Lozzy
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Post by Lozzy on May 6, 2011 6:16:34 GMT -5
Well they're definitely st00pid if they dump Judas, and I'm sticking with that. I hope Judas can still smash somehow. Well, they did film that amazing video, so I wouldn't understand why if they plan on abandoning it. Also, on the topic of that masterpiece, the money they spent on that will have to come from somewhere - which I fear will come straight out of the potential budget for Single #3 clip.
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Post by albes on May 6, 2011 6:17:30 GMT -5
It looks like it's time to move on. #18 on iTunes. Yes, wasn't it #29 yesterday? Just before the video release was already #25 because of Glee songs falling. To climb a few spots after the video release when you are out of the top 20 is not that difficult. The pop bars are really close between #13 and #21. I remember HIAM climbed from #21 to #12 but never made it inside the top 10. We have to wait a couple of days to see the video effect, even more in europe.
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Post by jink on May 6, 2011 6:18:46 GMT -5
albes is right. I believe Telephone hovered on iTunes a few days after the video release before climbing, so we can't be sure just yet.
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Post by Az Paynter on May 6, 2011 6:23:16 GMT -5
I'm on the fence about this. I want Judas to turn around and smash so certain people can STFU but at the same time GaGa needs to crash and burn for once so maybe she can take a hint and GTF over herself and the whole persona/image/context of this era so far (which clearly is starting to backfire on her).
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2011 6:25:56 GMT -5
^I completely agree. It's not good for an artist to smash with everything, everyone needs a flop now and then. Then again, a second single flop isn't the best single to flop with, but..
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Post by Black Jesus on May 6, 2011 7:06:04 GMT -5
Looks like its time for Interscope to start paying off some stations...and I'm kinda serious :/
Lady Gaga will appear on American Idol next week to mentor the remaining four finalists, it has been announced. The singer will join her record label boss Jimmy Iovine in guiding the contestants before their live performances Wednesday night. Later this month, Gaga herself will take the Idol stage to perform a song from her upcoming album Born This Way, in stores May 23rd. Stay tuned for more details and be sure to watch Lady Gaga’s new music video for “Judas,” if you haven’t yet!
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Post by Black Jesus on May 6, 2011 7:12:12 GMT -5
WOAH. VEVO view count ALREADY: 2,239,342. How long has it been up? Like 16 hours?
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Post by sbk on May 6, 2011 7:13:06 GMT -5
I think that TF/TFM sales warrant for Gaga to have backing from her label for at least 3-4 albums. Exactly. I feel like she kind of already avoided the sophomore slump with The Fame Monster. #15 on iTunes
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Post by August on May 6, 2011 7:16:42 GMT -5
I work at MTV and a bunch of us had predicted that Lady Gaga would not have a long "shelf-life" because she was too gimmicky, but was the hot thing of the moment. My prediction was that the first single off the second album would do fantastic because she was really just riding on momentum, but then interest from the public would drop off after that. It seems that might be just what is happening.
I like to see anyone with good talent do well and she is very talented, but I think her last few interviews have not helped her. She has also been shoving herself down everyone's throats non-stop for about 3 years and maybe folks are getting over it. Who knows? Public taste is very fickle. So I am not entirely surprised to see this song not perform that strongly, combined with the fact that I personally don't think it is as good as her previous output.
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Post by jumpb4uthink on May 6, 2011 7:31:24 GMT -5
In my opinion Judas is a Gaga song and video that breaths life into the world of music. It is what it is. Intriguing and different.
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Post by Felicia on May 6, 2011 7:36:03 GMT -5
The video is pretty good. It's not over the top like her previous ones (by her standards lol).
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Post by walker on May 6, 2011 7:41:01 GMT -5
remix time anyone? ... lol just kidding. Lets give the music video some time before we write this song off. There's also that American Idol performance.
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Lozzy
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Post by Lozzy on May 6, 2011 7:47:53 GMT -5
WOAH. VEVO view count ALREADY: 2,239,342. How long has it been up? Like 16 hours? WOAH :O. That shows there's definitely some interest around.
