Kelly Clarkson - "Stronger" - Oct. 24

[TellMeALie]

Jul 20, 2011 10:22:27 GMT -5 ƒreakshow said:

I can't decide which post I like more?

Jul 20, 2011 2:07:13 GMT -5 clarksodi said:

Umm, yeah, we all know there are 3 versions. Known for years. The one that leaked is the second version. You know, the one after the first and before the third. That version leaked.

LMFAO. You are amazing, you slay Kalpal with every post you make.

Jul 20, 2011 9:09:27 GMT -5 Ace said:

Kelly fans are lucky to have someone like freakshow....one of the most knowledgeable stans I've ever encountered.

You are too kind.

Nobody is slayed by that mindless nonsense

[wallace]

Jul 20, 2011 16:58:41 GMT -5 @cynthiarose said:

It also wouldn't surprise me because on RCA's part this is *gasp* actually a smart move; they get the maximum amount of new albums from her and then when she leaves they can (and probably will) release a greatest hits and maybe some dvd compilation. Depending on who owns the masters they may even get wise and cobble together a collection of unreleased songs, if not include some on the aforementioned GH. And we're Kelly fans so we will (begrudgingly, but predictably quickly) hand over the money for the DVD and unreleased stuff.

I assume that is also a possibility. Labels have done that sort of thing in the past, keep releasing new compliations of stuff after the artist has gone off to another label. Believe that was done when the Rolling Stones switched labels, or when Frank Sinatra did.

ETA:

122 199 KELLY CLARKSON Let Me Down 8 27 -19 0.009

It was fun while it lasted.

[franklin]

Getaway is orgasmic.

[bigb0882]

I don't feel the Getaway love, at all. I like radio friendly Kelly. I know, that makes a horrible fan who just doesn't love Kelly's artistic side but I like that side of her too, just not as much. This is very odd and hard to get into but I could see it growing on me. It has such a different sound that it is jarring on first listen.

[arti87]

and now she posted on her tumblr called "3 A.M". It's a clip

[ƒreakshow]

WEIRD. That's Go, but with different lyrics.

[arti87]

what do you mean?

[face]

LOL yeah the 3 A.M. clip sounds just like Go. Reminds me of how MJ's Thriller was originally "Starlight" www.youtube.com/watch?v=onf21AkSNIY

[dbhmr]

Jul 20, 2011 19:32:49 GMT -5 ƒreakshow said:

WEIRD. That's Go, but with different lyrics.

That is weird. I don't...get it haha. I guess if she had the rights to the song and liked the music/melody, she could have wanted to come up with something that wasn't tied to Ford.

[arti87]

:| it sounds exactly like 3 am

[ƒreakshow]

Jul 20, 2011 19:37:45 GMT -5 dbhmr said:

Jul 20, 2011 19:32:49 GMT -5 ƒreakshow said:

WEIRD. That's Go, but with different lyrics.

That is weird. I don't...get it haha. I guess if she had the rights to the song and liked the music/melody, she could have wanted to come up with something that wasn't tied to Ford.

I remember when Kelly would perform Go live, she would sing parts of it with different lyrics, but it wasn't this different. I don't know the whole story of how Go came into being, maybe a fan with a longer history of following Kelly knows. Sandy?

Jul 20, 2011 19:38:46 GMT -5 arti87 said:

:| it sounds exactly like 3 am

The melody is the same as the Kelly song, Go.

[Hook]

Jul 20, 2011 19:37:45 GMT -5 dbhmr said:

Jul 20, 2011 19:32:49 GMT -5 ƒreakshow said:

WEIRD. That's Go, but with different lyrics.

That is weird. I don't...get it haha. I guess if she had the rights to the song and liked the music/melody, she could have wanted to come up with something that wasn't tied to Ford.

My guess would be that 3 A.M. came first. Maybe she signed on to do something for Ford, and instead of doing a totally new song, she just re-wrote the lyrics of a leftover track. Just guessing though. I kind of doubt she'd take a promotional song and turn it into something else.

[beach1]

Finally listening to most of the leaks right now. I really don't like the lyrics for D+D=You, which is too bad, cause musically it's one of the leaks that I like the most. My favorites are What Doesn't Kill You, Breaking Your Own Heart, and Tell Me A Lie so far. I'm also loving Don't (love the light, acoustic guitar arrangement.)

