Billboard Hot 100 - 12/04/10

[felipe]

Nov 21, 2010 15:14:14 GMT -5 $uperb@tDuDe said:

Nov 21, 2010 14:20:34 GMT -5 Kylie4Ever said:

You're right. no one prevents the others from selling for 99c but obviously Rihanna'a team are the desperate ones. I am sure the other contestants would like to be #1 too but they choose to not cheat. :) Dropping the song price 4 days before the end of the week and begging young fans on Facebook to buy the song AGAIN is ridiculous! I am a fan of Rihanna's song but what her team is doing is so wrong! :) The good news, I think we all know what's gonna be #1 next week! :)

It's not cheating if everyone is capable of reducing prices. Pink's camp could've done the same. The music charts are a game, Rihanna's camp came to play.

If they reduced the price to 10 cents would you say it's cheating?

[Deleted]

There still has to be interest in buying it

[felipe]

Nov 21, 2010 18:22:23 GMT -5 slw84 said:

Is the percentage currently 50/50? If so, that is as fair as it gets.

Not at all. The digital sales/airplay ratio is actually 1000 to 1.

[felipe]

Nov 22, 2010 15:08:13 GMT -5 @2m said:

There still has to be interest in buying it

That's right. But if one is interested in buying a $1,29 song and another one that's just, say, 50 cents, one is most likely to buy the latter, not because they like it better, just because it's cheaper. But thsese charts should be about the songs that are more popular/people like better, not the ones people just bought because of the low price.

[badrobot]

The Hot 100 is as fair as it has ever been. Sales and airplay are remarkably scientific.

Short of brain implants there's not much more they can do to determine popularity.

[felipe]

Nov 22, 2010 16:17:07 GMT -5 badrobot said:

The Hot 100 is as fair as it has ever been. Sales and airplay are remarkably scientific.

What's scientific about the digital sales/airplay ratio being 1000 to 1?

[badrobot]

BDS tracks airplay based on number of plays, time of day, size of station reach, and formulates scientific estimates of the number of times a song is heard.

Soundscan tracks the exact number of times a song is sold.

Billboard works out a ratio where sales and airplay have roughly equal input into the formulation of the Hot 100.

Your argument that 1 sale should only be equal to 1 time a song is heard is ridiculous. You can buy a song and listen to it hundreds of times. Conversely you could hear a song on the radio 100s of times that you hate. Purchase shows a clear interest that is much more involved than hearing something in the dentist waiting room.

Some people never buy music.

Some people never listen to the radio (I don't, ever, for example).

They are juggling a ton of potential inputs and mindsets and using raw hard numbers to come up with a list.

[HolidayGuy]

Yes, interest does have to exist. Because, - even at a penny, I wouldn't pay for a lot of tracks out there. Price discounts is part of the marketing, as discussed. Some labels/acts care more about the charts than others.

[Deleted]

Zactly. "Pretty Girl Rock" was free on iTunes up until recently and I sure as hell didn't download that jawn.

[Adonis the DemiGod!]

I guess regular mediabase updates are a thing of the past.

[Deleted]

Nov 22, 2010 17:22:34 GMT -5 HolidayGuy said:

Yes, interest does have to exist. Because, - even at a penny, I wouldn't pay for a lot of tracks out there. Price discounts is part of the marketing, as discussed. Some labels/acts care more about the charts than others.

Yes, just becuase it is discounted doesn't mean I am buying it

Example, I pass on a majority of the free stuff that itunes has and don't mindlessly download just because of the price

[$uperb@tDuDe]

Mariah is being cheated here since they don't count half of her #1's from the early 90's. I'd assume Madonna and Janet are being slighted as well.

[lugus15]

What happened to the Mediabase updates????

[HolidayGuy]

superbat, Billboard does note that it's just for the 18-year run of Top 40/mainstream (now known as Pop Songs). That's why I posted the No. 1s list for the CHR/Pop chart on the prior page. (now updated with Alanis Morrissette, BTW).

[$uperb@tDuDe]

Nov 22, 2010 15:06:23 GMT -5 felipe said:

Nov 21, 2010 15:14:14 GMT -5 $uperb@tDuDe said:

It's not cheating if everyone is capable of reducing prices. Pink's camp could've done the same. The music charts are a game, Rihanna's camp came to play.

If they reduced the price to 10 cents would you say it's cheating?

