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Post by carrieidol1 on Feb 1, 2011 10:02:43 GMT -5
Who are the other nominees? It is possible that Carrie had a great year but so did 5 other people who they felt had just a little better of a year... 5 would be a legitimate number, but they went down to 6... So yes, it's possible, but when they go from 8 to 6, instead of back to 5. It's clear that they are deliberately steering in the direction of other artists. Had it been 8, Carrie surely would be there... It's just weird, and seems very deliberate.
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Post by countrygirl918 on Feb 1, 2011 10:05:34 GMT -5
Who are the other nominees? It is possible that Carrie had a great year but so did 5 other people who they felt had just a little better of a year... Jason Aldean Toby Keith Brad Paisley Taylor Swift Keith Urban Miranda Lambert The snub is obviously because they didn't want Carrie winning for a third time, but to ignore all of the success that she had in 2010 is inexcusable, IMO.
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Post by Black Jesus on Feb 1, 2011 10:14:11 GMT -5
Let's be honest guys...this year really was Miranda's year. She deserves ACM EOTY and she's going to win Top Female Vocalist over Carrie as well. Another reason why I think this era should end.
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Post by Stephen on Feb 1, 2011 10:20:58 GMT -5
Let's be honest guys...this year really was Miranda's year. She deserves ACM EOTY and she's going to win Top Female Vocalist over Carrie as well. Another reason why I think this era should end. I get Female Vocalist, but why EOTY exactly? Did she sing the NA at the superbowl? See over a million fans? Sing on IGB? Guest star on a hit sitcom? Get a supporting role in a movie? Be a part of the Michael Jackson Grammy Tribute? Have four #2 hits? Have a platinum and a gold single in the time frame? Nope. So... I don't see it. Definite snub.
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Post by jptexas on Feb 1, 2011 10:23:01 GMT -5
Let's be honest guys...this year really was Miranda's year. She deserves ACM EOTY and she's going to win Top Female Vocalist over Carrie as well. Another reason why I think this era should end. I agree, but wasn't it also another stellar year for Carrie. Three number ones, a number 2, a great "headlining" tour, double platinum album. To not have at least a nomination for EOTY, CMA and now ACM, is a snub by the industry. It's that simple. Just because others have great years doesn't mean Carrie, in her usual great year, cannot and should not be recognized for her efforts, especially when her resume is much better than others in the same category.
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Post by Black Jesus on Feb 1, 2011 10:23:48 GMT -5
Well I do agree with that. I don't think she deserves to win over Miranda this year personally but she definitely deserved a nomination over the irrelevant Toby Keith
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Post by fischbone on Feb 1, 2011 10:31:52 GMT -5
I'm sorry, and I love Miranda and all, but no she should not win over Carrie. Miranda had ONE hit and wasn't nearly as visibly as Carrie was. I don't get the tongue bath she is getting from country music either because of her one hit.....
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Post by Black Jesus on Feb 1, 2011 10:43:16 GMT -5
I'm sorry, and I love Miranda and all, but no she should not win over Carrie. Miranda had ONE hit and wasn't nearly as visibly as Carrie was. I don't get the tongue bath she is getting from country music either because of her one hit..... I think it's because of her album. Have you heard it? The songs they released to radio besides WL and THTBM were the good single choices but OP wasn't. It was probably the only weak track on the album. It's an amazing album. I wasn't a fan of her until I heard the album.
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Post by fischbone on Feb 1, 2011 10:48:19 GMT -5
Yes I have and I love it. However, that doesn't mean she is EOTY material.
Entertainer of the Year
This award is presented to the individual, duo or group who showed the most overall success in the country music industry during the prior calendar year of December 1st to November 30th. The factors to be considered include, but are not limited to, success at radio, sales of pre-recorded music, success of music videos, vocal performances, live concert ticket sales, artistic merit, appearances on television, appearances in films, songwriting, success in digital media, and contributions to the country music industry. The nominees shall be determined by a nomination ballot(s) and are subject to the approval of the Board. The final nominees are voted on by the ACM professional membership with the winner being determined by a combination of votes from the professional membership of the ACM and fan voting (online and/or text). Based on the top vote getters, there will be up to 8 (eight) final nominees. If there is a tie for the eighth slot, there will only be 7 (seven) final nominees.
According to that criteria, Carrie should win.
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Post by desertfloods on Feb 1, 2011 10:50:44 GMT -5
I'm sorry, and I love Miranda and all, but no she should not win over Carrie. Miranda had ONE hit and wasn't nearly as visibly as Carrie was. I don't get the tongue bath she is getting from country music either because of her one hit..... I think it's because of her album. Have you heard it? The songs they released to radio besides WL and THTBM were the good single choices but OP wasn't. It was probably the only weak track on the album. It's an amazing album. I wasn't a fan of her until I heard the album. Which is why, Album and Single/Song nominations for her are deserving IMO (even though I only like a few of her songs). But to me, she's not there yet for EOTY. If one breakout year=EOTY nomination, then Carrie was even more snubbed back in Some Hearts era.
