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Post by Leigh on Aug 3, 2015 17:30:55 GMT -5
Wow. Shame on the seller. Shame on the buyer. Shame on the reader.
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Post by Bojangles on Aug 7, 2015 10:35:45 GMT -5
There's a pic of Whitney's baby girl on the cover of the Enquirer now laying unconscious in hospice. Thiis so disgusting and it'll never end. I'm appalled that anyone in her family or close circle of friends would do this, unless it was a staff member but I wouldn't be surprised if it was someone in the inner circle. I hope none of you buy or support this magazine in any way, shape, or form.
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Post by divasummer on Aug 7, 2015 10:42:11 GMT -5
It's very disgusting and it's almost becoming a common practice now a days. We saw pics of Whitney, Michael, James Brown, Selena etc and now Bobbi Kriss.
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Post by Bojangles on Aug 7, 2015 10:45:42 GMT -5
I want to focus on happier times with this family. This is a beautiful pic of Whitney and little Bobbi Kris with Cissy, Pat, Gary, Whitney's other sister in law Donna (who has Krissy on her lap), and her niece and nephew. I'd say this was 1995?
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Post by Leigh on Aug 7, 2015 11:18:15 GMT -5
It's very disgusting and it's almost becoming a common practice now a days. We saw pics of Whitney, Michael, James Brown, Selena etc and now Bobbi Kriss. The worst thing is that the photos are taken, sold and published all because there is an audience for it. Worrying times we live in. Great photo Bo, thanks for sharing
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Post by Bojangles on Aug 7, 2015 20:18:19 GMT -5
Oh my God
Lawsuit: Bobbi Kristina died after Nick Gordon's 'toxic cocktail'
ATLANTA -- An amended lawsuit filed by the late Bobbi Kristina Brown's conservator alleges that Nick Gordon gave Brown a "toxic cocktail" and then put her face down in a tub of cold water.
The original suit was filed on June 24 in Fulton County Superior Court by Brown's court-appointed conservator Bedelia Hargrove. It accused Gordon of assault, battery, intentional infliction of emotional distress, and transferring money from her account into his own without authorization.
Brown, the 22-year-old daughter of the late Whitney Houston and Bobby Brown, died on July 26 -- months after being found unresponsive in the tub of her Roswell home on Jan. 31. Brown never regained consciousness and was moved to hospice care in June.
The amended complaint, filed on Friday, adds a wrongful death count. It alleges that around 6 a.m. on Jan. 31, Gordon returned after "being out all-night on a cocaine and drinking binge." The suit says that Gordon watched camera footage of Brown and listened to her conversations.
Gordon and Brown began arguing in the kitchen. The dispute moved to the living and then upstairs to the master bedroom. Gordon allegedly accused Brown of cheating and called her a number of names, the lawsuit alleges. The argument lasted about 30 minutes and then "everything abruptly became quiet."
The lawsuit then says that Gordon "gave Bobbi Kristina a toxic cocktail rendering her unconscious and then put her face down in a tub of cold water causing her to suffer brain damage."
According to the suit, Gordon then came out of the bedroom wearing different clothes than he was wearing in his argument with Bobbi Kristina, got into bed, laid his head on a female guest's ankle and said, "Now I want a pretty little white girl like you."
About 15 minutes later, a guest at the home went in to check on Brown and found her face down in a tub. A dust pan was at the bottom of the tub, the lawsuit states. Bobbi Kristina unresponsive, unconscious with a swollen mouth and a tooth hanging loosely from her mouth.
Gordon allegedly then came into the bathroom, let the water out of the tub and shouted, "Clean up, clean up." Others, including Gordon, began efforts to resuscitate Brown and called for medical personnel.
Brown was transported to North Fulton Hospital, where she was revived. She was later placed in a medically-induced coma. Later, Brown was diagnosed with "global and irreversible brain damage" and the lawsuit says "as a result of [Gordon's] actions."
On Friday, Hargrove amended the complaint, saying:
I am deeply saddened by the recent death of Bobbi Kristina Brown. I extend my sincerest condolences to all of her family. Consistent with and to the letter of the civil action I initially filed on behalf of Bobbi Kristina, we will continue to pursue justice for her. I have filed today an amended complaint against Nicholas Gordon adding a count for wrongful death and for pain and suffering. We will leave no stone unturned in seeking justice for Bobbi Kristina Brown.
