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Post by badrobot on May 16, 2011 11:12:29 GMT -5
Where it'll debut The Edge of Glory ?? Probably top ten. There is a sliver of a chance of the lower portion of the top 5 even. |
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Post by beautynumber2 on May 16, 2011 13:56:59 GMT -5
Pink's only big hit from Funhouse, "So What," was out months before any of Beyonce's single. Nope, Pink had "So What" (#1 end of October) and "Sober" (#4 peak) from Funhouse. "If I Were a Boy" (#8 peak) was serviced to pop radio Oct. 12 and SL was later given an adds date and peaked at #1. She did fine amongst Pink Wrong again. Just Dance hit #1 (on pop) ONE week before SL hit #1 and Kelly had "Suck", "Hook Up" and "Already Gone" going in between Beyonce's "Halo" and "Dreams" which peaked in the top 5. I never mentionned her... Your post couldn't be any further from the truth. All of these ladies were in direct competition with one another from 4Q of 2008 to 1Q of 2009. They all released material during that time period and they all had big hits on pop during that period all while Beyonce was also able to have hits. So I'll repeat again, it's not a matter of competition as to why she is doing poorly, just lacklustre material. Where are you getting those Hot 100 peaks from? This is the Hot 100 topic, not POP. Pink's #1 came long before "Single Ladies" peaked. I'm really at a loss for what you're trying to argue. Theri comeptition on Pop radio? And just because a few pop stars have singles out the same time Beyonce does, does not mean they were in major competition, especially the way none of these songs peaked within the same weeks of each other. Pink, Lady Gaga, and Kelly Clarkson had POP airplay and some RHY, Beyonce had all 3 major formats so comparing their POP peaks is not a legitamate measure of thier competition when Beyonce still had RHY and URB play peaking at differnet times. I'm not speaking anymore about this since you're obviously arguing Beyonce's POP peaks when everyone knows she's a RHY and URB artist who almost always gets huge POP play. |
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2011 17:34:14 GMT -5
BEYONCE - Run The World (Girls): 21.402 (+ 0.895)
Best update in a long time...:)
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Post by beautynumber2 on May 16, 2011 18:12:51 GMT -5
BEYONCE - Run The World (Girls): 21.402 (+ 0.895) Best update in a long time...:) lol get that payola Bionci! |
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Post by Music.ology on May 16, 2011 21:20:02 GMT -5
BEYONCE - Run The World (Girls): 21.402 (+ 0.895) Best update in a long time...:) lol get that payola Bionci! why are mad? your favorite is not on the forbes top 10? |
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Post by jamrock16 on May 16, 2011 21:58:59 GMT -5
Nope, Pink had "So What" (#1 end of October) and "Sober" (#4 peak) from Funhouse. "If I Were a Boy" (#8 peak) was serviced to pop radio Oct. 12 and SL was later given an adds date and peaked at #1. She did fine amongst Pink Wrong again. Just Dance hit #1 (on pop) ONE week before SL hit #1 and Kelly had "Suck", "Hook Up" and "Already Gone" going in between Beyonce's "Halo" and "Dreams" which peaked in the top 5. I never mentionned her... Your post couldn't be any further from the truth. All of these ladies were in direct competition with one another from 4Q of 2008 to 1Q of 2009. They all released material during that time period and they all had big hits on pop during that period all while Beyonce was also able to have hits. So I'll repeat again, it's not a matter of competition as to why she is doing poorly, just lacklustre material. Where are you getting those Hot 100 peaks from? This is the Hot 100 topic, not POP. Pink's #1 came long before "Single Ladies" peaked. I'm really at a loss for what you're trying to argue. Theri comeptition on Pop radio? And just because a few pop stars have singles out the same time Beyonce does, does not mean they were in major competition, especially the way none of these songs peaked within the same weeks of each other. Pink, Lady Gaga, and Kelly Clarkson had POP airplay and some RHY, Beyonce had all 3 major formats so comparing their POP peaks is not a legitamate measure of thier competition when Beyonce still had RHY and URB play peaking at differnet times. I'm not speaking anymore about this since you're obviously arguing Beyonce's POP peaks when everyone knows she's a RHY and URB artist who almost always gets huge POP play. Comparing pop makes more sense because that is the format ALL of them get play on. While all the competition was able to get enormous pop play, so was Beyonce during the same period. So what if she receives play on urban and rhythmic? Oh well, she has multi-format appeal that the others don't. Plus, you're acting as if all the other ladies were getting 5 #1's on the Hot 100 while she was getting 0, which simply is not the case as all of them (sans GaGa who had 2) only had 1. I fail to see how Beyonce fell behind the competition, b/c quite frankly, she did not. |
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Post by gagagigigugu on May 16, 2011 22:41:50 GMT -5
wow...where is "Judas"??