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Post by Hefty Hanna on May 6, 2011 7:50:24 GMT -5
I think this may be over. Bring on 'Marry the Night'; I can't wait to hear that! I'll also be tuning in to Idol next week if she actually does wind up mentoring. Maybe somebody will finally give Haley credit for being the best one left. She did sing 'You and I' this week and she did a pretty good job. I'm sure it won't go unnoticed. LMFAO!!! This was so perfectly executed. Britney's face could have been a different set of paparazzi shots but other than that, terrific job to whoever made it.
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Post by unwritten on May 6, 2011 7:51:54 GMT -5
I think the song is good. Not as good as her previous songs, but better than half of the songs in the Top 15. But the problem are the lyrics. The song is fun, but honestly I don't find the message of the song connected with the song. Maybe people are not interested in a song about "Judas" lol...don't tell me that the lyrics does not matter...maybe if they are not repetitive.But when someone is singing "Judas. Judaaas" for half of the song is just impossible to not pay attention.
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Post by giancarlo on May 6, 2011 8:17:10 GMT -5
This gif is pure genius! Did you make it, LOVE?
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Post by Feelin'.$$$hady on May 6, 2011 8:31:35 GMT -5
Good timing is everything. She could have avoided a LOT of the backlash by just finishing the never ending tour and disappearing completely from the public eye for about 6-8 months. After that people would eat up whatever sh*t song she'd release (see California Guuurls). But that doesn't work for narcissistic people obsessed with their own press i guess. Gaga's inability to relinquish the spotlight even for a second is her biggest enemy atm.
Interscope has done same mistake with BEP already. Will they finally learn this time? You have to give people chance to miss you after monster era like Gaga/BEP have had.
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Post by Mack on May 6, 2011 8:31:40 GMT -5
if the album doesn't perform that well (like Taylor Swift's latest album, who had huge hype and opening numbers but is all but forgotten now) LOL, no.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on May 6, 2011 8:31:51 GMT -5
Gaga needs to be normal now otherwise she is going to fade away and people are going to get tired of her gimmick. What happened to her just being normal? I thought BTW represented her going back to being normal and releasing good songs without the gimmick. I'm sorry but both BTW and Judas are better than LoveGame, Paparazzi, and Alejandro.
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Post by Hierophant on May 6, 2011 8:57:37 GMT -5
I think the problem here is not she being normal or not. The problem here is the song. This is not that good. Actualy, it is bad!
Anyway.. I see it at #15 (itunes)
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Post by jazzyskye10² on May 6, 2011 9:09:52 GMT -5
I will never understand people (a) wanting a artist to flop and (b) become run of the mill. It's like this person has had too much success and they must be humbled ie ridiculous. Gaga worked hard to get to where she is at and while she has always had detractors they have really started to show their teeth this era.
It's fine she's well aware of this (see 60 minutes interview with Anderson Cooper) but what I think is funny is that people think that if Gaga flops that she will suddenly have to 'clean up her image' (I didn't know it was dirty) like really? I mean the reality is that Gaga will never be a run of the mill popstar and I personally wouldn't want her to be.
I think Judas is a great song and I love the video. Hopefully it will do better in tomorrows update.