The amended suit also goes into more details on an incident where Gordon allegedly knocked out a tooth of Bobbi Kristina. According to the lawsuit, days before Jan. 31, several witnesses saw Gordon punch Brown as she sat on a couch. The lawsuit said that the impact was so great that the couch broke, knocking Brown to the floor. Gordon continued to attack Brown on the floor, "hitting her in the face until she was bloody," the suit said. It goes on to say that Gordon then began kicking Brown in the side "to the point that she was on the floor screaming and curled up in a fetal position." Brown's tooth was knocked out in the attack, the lawsuit states.
Gordon then allegedly dragged Brown up the stairs by her her hair to the master bedroom, later telling witnesses, "I don't do this often."
The lawsuit asks for damages of at least $10 million each for the assault, battery, intentional infliction of emotional distress, and conversion. It asks for an amount to be determined later for counts of quantum meruit/unjust enrichment and attorneys' fees.
11Alive legal analyst Philip Holloway said the amended lawsuit was expected. "Technically, a wrongful death lawsuit and any possible criminal charges are independent actions," he said. At this time, no criminal charges have been filed against Gordon. When asked if this was a legal maneuver to move the apparently stalled criminal case forward, Holloway said, "It very well could be. I would be surprised if there was not some information sharing going on. Victim's families are frequently kept in the loop."
Holloway said Gordon must respond to the lawsuit. "It paints him into a corner because he has to reply, either admitting or denying the charges." Any testimony given by Gordon could later be used in a criminal case.
"It's very detailed," Holloway said about the section of the lawsuit accusing Gordon of killing Bobbi Kristina. "Lawyers are ethically prohibited from alleging things in a lawsuit unless they have support."
"This lawsuit accuses him of murder."
Funeral services were held on Saturday in Alpharetta, and Brown was buried in New Jersey on Monday. After leaving the funeral early, Bobby Brown's sister, Leolah Brown, made derogatory statements about sister-in-law Pat Houston as well as Gordon.
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Post by Relaxing Cup on Aug 7, 2015 20:36:35 GMT -5
I guess I'm just wondering what the motive would be for intentionally killing her.
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Post by Zinc. on Aug 9, 2015 12:01:29 GMT -5
Happy Birthday/R.I.P. Whitney. One of the greatest voices to ever grace this earth. You are missed!!!
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Post by Bojangles on Aug 9, 2015 14:58:02 GMT -5
Happy Birthday Whitney!! I miss you and your presence on this earth so much. Thank you for the music and so much happiness you brought us fans while you were here. I will always love you. I picture you enjoying and celebrating this special day with your baby girl up above.
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Post by Glove Slap on Aug 19, 2015 1:39:34 GMT -5
I saw this video of Patrick Swayze and his wife doing a tribute to Whitney shared a few times yesterday for what would have been Patrick's 63rd birthday. I'd never seen it before I think.
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Post by Bojangles on Aug 19, 2015 10:16:19 GMT -5
I saw this video of Patrick Swayze and his wife doing a tribute to Whitney shared a few times yesterday for what would have been Patrick's 63rd birthday. I'd never seen it before I think. Yes! I believe this was at the 94 World Music Awards, which Whitney was watching live from the crowd.
