Billboard Hot 100: 5/14/11

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May 2, 2011 13:04:09 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

But have there been any males over 40 either since let's say 2000?

Granted, it must be harder to female artists but not easy for men either.

Don't think so. Since the 90's the chart has been very youth oriented. You don't even find that many artists over 30 topping the chart these days, much less over 40.

[Enigma.]

Eminem (38), Snoop Dogg (38, California Gurls so mostly because of K. Perry) and Timbaland (36) are probably the eldest.

Eminem is the most likely to get number ones in the future too.

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Jamie Foxx is the last male over 40 who I recall having a major hit, going to #2 with "Blame It". You could argue that T-Pain was a major reason for that song's success though.

[Enigma.]

May 2, 2011 13:28:00 GMT -5 @jazzysoul47 said:

Jamie Foxx is the last male over 40 who I recall having a major hit, going to #2 with "Blame It". You could argue that T-Pain was a major reason for that song's success though.

David Guetta was 42 when Sexy Chick reached No. 5.

[HolidayGuy]

^And likewise, other acts were responsible for the success of that track. :)

brobot- there's also "That's What Friends Are For," but that was a star-studded charity affair.

The Mainstream Top 40 chart is at its highest total in terms of stations that comprise the panel, so that's partly why the top 10 is all 2010-2011 tracks.

[jebsib]

Santana is also an odd example.

Are his songs popular because of him, or because of Rob Thomas, Product G&B, Michelle Branch, Alex Band or Chad Kroeger? If not, then he's a pretty old dude!

[jebsib]

Patti Labelle and Aretha Franklin were in their early - mid 40s when they topped the Hot 100 in the 80s.

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May 2, 2011 15:39:47 GMT -5 jebsib said:

Santana is also an odd example.

Are his songs popular because of him, or because of Rob Thomas, Product G&B, Michelle Branch, Alex Band or Chad Kroeger? If not, then he's a pretty old dude!

Nah those songs were good because of Santana, the guest vocals were secondary

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This is all subjective. No one can truly pinpoint the exact reason for a song's success, so it's a pointless discussion. The only thing you can say for sure is that artists like Madonna, Jamie Foxx, and Santana had major hits after they hit 40 and that many of those hits featured other artists.

[badrobot]

To be a Madonna apologist for a second, of the 5 top ten hits she's had since turning 40 (Music, Don't Tell Me, Die Another Day, Hung Up, 4 Minutes), only 4 Minutes featured other artists. I suppose one could say that Hung Up sampled Abba, but considering that's an even older artist than Madonna is I doubt that gave her a leg up.

I think artists like Santana and David Guetta are unusual in that they are not singers so unless they release instrumental songs as singles (which is extremely rare), they have to collaborate.

[pnobelysk]

basically for the older than 40 acts the first single is USUALLY well received and can go far with the right fan support. its the 2nd single where they really dont hold up. the follow ups to obssesed, beleive, 4 minutes didnt catch even half the success as the leads.

[David]

May 2, 2011 11:58:43 GMT -5 jebsib said:

What HolidayGuy says is absolutely true. Acts - particularly females - over 35 have struggled at CHR for years. I grew up in an era when acts over 40 (Phil Collins, Steve Winwood, Diana Ross) could whistle and they would have a monster hit. Then came the 1990s.

Overly-researched radio playlists, a shift in Top 40 demos and the "cool factor" of the grunge / gangsta rap era changed the way radio programmers looked at hit radio. That bled over into their decisions to push 'the divas'.

People keep mentioning Cher's "Believ"e. That was a one off, very left field hit that even at the time was considered unusual. It didn't exactly help Donna Summer, Tina Turner or Cher herself after they re-used the Believe template the following year.

Sales have driven Madonna's last few hits to the top 10. The songs had no real lasting impact on the top 40 landscape.

I think Gwen MAY be okay for her next album because of her youthful looks, attitude and fashion sense. JLo had a moribund radio career for nine years until weekly exposure on American Idol presented her as 'current' and still looking amazingly young.

We'll see where Mariah lands after this very domestic period of her life.

I agree completely. I also think its important to note that unlike the 90's and most of the past 20 years, I feel like people, even the young ones, care less about age now. You're definitely right about pop shifting to more of a "cool factor" in the 90's and having a 40 year old on radio wasn't cool. But it seems like that's starting to not be the case anymore. To me it seems age isn't as important now as it was back in the 90's for determining what's "cool".

[Epic Fail]

snoop dog is only 38? He looks 50.

