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Post by jebsib on Jan 26, 2011 18:17:08 GMT -5
HolidayGuy - "From the Bottom of my Broken Heart" was a CD single, too.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jan 26, 2011 18:25:41 GMT -5
My system was being slow- I was going to edit my post before someone caught that. :) I did initially forget about that one- not hard to understand why. Didn't even make the tracklisting of either single-disc compilation (though it did peak higher in airplay than some tracks that did).
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Post by leoapp on Jan 26, 2011 19:18:29 GMT -5
Britney could've had 5 more #1s/top 5 on Hot 100 if Sometimes, Crazy, Oops, Lucky and Slave had proper physical singles released.
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Post by Eqbk on Jan 26, 2011 19:40:59 GMT -5
Well, most of the singles charting on the Hot 100 in 1999-2002 relied on airplay, and some had lengthier Hot 100 runs. So, the lack of CD single doesn't matter all that much in that regard. Maybe for other artists it didn't matter but for Britney, it definitely did. I believe 'Sometimes' was top 10 in airplay (correct me if I'm wrong) yet couldn't even crack the top 20 on the Hot 100. Compare this to 'From the Bottom of My Broken Heart', which managed to peak 7 spots higher and last as long on the chart as 'Sometimes' even though it had far less airplay and its run on radio was far less impressive. My point is that it is very hard to gage how well HIAM will do based on her past singles performance as the circumstance are different. The problem w/ predicting HIAM's chart performance based on her recent singles is that she is likely to do far more promo for this era than she did for her last two. The problem w/ predicting based on earlier eras where she did promote is that the nature of the Hot 100 was completely different back then than it is now.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2011 19:42:36 GMT -5
Well, most of the singles charting on the Hot 100 in 1999-2002 relied on airplay, and some had lengthier Hot 100 runs. So, the lack of CD single doesn't matter all that much in that regard. Maybe for other artists it didn't matter but for Britney, it definitely did. I believe 'Sometimes' was top 10 in airplay (correct me if I'm wrong) yet couldn't even crack the top 20 on the Hot 100. Compare this to 'From the Bottom of My Broken Heart', which managed to peak 7 spots higher and last as long on the chart as 'Sometimes' even though it had far less airplay and its run on radio was far less impressive. My point is that it is very hard to gage how well HIAM will do based on her past singles performance as the circumstance are different. The problem w/ predicting HIAM's chart performance based on her recent singles is that she is likely to do far more promo for this era than she did for her last two. The problem w/ predicting based on earlier eras where she did promote is that the nature of the Hot 100 is completely different than it is now. Sometimes peaked @ #11 on the hot 100 airplay and peaked @ #21 on the hot 100. Not have a physical single was a pretty big disadvantage.
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Post by Lockheart on Jan 26, 2011 19:44:34 GMT -5
I believe that Britney's singles that had proper physical release went #1 -- BOMT, FTBOMBH, and Stronger
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Post by leoapp on Jan 26, 2011 19:44:43 GMT -5
Maybe for other artists it didn't matter but for Britney, it definitely did. I believe 'Sometimes' was top 10 in airplay (correct me if I'm wrong) yet couldn't even crack the top 20 on the Hot 100. Compare this to 'From the Bottom of My Broken Heart', which managed to peak 7 spots higher and last as long on the chart as 'Sometimes' even though it had far less airplay and its run on radio was far less impressive. My point is that it is very hard to gage how well HIAM will do based on her past singles performance as the circumstance are different. The problem w/ predicting HIAM's chart performance based on her recent singles is that she is likely to do far more promo for this era than she did for her last two. The problem w/ predicting based on earlier eras where she did promote is that the nature of the Hot 100 is completely different than it is now. Sometimes peaked @ #11 on the hot 100 airplay and peaked @ #21 on the hot 100. Not have a physical single was a pretty big disadvantage. Britney's Hot 100 Airplay Peaks: # 6 - Crazy # 6 - Womanizer # 7 - Circus # 8 - BOMT # 8 - Oops # 9 - 3 # 10 - Toxic # 14 - Sometimes # 16 - Everytime # 18 - Lucky # 18 - If U Seek Amy # 23 - Hold It Against Me # 30 - I'm a Slave 4 U # 38 - Me Against The Music # 48 - Gimme More # 53 - From The Bottom Of My Broken Heart # 53 - Stronger # 58 - Break the Ice # 74 - Piece of Me Don't Let Me Be The Last To Know, I'm Not A Girl, Overprotected, Boys, Outrageous, My Prerogative, and Radar failed to chart on Hot 100 Airplay correct me if I'm wrong
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2011 19:50:23 GMT -5
Sometimes peaked @ #11 on the hot 100 airplay and peaked @ #21 on the hot 100. Not have a physical single was a pretty big disadvantage. Britney's Hot 100 Airplay Peaks: # 6 - Crazy # 6 - Womanizer # 7 - Circus # 8 - BOMT # 8 - Oops # 9 - 3 # 10 - Toxic # 14 - Sometimes # 16 - Everytime # 18 - Lucky # 18 - If U Seek Amy # 23 - Hold It Against Me # 30 - I'm a Slave 4 U # 38 - Me Against The Music # 48 - Gimme More # 53 - From The Bottom Of My Broken Heart # 53 - Stronger # 58 - Break the Ice # 74 - Piece of Me Don't Let Me Be The Last To Know, I'm Not A Girl, Overprotected, Boys, Outrageous, My Prerogative, and Radar failed to chart on Hot 100 Airplay correct me if I'm wrong I think you're right. :)
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Post by Lockheart on Jan 26, 2011 19:55:09 GMT -5
Out of that list, Gimme More is the only top ten Britney single to have not reach the top ten on airplay. HIAM is pretty much on the way.