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Post by singingsparrow on May 17, 2011 1:49:35 GMT -5
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Post by gagagigigugu on May 17, 2011 4:11:08 GMT -5
The chart's wearing an ear condom, duh! Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus hehe...irony at its best "Judas" is officially the best charting flop...ever! |
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Post by HolidayGuy on May 17, 2011 8:31:41 GMT -5
^Depends what the cutoff position would be for "flop." :) Other tracks have peaked higher and tumbled down the charts at equal or greater rates.
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Post by wolfmother on May 17, 2011 8:53:54 GMT -5
The chart's wearing an ear condom, duh! Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus hehe...irony at its best "Judas" is officially the best charting flop...ever! WRONG ! The title for best charting flop ever still belongs to Mariah Carey and "Loverboy". #2 on the Hot 100, #1 selling single of 2001 and yet even with this facts it's impossible for anyone to not consider this song as a flop. |
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Post by gagagigigugu on May 17, 2011 11:11:29 GMT -5
^Depends what the cutoff position would be for "flop." :) Other tracks have peaked higher and tumbled down the charts at equal or greater rates. i only heard "Judas" only once on Malaysian radio oh yeah, we are the same country which censored that BTW lyrics on bridge |
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Post by gagagigigugu on May 17, 2011 11:15:46 GMT -5
hehe...irony at its best "Judas" is officially the best charting flop...ever! WRONG ! The title for best charting flop ever still belongs to Mariah Carey and "Loverboy". #2 on the Hot 100, #1 selling single of 2001 and yet even with this facts it's impossible for anyone to not consider this song as a flop. wow..why it is considered a flop? |
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on May 17, 2011 11:28:34 GMT -5
hehe...irony at its best "Judas" is officially the best charting flop...ever! WRONG ! The title for best charting flop ever still belongs to Mariah Carey and "Loverboy". #2 on the Hot 100, #1 selling single of 2001 and yet even with this facts it's impossible for anyone to not consider this song as a flop. Yeah ok, if that helps you sleep at night. |
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Post by crystalphnx on May 17, 2011 11:29:03 GMT -5
WRONG ! The title for best charting flop ever still belongs to Mariah Carey and "Loverboy". #2 on the Hot 100, #1 selling single of 2001 and yet even with this facts it's impossible for anyone to not consider this song as a flop. wow..why it is considered a flop? its chart run is pretty awful: 79 - 75 - 59 - 55 - 61 - 60 - *2* - 2 - 9 - 24 - 49 - 73 - 89 - 95 - OUT it only spent 4 weeks in the Top 40 and 14 on the Hot 100. it only managed a peak of No. 50 on Hot 100 Airplay (when all of Mariah's previous lead singles had at least gone Top 20) and it was Mariah's first lead single from a studio album (not counting Merry Christmas) to miss No. 1 on the Hot 100. |
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on May 17, 2011 11:36:25 GMT -5
wow..why it is considered a flop? its chart run is pretty awful: 79 - 75 - 59 - 55 - 61 - 60 - *2* - 2 - 9 - 24 - 49 - 73 - 89 - 95 - OUT it only spent 4 weeks in the Top 40 and 14 on the Hot 100. it only managed a peak of No. 50 on Hot 100 Airplay (when all of Mariah's previous lead singles had at least gone Top 20) and it was Mariah's first lead single from a studio album (not counting Merry Christmas) to miss No. 1 on the Hot 100. That coupled with bad buzz from Glitter. The 49 cent single. Tommy M. releasing and discounting Bootlicious to .99 cents to ensure it would block it from No. 1. It's hard to believe it was 10 years ago. |
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on May 17, 2011 11:38:11 GMT -5
wow..why it is considered a flop? its chart run is pretty awful: 79 - 75 - 59 - 55 - 61 - 60 - *2* - 2 - 9 - 24 - 49 - 73 - 89 - 95 - OUT it only spent 4 weeks in the Top 40 and 14 on the Hot 100. it only managed a peak of No. 50 on Hot 100 Airplay (when all of Mariah's previous lead singles had at least gone Top 20) and it was Mariah's first lead single from a studio album (not counting Merry Christmas) to miss No. 1 on the Hot 100. That's far from being the biggest flop of all-time. |