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Post by Bojangles on Aug 19, 2015 10:19:38 GMT -5
Awesome story and memory of Whitney Music director Paul Bogaev of Weston remembers Whitney Houston “I’m jigglin’ the car keys, I’m puttin’ my shoes back on…” announced Whitney Houston from Capitol Records Studio A. The worst thing that can happen in a recording session just had: The mixing board broke down. Actually, it had been down for about 10 minutes, and there was no indication that it was going to be up and running in the near future. Whitney had been standing before the mic, waiting patiently for the word that we could go back to work. Now she was ready to bolt. The work we were doing was recording the finale of ABC-Disney’s production of Rodgers and Hammerstein’s Cinderella. The year was 1997. I was the show’s music director. TV and popstar Brandy was Cinderella and Whitney Houston was not only playing the Fairy Godmother, but had conceived the ground-breaking interracial version of the classic musical, and was its executive producer as well. The song we were recording was a largely unknown one in the Rodgers and Hammerstein catalogue. It had been added to the film and was arranged especially for Whitney as a killer inspirational ballad to end the picture. We had already recorded the orchestra track and had only that day to get her vocals down on tape. The song was by no means easy under any circumstances, with a huge range and a great big high note at the end. Whitney knew that she was not sounding good, and what’s more, she knew that we knew it, too, and no amount of false praise was going to keep her in the studio. At this point in her life, Whitney Houston’s once magnificent voice was starting to fail her, and throughout the session I could feel her struggling, not just with some of the notes, but with the anger and frustration that she simply couldn’t sing like she used to. She was struggling with something else that we didn’t know about at that time, but found out later. She was not high. She was not stoned. She was in withdrawal. Looking back, it was amazing that she was behaving as well as she was — it probably would have been a lot easier for us and for her if she had been high. She was bravely trying to get off whatever it was that she was on, and now the lousy board had broken down and she had had enough. Then I got the order: “Go in there and keep her from leaving.” Without any time to think, I barged into the studio and blurted out what must have sounded like one gigantic word. “I just remembered, Whitney, I need some advice. Our three-month-old, Daniel, it takes forever to get him to burp. I’ve seen you with Bobbi Kristina, you’re a great mother, can you please help me?” Without even the slightest trace of annoyance, which would have been highly appropriate, Whitney immediately responded with, “Well, Paul honey, what you gotta do is put little Daniel right up on your shoulder with his tummy pressing in on the bone, and walk him every which way — up, down, and all around the house, until you pop that burp right out of him!” (By the way, it really worked.) It didn’t stop there. Never coming up for air, Whitney passed on to me everything she had learned about parenting in her then four years experience of motherhood. I have no idea exactly how long Child Care 101 went on for, because I was into it as much as she was. But just as Whitney was giving me her last bit of advice, the call came in from the control room, “We fixed it! We’re ready!” In one frame, as they say, (a frame of film equaling 1/24th of a second), Whitney was at the mic shouting “Roll it!” She did the entire song in one perfect take. High note and all. I didn’t expect that. Just to get her to stick around a little longer, yes. But a transformation like that, as if she had become a totally different person? No! And it carried right into the recording. It wasn’t that her voice had come all the way back to technically what it had been, but the ease and, more importantly the joy, had come back and that made all the difference. And it never would have happened without that lousy board breaking down. I often wonder what made me do what I did to keep Whitney in the studio. It did not just come out of nowhere. Three things were in the back of my mind: First, Whitney loved giving advice — Brandy greatly valued her as a mentor, and during rehearsals, it was obvious that Whitney reveled in the role of teacher. At one point, Whitney warned Brandy, “We’d better both watch it with our ‘riffing’… this is Rodgers and Hammerstein!” She was one of the few stars I ever worked with that didn’t insist on imposing their own particular vocal style on material that wasn’t necessarily suited for it. Second, we actually were having a hard time getting Daniel to burp. Lastly, as briefly as I had seen Whitney with Bobbi Kristina, I knew that she was a terrific mother. What I discovered that day was that Whitney was a genuinely warm and, most importantly, I think, giving human being, and I will forever remember her in that way. I got to see the real her, and without knowing it, maybe that’s what I was looking to find in Studio A. A director’s job is often analogous to that of a miner. A gold miner. You are constantly digging for the gold. With performers, sometimes you can find it by just helping them get out of their own way, helping them get out of themselves. Oh yes, I almost forgot the name of the song we were recording: There Is Music In You. There was always music in Whitney Houston, and underneath the demons, in every way, there was gold. Paul Bogaev of Weston is a Grammy and Emmy award-winning music director and composer. He is married to composer and lyricist Barbara Schottenfeld. The couple has three sons, Daniel, Michael and Thomas. Related Posts: www.thewestonforum.com/52710/music-director-paul-bogaev-of-weston-remembers-whitney-houston/
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Post by HolidayGuy on Aug 22, 2015 11:23:34 GMT -5
The Acclaimed Music site has had its annual update. Whitney ranks No. 661 on the artists list.