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Post by Sir LOVE IX on May 6, 2011 9:14:54 GMT -5
This gif is pure genius! Did you make it, LOVE? no i just found it
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Post by jazzyskye10² on May 6, 2011 9:15:37 GMT -5
Video Review: Lady Gaga's "Judas"After the epic creation myth of Mother Monster in "Born This Way," the video for Lady Gaga's "Judas" feels modest by comparison; here she's merely co-opting the foundational story of the entire Christian faith. Gaga presents the video as "a motorcycle Fellini movie," and in a sense, that's precisely what we get. She's invoked the Italian auteur in the past, notably with the gigantic fish setpiece of her Monster Ball Tour, and Fellini's influence is apparent here in the pushing of Catholic iconography to lurid excess. But there's also the hand of another Italian Catholic in the mix: like Martin Scorsese's adaptation of The Last Temptation of Christ, "Judas" centers the Passion narrative on the titular betrayer (played by Norman Reedus) and shifts the focus of the story away from violent spectacle toward sublimated sexual urgency. Interspersed throughout the dance-heavy video—directed by Laurieann Gibson, Gaga's longtime choreographer—is the story of Jesus (Rick Gonzalez) and his apostles, reconfigured as an outlaw motorcycle gang with Gaga as Mary Magdalene. Gaga leans heavily on the iconography: Jesus is crowned with glittering, jewel-encrusted thorns, and there are golden crosses strewn all over the place. It's music video as mystery play, taking advantage of the form's penchant for slow motion and rapid cutting to present the story in a series of imagistic tableaux. The crowded paranoia of the Last Supper is obscured and replaced with the intimate washing of feet. The scene is an elemental ménage a trois with the clash of fire and water, of Judas and Jesus, with Gaga caught in the middle. It's the only time the video halts the hammering beat of the track, intercutting the scene with a linked pair of images: Jesus marching toward his fatal destiny and Gaga sinking under the overwhelming force of a crashing wave. Gaga Magdalene is also caught in the middle during the final confrontation, where she holds the power in the form of a golden gun, an image borrowed from Steven Klein and his work on "Alejandro," but also recalling the church-bell machine guns of "Born This Way." Gaga makes her choice by refusing to shoot Judas through the heart, instead using the lipstick-loaded gun to paint his mouth red. The erotic tension in the scene bubbles to the surface as Judas's crimson-smeared lips mark Jesus for death, and Gaga plays the melodrama to the hilt with a silent, anguished cry. As always, the whole production is visually stunning, and there's an illicit energy that comes from putting Gaga-as-Magdalene center stage. The video ends with the death of neither Judas nor Jesus, but of Gaga as she's stoned to death by the crowd. The action carries its own symbolic weight, but who knows what the results would have been had Gaga taken the same bold-yet-possibly-misguided step as Nas or the Beatles and refashioned herself as Gaga Christ? Here, as in Scorsese's work, Gaga injects eroticism into the Christ story not to blaspheme, but to actually display a respect for the work, evoking the passion in all its forms. For all its beauty, however, "Judas" is the work of a repertory, not a revolutionary. It takes familiar swatches from Gaga's palette (the leather-and-chain aesthetic of "Telephone"; the plaintive, tear-stained camera stare of "Bad Romance") and puts them all together for a competently executed work. It's Born This Way's "LoveGame": an energetic clip that effectively translates the track into visual form, with a few powerful grace notes to recommend it, but it leaves open the possibility that the album's true visual signature is still yet to come. Link: www.slantmagazine.com/house/2011/05/video-review-lady-gagas-judas/
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Post by NeRD on May 6, 2011 9:32:04 GMT -5
Not looking good.
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Post by sbk on May 6, 2011 9:34:10 GMT -5
Judas #14 BTW #15
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2011 9:36:44 GMT -5
omg Christina. Gaga was given 100% control over the first two singles. After BTW started to free fall, they were banking on Judas becoming the big hit that would sail through the release of the album. That hasn't happened, and it probably won't happen, thus "The Edge of Glory" was chosen by Jimmy and Gaga. The only way it will be a "promo single" is if it doesn't take off. And for the record, another possible future single will hit iTunes on May 19... Yeah, tbh I find this "promo" single talk a bit ridic because we all know if it was to take off on radio that the label would rush to dub it the 3rd single due to reception and due to the fact that her current single is failing. It's not rocket science that she needs a new single on radio now. Whether or not EOG is the planned 3rd single at this point, it seems most like they're testing it out with the public for that reason to see if they really want to go with that and if not, like you said, they'll prob try something else later down the line (although I think she needs a new single before May 19) I really don't get why so many of her fans take it as a bad thing that they want to release something else when "Judas" is clearly going nowhere. I mean, do ya'll want her to stay with this dud on her hands until the album release?
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Post by SPRΞΞ on May 6, 2011 9:40:21 GMT -5
i am absolutely shocked by the updates...SHOCKED! :o It certainly doesn't deserve to do this bad.
it's up to #14 on iTunes tho. So that's a plus.
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Post by josh on May 6, 2011 10:01:25 GMT -5
I think this is the best that she's looked in a video.
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Post by Ace on May 6, 2011 10:04:43 GMT -5
I'm sure the video will help boost the song...but I'm guessing it has hit its peak and won't really get much farther.
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Post by Cerbius on May 6, 2011 10:09:39 GMT -5
I hope the video gets people to warm up to the song big time, cause it certainly doesn't look good right now. I'm just beyond shocked to see negative updates for this song already.
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