, 2010Jewel - World Premiere of Sweet & WildWith special guest Steel Magnolia June 7th LIVE. One Night Only. Jewel's World Premiere is a VELOCITY HD Experience broadcast only into exclusive locations around the world. www.velocityboxoffice.com/category.aspx?zcid=113
|
|
Deleted
Joined: January 1970
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 19, 2010 21:38:55 GMT -5
Well, I don't know how old you are, but if u were listening to radio during 96 to 2001, you'd know Jewel was on very often. After the monster hits You Were Meant For Me and Foolish Games (w/ Who Will Save Your Soul coming first), Hands carried her well into 1999, but the follow up Down So Long didn't do well. Standing Still, in 2001, got her back to charts and Intuition in 2003 was a big hit too. Sure, it's been quite a while since she scored another hit, but I'd consider her career to be very successful. Still, I agree with what some of you said, Jewel does tend to like her newer songs better than the old ones, and her most daring songs never make the albums... Songs that are really good that she recently wrote, like A Hole In My Heart and My Father's Daughter, couldn't make the album cause the label was not fond of them. I think after this album she will go indie for good. She's already preparing her album of original standards-type songs that she's been writing since her youth and this album will certainly be, at least, interesting. She's also preparing an all acoustic album to follow up w/ all the unreleased stuff, and another kids album. So, as a big fan, I think it's a shame that country radio didn't connect well with Jewel but I'm just glad she's not letting that get to her and she will continue to put music out anyway she can. One good thing about her early success is that it bought her freedom. If you were referring to me, I am 20 haha. And I listened to radio a lot in the late 90's and early 00's, but never heard Jewel. Why? I only listen to country...I suppose you could call me a country girl, and I will always be that way. I have nothing against Jewel...I am aware she was played a lot on radio (other genres), and I think she has a pretty good voice...but she never established herself in country, and not a lot of people who shift into country have good success. This is her discography: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewel_discography It shows some great initial success, then a sharp decline in sales...and her big hits are scattered all over different genres. I just don't think there is a place for her in country...she still sounds too "poppy." This song isn't anything new or spectacular, and I fail to see how it could do better than her previous single.
|
|
joey2002
6x Platinum Member
Joined: January 2009
Posts: 6,372
|
Post by joey2002 on May 19, 2010 21:50:10 GMT -5
^ So you were only 7 or 8 years old back in 1998... I was only 11 :) but i remember hearing people talk about Jewel ... and she was "bubblegum" pop. Anyways, this new song is alright, but right now I really can't picture it being a big country hit...
|
|
Deleted
Joined: January 1970
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 19, 2010 21:59:09 GMT -5
^ So you were only 7 or 8 years old back in 1998... I was only 11 :) but i remember hearing people talk about Jewel ... and she was "bubblegum" pop. Anyways, this new song is alright, but right now I really can't picture it being a big country hit... I was 8, but we always had the radio on. I remember all of the big hits from George, Tim, Toby, Alan, and eventually the emergence of Keith Urban and Brad Paisley. Shania and the Dixie Chicks and Faith Hill, I got it all. Already back then I'd track album sales and estimations as to how many times songs were played daily on my local station, so I knew who was big, who was in the middle, and who couldn't catch a break. My only point was that, yes, Jewel was huge for a time, just not country. And I don't think she will be.
|
|
|
Post by mattyboy on May 19, 2010 22:50:56 GMT -5
My only point was that, yes, Jewel was huge for a time, just not country. And I don't think she will be. Sometimes less is more. It's easier to just say your point than saying 25 things that are not relevant and hiding your point somewhere in there (and then deleting the post).
|
|
joey2002
6x Platinum Member
Joined: January 2009
Posts: 6,372
|
Post by joey2002 on May 19, 2010 23:14:23 GMT -5
I was 8, but we always had the radio on. I remember all of the big hits from George, Tim, Toby, Alan, and eventually the emergence of Keith Urban and Brad Paisley. Shania and the Dixie Chicks and Faith Hill, I got it all. Already back then I'd track album sales and estimations as to how many times songs were played daily on my local station, so I knew who was big, who was in the middle, and who couldn't catch a break. My only point was that, yes, Jewel was huge for a time, just not country. And I don't think she will be. Tracking sales and airplay numbers, wow, you were a smart little 3rd grader... ;) 1998 was actually the year that I first really started paying attention to music ... and I also only listened to country. Yeah, Faith Hill and Tim Mcgraw were sooo huge during that time. Anyways, before I get completely off topic, Jewel was big enough that I heard some of my friends talk about her songs ... but she never was close to country or anything. Maybe she'll eventually come up a big country hit, who knows, but I agree with what you said ... there just doesn't seem to be anything special enough about this song for it to be a breakthrough single.