Here are her all-time rankings (top 3,000 albums and 6,000 songs):
Albums 1,720. Whitney Houston
Bubbling Under- Albums The Bodyguard
Songs 2,241. How Will I Know 2,608. I Will Always Love You 2,865. I Wanna Dance with Somebody (Who Loves Me) 3,559. It's Not Right But It's Okay
Songs- Bubbling Under Saving All My Love for You The Greatest Love of All Exhale (Shoop Shoop) My Love Is Your Love
EDIT: While not currently listed on Whitney's page at the AM site, The Bodyguard is a "bubbler" album, so I added it here.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Aug 24, 2015 8:24:26 GMT -5
Whitney has two tracks on Pitchfork's 200 Best Songs of the 1980s: pitchfork.com/features/staff-lists/9700-the-200-best-songs-of-the-1980s/1/20. Whitney Houston, “I Wanna Dance With Somebody (Who Loves Me)” (1987)"I Wanna Dance With Somebody (Who Loves Me)", released in 1987, is one of Houston’s most recognizable hits, and one that brings the contrast between the talent and the tabloid story into sharpest relief. It’s a bright, bubbly pop song, bopping through the standard-issue subject matter that is the single girl’s longing for the lighthearted fun of romantic love. Houston’s signature shout after the unmistakable keyboard intro is pure '80s joy, reminiscent of the similarly jubilant openings of both Cyndi Lauper’s "Girls Just Want to Have Fun" and Houston’s own "How Will I Know". This comparison did not go unnoticed when the song was first released, and critics used it as a reason to pan "I Wanna Dance With Somebody" as a lazy imitation of a formula Houston and Lauper had already gotten right. But the years have been kind to "I Wanna Dance With Somebody". Houston, then on her second studio album, is youthful, light—the voice on the record is impossible to reconcile with the Houston the public came to know in the years surrounding her death. In the new millennium, big voices have standard issue: from Amy Winehouse, to Adele, Mariah Carey, and Kelly Clarkson, the pop standard is singers with wide ranges, ringing upper registers, and nimble runs. But Houston brought so much more than size to her performances. On "I Wanna Dance With Somebody", Houston manages to imbue an otherwise simple, frivolous pop song with a hint of sadness. —Maud Deitch 103. Whitney Houston, “How Will I Know” (1985)It feels like sacrilege to imagine an alternate timeline where "How Will I Know", the third single from 22-year old Whitney Houston’s 1985 debut, ended up a Janet Jackson song, as originally intended. For Jackson, control was freaky and liberating, something you wielded by choice. But for Houston, control was a lifestyle, a guiding principle—forever maintaining the perfect temporary balance between unthinkable technical precision and unchecked emotional release. Later, with Bobby Brown, it was something darker. Control, and its absence, was the core of "How Will I Know" beyond mere infatuation, and why it’s gotten so much more affecting with time: the terrifying rush of losing yourself. It was the album’s poppiest, most danceable track, but its persistent reputation as "lighthearted" never completely fit a song whose pre-chorus advocates, "Don’t trust your feelings." "Diva" suggests the immortal, the untouchable; in Latin and Italian, it translates to "goddess." But what made Houston such an important one, voice aside, was that she wasn’t fearless or invincible. She’d initially wanted her mother to sing back-up on "How Will I Know"; early live performances of the song came off as almost shy, not immediately at home on the stage. But the sheer elation from the act of singing was obvious: realizing her own power in real time, letting it charge her up until she was completely electrified. Everything was hard, except for the music. That part was simple. That question—how will I know?—re-emerges in the infamous 2002 Diane Sawyer interview. "I’m 5’7” and thin," Houston swears, responding to Sawyer’s questions about her jarring weight loss. "That’s not just thin," Sawyer persists. Houston looks her dead in the eyes: "No? What is it, Diane, tell me? Do you know?" The circumstances have changed, but the issue is the same: fear of the unmanageable void, just outside the jurisdiction of control. Later in the interview, Houston talks of losing the thrill of singing: "It’s just not fun anymore." That lost spark is unmistakable on "How Will I Know", so pure you want to preserve it forever, and you almost can. —Meaghan Garvey
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Sept 11, 2015 17:39:01 GMT -5