[clarksodi]

Jul 20, 2011 19:25:16 GMT -5 bigb0882 said:

I don't feel the Getaway love, at all. I like radio friendly Kelly. I know, that makes a horrible fan who just doesn't love Kelly's artistic side but I like that side of her too, just not as much. This is very odd and hard to get into but I could see it growing on me. It has such a different sound that it is jarring on first listen.

I don't think it makes you a bad fan. It is absolutely natural to prefer something that has really strong melodies, hooks, and a great production. They don't call it "ear candy" for no reason.

[kelly4prez]

There's another leak called Touch Me. I only heard a clip though. It goes,

"It must be hard being you. Yeah, you’ve really got it rough, don’t you? Will you pull your head out of your ass and listen to me? Would you stop running your mouth and try something new? Is it too much to ask for?"

Interesting!

[arti87]

I was just gonna say that..she posted that on her tumblr

[Illusions]

That's Too Much, a My December reject.

[kelly4prez]

Oh my god, I don't even know why I read that as "Touch Me". Oops, my bad! Sorry!

[beach1]

Ooo, I'm loving I Forgive You now too!

[kmbgs]

I wanna hear Getaway, it sounds like something I'd go crazy over!

[bigb0882]

A lot of the new leaks are on Youtube. *hinthint* RCA doesn't seem too worried about pulling them quickly, probably because they are all from past albums and they have no plans of ever using them.

[Deleted]

Okay, Getaway is fabulous. I love it to pieces.

[neally]

Wow, what songs have leaked now ? I miss a day and I miss a LOT !

On a funny note:

Vulture’s Guide to Writing Your Own Kelly Clarkson Song

Clarkson, doing what she does best.

Last week, three new Kelly Clarkson songs — perhaps off her much-delayed fifth album, though an official tracklist has yet to be released — made their way online, much to the delight of the Kelly-starved masses. "What Doesn't Kill You Makes You Stronger," "I Forgive You," and "Dumb + Dumb = You" have since been pulled from the Internet, but this particular Vulture correspondent managed to catch a few listens, and the good news is: Kelly is still Kelly. As you probably could have guessed from the titles alone, the leaked songs stick to her tried-and-true formula: a hurtful ex or parent, an unforgiving (but ultimately happier) narrator, some nonspecific lyrics, and a killer, belt-it-at-the-top-of-your-lungs chorus. If it ain't broke, etc. But sadly, the songs are now gone and the new album isn't due until the fall, so we, the Kelly fans of the world, find ourselves without a new angst anthem for the summer months. To ease this pain, Vulture has devised a handy guide for writing your own Clarkson song; mix and match any of the choices below, and then sing away like Kelly taught you. (Pro-tip: Unless you are actually Kelly Clarkson, keep the singing to the privacy of your bedroom or car.)

Select the mood of this song.
1. Angry-shouty (Like: "Since U Been Gone," "Behind These Hazel Eyes," "Because of You," "Dumb + Dumb = You")
2. Dancey-shouty (Like: "Miss Independent," "I Do Not Hook Up," "What Doesn't Kill You Makes You Stronger," "Breakaway").

Decide who you want to address in this song, so you can imagine them while you're singing.
1. An ex who treated her cruelly and then dumped her, allowing her to achieve inner peace and demonstrable career/life success.
2. Someone from her adolescence, who disappointed her with a lack of emotional accountability and a fundamental misunderstanding of her hopes and dreams.

Settle on a traumatic event:
1. "Finally struck out on my own"
2. "Sat at the kitchen table alone"
3. "Found those pictures on your phone"
4. "Tried to leave the Friendship zone"

Insert said event into the following verse:
1. "And how could I have ever known
when I______________
that you wouldn't throw this dog a bone
you didn't care, you were never there
but now..."
2. "And how could I have ever known
when I___________
That it'd all turn out fine
That the last laugh would be mine
Like Oprah says:
I'm living my best liiiiiife


Now pick a common English phrase to be sung repeatedly as the chorus:
1. All Grown Up Now
2. I'm Not Having It
3. Karma's a Bitch
4. That Was Then (This Is Now)

Pick a high note to belt at the end:
1. C5
2. D5
3. E5 (really go for it)