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2011 11:44:35 GMT -5
it only managed a peak of No. 50 on Hot 100 Airplay (when all of Mariah's previous lead singles had at least gone Top 20) With the exception of "Honey" (which narrowly missed it), they all went top 10. To make matters worse, "Honey" would have surely been a top 10 airplay hit if R&B airplay (where it reached #4) had been factored in back in 1997. By 2001, R&B airplay was being factored into the Hot 100 Airplay chart (and so, it was included in the airplay total that got "Loverboy" to a measly #50). "Loverboy" peaked at #31 in R&B Airplay, #21 in Rhythmic airplay, and #37 in Mainstream Top 40 Airplay. #1 Vision of Love (3 weeks) #1 Emotions (4 weeks) #1 Dreamlover (11 weeks) #1 Fantasy (7 weeks) #11 Honey #8 Heartbreaker |
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2011 11:45:55 GMT -5
its chart run is pretty awful: 79 - 75 - 59 - 55 - 61 - 60 - *2* - 2 - 9 - 24 - 49 - 73 - 89 - 95 - OUT it only spent 4 weeks in the Top 40 and 14 on the Hot 100. it only managed a peak of No. 50 on Hot 100 Airplay (when all of Mariah's previous lead singles had at least gone Top 20) and it was Mariah's first lead single from a studio album (not counting Merry Christmas) to miss No. 1 on the Hot 100. That coupled with bad buzz from Glitter. The 49 cent single. Tommy M. releasing and discounting Bootlicious to .99 cents to ensure it would block it from No. 1. It's hard to believe it was 10 years ago. "Bootylicious" was actually reduced to 49 cents as well. "Loverboy" ended up outselling it anyway, but "Bootylicious" had much stronger airplay and the combination helped "Bootylicious" to soar to #1 from the lower end of the top 10 while "Loverboy" rocketed to #2 from the 60s. |
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Post by badrobot on May 17, 2011 12:13:29 GMT -5
its chart run is pretty awful: 79 - 75 - 59 - 55 - 61 - 60 - *2* - 2 - 9 - 24 - 49 - 73 - 89 - 95 - OUT it only spent 4 weeks in the Top 40 and 14 on the Hot 100. it only managed a peak of No. 50 on Hot 100 Airplay (when all of Mariah's previous lead singles had at least gone Top 20) and it was Mariah's first lead single from a studio album (not counting Merry Christmas) to miss No. 1 on the Hot 100. That's far from being the biggest flop of all-time. They were saying the "highest peaking flop." If you view a flop as a disappointment, then I'm pretty sure everyone involved viewed Loverboy as performing disappointingly. Combined with a #2 peak you've got... a high peaking flop. It's all extremely subjective though. A lot of people wouldn't say it's a flop just based on hitting #2. |
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2011 12:14:39 GMT -5
That's far from being the biggest flop of all-time. They were saying the "highest peaking flop." If you view a flop as a disappointment, then I'm pretty sure everyone involved viewed Loverboy as performing disappointingly. Combined with a #2 peak you've got... a high peaking flop. It's all extremely subjective though. A lot of people wouldn't say it's a flop just based on hitting #2. I think a few of the American Idol #1s were bigger flops than "Loverboy". |
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2011 12:20:28 GMT -5
Bootylicious :'( :'( Snatching wigs 10 years ago :'(
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Post by badrobot on May 17, 2011 12:23:25 GMT -5
They were saying the "highest peaking flop." If you view a flop as a disappointment, then I'm pretty sure everyone involved viewed Loverboy as performing disappointingly. Combined with a #2 peak you've got... a high peaking flop. It's all extremely subjective though. A lot of people wouldn't say it's a flop just based on hitting #2. I think a few of the American Idol #1s were bigger flops than "Loverboy". Everyone expects an AI #1 to plummet. I don't think any of the winners were like "oh bummer I only spent 1 week at #1." People expect Mariah to get big hits. Don't know why this seems so controversial. Everybody has songs that underperform, this is not some anti-Mariah crusade. She clearly is the #1s queen. |
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Post by crystalphnx on May 17, 2011 13:03:59 GMT -5
"flop" is such a dangerous (and obviously subjective) word, so I guess it's best to look at "Loverboy" as...a really epic disappointment. Mariah's my all-time favorite artist, so I'm not just here to "throw shade", but it's hard to deny that "Loverboy" was a truly epic disaster.