Also another note, # 53 - From The Bottom Of My Broken Heart # 53 - Stronger
Both of these songs peaked near the top ten thanks to the physical release. So, you can't really blame Britney fans from thinking singles like Oops, Crazy, and Sometimes from peaking even higher.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2011 19:57:09 GMT -5
Out of that list, Gimme More is the only top ten Britney single to have not reach the top ten on airplay. HIAM is pretty much on the way. Also another note, # 53 - From The Bottom Of My Broken Heart # 53 - Stronger Both of these songs peaked near the top ten thanks to the physical release. So, you can't really blame Britney fans from thinking singles like Oops, Crazy, and Sometimes from peaking even higher. I don't think Lucky was given a single release either . All of those songs were potential top 5/#1s :(.
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Post by Nadia on Jan 26, 2011 19:58:04 GMT -5
This will be WMN? 10th week in the Top 5. :)
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Post by leoapp on Jan 26, 2011 20:02:00 GMT -5
Out of that list, Gimme More is the only top ten Britney single to have not reach the top ten on airplay. HIAM is pretty much on the way. Also another note, # 53 - From The Bottom Of My Broken Heart # 53 - Stronger Both of these songs peaked near the top ten thanks to the physical release. So, you can't really blame Britney fans from thinking singles like Oops, Crazy, and Sometimes from peaking even higher. I don't think Lucky was given a single release either . All of those songs were potential top 5/#1s :(. Well, BOMT and Oops era had a few Hot 100 hits but she had 2 diamonds albums, thanks to the strategy, not releasing physical singles for some of her singles.
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Post by Eqbk on Jan 26, 2011 20:05:14 GMT -5
Thanks for the info guys. I think it's safe to say that physical sales definitely helped Britney w/ longevity. I don't think a song that peaked at #53 in airplay would have lasted the whole 20 weeks w/o a physical single release.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2011 20:15:33 GMT -5
Britney could've had 5 more #1s/top 5 on Hot 100 if Sometimes, Crazy, Oops, Lucky and Slave had proper physical singles released. And so could plenty of other artists if they had released CD singles during that time as well. Oh well, they didn't.
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Post by Lockheart on Jan 26, 2011 20:27:27 GMT -5
Britney could've had 5 more #1s/top 5 on Hot 100 if Sometimes, Crazy, Oops, Lucky and Slave had proper physical singles released. And so could plenty of other artists if they had released CD singles during that time as well. Oh well, they didn't. No one is doubting that, but can you kindly list me these artist at the same caliber as Britney ;) This is a tired argument. Let's just move on
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Post by leoapp on Jan 26, 2011 20:32:42 GMT -5
And so could plenty of other artists if they had released CD singles during that time as well. Oh well, they didn't. No one is doubting that, but can you kindly list me these artist at the same caliber as Britney ;) This is a tired argument. Let's just move on Maybe just Ricky Martin & Xtina duet, Nobody Wants To Be Lonely. It went top 10 airplay but no physical singles.