Make up a tune (really, any tune — unless you're Kelly, your belting will really all sound the same anyway) and rock out.

nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2011/07/build_your_own_kelly_clarkson.html

[clarksonnumber1]

What are the three worst decisions RCA has made regarding Kelly's career? Mine would be:
1.Not releasing Addicted:I would even say one of the worst decisions any record label has ever made.
2.Not releasing You Can't Win:Obviously just a guess, but I don't think it's the kind of song RCA likes. At this point, I'd be surprised if it makes the album.
3.Releasing The Trouble With Love Is:Low didn't perform all that well so I think You Thought Wrong was the obvious choice for the next single. I prefer The Trouble With Love Is over You Thought Wrong as a song but you knew it wouldn't perform well on the charts.

[kylecburke]

DYWS might be done on HotAC peaking at #10..however its still gaining on AC at #8 and with alot of songs falling, I'd Love to see this go to #5 at least

[wallace]

Jul 21, 2011 9:27:19 GMT -5 clarksonnumber1 said:

What are the three worst decisions RCA has made regarding Kelly's career? Mine would be:
1.Not releasing Addicted:I would even say one of the worst decisions any record label has ever made.
2.Not releasing You Can't Win:Obviously just a guess, but I don't think it's the kind of song RCA likes. At this point, I'd be surprised if it makes the album.
3.Releasing The Trouble With Love Is:Low didn't perform all that well so I think You Thought Wrong was the obvious choice for the next single. I prefer The Trouble With Love Is over You Thought Wrong as a song but you knew it wouldn't perform well on the charts.

Worst decision by far was opening fire in public on My December, which suppressed sales and buzz. Whether or not you think Kelly should have been a better corporate soldier during the MD era, you expect the corporate suits to do a better job of avoiding throwing a public snit in the press. Problem undoubtedly was RCA folks, esp. Clive, who thought the album would disappoint commercially and wanted to shift blame for that to Kelly.

The lengthy delays on this album also look, right now, like a terrible mistake, both by keeping Kelly off radio and out of public sight and by letting the album sit so long that all these leaks came out in the interim. I only hope the label doesn't compound that by
delaying even further, ditching good songs just because they leaked, or under-promoting the album.
Failure to release any sort of live album or DVD by now is a major screwup.

I also thought the end of the AIEW era was badly mishandled. RCA waited too long to launch the fourth single, there were no promotional appearances and yet they picked a single that really needed live promotion.

Single selection for My December is also debatable, but we've had that debate here too many times already.

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Jul 21, 2011 9:27:19 GMT -5 clarksonnumber1 said:

What are the three worst decisions RCA has made regarding Kelly's career?

1. Publicly dissing My December
2. Not promoting anything from MD past Never Again
3. Releasing Already Gone

My reasoning for these: I vouch for Kelly's right to have artistic choices all the time, BUT with that in mind it shouldn't be an either-artist-control-or-pop-success situation; I am still pretty convinced that if both RCA and Kelly had kept their internal battles behind the scenes, My December could have performed better and she could have had both to a degree. I liked the way IDJ handled the Rated R era and I wish RCA had done the same for MD. Instead they left her having to play the comeback card in a major way for AIEW and that's not a position any pop singer with three albums left in her contract wants to be in.

Even though AG performed well enough, releasing it after Halo had been released first and already smashed was simply not a good look and especially not for an artist whose label is trying to bring her back to pop reigning status. I suppose it's all of Halo's success which made this the most frustrating mistake of all to me - as a fan you root for your fave to (re)attain a high level of acclaim and Cry or Save you could have been the song to do that for her. I get the feeling that RCA foolishly thought "well if Halo can do it, then this song that sounds almost exactly like it will do it too! Yeah! Let's go with that!" It's not like Cry or Save You were these huge risks; both were safe, yet strong enough that they could have done more for her. There's no way AG would have been able to overcome the 'clone' stigma to do this, no matter how great of a song it is. It really makes me question what RCA is smoking because they don't realize when they hurt Kelly, they hurt themselves, too.

I don't even know what the hell is going on with era 5 so while there are definitely big mistakes that have been made I don't know if they're on the level of the three I listed yet (which IMO are serious wound-inflicting mistakes on Kelly's career). If Kelly's new album ends up doing well then all the pushing back and leaks will not look like such a huge blunder as they do right now.

