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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on May 15, 2011 20:05:16 GMT -5
I don't care what ANYONE says, Dirrty was NOT a flop. You can't convince me otherwise so don't even try. The other examples you listed are fair examples though. Lukewarm reception and #48 for a lead single is a giant flop. Especially whne your last single was a #1 collaboration. Why is it so hard to say it flopped? I think it's interesting how badly "Dirrty" did and how amazingly well "Beautiful" did. Lukewarm reception, maybe, but it did well in the clubs, the video got LOADS of attention and it hit #14 before reaching the ability to go recurrent on CHR/Pop. Sure it wasn't a monster blockbuster hit but even today it reigns as one of Christina's most memorable hits. It did what it was meant to do as a first single for the project and that was draw attention to the fact that Stripped wasn't going to be the bubblegum cookie-cutter record that her debut was. It did a fabulous job.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on May 15, 2011 20:12:26 GMT -5
Dirrty was definitely much bigger than the numbers showed. I feel like it is one clear example of radio rejecting a song too quickly that later grew to be one of her signature hits and really well-liked. I wish digital sales had been around at that time because I would bet anyone the entire contents of my bank account that Dirrty would have done really well digitally. I have seen it happen time and time again since digital sales took over-songs that aren't immediately embraced, but people do click with it so it sells, and then radio embraces more.
It would be an interesting topic to discuss songs that were bigger hits than just their numbers show-like, it is cool to me that some of the songs that are classics today actually didn't really do that well originally.
This is a Judas topic though-I think Judas will turn in Gaga's first real flop, but it also gave us an awesome video that people liked and I do think it will be a staple of her live concerts. This thing ROCKS live. Sucks it had to flop, but I don't think Gaga is going to turn away from it with shame or anything.
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Post by Lozzy on May 16, 2011 6:02:11 GMT -5
MONDAY 5/16 UPDATE
15 17 LADY GAGA Judas 3787 5114 -1327 17.745 – 284 Spins – 405 Bullet – 2.737 Audience
Really bad, especially in audience. It looks like it'll fall below 'Born This Way' in 2 or 3 days.
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Post by lum on May 16, 2011 6:12:01 GMT -5
Such a sad fact that this completely died. The video and live performances made me love it a lot more.
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Post by Sir LOVE IX on May 16, 2011 6:42:04 GMT -5
lol that means if you are not Katy Perry you need to watch out what song you are releasing to radio
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Post by Lozzy on May 16, 2011 6:45:31 GMT -5
lol that means if you are not Katy Perry you need to watch out what song you are releasing to radio If 'Judas' can do this badly, it shows that even Katy isn't immune to flops.
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Post by Kii on May 16, 2011 6:49:18 GMT -5
lol that means if you are not Katy Perry you need to watch out what song you are releasing to radio If 'Judas' can do this badly, it shows that even Katy isn't immune to flops. Mhm. Didn't this peak similar or higher than Thinking Of You? Homegorl Katy's already had a "flop", if this is the standard we're going by.
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Post by Sir LOVE IX on May 16, 2011 6:53:20 GMT -5
Judas peak after 7th day so thats the definition of flop, well may RTW is, this at least sold quite a lot.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2011 7:03:05 GMT -5
If 'Judas' can do this badly, it shows that even Katy isn't immune to flops. Mhm. Didn't this peak similar or higher than Thinking Of You? HomeGirl Katy's already had a "flop", if this is the standard we're going by. I'm 99% sure it had more overall spins before going recurrent than this will have. And also, that was coming off of a #2 and a #1, but Judas came off 7 almost consecutive #1s.
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Post by Lozzy on May 16, 2011 7:13:05 GMT -5
If 'Judas' can do this badly, it shows that even Katy isn't immune to flops. Mhm. Didn't this peak similar or higher than Thinking Of You? HomeGirl Katy's already had a "flop", if this is the standard we're going by. Ahhhhhh, that made #19 and spent 11 weeks in the top 40, I believe. I'd call 'Judas' a bigger flop/underperformer than that though, because honestly, 'Judas' is much more fitted to CHR than that. Interesting you've still got that stuck in your mind though.
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Post by Ky on May 16, 2011 12:39:50 GMT -5
Mhm. Didn't this peak similar or higher than Thinking Of You? HomeGirl Katy's already had a "flop", if this is the standard we're going by. Katy Perry's third single flopping hardly seems like a big deal. If she were to flop now coming off of 4 number 1s, THAT would be a big deal. Kind of like Gaga underperforming with this single. Definitely not a big gaga fan here, and I'm glad that something I didn't enjoy didn't do well just because of who it was.
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Post by nightshade on May 16, 2011 12:47:21 GMT -5
Katy Perry's third single flopping hardly seems like a big deal. If she were to flop now coming off of 4 number 1s, THAT would be a big deal. Kind of like Gaga underperforming with this single. A flop is a flop. It is what it is.
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Post by fridayteenage on May 16, 2011 13:09:13 GMT -5
"If she were to flop now coming off of 4 number 1s, THAT would be a big deal. Kind of like Gaga underperforming with this single."
Well, Gaga's not coming off 4 number 1's.
