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Post by will on Apr 11, 2011 9:57:55 GMT -5
S&M Remix on i-tunes tonight. Battle between Katy & rihanna.
I think Katy will be #1 next week. She needs to sell 20k more than s&m.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Apr 11, 2011 10:39:04 GMT -5
Not really...Glee tracks hit #1 all the time. Do you think radio should play those? Are those even solicited to radio? Doesn't matter. Radio will play it if the listeners want to hear it. That's the bottom line. They have no hunt in the game accept for generating the most audience it possibly can. They aren't going to start playing a song out of the gate from an act that isn't currently established at radio unless there are sustained high sales as is the case with On The Floor. It's unrealistic to expect radio to jump on On The Floor initially. That's the bottom line. |
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Post by HolidayGuy on Apr 11, 2011 10:48:07 GMT -5
Wow- RiRi's label looks like it will go to any lengths to snare those No. 1s. It's like Mimi and her labels all over again.  |
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Post by Honeymoon on Apr 11, 2011 10:52:28 GMT -5
Are those even solicited to radio? Doesn't matter. Radio will play it if the listeners want to hear it. That's the bottom line. They have no hunt in the game accept for generating the most audience it possibly can. I don't know either way sounds like an unfair comparison. There's a difference between a song being in the iTunes top ten for a few days like the Glee songs and spending weeks upon weeks in the top ten/twenty (like J-Lo or Adele) and radio resisting. Glee songs have built-in expiration dates from the time they air on TV, every radio programmer knows that... |
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Post by bibliotheque on Apr 11, 2011 11:18:45 GMT -5
S&M Remix on i-tunes tonight. Battle between Katy & rihanna. I think Katy will be #1 next week. She needs to sell 20k more than s&m. By the end of the tracking period their airplay will be roughly tied and Katy is outselling Rihanna at 2:1 on iTunes so it'll be interesting to see how the remix does. |
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Post by #LisaRinna on Apr 11, 2011 12:01:20 GMT -5
Wow- RiRi's label looks like it will go to any lengths to snare those No. 1s. It's like Mimi and her labels all over again. It's the same label, sooo |
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Apr 11, 2011 12:26:22 GMT -5
After seeing what Katy is doing on both Airplay and iTunes, is going to take something crazy for Riri to top her. I don't even think Britney will even be enough.
This will be her week to do it, cause next week its off limits.
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Post by elementd5 on Apr 11, 2011 12:44:09 GMT -5
Wow- RiRi's label looks like it will go to any lengths to snare those No. 1s. It's like Mimi and her labels all over again. It's the same label, sooo No, it isn't. |
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Post by Resident_Evil on Apr 11, 2011 12:45:37 GMT -5
here comes R n B for the no 1 spot  |
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Post by will on Apr 11, 2011 12:46:06 GMT -5
Katy sold 400k last week. That's huge. It's not easy to beat katy.
Next week is between Judas and Katy.
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Post by felipe on Apr 11, 2011 14:45:27 GMT -5
After seeing what Katy is doing on both Airplay and iTunes, is going to take something crazy for Riri to top her. I don't even think Britney will even be enough. This will be her week to do it, cause next week its off limits. I think if Rihanna really wants to guarantee that #1 she should lower the price to 25 cents. It would be a bummer if she got so close and lost it by a few points. |
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Post by Kishi KCM on Apr 11, 2011 14:50:36 GMT -5
It's the same label, sooo No, it isn't. They are both part of the same company. |
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Post by pnobelysk on Apr 11, 2011 14:52:34 GMT -5
After seeing what Katy is doing on both Airplay and iTunes, is going to take something crazy for Riri to top her. I don't even think Britney will even be enough. This will be her week to do it, cause next week its off limits. I think if Rihanna really wants to guarantee that #1 she should lower the price to 25 cents. It would be a bummer if she got so close and lost it by a few points. haha they wont cut the price that low, that never happens, the lowest u ever reall see is 69 cents. and cutting it that low would just look desparate. hope the britney remix is enough, dont throw out everything you have and look desparate |
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Post by d.t.m on Apr 11, 2011 15:42:09 GMT -5
If there is no performance IDJ should have lowered it to 99 cents for the debut week only, but we'll see how this fares. The real question is how Katy really feels about this?
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Post by Heartless Angel on Apr 11, 2011 15:51:56 GMT -5
They are both part of the same company. Maybe he is saying no since most of Mariah's #1s came from when she was with Columbia. She's only had 3 w/IDJ and IMO those were tried and true with no chart manipulation tricks or remixes to help them out. |
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Post by elementd5 on Apr 11, 2011 15:59:42 GMT -5
They are both part of the same company. Only 3 of Mariah's #1s came under Def Jam. And only the latter two of those used a 'gimmick' ie: repression. The rest of Mariah's #1s were under Sony. Rihanna (Def Jam) is under Universal. |
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Post by California Cheers on Apr 11, 2011 16:22:22 GMT -5
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Post by worldwide on Apr 11, 2011 16:23:31 GMT -5
They are both part of the same company. Only 3 of Mariah's #1s came under Def Jam. And only the latter two of those used a 'gimmick' ie: repression. The rest of Mariah's #1s were under Sony. Rihanna (Def Jam) is under Universal. exactly. only TMB and DFAU were repressed. And there was nothing wrong about it, it's not as if it's illegal. Anyway, let me mention that Rihanna dicounted Only Girl to reach #1. Had she not done that, OG would not have reached #1. I also remmember many people here bitching how TMB was released on Monday. When Rihanna did that with WMN? no one was bitching. Also, had she not released WMN? on Monday, it probably would have not reached #1. And, BTW, Mariah is the queen of the charts. Let me also use some of very popular and annoying expressions here: "Haters, stay pressed. Your fave could neva." |
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Post by jamrock16 on Apr 11, 2011 16:28:01 GMT -5
^^Erm, there's no way you could make that assertion about "Only Girl". It very well could of been #1 that week had it been 30 cents more expensive.
