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Post by carrieidol1 on Feb 1, 2011 15:10:02 GMT -5
It has nothing to do with her material, timing, etc. It was an intentional snub by the ACMs and it's very obvious! Had they kept the 8 nominees, or even 7 (tie), there wouldn't be so much upset, but it's down to 6 for no apparent reason. But, there is an apparent reason! They want others to have a chance to win and against Carrie Underwood, that isn't possible. So they eliminated the spot Carrie would undoubtedly take! It's so evident, and no one can argue otherwise. You can come up with reasons why Carrie wasn't nominated, but the fact that the ACMs went from 8 to 6 nominees when their criteria specifically states there should be 8, possibly, 7, is a clear indication that the other two spots, one of which being Carrie's, were intentionally eliminated as to make sure there is less competition for the other nominees. That's just wrong.
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Post by lyrichord on Feb 1, 2011 15:30:48 GMT -5
Yeah, Carrie should have been nominated this year, but she probably shouldn't have won last year and mainly did so due to the expanded field and the fan voting. I'm sure there were plenty of academy members unhappy to have their voices drowned out by expert American Idol texters and let TPTB in charge know about it. Hence, this year's nominations. But geez, at least make the Carrie snub a little less obvious by deciding to go back to five nominees for EOTY instead of a random six. The more I think about it, the more I wonder if releasing a dud like "Mama's Song" hurt her more than anything. It had poor callout scores compared to most of her singles, and even the most die-hard Carrie fans prefer other songs and were mad to see it released. Maybe the fact that is was her most underwhelming single, coupled with being her most recent (so fresh in their minds) made them forget about her a little bit. possibly. rascal flatts still couldnt get over the stink that bob that head produced, although mama's song is nowhere near the atrocity of bob that head. there are a lot of way better songs in the album, and songs that should be singles. but carrie let self-indulgence get in the way and released mama's song. play on didnt get the most stellar reviews, and in the minds of the casual buyer/listener, the singles are the album, and if the singles range from mediocre to ok at best, theres really not much to help the album from that part. fellow artists have biases and favorites too. i highly doubt that they dissect and analyze all the songs in the album like die-hard fans do. with all the work and touring they do, i wouldnt be surprised if the singles represented the entire album to them, and judge the album based on that. so as an artist you always want to put your best foot forward, make the best representation of your work by whatever opportunities you have. I agree with this too. All three singles released during the eligibility period were critically panned, and MS left an especially bad impression of the era due to its lack of commercial viability. Artists that release self-indulgent material of questionable quality that are DOA from a sales perspective tend to get smacked down by the music industry. I think Carrie might have slipped down the same slippery slope as Rascal Flatts, where she's releasing singles that are generally criticized for being too similar to past hits. Like the Flatts, she's also losing a two-front war to a more mainstream act that moves more units (Swift/Lady A) and a more rootsy act that projects an image that country music likes to think it is (Lambert/ZBB). Plus Carrie worked with a lot of non-Music Row writers on the album and released their cuts as singles over the Nashville buddy system, and I don't think she did flood relief charity concerts to make nice with everyone either. All that schmoozing is important when it comes to voting within the academy. But mostly it comes down to the texting. If the ACMs didn't allow the fan voting in the first place, Carrie probably wouldn't have two EotY awards, and there wouldn't be so much backlash against her by the voters who now desperately want to give other people a chance to be recognized. In any case, I hope Carrie takes it as a challenge to make better music. Step 1: Get a new A&R team that isn't obsessed with trying to recreate the SH hits and will tell you when your songwriting is not up to par.
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Post by austin on Feb 1, 2011 16:05:24 GMT -5
That's very valid. I think that because she wasn't a deserving winner the first two times and only won due to the texting and fan votes, she was left out this year to stop her, when she probably SHOULD be the winner. For anyone arguing she DID deserve the first two, I respect your opinion, but the CMAs have yet to recognize her, and that supports my claim. It is extremely odd for an artist to win ETOY at the CMAs or ACMs and not even be NOMINATED at the other. Let alone twice.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Feb 1, 2011 16:11:48 GMT -5
That's very valid. I think that because she wasn't a deserving winner the first two times and only won due to the texting and fan votes, she was left out this year to stop her, when she probably SHOULD be the winner. For anyone arguing she DID deserve the first two, I respect your opinion, but the CMAs have yet to recognize her, and that supports my claim. It is extremely odd for an artist to win ETOY at the CMAs or ACMs and not even be NOMINATED at the other. Let alone twice. I think she deserved 2008, not so much 2009 seeing as that was one of her "off" years. I don't think that's the argument though. Carrie was undoubtedly intentionally snubbed this year. That's the issue, I don't think it's fair to take her out of the running because she won the previous two years deservingly or not. It's just morally wrong. Carrie worked very hard to be the top touring Country female last year, she scored 3 more #1s and a top 2 song, a Double platinum album, etc... For the first time, the fans have a legitimate reason to be mad about this seeing that it was deliberate. It's just sickening to know that an award organization could do such a thing to someone who deserved much more...
