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Post by josh on May 14, 2012 13:42:34 GMT -5
I assume it just recently came out? Seems like these songs typically get pulled.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2012 13:57:03 GMT -5
No they don't. There are ones for We Are Young that are over two months old and such. It's fully legal as it's done as "cover".
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2012 13:58:39 GMT -5
I see them all the time on UK iTunes since they hold back a lot of releases there. I remember a fake cover of We Found Love making (nearly?) top 20 before they finally released the real version of it.
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Post by josh on May 14, 2012 14:09:16 GMT -5
Oh, I think I remember ry4n telling me a cover got pulled, so I assumed that happened to most covers. Carly next iTunes #1?
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2012 14:11:55 GMT -5
From my understanding it's much easier to cover a song than get permission to sample or interpolate it. As long as the songwriters and publishers get paid..
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Post by Rodze on May 14, 2012 18:43:47 GMT -5
What is this version of "Call Me Maybe" at 86??? It's the usual scam thing that's been happening for hit songs lately. Someone does a cover version of the song and makes their band name part of the lyrics and puts it on iTunes for stupid people to buy. They price the singles lower so people assume the real one is on discount and buy it without looking. itunes.apple.com/us/album/call-me-maybe/id522199003?i=522199053&ign-mpt=uo%3D2I gather you weren't around for "All Summer Long"
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2012 20:00:13 GMT -5
All Summer Long had no original version though
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Post by giancarlo on May 14, 2012 20:04:28 GMT -5
I gather you weren't around for "All Summer Long" But that was a little different. People felt forced to buy the cover, due to the song's (and album's) absence from the iTunes catalog. I cannot believe anyone falling for those scams today.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2012 20:10:10 GMT -5
All Summer Long was a much different situation.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2012 20:12:46 GMT -5
lol - yes
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Post by badrobot on May 14, 2012 21:35:23 GMT -5
You don't need permission to record a cover. As long as you keep the lyrics the same and don't sample anything (i.e., use actual recorded elements from the original as opposed to performing your own version of it). The songwriter automatically gets paid via mechanical royalties.
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Post by chopped89 on May 15, 2012 1:07:25 GMT -5
My Life ft. Cee Lo Green - Slaughterhouse is now on iTunes
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on May 15, 2012 1:25:49 GMT -5
There needs to be better regulation of covers. There should be express written consent beforehand.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on May 15, 2012 1:42:44 GMT -5
Loving Outasights Now or Never. Perfect for pop radio
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Post by chopped89 on May 15, 2012 8:36:20 GMT -5
My Life #100
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Post by badrobot on May 15, 2012 8:55:02 GMT -5
There needs to be better regulation of covers. There should be express written consent beforehand. Why? Cover songs are how a lot of smaller artists start getting attention. Someone with no money, no lawyer, no manager isn't going to be able to easily obtain legal permission. Plus this saves the songwriters a lot of headache having to deal with paperwork and such -- they just automatically start getting money (as long as they are registered with a songwriting organization) if someone's cover is successful and earning money. The current rules are a win-win for everyone involved.
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Post by felipe on May 15, 2012 10:50:35 GMT -5
I don't get it. If you don't need permission to record a cover version of a song, why is it that Glee wasn't able to do Use Somebody a while ago because KoL wouldn't let them?
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2012 11:02:01 GMT -5
I thought Glee gets part of the profit?
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Post by Rodze on May 15, 2012 11:03:47 GMT -5
All Summer Long had no original version though I gather you weren't around for "All Summer Long" But that was a little different. People felt forced to buy the cover, due to the song's (and album's) absence from the iTunes catalog. I cannot believe anyone falling for those scams today. All Summer Long was a much different situation. Same situation: people buying a cover song either because they don't know or because they want to -- nobody was forced to buy anything. My point is that it's not a new development. These covers have existed for years (I can't say since the beginning of iTunes, but probably).
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Post by badrobot on May 15, 2012 11:07:28 GMT -5
I don't get it. If you don't need permission to record a cover version of a song, why is it that Glee wasn't able to do Use Somebody a while ago because KoL wouldn't let them? I believe the issue was over licensing for a television show, which is a separate matter. You need permission if you are putting a cover song in a video/TV show/movie.
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Post by felipe on May 15, 2012 15:28:03 GMT -5
I see.
Do you guys have any idea of how much one would have to pay to record a cover? Is it the same amount of money regardless of the song, or each song costs a different sum?