|
|
josh
Platinum Member
Joined: November 2005
Posts: 1,124
|
Post by josh on May 19, 2010 23:28:01 GMT -5
I think Jewel's problem is she needs to work with some professional song writers. Lately, her writing skills seem to be out of whack with what's popular in pop music or country music.
|
|
Deleted
Joined: January 1970
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 20, 2010 0:04:03 GMT -5
My only point was that, yes, Jewel was huge for a time, just not country. And I don't think she will be. Sometimes less is more. It's easier to just say your point than saying 25 things that are not relevant and hiding your point somewhere in there (and then deleting the post). It was the main thesis, and I felt obligated to put some building blocks toward it, otherwise you can get accussed for posting an opinion or for leaving something out. I'm not sure what the deleting the post reference means...I have not deleted any posts on this thread. And joey2002, as far as tracking sales and airplay, I would pay close attention to how well albums were selling, and just what songs broadcasters played more...tracking stuff and internet wasn't nearly as big as it is now...nowadays, all I have to do is check my station's online playlist to see all the songs that were played during the day...but I'd still go online and see how songs were doing on the charts. I supposed you could call me a country nerd haha. I was aware of other genres...boy bands, Britney Spears, lol.. and I'd heard of Jewel and some of her songs reached my ears. And I knew she had good success especially with her first album, but she wasn't country and I don't think she'll become a main force on the country charts. But maybe I'm wrong, and this song will be a big hit. Who knows these days lol...I'll just stick to my original prediction of it peaking somewhere in the vein where "Stay Here Forever" peaked, or even just below it...
|
|
|
Post by BurnItUp (with Kerosene) on May 20, 2010 1:04:41 GMT -5
I think Jewel's problem is she needs to work with some professional song writers. Lately, her writing skills seem to be out of whack with what's popular in pop music or country music. Most of the new songs are written with established Nashville songwriters, I believe, so I'm not sure why it seems out of whack with what's popular, but I agree that it does. One thing that interests me, is that Jewel had a pre-country career similar to Darius Rucker, yet the former seems to struggle at country (with criticisms levied for crossing over to country), and the latter has become a respected country artist. I'm sure there's song quality involved (or at least song "catchiness"), but I still come back to whether part of it is gender disparity.
|
|
joey2002
6x Platinum Member
Joined: January 2009
Posts: 6,372
|
Post by joey2002 on May 20, 2010 1:16:23 GMT -5
Sometimes less is more. It's easier to just say your point than saying 25 things that are not relevant and hiding your point somewhere in there (and then deleting the post). It was the main thesis, and I felt obligated to put some building blocks toward it, otherwise you can get accussed for posting an opinion or for leaving something out. I'm not sure what the deleting the post reference means...I have not deleted any posts on this thread. And joey2002, as far as tracking sales and airplay, I would pay close attention to how well albums were selling, and just what songs broadcasters played more...tracking stuff and internet wasn't nearly as big as it is now...nowadays, all I have to do is check my station's online playlist to see all the songs that were played during the day...but I'd still go online and see how songs were doing on the charts. I supposed you could call me a country nerd haha. I was aware of other genres...boy bands, Britney Spears, lol.. and I'd heard of Jewel and some of her songs reached my ears. And I knew she had good success especially with her first album, but she wasn't country and I don't think she'll become a main force on the country charts. But maybe I'm wrong, and this song will be a big hit. Who knows these days lol...I'll just stick to my original prediction of it peaking somewhere in the vein where "Stay Here Forever" peaked, or even just below it... lol, I'm pretty sure mattyboy confused yours with a post from someone else... Oh, and I actually used to do the same thing with keeping track of radio stations and airplay. I used to write down songs and artists to see who was played the most ... and see if they were really playing 10 songs in a row ... that kind of fun stuff... :)
|
|
Deleted
Joined: January 1970
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 20, 2010 20:36:25 GMT -5
It was the main thesis, and I felt obligated to put some building blocks toward it, otherwise you can get accussed for posting an opinion or for leaving something out. I'm not sure what the deleting the post reference means...I have not deleted any posts on this thread. And joey2002, as far as tracking sales and airplay, I would pay close attention to how well albums were selling, and just what songs broadcasters played more...tracking stuff and internet wasn't nearly as big as it is now...nowadays, all I have to do is check my station's online playlist to see all the songs that were played during the day...but I'd still go online and see how songs were doing on the charts. I supposed you could call me a country nerd haha. I was aware of other genres...boy bands, Britney Spears, lol.. and I'd heard of Jewel and some of her songs reached my ears. And I knew she had good success especially with her first album, but she wasn't country and I don't think she'll become a main force on the country charts. But maybe I'm wrong, and this song will be a big hit. Who knows these days lol...I'll just stick to my original prediction of it peaking somewhere in the vein where "Stay Here Forever" peaked, or even just below it... lol, I'm pretty sure mattyboy confused yours with a post from someone else... Oh, and I actually used to do the same thing with keeping track of radio stations and airplay. I used to write down songs and artists to see who was played the most ... and see if they were really playing 10 songs in a row ... that kind of fun stuff... :) Nice! and haha, yeah, I was just reading back the posts in the thread and the converstation is jumbled because other people would jump in and of course that's fine but I just couldn't tell who was referring to what post at certain times lol.
