Billboard 200: 12/11/10: Kanye West #1: 496k

[swim]

Dec 3, 2010 12:31:39 GMT -5 @2m said:

Dec 3, 2010 12:12:01 GMT -5 badrobot said:

I don't think we're disagreeing, 2m.

I'm just saying you can't judge the success of the *show* based solely on the success/failure of its contestants' sales.

I understand

This year AI will become just another show. Networks get a certain amount of advertising dollars for a #1 show, they get less for a show that isn't performing as well. (so less revenue from there too, the albums and the tours clearly won't bring in anything)

The core "cast" of this show doesn't rake in the bucks but the judges and the host get a bundle.

I personally don't think this is the last year (because it was still #1 last year) but I think after 2012 it will be gone.

Advertising rates are set each year before the new season. AI ad rates for this year are already set, and it still is pulling in more than any other show on TV. Ad revenue will be affected next year since ratings will likely go down, but in all reality it's still going to be FOX's number one show this year. It has a long, long way to fall before FOX will cancel it.

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We'll see

It is quite possible, depending on the season that Glee could end up being Fox's #1 show.

[swim]

Glee has averaged 11-12 million viewers this season. FOX isn't even airing it the same night as Idol anymore, so I wouldn't expect that number to change.

Here are the top 10 shows from last year:
1 AMERICAN IDOL-TUESDAY FOX 24,714

2 AMERICAN IDOL-WEDNESDAY FOX 23,461

3 DANCING WITH THE STARS ABC 19,725

4 NBC SUNDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL NBC 18,782

5 NCIS CBS 18,699

6 UNDERCOVER BOSS CBS 17,732

7 THE MENTALIST CBS 16,828

8 CSI CBS 15,820

9 NCIS: LA CBS 15,667

10 DANCING WITH THE STARS RESULTS ABC 15,298


I doubt Idol falls 12+ million viewers in one year just because of Simon leaving. If you cancel Idol FOX has 2 hours of programming to fill that would bring in substantially less ad revenue. Last year, it brought in 700 million in ad revenue alone. It will be less this year, but still 3 times the amount of what Glee will bring in, the networks second highest show in terms of ad revenue.

The X-Factor I think will dilute both shows, but it's still going to be more profitable than the majority of the FOX schedule. It would be a horrible business decision to not run it as long as possible.

[malwaredie]

Are you sure that those numbers are right? I remember Idol having many nights under 20 million, and I can't fathom how the average could have been close to 25 million.

[swim]

Yeah, they're right. It always premiers with huge numbers with the audition episodes and declines a little later in the season.

[HolidayGuy]

I believe those numbers are "Live + 7" (meaning, taking into account DVD viewership up to 7 days after the initial broadcast- which don't really factor into ad rates). But, nonetheless, it was the top show (probably in the 18-49 demo, as well).

[Push The Button]

It was #1 in the 18-49 demo by a wide margin. It averaged an 8.3 in that demo last season - Glee peaked at a 5.9 with the Britney episode and has since dropped to a 4.0.

[jj99$ - - LeLe]

the 18-49 Demo is more important than viewers, and Idol will def be the top show, even if it drops to a 6.0 rating.

[areyoureadytojump]

Thanks, oldbloke, for all the numbers!!!!!!

[areyoureadytojump]

New RIAA certs:

Lil Wayne Gold
Jamey Johnson Gold
Lady Antebellum, Lady Antebellum 2xp
Sugarland Gold
Mumford & Sons Gold
Maroon 5 Gold
Kid Cudi Man on the Moon Gold

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Dec 7, 2010 15:32:22 GMT -5 areyoureadytojump said:

New RIAA certs:

Jamey Johnson Gold

The last time I checked this was at 200k... Did I miss something?

[areyoureadytojump]

^2cd album.

[ListenToItTwice]