Her 3 singles are weirdly close: LADY GAGA Born This Way 17.820 LADY GAGA Judas 17.745 The Edge Of Glory 1708 0 1708 15.790
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Post by beautynumber2 on May 16, 2011 14:14:25 GMT -5
Dirrty was definitely much bigger than the numbers showed. I feel like it is one clear example of radio rejecting a song too quickly that later grew to be one of her signature hits and really well-liked. I wish digital sales had been around at that time because I would bet anyone the entire contents of my bank account that Dirrty would have done really well digitally. I have seen it happen time and time again since digital sales took over-songs that aren't immediately embraced, but people do click with it so it sells, and then radio embraces more. It would be an interesting topic to discuss songs that were bigger hits than just their numbers show-like, it is cool to me that some of the songs that are classics today actually didn't really do that well originally. This is a Judas topic though-I think Judas will turn in Gaga's first real flop, but it also gave us an awesome video that people liked and I do think it will be a staple of her live concerts. This thing ROCKS live. Sucks it had to flop, but I don't think Gaga is going to turn away from it with shame or anything. Ok I understand. I just thought it was me that liked "Dirrty." I'm trying to be subjective because on the books it's an A1 FLOP. Can we say the song flopped the video was a hit?
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Post by HEADOFTHEPACK on May 16, 2011 14:17:56 GMT -5
Interesting you've still got that stuck in your mind though. That is an absolute farce of a song and deserved and even lower peak. I'm glad she scored another #1 from that album, because TOY coming off two massive singles like IKAG/HNC... no no KP. Also, Dirrty = hit. It's one of her signature songs. It's chart-run in the US may not correlate with that, but, whatever.
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Post by J. Rob on May 16, 2011 16:52:33 GMT -5
Wow....I actually like this more than Born This Way. I'm shocked and disappointed that it's bombing so badly
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Post by Kishi KCM on May 16, 2011 19:31:24 GMT -5
Definitely not a big gaga fan here, and I'm glad that something I didn't enjoy didn't do well just because of who it was. Sit down.
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Post by Heartless Angel on May 16, 2011 19:45:54 GMT -5
lol that means if you are not Katy Perry you need to watch out what song you are releasing to radio LOL...I thought this too. It seems Katy has become the new Gaga...maybe that is why Gaga has not been able to come back like before because now CHR/Pop has a new girl to play out.
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Post by Black Jesus on May 16, 2011 19:49:52 GMT -5
Definitely not a big gaga fan here, and I'm glad that something I didn't enjoy didn't do well just because of who it was. LAWL!
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Post by xxfetchmonsterxx on May 16, 2011 22:46:21 GMT -5
Definitely not a big gaga fan here, and I'm glad that something I didn't enjoy didn't do well just because of who it was. Haters to the LEFT.
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Post by Lozzy on May 17, 2011 5:34:23 GMT -5
TUESDAY 5/17 UPDATE
15 18 LADY GAGA Judas 3466 5063 -1597 15.709 – 321 Spins – 270 Bullet – 2.036 Audience
Keeps getting even worse and worse. :'( 'Born This Way' got a -55 today, so this will most likely fall below it tomorrow.
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Post by Spidey on May 17, 2011 18:43:11 GMT -5
I'm surprised at how much of a fail this single has been.
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Post by Lozzy on May 18, 2011 5:57:32 GMT -5
WEDNESDAY 5/18 UPDATE
15 23 LADY GAGA Judas 3058 4971 -1913 13.056 – 408 Spins – 316 Bullet – 2.653 Audience
Falls 5 positions today and is now below 'Born this Way' (#20). 'The Edge of Glory' (#29) could pass this by the weekend too. :'(
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Post by #LisaRinna on May 18, 2011 9:47:50 GMT -5
Pop radio
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Post by onefrayedrepublic on May 18, 2011 10:50:20 GMT -5
WEDNESDAY 5/18 UPDATE15 23 LADY GAGA Judas 3058 4971 -1913 13.056 – 408 Spins – 316 Bullet – 2.653 Audience :o Nice to know that, for once, radio won't play a crappy song even if it by a star.
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Post by Hussy on May 18, 2011 22:26:05 GMT -5
OMGGG -408 spins ouchhhh this is really harshhh
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Post by Lozzy on May 19, 2011 6:31:19 GMT -5
THURSDAY 5/19 UPDATE
15 26 LADY GAGA Judas 2638 4806 -2168 10.950 – 420 Spins – 255 Bullet – 2.106 Audience
This is so terrible. :'(
'The Edge of Glory' is #27 and 'Born this Way' is #20 today, by the way.
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Post by musicissalvation on May 19, 2011 7:20:43 GMT -5
THURSDAY 5/19 UPDATE– 420 Spins :o :o :o :o
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2011 8:47:48 GMT -5
:o :o :o :o -2534 WMN Rihanna -2493 HIAM Britney Spears -2471 S&M Rihanna -2442 BTW Lady Gaga -2168 Judas Lady Gaga :( If she keeps falling 400/day she might pass WMN
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Post by HEADOFTHEPACK on May 19, 2011 8:49:41 GMT -5
Painful, but hardly surprising. It's basically been entirely dropped.
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