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Feb 1, 2011 16:49:58 GMT -5
Artists that release self-indulgent material of questionable quality that are DOA from a sales perspective tend to get smacked down by the music industry. A phenomenon that seems to apply more to the genre's solo female standard-bearers than its solo male standard-bearers. Case in point: Keith Urban and Brad Paisley, who, despite diminished sales and uneven critical reception of their singles, continue to enjoy the industry's approbation uninterrupted. And it certainly didn't apply to Blake Shelton at last year's CMA Awards. I'm certainly not going to argue against the need for a more discriminating A&R process in Carrie's case. But I can't really argue against the assertion by some here that there seem to be different standards applied by the industry to different artists, either. The inconsistency is fairly obvious. Industry voters may forever play Lucy taunting Carrie's Charlie Brown with that Entertainer of the Year football and there may be nothing Carrie can ever do that makes them deign to recognize her. But Carrie shouldn't let that get in the way of making an album of as undeniable a quality as she can muster with the singles to match (if it isn't obvious, I don't think she has made that album yet, nor released the right sequence of singles). She certainly shouldn't change things up to please the whims of industry voters or critics. But to the extent that their feedback is an opportunity to evaluate herself and think about what she can do better, I hope that Carrie will learn what she can from it.
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Post by what on Feb 1, 2011 17:30:09 GMT -5
I agree with this too. All three singles released during the eligibility period were critically panned, and MS left an especially bad impression of the era due to its lack of commercial viability. Artists that release self-indulgent material of questionable quality that are DOA from a sales perspective tend to get smacked down by the music industry. I think Carrie might have slipped down the same slippery slope as Rascal Flatts, where she's releasing singles that are generally criticized for being too similar to past hits. i agree with the last line very much. it's becoming like lather, rinse and repeat. i kinda felt that way a bit in carnival ride, when last name was an obvious attempt to recreate the magic of bhc. then when she released just a dream and i told you so, i was thinking maybe not. maybe it really just so happened that last name sounded a bit similar to bhc, but maybe that was just an outlier, and carrie would release continue to release more interesting, more compelling singles like the next two that she released after last name. i forgot to put in my previous post that i feel like, PO wasn't represented well in terms of singles. it wasnt the best album that came out that year, but it wasnt the worst of the bunch as well. a smarter, more strategic choosing of singles would have made a world of difference in terms of perception of the album. because the songs, good or bad, are already there, and it wont change. but little decisions such as not releasing UI, and maybe released either SLT or TT, and not releasing MS but instead releasing SWISLY would probably have made a better impression to most audience, be it fans or just casual listeners, even though the album itself contained duds such as UI and MS. as it seems like this album is done, im still very surprised that no hilary lindsey written song will be released as a single from this album. and im still appalled that kara got two. yuck.
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Post by realityBITES on Feb 1, 2011 18:04:27 GMT -5
Very disappointed to see no EOTY nomination. She worked her ass off this year. Now I understand how some of the RF fans feel.
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Post by lunaboona on Feb 1, 2011 18:29:16 GMT -5
You know I always wonder since Carrie doesn't want to crossover to pop, why does she insist on making songs that have that pop crossover appeal? Why doesn't she make a Miranda Lambert type album then?
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Post by cufan7 on Feb 1, 2011 19:13:01 GMT -5
No Entertainer nomination? Bullshit.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Feb 1, 2011 19:22:06 GMT -5
You know I always wonder since Carrie doesn't want to crossover to pop, why does she insist on making songs that have that pop crossover appeal? Why doesn't she make a Miranda Lambert type album then? While I see what you're saying, Carrie never said she doesn't want to crossover. She has said that she has no intention of trying to, but doing so would be icing on the cake. I'm somewhat paraphrasing... Anyway, I don't think Carrie should lean towards a Miranda-esqu style as that would be "copying". I think Carrie's style is fine. I think she could stick more on the side of "I Told You So", "Look At Me", songs... Your suggestion would be compromising her style, and that's not something Carrie should do. What Carrie does fits comfortably in the Country genre. I just think she should work on creating material that is critically acclaimed, as that would help her the most in her career at this point.