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Post by Riot on Jan 26, 2011 20:38:05 GMT -5
I think it's kind of ridiculous to argue the fact that sales wouldn't have aided Britney on the Hot 100, she is the definition of a selling artist. While others may be huge airplay attractors, Britney would be akin' to a "sellers" artist. Jive in the early days, only intervened on her Hot 100 performance when it looked as if her singles were going to completely flop, and miss the top 40 altogether. It's obvious that Britney would have had a better chart trajectory if sales were included. Her chart performance would probably look a lot like that of Christina's. With multiple #1's. She certainly wouldn't have had to wait 10 years for her second #1. Considering the hardcore support Britney had from fans, and pop radio for her first seven releases, and when she was the hot new thing back in the late 90's/early 2000's. That being said her album sales would have suffered as well if she got physical releases to all of her singles.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2011 20:39:29 GMT -5
I think it's kind of ridiculous to argue against the fact that sales wouldn't have aided Britney on the Hot 100, she is the definition of a selling artist. While others may be huge airplay attractors, Britney would be akin' to a "sellers" artist. Jive in the early days, only intervened on her Hot 100 performance when it looked as if her singles were going to completely flop, and miss the top 40 altogether. It's obvious that Britney would have had a better chart trajectory if sales were included. Her chart performance would probably look a lot like that of Christina. With multiple #1's, she certainly wouldn't have had to wait 10 years for her second #1. That being said her album sales would have suffered as well if she got physical releases to all of her singles. In a way it's nice to see that she got 2 diamond albums out of this .
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Post by leoapp on Jan 26, 2011 20:43:18 GMT -5
I think it's kind of ridiculous to argue the fact that sales wouldn't have aided Britney on the Hot 100, she is the definition of a selling artist. While others may be huge airplay attractors, Britney would be akin' to a "sellers" artist. Jive in the early days, only intervened on her Hot 100 performance when it looked as if her singles were going to completely flop, and miss the top 40 altogether. It's obvious that Britney would have had a better chart trajectory if sales were included. Her chart performance would probably look a lot like that of Christina's. With multiple #1's. She certainly wouldn't have had to wait 10 years for her second #1. Considering the hardcore support Britney had from fans, and pop radio for her first seven releases, and when she was the hot new thing back in the late 90's/early 2000's. That being said her album sales would have suffered as well if she got physical releases to all of her singles. Xtina's debut album sales were quite impressive, almost 9 million, because all of her singles had physical single released. So even if all of Britney's earlier singles had physical singles released, think it wouldn't hurt much her first 2 album sales, but maybe not reaching diamond though.
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Post by jamrock16 on Jan 26, 2011 20:45:25 GMT -5
HIAM's 2nd week sales are a litle underwhelming. Womanizer only dropped to 200k in it's 2nd week and it had half the airplay that HIAM has. Maybe it is because it's first week was so huge but the drop is still steep.
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Post by Riot on Jan 26, 2011 20:52:58 GMT -5
^ Wmz had a video out though. I think that actually staved off the decrease. Wmz debuted with 286k and came back second week with 200k. I actually think the video helped the song stay a float. Considering 3 sold 255k without a video, the Wmz video probably helped Wmz sell that extra 30k and minimize the decrease.
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Post by Eqbk on Jan 26, 2011 21:42:22 GMT -5