MESS! WHITNEY HOUSTON HOLOGRAM TO TOUR THE WORLDWhitney Houston is coming back in hologram form. Hologram USA and Pat Houston, president of the Whitney Houston Estate, announced that a hologram of the late singer will tour the world in 2016. The Estate is partnering with Hologram USA, a company owned by Greek billionaire Alki David. Hologram USA will create the hologram with the help and approval of the Estate, while David’s FilmOn Studios will create the content as well as distribute via FilmOn.com and syndicate to all major digital outlets online, on satellite, and cable. The live show will open at a major U.S. venue and tour the world. “I was heartbroken when Whitney passed away in 2012,” says David. “The opportunity to help share her spectacular gifts with the world again is exactly what I hoped for when I built the hologram business. We’ve got technology that’s causing a seismic shift in the entertainment industry, and a wonderful partnership with Pat Houston and the estate—I’m confident we’ll create the ultimate celebration of Whitney’s amazing artistry.” Pat Houston adds, “It’s a great opportunity for her fans to see a reinvention of one the most celebrated female artists in history and to continue a legacy of performances that will not be forgotten in years to come. I look forward to the partnership.” The interactive show will feature some of Houston’s greatest hits and incorporate audiences and special guests. Hologram USA, which owns the North American patent to the technology, recently partnered with Harlem’s Apollo Theater to create hologram performances around the venue’s historic entertainers. The first will be Billie Holiday in late 2015. The company also created a Chief Keef hologram for performances in Chicago and Los Angeles.
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Post by Leigh on Sept 11, 2015 18:43:14 GMT -5
Damn is there nothing Pat Houston won't do for dollars.
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Post by So Pure on Sept 11, 2015 20:26:38 GMT -5
Get them coins Pat! That woman is despicable! Now that Bobbi Kris is gone she's just lining her pockets. I'm all for honoring Whitney's legacy & introducing her to new generations but this hologram shit just isn't it.
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Post by Bojangles on Sept 11, 2015 23:23:30 GMT -5
I don't like this at all, holograms are always weird.
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Post by Glove Slap on Sept 12, 2015 9:15:19 GMT -5
I knew this would happen, but it just seems...so soon? Although it will be coming up on 5 years by the time it's presented.
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Post by #LisaRinna on Sept 12, 2015 9:31:19 GMT -5
Pat is a snake and needs to be stopped.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2015 17:03:42 GMT -5
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Post by Chelsea Press 2 on Dec 5, 2015 16:08:27 GMT -5
Woman Posing as Bobbi Kristina Nurse Faces More Charges 12/5/2015 by Associated Press
Police say a woman accused of posing as a nurse and giving hospice care to Bobbi Kristina Brown faces identity fraud and other charges.
Roswell Police Department Officer Lisa Holland says Taiwo Sobamowo has also been charged with forgery, theft by deception and practicing as a professional registered nurse without a license. Her former employer, Homestead Hospice, is based in Roswell 20 miles north of Atlanta.
Brown, the 22-year-old daughter of singers Bobby Brown and the late Whitney Houston, died July 26 at Peachtree Christian Hospice in Duluth, Georgia. Sobamowo's employer contracted staff who worked at the hospice center.
Sobamowo was arrested in November and faces similar charges in Forsyth County and Duluth. She remained in jail on Friday, Dec. 4. No attorney is listed for her in online court records.
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Post by bunifah on Dec 6, 2015 18:55:14 GMT -5
Fine is such an underrated gem
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Post by Leigh on Feb 11, 2016 15:09:43 GMT -5
I can't believe it has been four years since we lost Whitney. It's so surreal looking back over the first page of this thread that now Whitney and Bobbi Kristina have both gone.
Today I'm celebrating her life, her voice and her artistry, listening to her music from her first album to the last. IWALY still gives me goosebumps all these years later.
Also - I hope to see Bojangles back online posting soon!
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Post by Zinc. on Feb 11, 2016 17:02:03 GMT -5
R.I.P. Whitney you're gone but never forgotten. Your legacy will live on forever.
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Post by Unhinged on Feb 11, 2016 17:18:59 GMT -5
RIP Whitney.
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Post by Bojangles on Feb 11, 2016 21:22:05 GMT -5
It's all unbelievable and surreal to me, still.
I love you Whitney.