BILLBOARD 200- in overall sales order

69 PINK FLOYD DARK SIDE OF THE MOON 8,999,447
192 UNDERWOOD*CARRIE SOME HEARTS 7,048,408
61 SWIFT*TAYLOR FEARLESS 6,103,889
87 CREEDENCE CLEARWATER REVIVAL VOL. 1-CHRONICLE-20 GREATEST HITS 5,801,437
175 DION*CELINE THESE ARE SPECIAL TIMES 5,142,878
27 GROBAN*JOSH NOEL 5,094,137
124 CAREY*MARIAH MERRY CHRISTMAS 5,071,926
131 GUNS N'ROSES GREATEST HITS 4,886,032
105 SWIFT*TAYLOR TAYLOR SWIFT 4,870,631
117 BEATLES ABBEY ROAD 4,596,498
70 LADY GAGA FAME 3,885,518
90 BOYLE*SUSAN I DREAMED A DREAM 3,900,000+
99 JACKSON*MICHAEL NUMBER ONES 4,405,697
176 BEATLES BEATLES, THE (LIMITED EDITION) 3,649,681
148 BUBLE*MICHAEL IT'S TIME 3,481,733
115 KID ROCK ROCK N ROLL JESUS 3,228,502
116 EMINEM CURTAIN CALL 3,222,042
104 TRANS-SIBERIAN ORCHESTRA CHRISTMAS EVE & OTHER STORIES 3,114,784
161 JOHNSON*JACK IN BETWEEN DREAMS 3,082,380
25 EMINEM RECOVERY 3,052,878
100 BLACK EYED PEAS E.N.D. (ENERGY NEVER DIES) 2,854,644
23 LADY ANTEBELLUM NEED YOU NOW 2,850,942
154 GUARALDI*VINCE TRIO CHARLIE BROWN CHRISTMAS 2,849,351
150 BEATLES 1967-70 2,744,138
173 BUBLE*MICHAEL MICHAEL BUBLE 2,513,578
91 BROWN*ZAC BAND FOUNDATION 2,377,677
172 BEATLES 1962-66 2,346,735
32 BOCELLI*ANDREA MY CHRISTMAS 2,315,023
147 BUBLE*MICHAEL CALL ME IRRESPONSIBLE 2,194,197
21 BIEBER*JUSTIN MY WORLD 2.0 2,052,317
88 TRANS-SIBERIAN ORCHESTRA LOST CHRISTMAS EVE 2,027,059
155 HANNAH MONTANA HANNAH MOVIE SNDTRK 1,995,076
4 SWIFT*TAYLOR SPEAK NOW 1,965,107
84 BUBLE*MICHAEL CRAZY LOVE 1,888,773
66 UNDERWOOD*CARRIE PLAY ON 1,828,445
89 LADY ANTEBELLUM LADY ANTEBELLUM 1,796,163
62 BIEBER*JUSTIN MY WORLD 1,623,269
140 JOURNEY GREATEST HITS 1,618,778
186 MRAZ*JASON WE SING WE DANCE WE STEAL THINGS 1,591,065
143 MCBRIDE*MARTINA WHITE CHRISTMAS 1,491,122
187 IL DIVO CHRISTMAS COLLECTION 1,428,762
101 LADY GAGA FAME MONSTER (8 TRK) 1,349,047
197 PERRY*KATY ONE OF THE BOYS 1,312,696
178 SADE SOLDIER OF LOVE 1,280,723
139 PRESLEY*ELVIS CANM-ELVIS PRESLEY-ITS CHRISTMAS 1,251,213
96 DRAKE THANK ME LATER 1,185,154
174 JERSEY BOYS SOUNDTRACK 1,178,621
182 USHER RAYMOND V RAYMOND 1,144,428
171 SHINEDOWN SOUND OF MADNESS 1,134,217
97 MAYER*JOHN BATTLE STUDIES 1,085,530
53 KE$HA ANIMAL 1,040,203
125 GLEE CAST GLEE: THE MUSIC V1 1,030,388
54 LAMBERT*MIRANDA REVOLUTION 992,243
200 OWL CITY OCEAN EYES 984,236
110 RASCAL FLATTS GREATEST HITS V1 955,325
160 QUEEN GREATEST HITS-WE WILL ROCK YOU 949,839
44 BUBLE*MICHAEL LET IT SNOW EP 928,533
3 BOYLE*SUSAN THE GIFT 915,000
129 CELTIC WOMAN CHRISTMAS CELEBRATION 858,428
114 SINATRA*FRANK NOTHING BUT THE BEST 802,291
164 GLEE CAST GLEE: THE MUSIC, V2 779,872
196 CHESNEY*KENNY GREATEST HITS II 731,752
194 JOHN*ELTON ROCKET MAN-NUMBER 1'S 728,774
136 PAISLEY*BRAD AMERICAN SATURDAY NIGHT 687,877
16 PERRY*KATY TEENAGE DREAM 676,384
58 SWIFT*TAYLOR THE HOLIDAY COLLECTION 664,818
153 HILL*FAITH JOY TO THE WORLD 627,948
68 TRAIN SAVE ME SAN FRANCISCO 544,313
49 SONGZ*TREY PASSION PAIN & PLEASURE 532,101
103 GLEE CAST GLEE: THE MUSIC,V3 523,666
17 SUGARLAND INCREDIBLE MACHINE 523,618
72 LINKIN PARK THOUSAND SUNS 515,632
31 LIL WAYNE I AM NOT A HUMAN BEING 511,291
188 PRINCE LOTUS FLOW3R 500,251

[HolidayGuy]

Holiday albums often are sold at Christian outlets, so the totals for those may be even higher.

[Deleted]

^^ You misplace some of em e.g. Michael J. and Josh Groban...

[areyoureadytojump]

Both are 4xp. Should be 5xp:

131 GUNS N'ROSES GREATEST HITS 4,886,032
105 SWIFT*TAYLOR TAYLOR SWIFT 4,870,631

[areyoureadytojump]

Should be 4xp:

70 LADY GAGA FAME 3,885,518 (3xp)

Should be 3xp:

116 EMINEM CURTAIN CALL 3,222,042 (2xp)
161 JOHNSON*JACK IN BETWEEN DREAMS 3,082,380 (2xp)
25 EMINEM RECOVERY 3,052,878 (not certified)
100 BLACK EYED PEAS E.N.D. (ENERGY NEVER DIES) 2,854,644 (2xp)

[areyoureadytojump]

Should be 2xp:

173 BUBLE*MICHAEL MICHAEL BUBLE 2,513,578 (1xp)
147 BUBLE*MICHAEL CALL ME IRRESPONSIBLE 2,194,197 (1xp)
155 HANNAH MONTANA HANNAH MOVIE SNDTRK 1,995,076 )1xp)
84 BUBLE*MICHAEL CRAZY LOVE 1,888,773 (1xp)
66 UNDERWOOD*CARRIE PLAY ON 1,828,445 (1xp)

[HolidayGuy]

Just more evidence of why SoundScan is the source writers cite for new album sales in recent years; the RIAA lags behind.

[ListenToItTwice]

Dec 7, 2010 18:18:36 GMT -5 @reidlos20 said:

^^ You misplace some of em e.g. Michael J. and Josh Groban...

Good catch. Thanks.

[areyoureadytojump]

Should be 1xp:

110 RASCAL FLATTS GREATEST HITS V1 955,325 - not certified
160 QUEEN GREATEST HITS-WE WILL ROCK YOU 949,839 - not certified
44 BUBLE*MICHAEL LET IT SNOW EP 928,533 - not certified