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Post by forg on Mar 5, 2012 19:25:15 GMT -5
Train's Drive By is #12, looks like they'll have another big hit on the horizon
One Direction's What Makes You Beautiful is up to #16, will we see a battle between The Wanted and this in the future? We'll see
Jessie J's Domino didn't recover when it got shafted when Whitney Houston hits / Grammy-fuled songs took over. Too bad I was hoping it would have longevity in the top 10 but now airplay is decreasing as well but glad it made it to the Hot 100 top 10
Glad to see I Won't Give Up back up in the top 30
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Post by Honeymoon on Mar 5, 2012 19:52:41 GMT -5
As many waves as 1D and The Wanted have been making in America I haven't really seen much promo from the acts themselves yet. Surely that will be the test in which is more successful (although The Wanted have an upper hand at the moment)
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Post by CammyCan on Mar 5, 2012 19:59:33 GMT -5
One Direction are doing this well off of hype and limited airplay alone. I think they're going to be much more successful once the promotion kicks in.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Mar 5, 2012 20:15:16 GMT -5
It's boy band time again. I guess The Wanted will be #1 on the HOT 100 within the next 2 weeks or so...
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Post by Stefan85 on Mar 5, 2012 20:22:34 GMT -5
If only the single wasn't taken off iTunes WHILE it was at #2. Plus that pre-order mess, I mean honestly?! Just FYI, the single was already decreasing sales when it hit #2 before it was pulled, so it would have not become #1 even if it wasn't pulled Actually, I think it was like at a 9.8 pop bar before it was pulled, so I think it would have displaced "Stronger". Temporarily, of course.
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Post by Honeymoon on Mar 5, 2012 20:43:48 GMT -5
For Hot 100 #1, "We Are Young" for a couple weeks and then "Glad You Came" for another couple weeks would be ideal.
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Post by bigb0882 on Mar 5, 2012 21:56:37 GMT -5
Just FYI, the single was already decreasing sales when it hit #2 before it was pulled, so it would have not become #1 even if it wasn't pulled Actually, I think it was like at a 9.8 pop bar before it was pulled, so I think it would have displaced "Stronger". Temporarily, of course. It got close but it was decreasing before it was pulled. It was clearly NOT going to #1. Sorry, you can convince yourself all you want but it doesn't make it true.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2012 22:20:57 GMT -5
We still on the 1st Madonna song - LOL?
The end result of being pulled for a few minutes from itunes would have been exactly the same as if it had not been pulled
1 week barely in top 10 and then gone
No difference
The combination of the timing of the Super Bowl performance and the pre-purchased airplay bought the top 10 placement on the Hot 100 - let's be happy with that. By the time of Monday night when it was pulled for a few minutes, both the Super Bowl and radio time were over and it was already in decline
The few minutes lost would have made no difference, had it not been lost
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Post by Au$tin on Mar 5, 2012 22:27:22 GMT -5
I have 8 out of 10 songs in the top 10 on my iPod! :o That's got to be a personal record! It may be 9 soon as "Wild Ones" may grow on me. Also, "Call Me Maybe" finally made it to the top 10! And "Drive By" is so close to it. I want it to get to the top 10, but then again, I don't want "Good Girl" to be out of the top 10 either.
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Post by Stefan85 on Mar 5, 2012 22:36:47 GMT -5
Actually, I think it was like at a 9.8 pop bar before it was pulled, so I think it would have displaced "Stronger". Temporarily, of course. It got close but it was decreasing before it was pulled. It was clearly NOT going to #1. Sorry, you can convince yourself all you want but it doesn't make it true. Wait, are you talking about iTunes or the Hot 100? iTunes, I'm sure of. Hot 100, obviously not.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2012 22:41:20 GMT -5
It got close but it was decreasing before it was pulled. It was clearly NOT going to #1. Sorry, you can convince yourself all you want but it doesn't make it true. Wait, are you talking about iTunes or the Hot 100? iTunes, I'm sure of. Hot 100, obviously not. Even itunes, this wasn't going to #1 either - sorry. It was already in decline
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2012 22:46:44 GMT -5
Still. It lost the Top 10 effect which lost potential buyers.
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Post by Honeymoon on Mar 5, 2012 22:51:32 GMT -5
^Either way, even if it never got temporarily removed it would've only *maybe* gotten a slightly higher Hot 100 peak but the chart run would've been just as lackluster which is more indicative of its lukewarm success anyway.
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Post by Au$tin on Mar 5, 2012 22:52:44 GMT -5
Yeah, the removal of the song from iTunes for a few hours doesn't change the fact the song went on to fall hard and flop in the U.S.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2012 22:53:22 GMT -5
Oh, I'm not denying that. It still would've peaked in the lower end of the top 10 and only spent 4-5 weeks on the Hot 100.
It would've fallen out of the iTunes top 10 the way Live My Life has.
Speaking of which, it's all the way down to 35 now. Wasn't it #2 like 3 days ago. :o
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2012 22:55:29 GMT -5
The album was plastered on the front page, people looking for it knew it was there. It was back in the top 10 the next day. The few minutes lost had no effect of ny kind
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Post by kml567 on Mar 5, 2012 23:33:41 GMT -5
One Direction are doing this well off of hype and limited airplay alone. I think they're going to be much more successful once the promotion kicks in. One Direction has the benefit of Nickelodeon heavily promoting them, so I think the promotion has already started kicking in for their key demo (age 6-16 crowd). From those teeny-boppers perspective, promotion for them already started weeks/months ago probably. Simon Cowell is expecting them to debut at #1 on the album chart, and I predict that will happen. The power of Nickelodeon (or Disney) is probably equivalent to getting 100m+ audience impression on radio, as we have seen from Bieber/Jonas Bros/Demi Lovato album sales.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Mar 5, 2012 23:35:49 GMT -5
More like boy "group" time.
