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Post by colson on Nov 18, 2010 19:37:40 GMT -5
Actually Mimi's RIAA cert stands at 63m. She has a couple of titles that are in need of certs/upgrades, but the same goes for other acts. Luther Vandross' high placement is impressive, given that he was more of an Adult R&B performer. What about Freddie Jackson 'quietly' appearing in that top 10? He had hit after hit on that chart in the mid to late 80s. Still I never thought he'd make the top 10 even with that initial big success.
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Post by MikeCheck12 on Nov 18, 2010 21:10:20 GMT -5
With a staggering 15 No. 1 singles on R&B/Hip-Hop Songs, Janet Jackson owns the most toppers on the tally in the past 25 years. Only R. Kelly and Usher, with 11 each, come close to the diva in that span of time. (Even Jackson's superstar older brother Michael trails, with just eight in that span of time.) Between the years of 1985 and 2001, Janet Jackson was an unstoppable force on the charts, landing more top 10s than any other act: 27. Going further, from 1985 through 2004, Jackson amassed 33 consecutive top 40 hits, beginning with the No. 40-peaking "Fast Girls" through the No. 18 hit "I Want You." YES! Get it, JJ.
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Post by Bob on Nov 18, 2010 21:47:58 GMT -5
I just like that Monica is third among the younger divas, which is totally legit, she's only behind Alicia and Beyonce. Maybe the last few tired "Brandy vs. Monica" debates can stop, it's clear now whose legacy is bigger in R&B.
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Post by Verisimilitude on Nov 18, 2010 21:50:15 GMT -5
I just like that Monica is third among the younger divas, which is totally legit, she's only behind Alicia and Beyonce. Maybe the last few tired "Brandy vs. Monica" debates can stop, it's clear now whose legacy is bigger in R&B. Err, not worldwide...
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Post by Epic Fail on Nov 18, 2010 22:30:46 GMT -5
Where's Rihanna?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2010 22:39:49 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2010 22:52:01 GMT -5
I just like that Monica is third among the younger divas, which is totally legit, she's only behind Alicia and Beyonce. Maybe the last few tired "Brandy vs. Monica" debates can stop, it's clear now whose legacy is bigger in R&B. Err, not worldwide... This is a discussion based on a Billboard chart. The worldwide is irrelevant
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2010 22:55:29 GMT -5
I didn't even notice that. That is kind of funny
Yes this is a Billboard chart, what happens outside of the US does not matter here
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Post by grouper6 on Nov 19, 2010 1:25:09 GMT -5
Wow at whitney being at number 3 especially considering that a big chuck of her career was pop, her miminal album outbut and her 6 year hiatus in the 2000s. Shows you how much she was a beast at her peak. Good for her.
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Post by SHOOTER on Nov 19, 2010 3:05:09 GMT -5
Crazy how Freddie Jackson is higher than Prince!
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Post by neverduplicated on Nov 19, 2010 5:29:36 GMT -5
I just like that Monica is third among the younger divas, which is totally legit, she's only behind Alicia and Beyonce. Maybe the last few tired "Brandy vs. Monica" debates can stop, it's clear now whose legacy is bigger in R&B. Very true. Also, Monica has the potential to do big things with her next album given the quality and success of Still Standing. Just needs the right material. Also, Rihanna's not here because she's only been out for five years (look at Kanye who's only at #46) and a lot of stuff she's done has done really well on the pop charts but not so much on the urban charts. But give her a few more years and she'd probably appear in the lower regions of this list.
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Post by #LisaRinna on Nov 19, 2010 7:44:00 GMT -5
Also surprised that Eminem is so low. I'm not. His success on the R&B chart in terms of singles is minimal. His hits were always Pop/sales driven and Urban radio barely plays his music.
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Post by Kishi KCM on Nov 19, 2010 18:28:04 GMT -5
With a staggering 15 No. 1 singles on R&B/Hip-Hop Songs, JANET JACKSON owns the most toppers on the tally in the past 25 years.