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Post by WotUNeed on May 15, 2012 18:15:25 GMT -5
Same situation: people buying a cover song either because they don't know or because they want to -- nobody was forced to buy anything. My point is that it's not a new development. These covers have existed for years (I can't say since the beginning of iTunes, but probably). I was about to provide a little history here, but when I Googled to remember the name of record labels that were releasing soundalikes in the '90s, I found this: This whole Kid Rock/Hit Masters situation reminds me of when The Offspring's "Pretty fly For a White guy" was covered by The Obscure and released as a CD single in the US because The Offspring version didn't have a commercial single available, lol. Yep, opportunist labels who release no-name cover records have been around for a while. For further reading, here's an article that mentions a few of the major players (Interhit and Under the Cover Records) of the 90s: www.villagevoice.com/content/printVersion/215434. I believe Under the Cover even managed to place one of their singles on the Hot 100, but I forget if it was Smack's "Walkin' on the Sun" or Chucklebutt's "Tubthumping." But here's one of my favourite sites, a discography and commentary on one of the most prominent early cover records labels: www.hitrecordsofnashville.com/. Pretty good numbers a lot of these sold, and that was even when the actual commercial singles for the real hits existed. Clearly, I've run out of original thoughts. The Hit Records website appears to not be loading right now, but here's an older version. Oh, and the Chucklebutt record is the one that made the Hot 100.
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Post by hazuki on May 15, 2012 18:58:17 GMT -5
36. Don't Forget Me - Smash Cast f/ Katharine McPhee :'(
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Post by cking33 on May 15, 2012 19:09:10 GMT -5
Same situation: people buying a cover song either because they don't know or because they want to -- nobody was forced to buy anything. My point is that it's not a new development. These covers have existed for years (I can't say since the beginning of iTunes, but probably). I was about to provide a little history here, but when I Googled to remember the name of record labels that were releasing soundalikes in the '90s, I found this: Yep, opportunist labels who release no-name cover records have been around for a while. For further reading, here's an article that mentions a few of the major players (Interhit and Under the Cover Records) of the 90s: www.villagevoice.com/content/printVersion/215434. I believe Under the Cover even managed to place one of their singles on the Hot 100, but I forget if it was Smack's "Walkin' on the Sun" or Chucklebutt's "Tubthumping." But here's one of my favourite sites, a discography and commentary on one of the most prominent early cover records labels: www.hitrecordsofnashville.com/. Pretty good numbers a lot of these sold, and that was even when the actual commercial singles for the real hits existed. Clearly, I've run out of original thoughts. The Hit Records website appears to not be loading right now, but here's an older version. Oh, and the Chucklebutt record is the one that made the Hot 100.[/quote] Stuff like this has been happening since the 50s. It's nothing new, really.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2012 19:16:56 GMT -5
I was just going to say, no one here is old enough to remember all the fake "Beatle" groups that came along and released albums with cover versions of their songs in the wake of their phenomenal success in 1964. Some of them complete with Meet The Beatles type record covers and Beatle wigs firmly planted on their heads.
Cashing in on a popular song or phenomenon is nothing new.
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Post by fridayteenage on May 15, 2012 20:51:30 GMT -5
36. Don't Forget Me - Smash Cast f/ Katharine McPhee Has any Smash song charted higher? Apparently the music combined had in 2 months sold just 235k with 48k from the pilot's Let Me Be Your Star. Comparably, Glee has had individual songs sell 200k in one week.
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Post by badrobot on May 15, 2012 21:23:25 GMT -5
I see. Do you guys have any idea of how much one would have to pay to record a cover? Is it the same amount of money regardless of the song, or each song costs a different sum? I haven't done this myself but it looks like through one popular service it is $15 per song and then 9 cents per copy sold. Interestingly the only differentiator in price seems to be length of song -- if it's over 5 minutes. Weirdly this site also says it costs 1 cent per stream which is actually more than you usually earn per stream. Hmm. www.songclearance.com/pricing
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Post by josh on May 15, 2012 21:56:25 GMT -5
Ok so I just bought the Bad Romance EP on iTunes. Its release year is 2009. I have stuff sorted by artist then year. However, even though all the stuff I mention is bought from iTunes and I haven't changed anything, it's sitting between Pokerface (2008) and LoveGame (2009) remix EPs... How do I get it to sit in the correct order? OCD here :'(
It's sitting at the very beginning of all Gaga's 2009 stuff, even though it was released towards the end of 2009. I'm confused lol
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Post by esoteric76 on May 16, 2012 11:56:16 GMT -5
^ Can I have your problems Josh? You can have mine, please!
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Post by josh on May 16, 2012 12:30:30 GMT -5
^ Can I have your problems Josh? You can have mine, please! I don't think you want my problems
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