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Post by misterscribbs on Feb 1, 2011 10:53:31 GMT -5
This is getting ridiculous. This was NOT Miranda's year. She didn't have a year like Carrie. Frankly, there's really nobody that was nominated that did as well as Carrie. If they didn't want to win, then they shouldn't vote for her. But to look her over completely, it's just disrespectful to someone who has been so loyal and respectful to the industry itself, let alone the ACM's. It's rubbish, there must be more to this story.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Feb 1, 2011 11:02:39 GMT -5
Looking at the criteria for EOTY, let's see who covers more, looking at who has more Miranda vs. Carrie:
Miranda Lambert:
This award is presented to the individual, duo or group who showed the most overall success in the country music industry during the prior calendar year of December 1st to November 30th. The factors to be considered include, but are not limited to, success at radio, sales of pre-recorded music, success of music videos, vocal performances, live concert ticket sales, artistic merit, appearances on television, appearances in films, songwriting, success in digital media, and contributions to the country music industry. The nominees shall be determined by a nomination ballot(s) and are subject to the approval of the Board. The final nominees are voted on by the ACM professional membership with the winner being determined by a combination of votes from the professional membership of the ACM and fan voting (online and/or text). Based on the top vote getters, there will be up to 8 (eight) final nominees. If there is a tie for the eighth slot, there will only be 7 (seven) final nominees.
Carrie Underwood:
This award is presented to the individual, duo or group who showed the most overall success in the country music industry during the prior calendar year of December 1st to November 30th. The factors to be considered include, but are not limited to, success at radio, sales of pre-recorded music, success of music videos, vocal performances, live concert ticket sales, artistic merit, appearances on television, appearances in films, songwriting, success in digital media, and contributions to the country music industry. The nominees shall be determined by a nomination ballot(s) and are subject to the approval of the Board. The final nominees are voted on by the ACM professional membership with the winner being determined by a combination of votes from the professional membership of the ACM and fan voting (online and/or text). Based on the top vote getters, there will be up to 8 (eight) final nominees. If there is a tie for the eighth slot, there will only be 7 (seven) final nominees.
Artistic merit and songwriting are arguable. All of Carrie's singles in the past year were co-written by her, and Miranda's huge hit wasn't written by her, but her others were. Merit is really opinionated... but, Miranda is LOVED by the critics so I gave it to her.
Based on the criteria, not only should Carrie have been nominated, she should have won.
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Post by stuffy on Feb 1, 2011 11:24:17 GMT -5
There's no point in singling out Miranda. None of the nominees covered the amount of criteria listed as Carrie. It's not just Miranda. Why does it always have to be one girl vs. Another girl?
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Post by jeff on Feb 1, 2011 11:27:43 GMT -5
for those getting bent over with the criteria, i bet the voters don't study the criteria, make out a spreadsheet to see who did what in each part of the criteria. i think a lot of them vote based on friendships (Carrie herself has said that's how she votes, why shouldn't others vote that way too).
anyhow, since they reduced the nominees from 8 to 6, looks like they wanted someone out.
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Post by countrygirl918 on Feb 1, 2011 11:38:34 GMT -5
The criteria PDF on the ACM's official website says it is effective for the 2011 Award Show. So there should be at least 7 nominations. If there was a tie between two acts, that explains the lack of an 8th nomination, but there should be at least 7.
The criteria by which they vote is subjective, like Jeff said, but the number of nominations should not change from the updated and effective criteria list.
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Post by boomer187 on Feb 1, 2011 11:39:57 GMT -5
It's manipulative political bunk!! They didn't want Carrie to get a nom!
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Post by austin on Feb 1, 2011 11:44:07 GMT -5
I find it funny and as a non-Carrie fan I am even kinda disappointed she was not nominated. She did NOT deserve to win it the past two years, and only did so because of fan voting bologna, but she DEFINITELY was the entertainer of the year THIS year, or a close second. WOW. I am surprised she was snubbed. This means she isn't taking home any ACMs this year, though. It's sad she is getting snubbed when she deserves it, but in the past she has won way too many when she didn't, so I guess it balances out.
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Post by fischbone on Feb 1, 2011 11:50:38 GMT -5
There's no point in singling out Miranda. None of the nominees covered the amount of criteria listed as Carrie. It's not just Miranda. Why does it always have to be one girl vs. Another girl? You have a point. I was just mentioning her because Zach said she deserved it over Carrie. Carrie pretty much owned everyone in the category.
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Post by austin on Feb 1, 2011 11:58:50 GMT -5
There's no point in singling out Miranda. None of the nominees covered the amount of criteria listed as Carrie. It's not just Miranda. Why does it always have to be one girl vs. Another girl? You have a point. I was just mentioning her because Zach said she deserved it over Carrie. Carrie pretty much owned everyone in the category. Yeah, for me Brad and Carrie shouldve been the frontrunners. Next year Taylor will be the most deserving because we all know her tour is going to explode, but this year Brad and Carrie shouldve been the Top two with either one winning. Oh well, its just the awards!