|
|
JJ
2x Platinum Member
Joined: September 2003
Posts: 2,612
|
Post by JJ on May 21, 2010 8:39:32 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by gallopinggold on Jun 28, 2010 17:18:19 GMT -5
so this doesn't seem to be doing well as I predicted. It's a beautiful song but again out of place at the current country format. The first two songs on the CD are killer and much more radio friendly. I don't quite understand how and/or why they keep choosing songs that perform horribly. She is so talented and the new material is so good. This song is last on the cd and seems slightly out of place compared to the rest of the songs too. I feel like it is the song that doesn't belong. The video is nice though. She always looks great.
|
|
.indulgecountry
Diamond Member
Best Country Poster 2011, 2017, & 2018
"You left a mark on my face // And brought a dozen red flags in a vase"
|
Post by .indulgecountry on Jun 28, 2010 19:38:53 GMT -5
This single really should've waited until later in the fall/winter, and even then it probably wouldn't have done all that well, but releasing it now was just a waste of a good song
I hope the next one is "No Good in Goodbye" -- if there's a song on Sweet and Wild to get her some chart success, that's the one
|
|
phil1996
4x Platinum Member
Joined: October 2009
Posts: 4,832
|
Post by phil1996 on Jun 28, 2010 20:22:12 GMT -5
Man, this song is just too good to flop.
|
|
.indulgecountry
Diamond Member
Best Country Poster 2011, 2017, & 2018
"You left a mark on my face // And brought a dozen red flags in a vase"
|
Post by .indulgecountry on Jun 28, 2010 21:32:18 GMT -5
Man, this song is just too good to flop. I agree; overall, its my favorite country song of her career after "I Do" (which also should've been a big hit)
|
|
Deleted
Joined: January 1970
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2010 22:55:30 GMT -5
Not everyone can make it on the country charts. I don't think this was the right song to release, as a lot of reviews make not of the lackluster lyrics and not enough "punch" to the vocal production. Jewel has the voice and the look, but I'm not sure if this was the song to release at this point. It doesn't shout "hit" to me at all, and doesn't seem too original by any means. But even if she had an exceptional song, I'm not sure if there is a place for her on country radio right now. The women seem to struggle, and there's already plenty of competition...
|
|
.indulgecountry
Diamond Member
Best Country Poster 2011, 2017, & 2018
"You left a mark on my face // And brought a dozen red flags in a vase"
|
Post by .indulgecountry on Jun 28, 2010 23:40:27 GMT -5
She needs to combine her songwriting prowess and her amazing vocals on an up tempo single, because most of her releases have been ballads... and then there's that "Stay Here Forever" which was made for a romance movie, so it wasn't supposed to be a groundbreaking song by any means
She needs that "Stronger Woman" #2... and "No Good in Goodbye" is the best contender, IMHO
|
|
Ace
5x Platinum Member
The Guvanah
I enjoy walkin Soho drinkin in the afternoon
Joined: October 2008
Posts: 5,215
|
Post by Ace on Jun 29, 2010 10:58:50 GMT -5
She needs to combine her songwriting prowess and her amazing vocals on an up tempo single, because most of her releases have been ballads... and then there's that "Stay Here Forever" which was made for a romance movie, so it wasn't supposed to be a groundbreaking song by any means She needs that "Stronger Woman" #2... and "No Good in Goodbye" is the best contender, IMHO I could see No Good in Goodbye or Ten as singles. I think since Stay Here Forever didn't really receive first-single treatment (handled as a soundtrack single and then carried over to this era), she needed to come out swinging with the next proper single. This one would have been a nice follow-up, but it lacks the punch to dent the chart the way she needed to. With all of the competition coupled with the uphill battle most female singers face on the country charts, it seems she's doomed with this era as well. It's a shame, because I think it's miles better than her last country release.
|
|
.indulgecountry
Diamond Member
Best Country Poster 2011, 2017, & 2018
"You left a mark on my face // And brought a dozen red flags in a vase"
|
Post by .indulgecountry on Jun 29, 2010 11:50:14 GMT -5
I think it is too, and I could also see "Ten" as a single... but I think "No Good in Goodbye" should be released first and followed by that song
|
|