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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on May 6, 2011 10:30:12 GMT -5
I'm just under the impression that rushing a new single will seem like they're pulling straws or trying to cover up a flop. It'll look desperate for the team. I'd say wait until the middle of June at least. Wait until the video is past news and don't only rely on pop radio. Judas still has the focus of people right now.
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Post by bibliotheque on May 6, 2011 10:36:45 GMT -5
They'll also send another song out the week after next, but that won't make it the fourth single. These are just promo singles. There's no way they'll give up on Judas this quickly after the release of her best video yet
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Post by when the pawn... on May 6, 2011 10:38:02 GMT -5
+22 on Real Time so far today. Hopefully that keeps up and it can go top 10 on iTunes.
Mentoring on American Idol next week.
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Post by bibliotheque on May 6, 2011 10:57:30 GMT -5
13. Judas - Lady Gaga +15 since pre-video
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Post by blue in moonlight on May 6, 2011 10:59:52 GMT -5
In regards to moving on to the next single, I see both sides of the coin. I understand Interscope wanting to move on to the next single because the response to this one has been underwhelming so close to the album release. BTW's slight rebound and softened fall certainly doesn't help. I think more people enjoy that track more than some folks make it seem.
On the other hand, I also think "Judas" is the sort of song that needs time to marinate. Though it has a classic Gaga hook, it's jarring for most people on first few listens compared to anything she's released thus far. She also has to work past people simply reading entirely too much into the song and misjudging it as anti-Christian/Catholic without concentrating on the meaning of the lyrical content. This is a conundrum she's worked herself into with this particular single by re-visiting religious imagery and using Biblical characters in her lyrics.
Thematically, "Judas" is very similar to "Bad Romance." But many people that didn't have pause singing "I want your Psycho, your Vertigo schtick" might not feel that same way about Biblical references. I think it's silly but this is the price you pay being a high risk/high reward sort of artist. Not everything is going to stick or be immediately appreciated.
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Post by chartfreak on May 6, 2011 11:08:01 GMT -5
Lady Gaga is a character. She is in character mode 24/7. If she was Steph G. on the weekends maybe some would not be turned off by her.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on May 6, 2011 11:13:59 GMT -5
i can understand why Idol pulled the video. The AI viewing crowd is a lot different than the youtube crowd.
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Post by JayBoozer on May 6, 2011 11:19:24 GMT -5
I'm really starting to think that the religious references are part of why this song is not doing well. She took a risk, and it seems like its backfired. It sucks because I still think its one of her best songs AND videos.
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Post by blue in moonlight on May 6, 2011 11:21:53 GMT -5
i can understand why Idol pulled the video. The AI viewing crowd is a lot different than the youtube crowd. I can understand why AI was leery of airing the video. Still, I believe it would have been helpful if people outside of her core audience like many who watch AI saw how relatively innocuous the video is. This track needed that sort of large-scaled exposure and Interscope should have fought hard for it. I assume they did.
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Post by bibliotheque on May 6, 2011 11:24:07 GMT -5
Post-video iTunes bump (so far): #2 Mexico (+4) #6 Sweden (+4) #7 Spain (+7) #10 Canada (+4) #10 Japan (-2) #11 Ireland (+13) #11 Greece (+20) #12 Finland (+1) #12 France (+9) #13 US (+15) #13 Norway (+2) #14 Australia (+5) #14 Belgium (+5) #14 Denmark (+23) #14 Italy (+14) #15 New Zealand (+15) #15 Austria (+26) #18 UK (+8) #19 Switzerland (+10) #28 Netherlands (+18) #39 Germany (+8) #41 Portugal (+97) #61 Luxembourg (+96)
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Post by jink on May 6, 2011 11:24:48 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing, bibliotheque!