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Post by vsw on Feb 12, 2016 5:19:00 GMT -5
RIP to the Greatest that ever lived! Miss you so much, Whitney!
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Post by Bojangles on Apr 28, 2016 10:49:17 GMT -5
Whitney Houston Doc in the Works From Oscar Winner Kevin Macdonald The "unvarnished and authentic" project - the first to be officially authorized by the singer's estate since her 2012 death - will be introduced to buyers in Cannes by the banner behind 'Amy's' record-breaking U.K. release. Whitney Houston is joining the growing ranks of late entertainers to get the documentary treatment, with the British banner behind the acclaimed, Oscar-winning Amy set to introduce the film to buyers in Cannes next month. Academy Award-winning Scottish director Kevin Macdonald, who sources tell THR had long been working on a project centered around the singer known to many simply as "The Voice," is set to helm the as-yet-untitled "official" film, which was announced Thursday. Houston, who passed away in 2012, was known as one of the music industry's most naturally talented and successful artists – with an estimated 200 million records sold worldwide and the only singer to have enjoyed seven consecutive no. 1 Billboard Hot 100 hits. Proving her crossover appeal, she had an acclaimed starring role in 1992's The Bodyguard, which would win her a Grammy and still remains one of the biggest-selling soundtracks of all time. But while Houston's career would influence a generation of female performers, the star also had widely-known personal struggles, including a turbulent 15-year marriage to Bobby Brown and a long-history of drug addiction and abuse, which would culminate in her being found unconscious in a bathtub in the Beverly Hilton Hotel and later pronounced dead at the age of just 48. The "unvarnished and authentic" story, set to "examine both the highs and lows of her dramatic career," is reportedly the only documentary to have been officially authorized by Houston's estate since her death. Macdonald – who won an Oscar in 2000 for One Day in September, also directed The Last King of Scotland and underlined his music doc credentials with 2012's critically acclaimed Marley – is working on the Houston project with fellow Oscar-winning producer Simon Chinn, behind both Man on Wire and Searching for Sugar Man. Chinn and his Emmy-winning cousin Jonathan Chinn (Fantastic Lies, American High) are producing the doc under their Lightbox Media banner, having partnered with multi-Emmy nominated Lisa Erspamer (Running From Crazy). Among the figures lined up to be interviewed are Clive Davis, founder and president of Arista Record and currently chief creative officer of Sony Music Entertainment. Davis is universally acknowledged to have helped bring Houston to prominence, having first seen her perform in New York in 1983. Friends, family and collaborators are also set to tell their side of the story, helping reveal a woman who was "both blessed and cursed with perhaps the greatest natural ability of any pop star in history," while never-before-seen footage will chart her whole life from her church's gospel choir to her tragic death, alongside exclusive demo recordings, rare performances and audio archive. “The story that is never told about Whitney is just how brilliant she was as an artist; by many measures she had the greatest voice of the last 50 years," said Macdonald, who recently directed the pilot episode of J.J. Abrams' science fiction thriller series 11.22.63. "She changed the way pop music was sung - bringing it back full circle to its blues and gospel roots. She was also completely unique in being a black pop star who sold in countries where black artists don’t traditionally sell." The filmmaker asserted that he wouldn't "shy away from the darker parts of Whitney's life," including her descent into addiction. "I want audiences to walk out of the cinema and feel positive about Whitney and her music," he added. "I want to reveal a woman that even her most die-hard fans never knew; and a woman those new to her life and music will never forget.” Altitude, the British banner that scored a hit with Asif Kapadia's Amy, which last year became the highest-grossing British documentary of all time, is utilizing its skills and looking after international sales on the Whitney Houston doc, introducing the project to buyers in Cannes, where the company will also be touting Kapadia's next doc, Maradona. It has also secured U.K. rights to the Houston doc and will be hoping the film emulates Amy's record-breaking success when it releases it under its Altitude Film Distribution arm. Amy brought home a haul in excess of $5.5 million at the local box office. Will Clarke, chairman and co-CEO of Altitude, said: “Whitney’s story, brought to screen by Kevin Macdonald and this producing team, will make for a truly compelling theatrical event for audiences worldwide."
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Post by bat1990 on Apr 29, 2016 7:00:37 GMT -5
^I got an email about the documentary. I'm cautiously optimistic.
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