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Post by misterscribbs on Feb 1, 2011 19:35:20 GMT -5
I'll agree with everyone that the singles this era were not the best and certainly didn't represent the album as a whole. I think with the singles chosen, it almost seems like a step backwards. This album screamed more, "Hey! I'm from American Idol!" even more than SH. Being from Idol isn't a bad thing really, but I don't think it's going to get her praise from critics or the voting Academy. That said, Carrie has stated that this is her most personal album, so I understand her wanting to release songs that reflect her more than some of the more critically acclaimed songs on the album. Hopefully she'll get this under her belt and head toward some better quality music. We know she's capable of it. "Oklahoma Wind" is a beautiful co-write, and she has the potential to make more songs like that with the help of more talented minds. I'm disappointed in the music this era, but I know it's not the end. I hope she realizes that if she wants these awards she's gonna have to work for it and not rely on popularity alone like I feel she's done in the past.
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Post by lyrichord on Feb 1, 2011 19:40:37 GMT -5
You know I always wonder since Carrie doesn't want to crossover to pop, why does she insist on making songs that have that pop crossover appeal? Why doesn't she make a Miranda Lambert type album then? I think her record label wants another BHC so is making her record a bunch of boy bashing anthems but isn't willing to do the work at pop radio for a crossover, which is pretty much the worst of both worlds, critically and saleswise. Record labels are notorious for trying to recapture lightning in a bottle by following the same "hit" formulas over and over again. I would have been perfectly good with UI as a single if they made a serious bid for crossover (I do think it's the catchiest song on the album), but instead it just seemed to hurt her credibility with the country critics without the benefit of additional exposure. She did sell a million singles of UI, but I don't think it helped album sales that much since CC would have collected the boy bashing lovers already. If they aren't actively pushing crossover, WCIS was AC friendly enough to generate a good amount of single sales from the pop-leaning crowd and possibly more album sales because it showed a different side of Carrie. She could have picked up people who like lovelorn/angsty ballads and still presented reasonably well-written lyrics to the critics.
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Post by vinman on Feb 1, 2011 19:41:36 GMT -5
tinyurl.com/4zwstvqCountry music star and American Idol alum Carrie Underwood paid a visit to Broadway's THE PHANTOM OF THE OPERA on January 28 with her husband, Mike Fisher. Check out the photo of Carrie with the cast below from the PHANTOM Facebook page.
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Post by lunaboona on Feb 1, 2011 23:58:02 GMT -5
I just hope that her new album will be something different but that its still reminiscent of who Carrie is.
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Post by countrygirl918 on Feb 2, 2011 0:41:22 GMT -5
I think one of the main problems with the Play On era was that she tried to make an album that appealed to everyone. It made the album feel a little disjointed, and rather than each song being like a chapter in a book (which is my way of saying tying the songs together more cohesively), it just felt like a collection of good and great songs. But that collection needed some sort of theme to cohesively tie it all together.
I hope that for her next album and tour, Carrie doesn't worry too much about pleasing everyone, and instead just focuses on making a record that pleases HER, and represents who she is as an artist.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2011 1:35:47 GMT -5
You know I always wonder since Carrie doesn't want to crossover to pop, why does she insist on making songs that have that pop crossover appeal? Why doesn't she make a Miranda Lambert type album then? I agree with this. Although Carrie has said that she wants to make country music that everyone can enjoy. So I guess that's why she goes for a more contemporary sound, rather than someone like Miranda, who is kind of old school country. But I do agree that if Carrie wants to bring more fans to country music, then she should promote some of those crossover-type songs like Cowboy Casanova and Undo It to the pop audience, since that will convert some of them to country fans and give the genre more exposure, like Before He Cheats did. And people can bash Taylor Swift all they want, but I have noticed that a lot of kids where I'm from (where country music isn't so popular) have become country fans since hearing Taylor's songs on Top 40 radio. We just got a country station here for the first time like 2 weeks ago. So before that, the biggest stations were the Top 40 ones, and when people heard Taylor, they decided to explore country music after doing their research on her.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2011 1:49:25 GMT -5
I'd rather have Carrie take her time (and a longer amount of time, tbh) and make an album that will knock the socks off of all the associations like "Revolution" for Miranda and "Fearless" for Taylor. I'm just so ticked with these snubs that I want Carrie to have another propelling year like he did back in the SH era.
If it means waiting until 2012 for a new album, then so be it. I want fantastic material from Carrie, and not stuff that's just randomly and poorly thrown together (not that she's done that thus far, but I don't want it to ever happen).