From Yahoo: Bruno Mars' "Grenade" returns to #1 on the Hot 100. It dethrones Britney Spears' "Hold It Against Me," which debuted at #1 last week. This is the third appearance at #1 for "Grenade" in the past five weeks. The mid-tempo ballad, which brings a dark undercurrent to Mars' usual sweet sensibility, is the first song to have three separate runs at #1 since T.I.'s 2008 smash "Live Your Life" (featuring Rihanna). "Grenade" has been the top-selling digital hit for five of the past six weeks. That constitutes the longest run at #1 on Hot Digital Songs since "Love The Way You Lie" by Eminem featuring Rihanna topped the chart for seven weeks last summer. It's the longest run for a hit by a male solo artist since Flo Rida's "Right Round" had six weeks on top in February and March 2009. "Grenade" is no more than two weeks away from topping the 3 million mark. Its sales currently stand at 2,758,000. After blasting onto the chart at #1 last week, Spears' "Hold It Against Me" drops to #6. That seems strange, but it's not unusual. The last seven songs to debut at #1 spent just that one frame in the lead position. "Hold It Against Me" follows Ke$ha's "We R Who We R," Eminem's "Not Afraid," Spears' "3," and the American Idol cluster of Taylor Hicks' "Do I Make You Proud," Carrie Underwood's "Inside Your Heaven" and Fantasia's "I Believe." In fact, eight of the 18 singles to enter the Hot 100 at #1 have been bumped off after just one week on top. The above six songs are joined by a pair of 1995 hits: Michael Jackson's "You Are Not Alone" and Whitney Houston's "Exhale (Shoop Shoop)." "Hey Baby (Drop It To The Floor)" by Pitbull featuring T-Pain vaults from #20 to #10 on this week's Hot 100. (It also tops the 1 million mark in paid downloads this week.) This is Pitbull's third top 10 hit as a lead artist, following "I Know You Want Me (Calle Ocho)" and "Hotel Room Service." Pitbull was also featured on a pair of top 10 hits last summer: Enrique Iglesias' "I Like It" and Usher's "DJ Got Us Fallin' In Love." This is the ninth top 10 hit on which T-Pain has had featured billing. Impressively, he supported a different artist on all eight hits. T-Pain's other top 10 hits as a featured artist are Plies' "Shawty," Baby Bash's "Cyclone," Chris Brown's "Kiss Kiss," Kanye West's "Good Life," Flo Rida's "Low," Lil Mama's "Shawty Get Loose (which also featured Chris Brown), Lil Wayne's "Got Money" and Jamie Foxx's "Blame It." Here's the low-down on this week's top 10 songs. 1. Bruno Mars, "Grenade." The song returns to #1 for a third frame in its 17th week on the chart. This is its ninth week in the top 10. Digital sales rank: #1 (204K). 2. Katy Perry, "Firework." The former #1 song rebounds from #3 to #2 in its 14th week. This is its 12th week in the top 10. Digital sales rank: #5 (163K). 3. Wiz Khalifa, "Black And Yellow." The song jumps from #5 to #3 in its 16th week. This is its fifth week in the top 10. Digital sales rank: #2 (201K). 4. Enrique Iglesias featuring Ludacris & DJ Frank E, "Tonight (I'm Lovin' You)." The song jumps from #6 to #4 in its ninth week. This is its fifth week in the top 10. Digital sales rank: #4 (167K). 5. Rihanna featuring Drake, "What's My Name?." The former #1 song dips from #4 to #5 in its 14th week. This is its 12th week in the top 10. Digital sales rank: #16 (93K). 6. Britney Spears, "Hold It Against Me." The song drops from #1 to #6 in its second week. Digital sales rank: #3 (183K). 7. Ke$ha, "We R Who We R." The former #1 song holds at #7 in its 13th week. It has been in the top 10 the entire time. Digital sales rank: #10 (123K). 8. P!nk, "Raise Your Glass." The former #1 song holds at #8 in its 16th week. This is its 14th week in the top 10. Digital sales rank: #15 (95K). 9. The Black Eyed Peas, "The Time (Dirty Bit)." The song holds at #9 in its 11th week. This is its ninth week in the top 10. Digital sales rank: #9 (137K). 10. Pitbull featuring T-Pain, "Hey Baby (Drop It To The Floor). The song vaults from #20 to #10 in its 17th week. This is Pitbull's fifth top 10 hit (combining lead and featured credits). It's T-Pain's 14th. Digital sales rank: #7 (141K). Bruno Mars' "Just The Way You Are" drops from #10 to #12, ending a 22-week run in the top 10. The warm ballad brought Mars a Grammy nomination for Best Male Pop Vocal Performance. Digital sales rank: #20 (82K). P!nk's "F**kin' Perfect" vaults from #30 to #11 in its fourth week on the Hot 100. It is vying to become the second song with the "F word" in the title to crack the top 10. Cee Lo Green's "F*** You ( Forget You)" peaked at #9 in December. (That Grammy-nominated smash moves back up from #22 to #20 in its 22nd week on the Hot 100.) "F**kin' Perfect" sold 144K copies this week, which put it at #6 on Hot Digital Songs. Diddy-Dirty Money featuring Skylar Grey's heartfelt "Coming Home" jumps from #19 to #13. The song sold 140K copies this week, which put it at #8 on Hot Digital Songs. Jason Aldean's "Don't You Wanna Stay" (with Kelly Clarkson) jumps from #43 to #39 in its 12th week. The song ranked #13 on last week's Hot Country Songs chart. This is Clarkson's second country hit. Four years ago, she and Reba McEntire teamed on a remake of Clarkson's 2005 pop hit "Because Of You." The remake reached #2 on the country chart and #50 on the Hot 100. Zac Brown Band's "Colder Weather" is the top new entry on the Hot 100 at #79. The Grammy-winning group first