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Post by neverduplicated on Apr 11, 2011 16:28:34 GMT -5
Wow- RiRi's label looks like it will go to any lengths to snare those No. 1s. It's like Mimi and her labels all over again. What lengths are those? Sending quality songs to radio, releasing singles with amazing re-sung remixes, and giving flawless and breathtaking performances on TV? |
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Post by worldwide on Apr 11, 2011 16:30:26 GMT -5
^^Erm, there's no way you could make that assertion about "Only Girl". It very well could of been #1 that week had it been 30 cents more expensive. We already had that discussion. OG increased due to price discount. If I remember correctly it was very close between her and Pink. |
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Post by d.t.m on Apr 11, 2011 16:45:50 GMT -5
It increased, but I don't think it did enough to justify its reaching #1. Since you brought up Mariah's IDJ #1's, WBT is the only debatable one for its first week at #1 with the free downloads.
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Post by slw84 on Apr 11, 2011 17:40:37 GMT -5
Only 3 of Mariah's #1s came under Def Jam. And only the latter two of those used a 'gimmick' ie: repression. The rest of Mariah's #1s were under Sony. Rihanna (Def Jam) is under Universal. exactly. only TMB and DFAU were repressed. And there was nothing wrong about it, it's not as if it's illegal. Anyway, let me mention that Rihanna dicounted Only Girl to reach #1. Had she not done that, OG would not have reached #1. I also remmember many people here bitching how TMB was released on Monday. When Rihanna did that with WMN? no one was bitching. Also, had she not released WMN? on Monday, it probably would have not reached #1. And, BTW, Mariah is the queen of the charts. Let me also use some of very popular and annoying expressions here: "Haters, stay pressed. Your fave could neva." LOL...and the crowd says...Amen! I didn't realize this. |
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Post by slw84 on Apr 11, 2011 17:45:49 GMT -5
It increased, but I don't think it did enough to justify its reaching #1. Since you brought up Mariah's IDJ #1's, WBT is the only debatable one for its first week at #1 with the free downloads. Well, Shake it off was hijacked by Gold digger so it is a wash. I hate to add to this but there was some drama in the 90s about Mariah/Sony repressing singles until the song was top 15 in airplay and then when she divorced Mottola she end up doing .99 c singles when everyone did their for $3. I remember being in jr high getting those cheep Heartbreaker, Thank god i found you and loverboy singles which had two completely different versions (different videos) sent to different formats. It really is genius and I'm surprised more don't do that...but then again not everyone has the versatility to go pop/urban/ac/hot ac/rhy/urban ac and get those multiformat smashes... |
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Post by nighttime on Apr 11, 2011 18:10:48 GMT -5
Didn't Mariah Carey discount her "Loverboy" single down to a few cents to get it's #2 placement? While it didn't hit #1, it was an attempt.
This whole idea that artists somehow "cheat" the charts is nonsense. They just know how to work them.
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Post by Lockheart on Apr 11, 2011 18:15:25 GMT -5
Why compare Rihanna and Mariah Carey. As far as I know, they're probably the two that do the repression and discounting more than any other artists. While some people don't like it, you can't deny that they're smart tactics. Every artist wants better positions on the charts, you can't blame them for wanting so. Plus, labels have the most say, so...
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Post by HolidayGuy on Apr 11, 2011 19:31:07 GMT -5
No,l neverdup, not that. :) There were "tactics" for singles that didn't hit No. 1, i.e. "Shake it Off," with stuff like "Send your iTunes receipts and win..." etc. etc. There was even stuff like that for tracks that peaked a lot lower. And, of course, Sony's history in the tactics is legendary. I don't consider "repression" a tactic, as that's common for more than one label- but we also have seen some tracks hit iTunes at the same time it hits radio and they sell great out of the gate. Mimi's label didn't do that with the last couple of albums- well, except for "Oh Santa." RiRi had the 99-cent pricing to boost "Only Girl" to the top, and this remix looks like a step to try to get "S&M" to the top, as it was looking like it was losing its show. |
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Post by weaver on Apr 11, 2011 19:41:35 GMT -5
Really not sure what Mariah has to do w/ any of this. Oh...right. It's HolidayGuy bringing her into the conversation just to drag her thru the mud. Old news.
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Post by pnobelysk on Apr 11, 2011 19:59:01 GMT -5
If there is no performance IDJ should have lowered it to 99 cents for the debut week only, but we'll see how this fares. The real question is how Katy really feels about this? i really dont think katy cares. she got her number one |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2011 20:42:06 GMT -5
This is a blatant attempt by Rihanna and/or her record label to get a #1 on the Hot 100 because without this, "S&M" looked like it was going to fall short. There may not be anything illegal about it, but it sure reeks of desperation.
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