I'd say yes, but we're only talking about .99 here.

[Adonis the DemiGod!]

songs hit #1 because people want to buy them. Hell even legal free downloads have trouble getting as many downloads as paid ones.

[slw84]

Nov 18, 2010 20:24:50 GMT -5 Fat Ass Kelly Price said:

Rihanna can't perform. Stiff. Mediocre vocal. Boring. That's usually the case.

Pink, on the other hand, is usually good live. I'm not understanding this comparison, though.

I love Riri but you are right...her stans are referencing videos from this era as if she has done an amazing job. By Riri's standards it is okay but still not noteworthy.

It's like me saying Britney slayed her performances during the Circus era (with her excessing arm flailing ) in comparison to her VMAs 2007 flop...she could only go up from there...

[felipe]

Nov 22, 2010 16:43:53 GMT -5 badrobot said:

BDS tracks airplay based on number of plays, time of day, size of station reach, and formulates scientific estimates of the number of times a song is heard.

Soundscan tracks the exact number of times a song is sold.

Billboard works out a ratio where sales and airplay have roughly equal input into the formulation of the Hot 100.

Your argument that 1 sale should only be equal to 1 time a song is heard is ridiculous. You can buy a song and listen to it hundreds of times. Conversely you could hear a song on the radio 100s of times that you hate. Purchase shows a clear interest that is much more involved than hearing something in the dentist waiting room.

Some people never buy music.

Some people never listen to the radio (I don't, ever, for example).

They are juggling a ton of potential inputs and mindsets and using raw hard numbers to come up with a list.

Yeah, but when you use the word "scientific" I understand there some science behind the 1000 to 1 ratio, but what is it? Why not 2000 to 1? Why not 500 to 1? What's the science behind those numbers, since you claim to know it?

[NeRD]

*sighs*

ATRL

TOP 20:

1. BRUNO MARS - Just The Way You Are: 132.569 (- 0.566)
2. RIHANNA - Only Girl (In The World): 118.543 (+ 0.516)
3. NELLY - Just A Dream: 107.211 (- 0.551)
4. FAR EAST MOVEMENT - Like A G6 f/Cataracs & Dev: 99.655 (- 0.923)
5. USHER F/PITBULL - DJ Got Us Fallinf In Love: 95.708 (- 1.111)
6. PINK - Raise Your Glass: 87.659 (+ 0.469)
7. TREY SONGZ - Bottoms Up f/Nick Minaj: 84.398 (- 0.401)
8. KATY PERRY - Teenage Dream: 80.233 (- 1.251)
9. NEON TREES - Animal: 78.421 (- 0.940)
10. TAIO CRUZ - Dynamite: 78.240 (- 0.025)
11. RIHANNA - What's My Name? f/Drake: 70.055 (+ 1.712)
12. CHRIS BROWN - Deuces f/Tyga & Kevin McCall: 58.358 (- 0.617)
13. KATY PERRY - Firework: 53.105 (+ 1.452) £
14. BRAD PAISLEY - Anything Like Me: 52.651 (- 0.318)
15. ENRIQUE IGLESIAS - I Like It f/Pitbull: 51.087 (- 0.348) £
16. ZAC BROWN BAND/A. JACKSON - As She's...: 50.932 (- 0.645)
17. TAYLOR SWIFT - Mine: 50.705 (- 2.655) ¥
18. KE$HA - We R Who We R: 50.645 (+ 1.256) £
19. FLO RIDA - Club Can't Handle Me f/DGuetta: 50.317 (- 0.267)
20. LIL WAYNE - Right Above It f/Drake: 49.953 (- 0.667) ¥

OTHERS:

TREY SONGZ - Can't Be Friends: 49.697 (+ 0.887)
MIKE POSNER - Please Don't Go: 48.525 (+ 0.538)
THE BAND PERRY - If I Die Young: 46.663 (+ 0.406)
WAKA FLOCKA FLAME - No Hands f/Roscoe Dash & Wale: 46.450 (+ 0.422)
RASCAL FLATTS - Why Wait: 45.765 (+ 0.509)
RICK ROSS - Aston Martin Music f/Drake: 44.891 (- 0.157)
RODNEY ATKINS - Farmer's Daughter: 44.404 (- 0.325)
WILLOW - Whip My Hair: 42.320 (+ 0.491)
REBA - Turn On The Radio: 40.967 (+ 0.247)
NICKI MINAJ - Right Thru Me: 40.810 (+ 0.690)
ONEREPUBLIC - Secrets: 39.755 (- 0.315)
BRUNO MARS - Grenade: 35.921 (+ 2.171)
CARRIE UNDERWOOD - Mama's Song: 34.692 (+ 0.601)
SARA BAREILLES - King Of Anything: 33.808 (- 0.186)
EDWARD MAYA - Stereo Love: 33.103 (+ 0.667)
MIRANDA LAMBERT - Only Prettier: 30.451 (+ 0.595)
KEITH URBAN - Put You In A Song: 29.929 (+ 0.361)
DAVID GUETTA - Memories f/Kid Cudi: 27.528 (+ 0.686)
LLOYD - Lay It Down: 26.825 (+ 0.416)
EMINEM - No Love f/Lil'Wayne: 24.508 (- 0.229)
CHRIS BROWN - Yeah 3x: 21.321 (+ 0.780)
BLACK EYED PEAS - The Time (The Dirty Bit): 21.206 (+ 0.623)
LADY ANTEBELLUM - Hello World: 19.916 (+ 0.343)

EXTRAS:

KANYE WEST - Runaway f/Pusha T: 19.815 (+ 0.268)

PITBULL - Hey Baby (Drop It To The...: 19.269 (+ 0.386)

LIFEHOUSE - All In: 19.187 (- 0.035)

PLAIN WHITE T'S - Rhythm Of Love: 18.598 (+ 0.320)

MARIAH CAREY - All I Want For Christmas Is...: 18.507 (+ 3.044)

JESSE MCCARTNEY - Shake: 16.683 (+ 0.105)

LINKIN PARK - Waiting For The End: 13.069 (+ 0.323)

MAROON 5 - Give A Little More: 12.109 (+ 0.009)

ENRIQUE IGLESIAS - Tonight f/Ludacris: 11.092 (+ 0.885)

MICHAEL JACKSON - Hold My Hand (Duet With Akon): 10.886 (- 4.017)

MUMFORD & SONS - Little Lion Man: 10.537 (- 0.013)

CHRISTINA PERRI - Jar Of Hearts: 9.913 (- 0.027)

KINGS OF LEON - Radioactive: 9.462 (- 0.071)

TAYLOR SWIFT - Back To December: 9.210 (+ 0.934)

KERI HILSON - Pretty Girl Rock 7.596 (+ 0.159)

FLORENCE + THE MACHINE - Dog Days Are Over: 6.018 (- 0.079)

JASON ALDEAN/KELLY CLARKSON - Don't You Wanna Stay: 3.498 (+ 0.375)

DAVID GUETTA - Who's That Chick f/Rihanna: 3.187 (+ 0.194)

CIARA - Gimmie Dat: 2.892 (+ 0.124)

BRANDON FLOWERS - Only The Young: 0.026 (+ 0.001)

THE SCRIPT - For The First Time: 5.376

TAIO CRUZ - Higher: 2.563

MARIAH CAREY - Oh Santa: 1.321

DUCK SAUCE - Barbra Streisand: 0.157

LADY ANTEBELLUM - All I Want For Christmas Is...: 0.147

TAYLOR SWIFT - Sparks Fly: 0.084

CHRISTINA AGUILERA - Express: 0

JUSTIN BIEBER - Pray: (-)

[KeepDeanWeird]

Wow at drop from MJ. Assuming some of that is UAC switching over to Xmas combined with curiosity factor spins.

[musicissalvation]

Nov 23, 2010 9:06:42 GMT -5 NeRD said:

RIHANNA - Only Girl (In The World): 118.543 (+ 0.516)
RIHANNA - What's My Name? f/Drake: 70.055 (+ 1.712)
DAVID GUETTA - Who's That Chick f/Rihanna: 3.187 (+ 0.194)

[popstop]

Wow, I guess the Michael Jackson song is over already. Wonder how much further Duck Sauce will go.

[HolidayGuy]

Mimi's 'All I Want For Christmas..." storming up the airplay list. And lady A's cover is getting a little bit of play, too.

I don't care if RCA didn't work a single from Burlesque- the fact that "Express" has NO audience is telling. I'm sure RCA demanded that radio not play any of the songs, as exposure may hurt the movie.