[Lockheart]

May 2, 2011 10:44:03 GMT -5 HolidayGuy said:

Who's "we"? I don't thin k everyone has been clamoring for a Jennifer Lopez comeback- she's hardly an act that people wait in anticipation, expecting a fantastic piece of work. Fun, throwaway- yeah, she delivers in that regard.

One cannot look at outside the USA as a measure of U.S. reception- other countries are not ageist like the USA- why someone like Madonna can reach No. 2 in UK airplay with a very mediocre track like "Celebration." And look how huge "Hung Up" was worldwide, while "only" peaking at No. 7 in the USA (and No. 42 airplay).

So, you're right, Idol probably didn't have much of an effect in the worldwide success of "On the Floor.' Did it play a part in the U.S. success? Most likely. As did Pitbull. *BTW- that "Fresh..." track wasn't even promoted, outside filming a video, correct? Plus, it was "Lola," not Jennifer Lopez. :) Like I said, we will see how a solo Lopez track fares at U.S. radio.

And, RE Spears and "Toxic"- how many times does one have to report that it did NOT reach 90m BDS audience? It peaked in the vicinity of 75m-80m. That is a fact. Mediabase may have been another story, when Mediabase totals were notably higher than BDS- but on BDS, no sir.

From the archives here
"Toxic" Radio Update - As of Monday 03/01/2004 - 9:22 am ET

CHR/Pop: #2 - Spins: 8134 - Move: +484 - Stations: 125 - Audience: 71.908 million
CHR/Rhythmic: #24 - Spins: 1432 - Move: +113 - Stations: 21+? - Audience: 11.222 million
Hot AC: #N/A - Spins: 176 - Move: +37 - Stations: 10 - Audience: 0.712 million
Modern AC: #99 - Spins: 11 - Move: +10 - Audience: 0.197 million

CHR/Pop Leaders: Mobile (131), Rochester (120), Miami (101 --> 1.632 million)
CHR/Rhythmic Leaders: Honolulu (97), Harrisburg (87), Omaha (84)
Hot AC Leaders: Tulsa (48), Indianapolis (31), El Paso (23)

Total Audience Impression: 84.039 million

Don't know what happened afterwards. The updates suddenly stopped

Britney's First week at #1
3 1 BRITNEY SPEARS Toxic 8437 7915 522 75.499

[hughster1]

May 2, 2011 13:27:51 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

Eminem (38), Snoop Dogg (38, California Gurls so mostly because of K. Perry) and Timbaland (36) are probably the eldest.

Eminem is the most likely to get number ones in the future too.

Jay-Z turned 40 about a week after "Empire State of Mind" first hit no. 1 and stayed there past his 40th birthday.

[leoapp]

Well, i think Alicia Keys helped a lot for ESOM's success.

Obsessed was released in 2009 and Mariah was 39 (however some sources claimed her birthdate year is 1969, she could be already 40 ). It hit top 5 Hot 100 Airplay right? And topping Rhytmic chart. And she had no featuring artist on that song.

[jebsib]

Alicia Keys helped ESOM a bit, but it was Jay-Z's second of three consecutive top 10 singles during a period when Alicia had failed to hit the top 20 with her previous 5 singles.

[hughster1]

May 2, 2011 21:12:38 GMT -5 leoapp said:

Well, i think Alicia Keys helped a lot for ESOM's success..

If you look at the relative chart placement of their respective singles on the Hot 100 released right before and right after "ESOM," it would seem that Jay-Z helped Alicia more than she helped him. Besides, he's the lead artist on the track.

[Lockheart]

May 2, 2011 21:12:38 GMT -5 leoapp said:

Well, i think Alicia Keys helped a lot for ESOM's success.

Obsessed was released in 2009 and Mariah was 39 (however some sources claimed her birthdate year is 1969, she could be already 40 ). It hit top 5 Hot 100 Airplay right? And topping Rhytmic chart. And she had no featuring artist on that song.

I don't understand this female divas and their birth years. J.Lo took off two years from her actual age, and now Mariah is either born in 69 or 70 :/

[poproyalty]

#1 - Katy Perry
#2 - Adele
#3 - Britney Spears, Nicki Minaj and Ke$ha

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May 2, 2011 21:12:38 GMT -5 leoapp said:

Well, i think Alicia Keys helped a lot for ESOM's success.

Obsessed was released in 2009 and Mariah was 39 (however some sources claimed her birthdate year is 1969, she could be already 40 ). It hit top 5 Hot 100 Airplay right? And topping Rhytmic chart. And she had no featuring artist on that song.

Eminem

[Enigma.]

May 2, 2011 17:47:45 GMT -5 Epic Fail said:

snoop dog is only 38? He looks 50.

40 this year, 38 when California Gurls was a hit.