As to your three:

1.Not releasing Addicted:I would even say one of the worst decisions any record label has ever made.

Addicted would have been the perfect final single to lead into MD, but Breakaway was such a flawless era as it was that I'd say the choice to not release another song isn't a huge blunder. That era was pretty fail-proof, in retrospect.

2.Not releasing You Can't Win:Obviously just a guess, but I don't think it's the kind of song RCA likes. At this point, I'd be surprised if it makes the album.

We have no idea what is going on the album so it's too soon to say it won't be there or that it's a mistake if it's not. If they do scrap it, it might be because it was a leak...really no way we'll ever know why anything got left off or kept at this point since so much unfinished material has gotten out and resulted in pushbacks.

3.Releasing The Trouble With Love Is:Low didn't perform all that well so I think You Thought Wrong was the obvious choice for the next single. I prefer The Trouble With Love Is over You Thought Wrong as a song but you knew it wouldn't perform well on the charts.

This was a blunder, but TTWLI was the lead single off a movie soundtrack (Love Actually, I believe)...I remember the movie being advertised fairly heavily before its release. I presume the choice as a single was to tie it into that and mutually capitalize on the promo; unfortunately Love Actually only had a so-so performance so that plan didn't really work out so much.

The other thing that hurt TTWLI is Clear Channel being butthurt that Kelly/19 chose another company to back the Independent Tour, so they basically pulled the plug on the song's airplay. (The same thing happened with Britney during her self-titled era.) I've seen a few people comment before on how TTWLI was actually doing pretty good up to a point and then suddenly free-falling into oblivion. I've also heard, but never seen confirmed, that Kelly herself pushed for YTW and JMTT to be singles and that the label said they could be singles after Low and TTWLI, but when both of those flopped the label stopped promoting the album.

[Peaches. [Ch, r. is]]

Jul 21, 2011 9:27:19 GMT -5 clarksonnumber1 said:

What are the three worst decisions RCA has made regarding Kelly's career? Mine would be:
1.Not releasing Addicted:I would even say one of the worst decisions any record label has ever made.
2.Not releasing You Can't Win:Obviously just a guess, but I don't think it's the kind of song RCA likes. At this point, I'd be surprised if it makes the album.
3.Releasing The Trouble With Love Is:Low didn't perform all that well so I think You Thought Wrong was the obvious choice for the next single. I prefer The Trouble With Love Is over You Thought Wrong as a song but you knew it wouldn't perform well on the charts.

LOL none of these are career damaging decisions. The entire My December fiasco is.

[Jay]

I think there are so many missed opportunities in Kelly's career that it would be painful for me to list them. I'll just stick with saying that there's a lot.

p.s.: cynthiarose, I don't know what I would do without your presence in this thread. You're by far one of the best here! :)

p.p.s.: I heard the dance remix of "Since U Been Gone" on Z100 yesterday. They must be getting ready for some new Kelly music!

[dbhmr]

Totally agree with Cynthia. The MD era is RCA's poorest showing with regards to Kelly. Rated R is a great example era. I'm sure IDJ wasn't thrilled that Rihanna wanted to go dark, personal, and gritty following the GGGB era, but they supported her and when the first single underperformed, they kept pushing. Equally important, everyone respected Rihanna for putting out an album like that because it lined up with her life (of course, she had a much more poignant "reason" to that's easier for the public to understand than a pop star not wanting to be the biggest star on the planet). If RCA supported Kelly and went to the press with "Kelly already achieved monumental success, but she doesn't want to rest on her laurels. She's pushing herself artistically, and that's what makes her such a great pop star, and what makes this record such a success" rather than "There aren't any hits, she's calling all the shots and on her own," I think it's something the public would have been more ready to embrace.

It's hard to imagine how her fourth album would have gone if MD had gone better, but neither RCA nor Kelly would have been in the same position. RCA handled AIEW really well up until the album leaked. They should have moved the release date up (who knows, maybe they couldn't?). I didn't see IDNHU not connecting, and I know a lot of people here and elsewhere were good with that release until it wasn't a smash. But I agree with Cynthia--they should have scrapped AG, as painful as that would be. Save the Tedder single for IICHY, which would have stood stronger on its own as a fourth single than AIEW.

Sigh. Whatever. I'm over all this and just want the fucking album already.