[popstop]

Will the chart still come out on Thursday, despite the holiday?

[colson]

Nov 23, 2010 9:41:06 GMT -5 HolidayGuy said:

Mimi's 'All I Want For Christmas..." storming up the airplay list. And lady A's cover is getting a little bit of play, too.

I don't care if RCA didn't work a single from Burlesque- the fact that "Express" has NO audience is telling. I'm sure RCA demanded that radio not play any of the songs, as exposure may hurt the movie.

Is 'Express' the official lead radio single? Maybe they are trying to push several songs right now and see what happens.

[badrobot]

Nov 23, 2010 8:47:34 GMT -5 felipe said:

Nov 22, 2010 16:43:53 GMT -5 badrobot said:

BDS tracks airplay based on number of plays, time of day, size of station reach, and formulates scientific estimates of the number of times a song is heard.

Soundscan tracks the exact number of times a song is sold.

Billboard works out a ratio where sales and airplay have roughly equal input into the formulation of the Hot 100.

Your argument that 1 sale should only be equal to 1 time a song is heard is ridiculous. You can buy a song and listen to it hundreds of times. Conversely you could hear a song on the radio 100s of times that you hate. Purchase shows a clear interest that is much more involved than hearing something in the dentist waiting room.

Some people never buy music.

Some people never listen to the radio (I don't, ever, for example).

They are juggling a ton of potential inputs and mindsets and using raw hard numbers to come up with a list.

Yeah, but when you use the word "scientific" I understand there some science behind the 1000 to 1 ratio, but what is it? Why not 2000 to 1? Why not 500 to 1? What's the science behind those numbers, since you claim to know it?

The "science" is that the ratio allows sales and airplay to have roughly equal weight.

Not sure what you think science means here, or what answer you're looking for? Obviously it's impossible to know an exact measurement of something as intangible as "popularity" but BB has spent decades honing this ratio even as the market has changed numerous times.

[Fresh]

Pop Songs
*** No. 1 *** "Only Girl (In The World)" Rihanna
Greatest Gainer No. 19 "The Time (Dirty Bit)" The Black Eyed Peas
Debut No. 29 "Yeah 3X" Chris Brown
Debut No. 35 "Tonight" Enrique Iglesias Featuring Ludacris
Debut No. 36 "Hey Baby (Drop It To The Floor)" Pitbull Featuring T-Pain
Debut No. 37 "We No Speak Americano" Yolanda Be Cool & Dcup
Debut No. 38 "Give A Little More" Maroon 5


Adult Contemporary
*** No. 1 *** "Breakeven" The Script
Debut No. 29 "Dynamite" Taio Cruz
Greatest Gainer "Oh Santa!" Mariah Carey


Holiday Songs
*** No. 1 *** "All I Want For Christmas Is You" Mariah Carey
Greatest Gainer No. 4 "It's The Most Wonderful Time Of The Year" Andy Williams


Adult Pop Songs
*** No. 1 *** "Just The Way You Are" Bruno Mars
Greatest Gainer No. 5 "Raise Your Glass" P!nk
Debut No. 36 "Please Don't Go" Mike Posner
Debut No. 37 "Love Like Woe" The Ready Set
Debut No. 38 "Little Lion Man" Mumford & Sons
Debut No. 40 "Notbroken" Goo Goo Dolls


Dance Club/Play Songs
*** No. 1 *** "Peacock" Katy Perry
Greatest Gainer No. 3 "Barbra Streisand" Duck Sauce
Hot Shot Debut No. 39 "Last Days Of Disco" Robbie Williams
Debut No. 44 "Rock Tonight" J786
Debut No. 50 "The Time (Dirty Bit)" The Black Eyed Peas


Rap Songs
*** No. 1 *** "Right Above It" Lil Wayne Featuring Drake
Debut/Greatest Gainer No. 20 "Kush" Dr. Dre Featuring Snoop Dogg & Akon
Debut No. 24 "Bitch" E-40 Featuring Too $hort


Rock Songs
*** No. 1 *** "Tighten Up" The Black Keys
Hot Shot Debut/Greatest Gainer No. 32 "Shake Me Down" Cage The Elephant
Debut No. 37 "Machine Gun Blues" Social Distortion
Debut No. 45 "Dead" Buckcherry
Debut No. 46 "New Low" Middle Class Rut
Debut No. 48 "Awake And Alive" Skillet
Debut No. 50 "You've Seen The Butcher" Deftones