Yes- still on that first Madonna single, apparently. hehe I would not call a top 10 single placement a "flop"- no disputing it was a fleeting hit, but I know that I never expected it to be some long-lasting hit- just not the way it is for acts of a certain age, no matter what music they release. Depending on one's expectations, I suppose you could label it a "disappointment."
Now, if was the album that spent a week at No. 10 and dropped as GMAYL has dropped, that would be far more of a flop. The single added to her top 10 tally, and continued the streak of each album of all-new material housing at least one top 10 hit.
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Post by Honeymoon on Mar 5, 2012 23:52:26 GMT -5
More like boy "group" time. Yes- still on that first Madonna single, apparently. hehe I would not call a top 10 single placement a "flop"- no disputing it was a fleeting hit, but I know that I never expected it to be some long-lasting hit- just not the way it is for acts of a certain age, no matter what music they release. Depending on one's expectations, I suppose you could label it a "disappointment." Now, if was the album that spent a week at No. 10 and dropped as GMAYL has dropped, that would be far more of a flop. The single added to her top 10 tally, and continued the streak of each album of all-new material housing at least one top 10 hit. A #10 peak is nice but a peak alone doesn't qualify it as an actual hit in the general sense (ie. long term). Taylor Swift album tracks have peaked in the top ten and have had similar chart runs to this Madonna single. Point is, yeah a #10 peak looks good on paper but when all the money that has gone into it and the Superbowl promo is factored in, I'd say it's a fairly disappointing run. And before the radio argument is brought in, "4 Minutes" (and indeed "Hung Up") had a much better run on the Hot 100 with limited radio support. I just don't think GMAYL connected with the public. How much this will impact the album's performance remains to be seen but given that Hard Candy didn't have much longevity (and that was with the support of a hit single) doesn't bode well for MDNA chart-wise beyond its first week anyway. I'm just rambling now, but I guess my point is that GMAYL hasn't really sustained that hype for the album as well as it should have given the massive campaign it had.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Mar 6, 2012 9:01:03 GMT -5
"4 Minutes" had limited radio support? If one considers a No. 11 airplay peak limited support (a peak which it attained in its 7th or 8th week), then perhaps. ;) Would "4 Minutes" have done as well as it did without Justin Timberlake's involvement? Most likely not. Fact that it fit in with radio trends also helped. And of course peak alone doesn't indicate how big of a hit a single was. But, it's just us chart nerds who delve deeper into that stuff- the average Joe sees the peak and doesn't think much of anything else. No one's disputing that GMAYL didn't connect with the general public- which makes sense. I said back in the American Life era that people didn't connect with those singles (title track, "Hollywood") because they were so Madonna-centric. Add on to that that they weren't among her best singles- and neither is GMAYL (though I do think it's catchy and fun). And then throw on top of that the age issue. No matter what the music is, Madonna faces an uphill battle at U.S. radio. How are other people and not I seeing the receipts for how much money has gone into the MDNA campaign? Do share those receipts. I don't think Hard Candy reaped too many benefits of the "4 Minutes"success- the single sold nearly 3 million- and HC sold just a little more than American Life. So, who knows if MDNA will perform similarly, despite not having a big single (even considering album sales have dropped). On a current iTunes note- "Girl Gone Wild" surprisingly isn't free-falling- back up to No. 46.
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Post by Honeymoon on Mar 6, 2012 9:31:57 GMT -5
"4 Minutes" had limited radio support? If one considers a No. 11 airplay peak limited support (a peak which it attained in its 7th or 8th week), then perhaps. ;) Would "4 Minutes" have done as well as it did without Justin Timberlake's involvement? Most likely not. Fact that it fit in with radio trends also helped. And of course peak alone doesn't indicate how big of a hit a single was. But, it's just us chart nerds who delve deeper into that stuff- the average Joe sees the peak and doesn't think much of anything else. No one's disputing that GMAYL didn't connect with the general public- which makes sense. I said back in the American Life era that people didn't connect with those singles (title track, "Hollywood") because they were so Madonna-centric. Add on to that that they weren't among her best singles- and neither is GMAYL (though I do think it's catchy and fun). And then throw on top of that the age issue. No matter what the music is, Madonna faces an uphill battle at U.S. radio. How are other people and not I seeing the receipts for how much money has gone into the MDNA campaign? Do share those receipts. I don't think Hard Candy reaped too many benefits of the "4 Minutes"success- the single sold nearly 3 million- and HC sold just a little more than American Life. So, who knows if MDNA will perform similarly, despite not having a big single (even considering album sales have dropped). On a current iTunes note- "Girl Gone Wild" surprisingly isn't free-falling- back up to No. 46. My bad about the "4 Minutes" airplay peak but surely Nicki Minaj is just as much as a chart force as Timberlake/Timbaland was in 2008? I truly believe it's down to the song itself, which many (not just myself) seem to think isn't as strong as "4 Minutes" let alone her previous work. I don't know about you but the GMAYL video looks like it cost a pretty penny and I saw quite a few ads for the song/album pre-order at the time of the Superbowl so that's why I brought up the money thing. Either way, this is all going in circles... my point was that considering the huge Superbowl campaign, this has been an underwhelming performance for the single. And considering there's already little interest for single #2 (we still have the video to come, mind) isn't a great sign for the album past week #1. But we'll just have to wait and see :)
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Post by HolidayGuy on Mar 6, 2012 10:04:27 GMT -5
^Agreed. If the album gets a No. 1 debut, I don't expect it to linger there a second week. Considering how long her last few albums have spent in the top 10, I don't expect this one to perform much better. