Ashanti | "Braveheart" Era - 03/04/14

[George]

Mar 4, 2014 13:35:51 GMT -5 nardy08 said:

Funny how it's Never Should have that is the top selling song so far, and sits in the top 20! lol

Did it ever chart on the Hot 100? If not, I'd love for it to do so due to the album's release!

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I'm sure she's gonna end up back on a major for the next album. Ashanti seems very about her coin and she even admitted that she made some expensive mistakes as an independent artist. She also alluded to potential deals being made right now.

[MiniMusic]

Loving "First Real Love"... reggae bop!

[chalvvvvvvic]

Liking the Target bonus tracks.

[#LisaRinna]

18-21k first week.

[Rican@]

I think that's pretty good for the delays. I didn't even expect over 10K for her

[SHOOTER]

Mar 5, 2014 14:24:25 GMT -5 #LisaRinna said:

18-21k first week.

On par with what I expected considering there's no radio support for IGI. In comparison:

Ashanti debuted at #1 with 503k (3.6m to date).

Ashanti debuted at #1 with 326k (1.5m to date).

Concrete Rose debuted at #7 with 254k (1m to date).

The Declaration debuted at #6 with 86k (297k to date).

[think pink.]

Pretty good for being indie and no single pushed at radio.

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It's still a little embarrassing that only 12 years later, the woman who set the record for highest first week sales of a female debut can't even scan 50k first week out. But considering that she's been gone for half a decade, has no single at radio, has minimal promotion during release week and is a first time independent artist with questionable business savvy, I think this is a pretty good opening for her. I bet she could have gotten up to 30-35k if I Got It was pushed to radio.

[no apologist]

Mar 5, 2014 16:31:37 GMT -5 @soblu said:

It's still a little embarrassing that only 12 years later, the woman who set the record for highest first week sales of a female debut can't even scan 50k first week out. But considering that she's been gone for half a decade, has no single at radio, has minimal promotion during release week and is a first time independent artist with questionable business savvy, I think this is a pretty good opening for her. I bet she could have gotten up to 30-35k if I Got It was pushed to radio.

That's just the nature of this beastly industry. You got vets in the game for years who have sold MILLIONS that can't even get an album out due to flop single after flop single. It just goes to show that fans are fickle. I never understood that concept anyway. At the end of the day, my loyalty goes as far as the music. So if it ain't good, I'm not buying it, fan or not.

[no apologist]

Mar 4, 2014 13:35:51 GMT -5 nardy08 said:

Funny how it's Never Should have that is the top selling song so far, and sits in the top 20! lol

18-21k first week.

:)

[nardy08]

Mar 5, 2014 17:26:58 GMT -5 no apologist said:

Mar 4, 2014 13:35:51 GMT -5 nardy08 said:

Funny how it's Never Should have that is the top selling song so far, and sits in the top 20! lol

18-21k first week.

:)

That smile is right because with those 18k-21k CD's she has just pocketed OVER $100,000……factor in future sales, singles sales and any other kind of deals etc( other than the I Got It video, nothing else has much of a budget this era, i'd say she did 250k at most). Ashanti is WINNING with this release. 18k and all. ;

[Gray.]

^Lol you act like the collaborations and songwriters were free.

This album probably cost her label (so essentially just her) a fortune to make, and don't forget all the tracks and collaborations that didn't even make the album. There's no way Braveheart is going to turn a profit.

[SHOOTER]

Mar 6, 2014 1:20:20 GMT -5 Gray. said:

^Lol you act like the collaborations and songwriters were free.

This album probably cost her label (so essentially just her) a fortune to make, and don't forget all the tracks and collaborations that didn't even make the album. There's no way Braveheart is going to turn a profit.

Speaking of which, I find it odd there's no songwriting credits in the liner notes. Just the producer listed under each track.

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^I kind of doubt she hired any songwriters. Maybe the producers and collaborators contributed to the lyrics but I doubt she'd spend money hiring a bunch of other writers.

And I'm sure she won't make up for the money she put into booking studio time and pushing two singles at radio but at the same time, I think Ashanti is pretty stacked so I doubt making this album did much to affect that. If in the end she sells 50,000 copies and walks away with a couple hundred thousand dollars, I think she'll probably be satisfied.

It's like with Eve. Lip Lock definitely cost way more to put out than it turned over commercially but I don't think it did enough to dent her bank account. When you're paid, unless you're colossally overspending and not taking in ANY other income sources, it's not likely that a flop indie album is going to really affect your coin.

[SHOOTER]

Mar 6, 2014 1:33:10 GMT -5 @soblu said:

^I kind of doubt she hired any songwriters. Maybe the producers and collaborators contributed to the lyrics but I doubt she'd spend money hiring a bunch of other writers.

And I'm sure she won't make up for the money she put into booking studio time and pushing two singles at radio but at the same time, I think Ashanti is pretty stacked so I doubt making this album did much to affect that. If in the end she sells 50,000 copies and walks away with a couple hundred thousand dollars, I think she'll probably be satisfied.

It's like with Eve. Lip Lock definitely cost way more to put out than it turned over commercially but I don't think it did enough to dent her bank account. When you're paid, unless you're colossally overspending and not taking in ANY other income sources, it's not likely that a flop indie album is going to really affect your coin.

Good point. She has said she wrote all the songs but I expected at least a "all songs written by Ashanti Douglas" disclaimer if that were the case; I know for a fact that Don't Tell Me No was writing by a songwriting trio named Full Circle (including India Shawn).

[nardy08]

Mar 6, 2014 1:20:20 GMT -5 Gray. said:

^Lol you act like the collaborations and songwriters were free.

This album probably cost her label (so essentially just her) a fortune to make, and don't forget all the tracks and collaborations that didn't even make the album. There's no way Braveheart is going to turn a profit.

Let's be real, she had very few big collaborations and she IS the song writer. We all know the 'average' cost to make a track…..let's not forget Ashanti knows many people in the industry who helped her out(as she has even mentioned throughout this era). As i said, i'd say she spent no more than 250-300k. Just release week alone she has already made up over 100k of that (again not factoring in singles sales or OVERSEAS sales to which she has a pretty decent base in the UK and Japan).

[nardy08]

Mar 6, 2014 1:33:10 GMT -5 @soblu said:

^I kind of doubt she hired any songwriters. Maybe the producers and collaborators contributed to the lyrics but I doubt she'd spend money hiring a bunch of other writers.

And I'm sure she won't make up for the money she put into booking studio time and pushing two singles at radio but at the same time, I think Ashanti is pretty stacked so I doubt making this album did much to affect that. If in the end she sells 50,000 copies and walks away with a couple hundred thousand dollars, I think she'll probably be satisfied.

It's like with Eve. Lip Lock definitely cost way more to put out than it turned over commercially but I don't think it did enough to dent her bank account. When you're paid, unless you're colossally overspending and not taking in ANY other income sources, it's not likely that a flop indie album is going to really affect your coin.

Double post again but she's never pushed two singles at radio at the same time (when has she ever had 2 songs out???)….in fact this era has only seen 2 songs be pushed at radio- The Woman You Love and I got It(which may or may not have even gone for ads at this point)- and majority of the album work was done in the studio with LT Hutton( go figure), she considers him like fam so i highhhhhly doubt he charges her up the a**.

And remember, radio has been one of the biggest downfalls this era as she has very little push or promotion on the radio and even Ashanti herself has recently said she doesn't really have a radio team/support. So other than going to the stations herself and doing interviews, she didn't really use a big budget on that.

Btw Eve's Lip Lock in total hasn't even reached Ashanti's OW 18k mark………...

[no apologist]

Mar 5, 2014 21:40:21 GMT -5 nardy08 said:

Mar 5, 2014 17:26:58 GMT -5 no apologist said:

:)

That smile is right because with those 18k-21k CD's she has just pocketed OVER $100,000……factor in future sales, singles sales and any other kind of deals etc( other than the I Got It video, nothing else has much of a budget this era, i'd say she did 250k at most). Ashanti is WINNING with this release. 18k and all. ;

LOL at you making up receipts out of desperation. Now you scraping. Just accept the fact that your girl is way past her prime. All that arguing you did and the album flopped like we all knew it would. Sad, huh?

[no apologist]

Mar 6, 2014 1:33:10 GMT -5 @soblu said:

^I kind of doubt she hired any songwriters. Maybe the producers and collaborators contributed to the lyrics but I doubt she'd spend money hiring a bunch of other writers.

And I'm sure she won't make up for the money she put into booking studio time and pushing two singles at radio but at the same time, I think Ashanti is pretty stacked so I doubt making this album did much to affect that. If in the end she sells 50,000 copies and walks away with a couple hundred thousand dollars, I think she'll probably be satisfied.

It's like with Eve. Lip Lock definitely cost way more to put out than it turned over commercially but I don't think it did enough to dent her bank account. When you're paid, unless you're colossally overspending and not taking in ANY other income sources, it's not likely that a flop indie album is going to really affect your coin.

How you know she is "stacked"? Are you her accountant? It seems like she's just as desperate for a paycheck just like all the other has beens in her day. I doubt she's seriously caked like that otherwise she wouldn't be so eager. This girl hasn't been on top in years. The places she perform at are most likely night clubs. I wouldn't be surprised if she ended up on a reality show down the line for a check. No shade.

[nardy08]

Mar 6, 2014 11:26:15 GMT -5 no apologist said:

Mar 5, 2014 21:40:21 GMT -5 nardy08 said:

That smile is right because with those 18k-21k CD's she has just pocketed OVER $100,000……factor in future sales, singles sales and any other kind of deals etc( other than the I Got It video, nothing else has much of a budget this era, i'd say she did 250k at most). Ashanti is WINNING with this release. 18k and all. ;

LOL at you making up receipts out of desperation. Now you scraping. Just accept the fact that your girl is way past her prime. All that arguing you did and the album flopped like we all knew it would. Sad, huh?

Mar 6, 2014 11:33:05 GMT -5 no apologist said:

Mar 6, 2014 1:33:10 GMT -5 @soblu said:

^I kind of doubt she hired any songwriters. Maybe the producers and collaborators contributed to the lyrics but I doubt she'd spend money hiring a bunch of other writers.

And I'm sure she won't make up for the money she put into booking studio time and pushing two singles at radio but at the same time, I think Ashanti is pretty stacked so I doubt making this album did much to affect that. If in the end she sells 50,000 copies and walks away with a couple hundred thousand dollars, I think she'll probably be satisfied.

It's like with Eve. Lip Lock definitely cost way more to put out than it turned over commercially but I don't think it did enough to dent her bank account. When you're paid, unless you're colossally overspending and not taking in ANY other income sources, it's not likely that a flop indie album is going to really affect your coin.

How you know she is "stacked"? Are you her accountant? It seems like she's just as desperate for a paycheck just like all the other has beens in her day. I doubt she's seriously caked like that otherwise she wouldn't be so eager. This girl hasn't been on top in years. The places she perform at are most likely night clubs. I wouldn't be surprised if she ended up on a reality show down the line for a check. No shade.

You have just confirmed you are a troll, i shouldn't entertain but whatever….making up receipts? 18-21k is a fact and she HERSELF(as have many others) stated indie acts get about $5 and change from each album sale…..i know you're basic but surely you can do the math sweetie.

And your rationale and supposed knowledge of how the 'industry works' continue to baffle me…… case A) If she were so desperate she would have released the album YEARSSSSS ago, it's only logical if a person so badly wants coins that they wouldn't wait 5 years to collect money……. case B) An artist doesn't need to have been on top for years to be collecting money; again you of all people, considering your talk , should know better.Home girl has writing royalties and gets residual from films plus she has done lots of television work( which pays beaucoup money);

So much fail

It's okay that you don't care for her, it's called an opinion, however don't talk out of your ass with blind assumptions and then attack people who present factual information.

[#LisaRinna]

Mar 6, 2014 1:49:36 GMT -5 SHOOTER said:

Mar 6, 2014 1:33:10 GMT -5 @soblu said:

^I kind of doubt she hired any songwriters. Maybe the producers and collaborators contributed to the lyrics but I doubt she'd spend money hiring a bunch of other writers.

And I'm sure she won't make up for the money she put into booking studio time and pushing two singles at radio but at the same time, I think Ashanti is pretty stacked so I doubt making this album did much to affect that. If in the end she sells 50,000 copies and walks away with a couple hundred thousand dollars, I think she'll probably be satisfied.

It's like with Eve. Lip Lock definitely cost way more to put out than it turned over commercially but I don't think it did enough to dent her bank account. When you're paid, unless you're colossally overspending and not taking in ANY other income sources, it's not likely that a flop indie album is going to really affect your coin.

Good point. She has said she wrote all the songs but I expected at least a "all songs written by Ashanti Douglas" disclaimer if that were the case; I know for a fact that Don't Tell Me No was writing by a songwriting trio named Full Circle (including India Shawn).

WAIT so is sis tryna pull a Prince?

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no apologist:
Where is all this animosity coming from? Are you mad it wasn't your wack sideburns posted up and through TRL back in the day? Obviously I don't know the dollars and cents she has in her bank account but are you really acting like there's no way of estimating how much a celebrity is worth? She has certainly done enough in her career, combining albums sales, touring, royalties, movies and TV, endorsements and then the whole thing where she gets paid beaucoup bucks to be somebody's date or host a party in places like Dubai in recent years, to be well off. Like as quick to pop off as you were about how I didn't know about her financials, where are the receipts that she's scrounging for a check? I'll never understand why some people have such deep seated hate towards Ashanti like...was it that hard for you to see her winning 10 years ago?

nardy08:
Can you like...take it down a few pegs? I don't think Ashanti is feeding you, fucking you or funding you so there's no reason to get so hype. Read my post again, I said that she probably won't make up the lost investment of all the studio time she put in (it cost money to book the studios regardless of whether or not the producer is charging her) and the cost of pushing two singles to radio. She pushed The Woman You Love and Never Should Have to radio and shit is expensive. I did however say that I'm sure she'll walk away from this project with a few hundred thousand dollars and be fine with it because I doubt she's really expecting to eat off of Braveheart, which is a pretty similar situation to Eve. Neither one of them needed their indie projects to hit Platinum to be able to pay the light bill.

[no apologist]

Mar 6, 2014 13:03:54 GMT -5 @soblu said:

no apologist:
Where is all this animosity coming from? Are you mad it wasn't your wack sideburns posted up and through TRL back in the day? Obviously I don't know the dollars and cents she has in her bank account but are you really acting like there's no way of estimating how much a celebrity is worth? She has certainly done enough in her career, combining albums sales, touring, royalties, movies and TV, endorsements and then the whole thing where she gets paid beaucoup bucks to be somebody's date or host a party in places like Dubai in recent years, to be well off. Like as quick to pop off as you were about how I didn't know about her financials, where are the receipts that she's scrounging for a check? I'll never understand why some people have such deep seated hate towards Ashanti like...was it that hard for you to see her winning 10 years ago?

nardy08:
Can you like...take it down a few pegs? I don't think Ashanti is feeding you, f**king you or funding you so there's no reason to get so hype. Read my post again, I said that she probably won't make up the lost investment of all the studio time she put in (it cost money to book the studios regardless of whether or not the producer is charging her) and the cost of pushing two singles to radio. She pushed The Woman You Love and Never Should Have to radio and s**t is expensive. I did however say that I'm sure she'll walk away from this project with a few hundred thousand dollars and be fine with it because I doubt she's really expecting to eat off of Braveheart, which is a pretty similar situation to Eve. Neither one of them needed their indie projects to hit Platinum to be able to pay the light bill.

Yeah, I know you don't know, just like you don't know what race Kim has been since 96. Girl bye. Both Kim and Ashanti gon' be panhandling with all of these flops. Girl, you better get ready to pass around the collection plate while you sitting up here writing novels and stuff.

[Deleted]

Are...are you mad? Do you possess anger? Are you experiencing hardship in some kinda way?

[wavey.]

Stop.

[no apologist]

Mar 6, 2014 12:32:18 GMT -5 nardy08 said:

Mar 6, 2014 11:26:15 GMT -5 no apologist said:

LOL at you making up receipts out of desperation. Now you scraping. Just accept the fact that your girl is way past her prime. All that arguing you did and the album flopped like we all knew it would. Sad, huh?

Mar 6, 2014 11:33:05 GMT -5 no apologist said:

How you know she is "stacked"? Are you her accountant? It seems like she's just as desperate for a paycheck just like all the other has beens in her day. I doubt she's seriously caked like that otherwise she wouldn't be so eager. This girl hasn't been on top in years. The places she perform at are most likely night clubs. I wouldn't be surprised if she ended up on a reality show down the line for a check. No shade.

You have just confirmed you are a troll, i shouldn't entertain but whatever….making up receipts? 18-21k is a fact and she HERSELF(as have many others) stated indie acts get about $5 and change from each album sale…..i know you're basic but surely you can do the math sweetie.

And your rationale and supposed knowledge of how the 'industry works' continue to baffle me…… case A) If she were so desperate she would have released the album YEARSSSSS ago, it's only logical if a person so badly wants coins that they wouldn't wait 5 years to collect money……. case B) An artist doesn't need to have been on top for years to be collecting money; again you of all people, considering your talk , should know better.Home girl has writing royalties and gets residual from films plus she has done lots of television work( which pays beaucoup money);

So much fail

It's okay that you don't care for her, it's called an opinion, however don't talk out of your ass with blind assumptions and then attack people who present factual information.

Girl, aren't you tired? Forreal! How am I a troll for stating facts about Ashanti? Is Ashanti not a flop? Is she not a has been? Sweetie, you do know we are in 2014, right? This is not 2002. Obama is the president, Bush is not. Ashanti shaved her side burns and everything honey. Get with the times.

Honey, she couldn't release the album because she THOUGHT she could get a hit. Sadly she's on her 10th song and still no hit. She thought she would sell more, too, sadly she was mistaken. It sucks that it took her damn near 5 years just to put out an album that is only good enough to be a coaster. Good bye.

[no apologist]

Mar 6, 2014 14:24:58 GMT -5 @soblu said:

Are...are you mad? Do you possess anger? Are you experiencing hardship in some kinda way?

You came for me first honey. I was just asking you a question. Play with fire get burned. Simple as that. Good day.

[Deleted]

You started it when you came at me reckless talmbout am I her accountant like you had proof she was on her way to the food bank as we speak. I could give a shit about any of this but you came at ME boo.

I'm sleep tho.

[nardy08]

Mar 6, 2014 13:03:54 GMT -5 @soblu said:

no apologist:
Where is all this animosity coming from? Are you mad it wasn't your wack sideburns posted up and through TRL back in the day? Obviously I don't know the dollars and cents she has in her bank account but are you really acting like there's no way of estimating how much a celebrity is worth? She has certainly done enough in her career, combining albums sales, touring, royalties, movies and TV, endorsements and then the whole thing where she gets paid beaucoup bucks to be somebody's date or host a party in places like Dubai in recent years, to be well off. Like as quick to pop off as you were about how I didn't know about her financials, where are the receipts that she's scrounging for a check? I'll never understand why some people have such deep seated hate towards Ashanti like...was it that hard for you to see her winning 10 years ago?

nardy08:
Can you like...take it down a few pegs? I don't think Ashanti is feeding you, f**king you or funding you so there's no reason to get so hype. Read my post again, I said that she probably won't make up the lost investment of all the studio time she put in (it cost money to book the studios regardless of whether or not the producer is charging her) and the cost of pushing two singles to radio. She pushed The Woman You Love and Never Should Have to radio and s**t is expensive. I did however say that I'm sure she'll walk away from this project with a few hundred thousand dollars and be fine with it because I doubt she's really expecting to eat off of Braveheart, which is a pretty similar situation to Eve. Neither one of them needed their indie projects to hit Platinum to be able to pay the light bill.

I'm good, it's not called getting hype, it's called defending a stance i have. You can read my post again too, because all I'M saying is that no matter how much she spent, her budget wasn't ever THAT high so the project wouldn't be in the red that much if not at all. I'm surprised you are taking it personal by commenting, the majority of it was towards that other poster who was talking reckless..

Anyways, she never pushed Never Should have…when the song was released she was stationed off doing Army Wives(she even gave a ustream from the set); shortly after that she did the Christmas gig. If you followed closely, you would see she pushed Never Should Have no harder than she did with I Got It…and we are all in agreement of how that was handled.