Alternative Songs
*** No. 1 *** "Tighten Up" The Black Keys
Debut/Greatest Gainer No. 22 "Shake Me Down" Cage The Elephant


Country Songs
*** No. 1 *** "Anything Like Me" Brad Paisley
Greatest Gainer No. 26 "Back To December" Taylor Swift
Hot Shot Debut No. 47 "Little Miss" Sugarland
Debut No. 52 "This Is Country Music" Brad Paisley
Debut No. 55 "Coal Miner's Daughter" Loretta Lynn, Sheryl Crow and Miranda Lambert
Debut No. 60 "Best Song Ever" Katie Armiger


Jazz Songs
*** No. 1 *** "That's Life" Brian Culbertson Featuring Earl Klugh
Greatest Gainer No. 4 "Let It Shine" Tim Bowman
Debut No. 24 "Get Right" Mindi Abair
Debut No. 26 "Wolfgang 40" Marc Antoine
Debut No. 27 "Tale Of Two Cities" Darren Rahn


Latin Songs
*** No. 1 *** "Danza Kuduro" Don Omar & Lucenzo
Greatest Gainer No. 5 "Bon, Bon" Pitbull
Hot Shot Debut No. 44 "Only Girl (In The World)" Rihanna
Debut No. 46 "Quien Te Quiere Como Yo" Carlos Baute


Regional Mexican Songs
*** No. 1 *** "Nina De Mi Corazon" La Arrolladora Banda el Limon
Debut/Greatest Gainer No. 30 "Robarte Un Beso" Intocable
Debut No. 37 "Dejame Amarte Mas" Beto Zapata
Debut No. 39 "Vas A Aprender A Llorar" El Potro De Sinaloa


Latin Pop Songs
*** No. 1 *** "Danza Kuduro" Don Omar & Lucenzo
Greatest Gainer No. 4 "Lo Mejor De Mi Vida Eres Tu" Ricky Martin Featuring Natalia Jimenez
Debut No. 32 "The Time (Dirty Bit)" The Black Eyed Peas
Debut No. 34 "No Me Digas Que No" Enrique Iglesias Featuring Wisin & Yandel
Debut No. 35 "15 Inviernos" Elvis Crespo
Debut No. 37 "Like A G6" Far*East Movement Featuring Cataracs & Dev


Tropical Songs
*** No. 1 *** "Danza Kuduro" Don Omar & Lucenzo
Greatest Gainer No. 5 "Bon, Bon" Pitbull
Debut No. 23 "Te Parece Poco" Toby Love
Debut No. 26 "15 Inviernos" Elvis Crespo
Debut No. 33 "Ni Una Lagrima Mas" Olga Tanon Featuring Samo
Debut No. 35 "A Donde Vamos A Parar" Marco Antonio Solis
Debut No. 37 "DJ Got Us Fallin' In Love" Usher Featuring Pitbull
Debut No. 40 "Y No Regresas" Juanes


Christian Songs
*** No. 1 *** "Starry Night" Chris August
Greatest Gainer No. 25 "I Am New" Jason Gray
Hot Shot Debut No. 43 "One In A Million" Chasen
Debut No. 44 "Something Glorious" Revive


Gospel Songs
*** No. 1 *** "Nobody Greater" VaShawn Mitchell
Debut/Greatest Gainer No. 21 "He Has His Hand On You" Marvin Sapp
Debut No. 30 "YRM (Your Righteous Mind)" Donald Lawrence & Co. Featuring Dorinda Clark Cole

[Fresh]

Nov 23, 2010 10:10:48 GMT -5 Fresh said:

Country Songs

Debut No. 55 "Coal Miner's Daughter" Loretta Lynn, Sheryl Crow and Miranda Lambert

Loretta Lynn back on the country chart after 10 years.

40 years ago her "Coal Miner's Daughter" peaked at #1.

[ListenToItTwice]

Nov 23, 2010 9:43:18 GMT -5 popstop said:

Will the chart still come out on Thursday, despite the holiday?

It should. It came out on time a few years ago when Christmas was a Thursday, and I don't recall any Thanksgiving-related delays.

[badrobot]

If anything the chart may come out a bit early. I'm sure the BB staff all want to be slammin' turkey shooters by tomorrow. :)