"Loverboy" wasn't just any lead single, it was the first single Mariah released on the Virgin label, so the buzz was huge and expectations were high. IIRC, wasn't Mariah's contract with Virgin one of the most expensive of all time (at the time)?
not to mention that "Loverboy" started Mariah's string of failures that lasted until "It's Like That". apart from her guest apperances on "I Know What You Want" and "U Make Me Wanna", none of Mariah's singles between "Loverboy" and "It's Like That" made the Top 40, with several of them missing the Hot 100 completely.
"Loverboy" is also (understandably) associated with the failure of Glitter (both movie + album) and Mariah's personal struggles that followed. so although "Loverboy" earned a respectable peak and had respectable sales, there's many reasons why it's considered such a significant disappointment.
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Post by badrobot on May 17, 2011 13:16:38 GMT -5
"flop" is such a dangerous (and obviously subjective) word, so I guess it's best to look at "Loverboy" as...a really epic disappointment. Mariah's my all-time favorite artist, so I'm not just here to "throw shade", but it's hard to deny that "Loverboy" was a truly epic disaster. "Loverboy" wasn't just any lead single, it was the first single Mariah released on the Virgin label, so the buzz was huge and expectations were high. IIRC, wasn't Mariah's contract with Virgin one of the most expensive of all time (at the time)? not to mention that "Loverboy" started Mariah's string of failures that lasted until "It's Like That". apart from her guest apperances on "I Know What You Want" and "U Make Me Wanna", none of Mariah's singles between "Loverboy" and "It's Like That" made the Top 40, with several of them missing the Hot 100 completely. "Loverboy" is also (understandably) associated with the failure of Glitter (both movie + album) and Mariah's personal struggles that followed. so although "Loverboy" earned a respectable peak and had respectable sales, there's many reasons why it's considered such a significant disappointment. This is fair. Let's not forget, Virgin paid $28 million to get OUT of a contract with Mariah after this era. I don't think anybody was happy with how things were going then. (Although, she certainly showed them by coming back a few years later in full force.) |
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Post by Honeymoon on May 17, 2011 13:21:39 GMT -5
Of course "flopping" is all relative. But surely anything that loses money for the record label (such as "Loverboy"/Glitter) can't be described as anything but a disappointment at least commercially.
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Post by HolidayGuy on May 17, 2011 13:25:29 GMT -5
Yah- four weeks in the top 40 (five in the top 50) is one of the worst performances for a No. 2 hit. The fact that that included CD single sales makes it even more disappointing.
"Judas" isn't a lead single, but its performance- by Gaga standards- is pretty disappointing.
Madonna's "Erotica" was her first lead single to miss No. 1 since her first album. Peaked at No. 3 in its second week on the chart and then dropped- it logged nine weeks in the top 40. A flop? Dunno, but it was disappointing chart performance for a lead Madonna single.
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Post by HolidayGuy on May 17, 2011 13:29:46 GMT -5
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Post by badrobot on May 17, 2011 13:32:12 GMT -5
Adelegend unstoppable.
Interesting that Gaga's EOG still gained despite the "8-day effect," although that may be because it debuted so late in the day last Monday. It may have a dip tomorrow before continuing to climb, assuming it does at least as well as Judas (I think it will do better).
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Post by Verisimilitude on May 17, 2011 15:46:24 GMT -5
Yah- four weeks in the top 40 (five in the top 50) is one of the worst performances for a No. 2 hit. The fact that that included CD single sales makes it even more disappointing. "Judas" isn't a lead single, but its performance- by Gaga standards- is pretty disappointing. Madonna's "Erotica" was her first lead single to miss No. 1 since her first album. Peaked at No. 3 in its second week on the chart and then dropped- it logged nine weeks in the top 40. A flop? Dunno, but it was disappointing chart performance for a lead Madonna single. But since MTV wouldn't play the video during daytime hours, and I suspect that radio stations wouldn't fully play it in the daytime every single day like other hits of that era, "Erotica" was sort of doomed. George Michael's "I Want Your Sex" was apparently banned from most stations due to its content but was still a decent radio hit... although I think MTV played an extremely edited version of its video during daytime rotation. |
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