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Post by hitseeker. on May 6, 2011 11:25:05 GMT -5
Glad this is going up on Itunes, the video is definitely helping, so that's a positive aspect :)
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Post by SPRΞΞ on May 6, 2011 11:25:50 GMT -5
it would've done more harm than good. Just think of all the fathers and mothers and cougars out there watching. And then show a video with the words "JUDAS" plastered on a biker, and then a latino with a crown of thorns. With only one viewing, i'm sure there would be a lot of people turned off by that. It's just too much for a show like that.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2011 11:38:19 GMT -5
it would've done more harm than good. Just think of all the fathers and mothers and cougars out there watching. And then show a video with the words "JUDAS" plastered on a biker, and then a latino with a crown of thorns. With only one viewing, i'm sure there would be a lot of people turned off by that. It's just too much for a show like that. It's 22 years since Madonna scandalized the world with her "Like A Prayer" video. The teenagers who appalled their parents with their love of Madonna's shock tactics are now themselves parents with teenage children and surely a lot of them are Idol viewers. Why would the same people who lapped up Madonna's controversy be turned off by Lady Gaga's? Wouldn't they at the very least be indifferent to it, with many of them surely enjoying it for similar reasons they loved the Queen of Pop doing the same things two decades ago? This a genuine question and not me belittling what you're saying. Is there any evidence that people who were fans of Madonna when they were teenagers are turned off by Lady Gaga for being "controversial" in the same ways now? I'm talking about real people, not stans on the internet who automatically hate anyone they view as a threat or copycat.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on May 6, 2011 11:44:36 GMT -5
of course there is no evidence, but it looks as if Idol fears a backlash and potential ratings drop if they fully support the video. Even though it's nothing in terms of shock value, for a one-time-viewing, it might do more harm than good. There's gotta be a reason. What do you think it is?
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Post by bibliotheque on May 6, 2011 11:45:20 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2011 11:46:01 GMT -5
of course there is no evidence, but it looks as if Idol fears a backlash and potential ratings drop if they fully support the video. Even though it's nothing in terms of shock value, for a one-time-viewing, it might do more harm than good. There's gotta be a reason. What do you think it is? I have no idea. I'm not even really following the whole thing, I was just thinking out loud.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on May 6, 2011 11:48:15 GMT -5
will her label send EOG to radio by Monday if Judas doesn't pick up? It looks as tho it may oveshadow Judas if it's good and radio friendly.
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Post by Rodze on May 6, 2011 11:59:16 GMT -5
A conjecture, but if the label is pushing the new song is because maybe they already tried to buy stations for Judas and they are being resistant to it (for whatever reasons).
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Post by jink on May 6, 2011 12:01:05 GMT -5
A conjecture, but if the label is pushing the new song is because maybe they already tried to buy stations for Judas and they are being resistant to it (for whatever reasons). What do you mean by "buy"? Payola?
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Post by nightshade on May 6, 2011 12:06:06 GMT -5
I'm so excited for Edge of Glory!
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2011 12:17:16 GMT -5
^ Me too :DDD
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2011 12:22:04 GMT -5
I'm really starting to think that the religious references are part of why this song is not doing well. She took a risk, and it seems like its backfired. It sucks because I still think its one of her best songs AND videos. Same. :/
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Post by hitseeker. on May 6, 2011 12:25:28 GMT -5
I don't care if this is flopping or not, I still love this to death and have been playing it quite frequently
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Post by jink on May 6, 2011 12:26:54 GMT -5
I don't care if this is flopping or not, I still love this to death and have been playing it quote frequently Same here.
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Post by nightshade on May 6, 2011 12:33:21 GMT -5
Oh and to everyone who has said that she needs this so she can be grounded or whatever dumb reason you think she needs to flop. One flop or even a slew of flops won't change her or her music. I still maintain the belief that this album will be [one of] the best pop album(s) of the year.
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Post by ₫anny Jerz ♔ on May 6, 2011 12:33:25 GMT -5
This song is not very good but I didn't expect it to die on radio so quickly. At least the fantastic video is causing a digital boost.
I'm sure they're tossing "Edge of Glory" out there and waiting for reception to that one before officially declaring it the new single. They're going to be a lot more cautious with the rest of the era and try to cater to what the public wants from Gaga.
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Post by jink on May 6, 2011 12:34:53 GMT -5
I could see a performance of "Edge of Glory" on Idol helping the album quite a bit.
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Post by slw84 on May 6, 2011 12:38:13 GMT -5
if the album doesn't perform that well (like Taylor Swift's latest album, who had huge hype and opening numbers but is all but forgotten now) LOL, no. Taylor is just suffering Jr-it is. Like Britney's third album 'Britney'. Tswift was too overexposed. Although selling 3mil right away ...it is not picking up much more steam...she should take a.6 month break after this.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on May 6, 2011 13:33:34 GMT -5
I love this video! Terrific!!! Gaga looks fantastic and the video is great! :o Totally revived my interest in the song.
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