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Post by Typo on Feb 1, 2011 12:04:29 GMT -5
Ugh. Anyway... Carrie is mentioned in Country Universe's Identity Crisis write-up: Ten years ago, Carrie Underwood would’ve been grouped as a pop-country diva. These days, she’s the only recent superstar that even seems to care that her music sounds identifiably country.
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Post by kt1990 on Feb 1, 2011 12:12:38 GMT -5
There's no point in singling out Miranda. None of the nominees covered the amount of criteria listed as Carrie. It's not just Miranda. Why does it always have to be one girl vs. Another girl? +1. They both deserved nominations for EOTY this year, IMO. I don't think Miranda 'stole' Carrie's nomination. Like someone already said, there were other artists in the category who shouldn't have been nominated over Carrie. That said, I think even if Carrie were nominated she probably wouldn't win this year anyway, I think Brad Paisley will. But yeah, it definitely appears to be a deliberate snub, which is unfortunate.
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Post by desertfloods on Feb 1, 2011 12:45:53 GMT -5
Carrie is mentioned in Country Universe's Identity Crisis write-up: Ten years ago, Carrie Underwood would’ve been grouped as a pop-country diva. These days, she’s the only recent superstar that even seems to care that her music sounds identifiably country.
Love this!
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Post by carrieidol1 on Feb 1, 2011 12:53:03 GMT -5
It was clearly deliberate even the PDF official criteria states there should be 8, possibly 7. The fact that it's 6 with no official reason why (a two-way tie) - yeah, right... says it's clearly a deliberate attempt to keep Carrie out of the category.
It's just upsetting, I think Miranda definitely deserved a nomination, but Carrie even more so. I don't think anyone stole Carrie's spot, instead, Carrie's spot was deliberately eliminated... go figure??? Do they really think the fans are that stupid??
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Post by Black Jesus on Feb 1, 2011 13:27:25 GMT -5
It's manipulative political bunk!! They didn't want Carrie to get a nom! I wouldn't be so sure about that. If the politics were against her then she wouldn't have won 2 years in a row
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Post by what on Feb 1, 2011 13:28:17 GMT -5
maybe there was a 3-way tie and thats why there was only 6 nominees?!
anyway, im surprised that lady a and zac brown band didnt make it as well, considering the slobbering in the cmas. but i think zbb made it last year.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Feb 1, 2011 13:33:09 GMT -5
maybe there was a 3-way tie and thats why there was only 6 nominees?! anyway, im surprised that lady a and zac brown band didnt make it as well, considering the slobbering in the cmas. but i think zbb made it last year. I HIGHLY doubt that, but there is the slightest possibility...
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Post by TFMachado on Feb 1, 2011 13:36:20 GMT -5
I think it would look weird for the the ACMs and CMAs having Carrie winning EOTY 3 times in a row at the ACMs and not once be nominated for EOTY at the CMAs... plus Taylor never won EOTY at the ACMs and I think without Carrie, she has no competition, based on fan voting...
either way, EOTY proves to be always the most controversial category!!
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Post by austin on Feb 1, 2011 13:48:54 GMT -5
The more I think about it, the more I wonder if releasing a dud like "Mama's Song" hurt her more than anything. It had poor callout scores compared to most of her singles, and even the most die-hard Carrie fans prefer other songs and were mad to see it released. Maybe the fact that is was her most underwhelming single, coupled with being her most recent (so fresh in their minds) made them forget about her a little bit.
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Post by lunaboona on Feb 1, 2011 14:13:45 GMT -5
Carrie should have been nominated. Its really kind of disrespectful imo. Since her career started Carrie has been successful in each album era. Why is it that Keith Urban and Brad Paisly get nominated every year but not Carrie? Why does Kenny Chesney get to win EOTY 3 times in a row but Carrie doesn't get the chance to? Is it because she is a woman and that counrty music is still sexist?
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Post by what on Feb 1, 2011 14:22:52 GMT -5
The more I think about it, the more I wonder if releasing a dud like "Mama's Song" hurt her more than anything. It had poor callout scores compared to most of her singles, and even the most die-hard Carrie fans prefer other songs and were mad to see it released. Maybe the fact that is was her most underwhelming single, coupled with being her most recent (so fresh in their minds) made them forget about her a little bit. possibly. rascal flatts still couldnt get over the stink that bob that head produced, although mama's song is nowhere near the atrocity of bob that head. there are a lot of way better songs in the album, and songs that should be singles. but carrie let self-indulgence get in the way and released mama's song. play on didnt get the most stellar reviews, and in the minds of the casual buyer/listener, the singles are the album, and if the singles range from mediocre to ok at best, theres really not much to help the album from that part. fellow artists have biases and favorites too. i highly doubt that they dissect and analyze all the songs in the album like die-hard fans do. with all the work and touring they do, i wouldnt be surprised if the singles represented the entire album to them, and judge the album based on that. so as an artist you always want to put your best foot forward, make the best representation of your work by whatever opportunities you have.
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