Also, I want Arista to improve on whatever the f*ck they're thinking right now, because with them ending the PO era at "Mama's Song" and ditching the immaculate "What Can I Say" and "Someday When I Stop Loving You", they better do some fixation to comply with the both Carrie and her fans' desires. Joe Galante leaving hasn't turned out all that well lately, so let's hope things can change up quickly.
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Post by desertfloods on Feb 2, 2011 2:14:55 GMT -5
But mostly it comes down to the texting. If the ACMs didn't allow the fan voting in the first place, Carrie probably wouldn't have two EotY awards, and there wouldn't be so much backlash against her by the voters who now desperately want to give other people a chance to be recognized. Ironically, I'm actually glad that the past two years have been partially fan-voted. Because based on the outright snub in CMA (and now ACM), I highly doubt the voters would ever put in a vote for her to win EOTY, especially at the CMA. And if they're not happy with the texting during the show, they should just do away with it (it's as silly as twitter voting IMO). Keep it to just website voting limited per IP address etc etc.
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Post by what on Feb 2, 2011 17:05:43 GMT -5
rather than someone like Miranda, who is kind of old school country. miranda may project old school country, but theres nothing traditional nor old school country in revolution, her most acclaimed work yet.
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Post by dbt on Feb 2, 2011 17:29:49 GMT -5
I love Carrie but her decision making flopped when she put Mama's Song on the album instead of Oklahoma Wind. Imagine if OW had been released as the single instead... that would have been huge.
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Post by justlurkingaround on Feb 2, 2011 19:22:55 GMT -5
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Post by freeman on Feb 2, 2011 19:29:19 GMT -5
^Wow, I hope that reporter is wrong...That is a really really crappy move by her label if true! I hope this doesn't turn into a label feud thing.
On another note, I just re watched Carrie's How I met Your Mother episode, and I forgot how good she was in it! I'm really excited to see her performance in Soul Surfer now!
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Post by Cody Wants Out... on Feb 2, 2011 20:02:28 GMT -5
omg, I listen to that radio station; I haven't today, but when I have time it's one I go to. I could believe this, but I don't. and... [begin random rant] yes, I am incredibly upset that this era had to end with (imo) the weakest song on the album; I was getting ready to hear SWISLY. Oh well, I'll make it a single on my personal chart :) . I may have stated this before but when I first heard that MS was going to be a single, I first thought "you're kiddin' me right?". Later when I realized it was true, I began to, and still do, think that this was all Carrie's decision and didn't discuss with the label about it at all. Then again, that's just my thinking. Since they ended PO with that song, I'm starting to think about hanging up my fan card, although I'm in mad love with her vocals and material. I have a fear we'll get BHC part 5, JTTW part 4, and DFTRM part 4. For once, just once, I would love for a happy, non-boy-bashing upbeat song to be the lead single, or at least a single. Grrrr... don't really know what else to type here. [/end random rant] Proceed. ;)
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Post by fischbone on Feb 2, 2011 20:58:26 GMT -5
^ This is why I was hoping to see This Time released. It doesn't fall into a been there done that song. However, she really hasn't released a song like SWISLY either.....
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Post by freeman on Feb 2, 2011 21:18:16 GMT -5
I never understood why everyone called many of Carrie's singles just copies of Some Hearts songs. I disagree with that. I think Last Name sounds so different from Before He Cheats. Heck even the themes of the songs are different. And just because a song is a boy bashing song doesn't mean it is a copy of BHC... I think Carrie has a good diversity of singles. I would like to see her explore more in her music, but I love what she has done so far.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Feb 2, 2011 21:26:15 GMT -5
What female artist on this planet doesn't continually or periodically release boy-bashing songs? It's like one of the main themes of all female radio hits! If it's not about bashing men, it's loving them...
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Post by vinman on Feb 2, 2011 21:35:13 GMT -5
The song PLAY ON is so fitting for the end of idol voting off episodes. Hoping AI shows more Carrie love again.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2011 21:55:22 GMT -5
I never understood why everyone called many of Carrie's singles just copies of Some Hearts songs. I disagree with that. I think Last Name sounds so different from Before He Cheats. Heck even the themes of the songs are different. And just because a song is a boy bashing song doesn't mean it is a copy of BHC... I think Carrie has a good diversity of singles. I would like to see her explore more in her music, but I love what she has done so far. I agree. Recently, I really started thinking about why people (including myself) have compared Last Name to BHC in the past. The songs have a completely different theme. I definitely want her to explore other avenues for the next album though.
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Post by jptexas on Feb 2, 2011 23:10:42 GMT -5
Well, that explains alot.
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Post by boomer187 on Feb 3, 2011 0:22:40 GMT -5
Jimmy Carter tells all about it on his podcast!! This stinks!!
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