YAAAAAZZZZ!
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Post by Caviar on Nov 19, 2010 19:15:53 GMT -5
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Post by Janhova's Witness on Nov 19, 2010 19:25:31 GMT -5
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Post by $uperb@tDuDe on Nov 20, 2010 0:49:11 GMT -5
Not at all. None of her albums is overcertified. Check your stats, plz. Okay so I checked "my stats" and it seems as though 3 of her studio albums are insanely overcertified. Mariah Carey-4.8 million sold but 9x platinum Music Box-7.1 million sold but 10x platinum Daydream-7.6 million sold but 10x platinum
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2010 0:51:38 GMT -5
Soundscan totals are not necessarily supposed to match certifications
Especially with older albums
Also Platinum certifications have nothing to do with albums sold
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Post by $uperb@tDuDe on Nov 20, 2010 0:53:49 GMT -5
Soundscan totals are not necessarily supposed to match certifications Especially with older albums Also Platinum certifications have nothing to do with albums sold The only album I'd give a pass to would be her debut since it came out before the soundscan era started in 1991. The rest are overcertified according to stats available, everything else is pure speculation.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2010 0:56:38 GMT -5
A platinum certification does not mean an album sold 1 million, it never did
Since soundscan covered much less of the market than it did now, RIAA certs for SHIPMENTS are probably more accurate
For instance, soundscan never counted record club sales which were prominent back in the 90s
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Post by $uperb@tDuDe on Nov 20, 2010 0:58:57 GMT -5
A platinum certification does not mean an album sold 1 million, it never did Since soundscan covered much less of the market than it did now, RIAA certs for SHIPMENTS are probably more accurate For instance, soundscan never counted record club sales which were prominent back in the 90s I think that's kind of redundant everyone on these boards knows the aforementioned. Even if you include her catalogue sales there is still a 4 million album discrepancy between sales and shipments for Music Box and Daydream.
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Post by $uperb@tDuDe on Nov 20, 2010 1:01:30 GMT -5
No shade to Mimi but everyone knows that Columbia did shady things in the past in manipulating the singles charts, wouldn't surprise me if similar things were done with Mimi's albums too. Just my opinion of course
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Nov 20, 2010 1:04:56 GMT -5
No shade to Mimi but everyone knows that Columbia did shady things in the past in manipulating the singles charts, wouldn't surprise me if similar things were done with Mimi's albums too. Just my opinion of course IF Janet had released even 1 more hit album in the last 9 years she would've been #1 or #2 on this list. Ohh well. I am glad she is in the Top 5 at least.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2010 1:09:31 GMT -5
A platinum certification does not mean an album sold 1 million, it never did Since soundscan covered much less of the market than it did now, RIAA certs for SHIPMENTS are probably more accurate For instance, soundscan never counted record club sales which were prominent back in the 90s I think that's kind of redundant everyone on these boards knows the aforementioned. Even if you include her catalogue sales there is still a 4 million album discrepancy between sales and shipments for Music Box and Daydream. Which could be accounted for by music club sales as well as other sources not picked up by the early days of Soundscan
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Post by $uperb@tDuDe on Nov 20, 2010 1:20:51 GMT -5
I think that's kind of redundant everyone on these boards knows the aforementioned. Even if you include her catalogue sales there is still a 4 million album discrepancy between sales and shipments for Music Box and Daydream. Which could be accounted for by music club sales as well as other sources not picked up by the early days of Soundscan Then why is it that the sales of Merry Christmas and Emotions correlate to the certifications while Daydream and Music Box do not? All of these albums were released in the "early" soundscan days. Butterfly is also overcertified (3.7 million sold 5x platinum) and this was released in '97, six years after the start of the soundscan era.