And thanks to hughster for bringing Jay-Z up, I thought he's 35 or sth.

[BlueSwan]

Dr. Dre is a whopping 46 years old. Jay-Z is 41. Snoop is 39. Eminem is 38. Nas is 37. 50 Cent is 35.

It's kinda funny how old rappers are these days - hip hop is "supposed" to be a youth culture.

[gagagigigugu]

May 3, 2011 2:19:01 GMT -5 BlueSwan said:

Dr. Dre is a whopping 46 years old. Jay-Z is 41. Snoop is 39. Eminem is 38. Nas is 37. 50 Cent is 35.

It's kinda funny how old rappers are these days - hip hop is "supposed" to be a youth culture.

LOL..yeah..it's like telling them to "grow up!"

[KeepDeanWeird]

May 3, 2011 2:19:01 GMT -5 BlueSwan said:

Dr. Dre is a whopping 46 years old. Jay-Z is 41. Snoop is 39. Eminem is 38. Nas is 37. 50 Cent is 35.

It's kinda funny how old rappers are these days - hip hop is "supposed" to be a youth culture.

You mean "alleged" ages. Like actors (Catherine Zeta-Jones being the most blatant "41" when she's 51), musicians often trim a year or five. Unless you are foreign born and need visa, etc., you can get away with it. (After 9/11, it was discovered that several foreign baseball players were at least 3 to 5 years older when they had to produce their birth certificates. Pretty funny.)

[HolidayGuy]

Again, those "Toxic" numbers posted here were Mediabase- which, at that time, were even higher than they are today compared to BDS. "Toxic's" absolute BDS peak BDS- with a No. 10 airplay peak- was 75m-80m. (Beyonce, at No. 8- had 72.8m when "Toxic" inched back up 11-10 in its 12th week on the airplay chart).

BTW- notable is that both Aretha Franklin and Patti LaBelle's No. 1 '80s hits were collaborations. Plus, U.S. radio was a lot less ageist in the 80s than it became in the 90s and today.

[Verisimilitude]

May 3, 2011 8:49:32 GMT -5 HolidayGuy said:

Again, those "Toxic" numbers posted here were Mediabase- which, at that time, were even higher than they are today compared to BDS. "Toxic's" absolute BDS peak BDS- with a No. 10 airplay peak- was 75m-80m.

BTW- notable is that both Aretha Franklin and Patti LaBelle's No. 1 '80s hits were collaborations. Plus, U.S. radio was a lot less ageist in the 80s than it became in the 90s and today.

I think you can say post 1995, radio became ageist. Tina Turner, Rod Stewart, and Sting were still getting radio hits in the early 90's.

[HolidayGuy]

^Yes. Lo and behold, Rod Stewart had a top 5 with his live cover of "Have I Told You Lately" circa 1993, and he and Sting scored a 90s No. 1 on- guess what?- an all-star collaboration. ) Tina's top 10 was her soundtrack hit- then thereafter, she never scored another significant Hot 100 hit.

All of these examples support U.S. radio's increasing level of ageism, which has peaked in the 2000s.

And, yes, Santana's radio success unquestionably was aided by the younger acts who sang on them. Did Carlos even sing on those singles?

[jink]

May 3, 2011 8:26:16 GMT -5 KeepDeanWeird said:

May 3, 2011 2:19:01 GMT -5 BlueSwan said:

Dr. Dre is a whopping 46 years old. Jay-Z is 41. Snoop is 39. Eminem is 38. Nas is 37. 50 Cent is 35.

It's kinda funny how old rappers are these days - hip hop is "supposed" to be a youth culture.

You mean "alleged" ages. Like actors (Catherine Zeta-Jones being the most blatant "41" when she's 51), musicians often trim a year or five. Unless you are foreign born and need visa, etc., you can get away with it. (After 9/11, it was discovered that several foreign baseball players were at least 3 to 5 years older when they had to produce their birth certificates. Pretty funny.)

I doubt that. She probably just has smoker's face.

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May 3, 2011 9:00:26 GMT -5 HolidayGuy said:

^Yes. Lo and behold, Rod Stewart had a top 5 with his live cover of "Have I Told You Lately" circa 1993, and he and Sting scored a 90s No. 1 on- guess what?- an all-star collaboration. ) Tina's top 10 was her soundtrack hit- then thereafter, she never scored another significant Hot 100 hit.

All of these examples support U.S. radio's increasing level of ageism, which has peaked in the 2000s.

And, yes, Santana's radio success unquestionably was aided by the younger acts who sang on them. Did Carlos even sing on those singles?

A song called Maria Maria by The Product G&B would have done nothing.