cracked the chart in 2008 with "Chicken Fried," which went top 20. James Blunt's "Stay The Night" enters the Hot 100 at #94. In addition, it's the top new entry on Hot Digital Songs at #78. Blunt's 2006 smash "You're Beautiful" has sold 2,712,000 copies. The ballad topped the Hot 100 in March 2006. It went on to receive Grammy nominations for both Record and Song of the Year. Song Scorecard: "Gold Digger," the 2005 smash by Kanye West featuring Jamie Foxx, tops the 3 million mark in paid downloads this week. It's West's third song to reach this milestone, following "Stronger" and "Heartless." It's Foxx's first. "Gold Digger" topped the Hot 100 for 10 weeks from September to November 2005 and received a Grammy nomination for Record of the Year. Rihanna's "What's My Name?" (featuring Drake) tops the 2 million mark in paid downloads this week. It's her 11th song to reach this plateau, which is more than any other artist. The Black Eyed Peas' "The Time (Dirty Bit)" also tops the 2 million mark in paid downloads this week. It's the group's seventh song to reach this plateau, which is more than any other group or duo. Nickelback is second with four 2-million sellers. The All-American Rejects, Rascal Flatts and the Pussycat Dolls are next in line with three each. Cee Lo Green's "F*** You (Forget You)" also tops the 2 million mark in paid downloads this week. This is Green's second song to hit this level, following Gnarls Barkley's 2006 smash "Crazy" (which has sold 2,882,000 copies). Both of these hits received Grammy nominations for Record of the Year. Three songs top the 1 million mark in paid downloads this week: Pitbull featuring T-Pain's "Hey Baby (Drop It To The Floor)," Lil Wayne featuring Cory Gunz's "6 Foot 7 Foot" and Christina Perri's "Jar Of Hearts." "6 Foot 7 Foot" dips from #11 to #14 on this week's Hot 100. "Jar Of Hearts" jumps from #28 to #26. new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/chart_watch/74284/week-ending-jan-23-2011-songs-mars-attacks/
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Post by d.t.m on Jan 26, 2011 21:47:28 GMT -5
I think Brit can pull Em-type numbers when she drops in March. It's crazy that they're both doing so well a dozen years into their careers.
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Post by leoapp on Jan 26, 2011 21:53:08 GMT -5
well, Womanizer dropped from 1-4 3 dropped from1-5 HIAM dropped from 1-6 A trend?
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Post by Riot on Jan 26, 2011 22:02:52 GMT -5
I think Brit can pull Em-type numbers when she drops in March. It's crazy that they're both doing so well a dozen years into their careers. Way too high IMO. Eminem's last two efforts sold 610k and 740k respectively. I don't think Britney's selling near that amount. Even if Britney did have a 20% increase in first week sales that would leave her at around 610k a number she hasn't done since ' Zone' which was released in 2003, in the final quarter of the year which usually has higher sales. I think she will do ' Play On' numbers, around 320k, with the possibility to trend upward towards ' It Won't Be Soon Before Long' no.'s around 430k.
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Post by kingofpain on Jan 26, 2011 22:13:18 GMT -5
Good to see James Blunt in the Hot 100, I love that song.
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Post by Eqbk on Jan 26, 2011 22:21:24 GMT -5
This is the third appearance at #1 for "Grenade" in the past five weeks. The mid-tempo ballad, which brings a dark undercurrent to Mars' usual sweet sensibility, is the first song to have three separate runs at #1 since T.I.'s 2008 smash "Live Your Life" (featuring Rihanna). Just noticed this but Britney was also part of interruption that got Live Your Life 3 separate runs at the top as well. What a coincidence that she's part of the interruption for both of the latest songs w/ 3 separate runs at the summit.
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Post by jamrock16 on Jan 26, 2011 22:27:09 GMT -5
^^Yeah that's neat. Have any songs had 4+ seprate runs at #1 on the Hot 100?
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Post by leoapp on Jan 26, 2011 22:29:27 GMT -5
^^Yeah that's neat. Have any songs had 4+ seprate runs at #1 on the Hot 100? Maybe Grenade will be the first to do it? Pink may hit #1 next week and Grenade may hit #1 again after that.
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Post by Mike on Jan 26, 2011 23:05:28 GMT -5
P!nk needs to sell at a minimum like 75-80K more than Bruno next week to take the top spot. Unless she really pulls ahead on iTunes in the next few days, I think he might hang on to the top spot for another week.
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