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Post by $uperb@tDuDe on Nov 20, 2010 1:22:28 GMT -5
No shade to Mimi but everyone knows that Columbia did shady things in the past in manipulating the singles charts, wouldn't surprise me if similar things were done with Mimi's albums too. Just my opinion of course IF Janet had released even 1 more hit album in the last 9 years she would've been #1 or #2 on this list. Ohh well. I am glad she is in the Top 5 at least. When I look back at Janet's career, she really should've released another LP maybe around late '95. Then again she was depressed so probably easier said than done.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2010 1:29:11 GMT -5
Which could be accounted for by music club sales as well as other sources not picked up by the early days of Soundscan Then why is it that the sales of Merry Christmas and Emotions correlate to the certifications while Daydream and Music Box do not? All of these albums were released in the "early" soundscan days. Butterfly is also overcertified (3.7 million sold 5x platinum) and this was released in '97, six years after the start of the soundscan era. I am not going to debate the actual numbers since I don't have them in front of me. Soundscan didn't catch everthing Notably: Columbia House, BMG and other music club services were not part of Soundscan For older albums: Soundscan is not accurate. RIAA is the better measurement
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Post by neverduplicated on Nov 20, 2010 5:56:12 GMT -5
Not at all. None of her albums is overcertified. Check your stats, plz. Okay so I checked "my stats" and it seems as though 3 of her studio albums are insanely overcertified. Mariah Carey-4.8 million sold but 9x platinum Music Box-7.1 million sold but 10x platinum Daydream-7.6 million sold but 10x platinum I already stated in a previous post that Music Box sold 0.75 million through BMG music club (bringing it's total to 7.85) and Daydream sold 0.85 mil, bringing its total to 8.45 million. Columbia House never published its sales, but presumably it sold just as much if not more through that club. If they sold just as much, Music Box would be at 8.6 million and Daydream would be at 9.3 million. Plus, as 2m has already stated, being certified means albums shipped, not sold, meaning all the copies of MB and DD that are sitting around in music stores around the country are also included in that 10 million total. Also, as already stated, Mariah's debut sold at least 4 million before soundscan started tracking sales - at least 4 mil + 4.8 mil = at least 8.8 million, certainly good enough for 9x platinum. You also conveniently didn't mention the fact that Mariah's Greatest Hits is eligible for 2x platinum (and getting close to 3x) and that her remixes compilation is eligible for gold certification. Not to mention the last time Merry Christmas was certified it's soundscan total was 1 million less than it is now, so presumably it's eligible for 6x platinum. Not to mention that Rainbow as well may be eligible (or at least extremely close to) 4x platinum since it's scanned 3 million + sold 0.45 million through BMG and very likely a similar amount through Columbia House. So if anything, Mariah is undercertified, not overcertified. I apologize to everyone for continuing to go off-topic with this discussion. It just bothers me when people make swooping statements about things they clearly haven't thought through/researched properly. Oh, and one last edit - if anyone wants to see the list of the 100 best-selling albums through the BMG music club (just so you know I'm not just making up numbers), you can find it here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_BMG_Music_Club%27s_top_selling_albums_in_the_United_States
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Post by abc on Nov 20, 2010 6:35:43 GMT -5
Where's Rihanna? Who?
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Post by spongebob on Nov 20, 2010 6:48:33 GMT -5
Where's Rihanna? Who? haha bad --sweet---boy !
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Post by #LisaRinna on Nov 20, 2010 8:13:46 GMT -5
Not at all. None of her albums is overcertified. Check your stats, plz. Okay so I checked "my stats" and it seems as though 3 of her studio albums are insanely overcertified. Mariah Carey-4.8 million sold but 9x platinum Music Box-7.1 million sold but 10x platinum Daydream-7.6 million sold but 10x platinum Go check again, plz. And come back to me when you have a stronger argument. Her debut was released prior to SoundScan and it sold before it was introduced. 8.8 million is more than enough for 9x Platinum. Music Box and Daydream sold tons of copies in music clubs so when you add up to the totals, they are certified correctly. Some of her albums are due for new certifications, but obviously you didn't care for that cause you couldn't have hated on that. A mess, if you ask me.
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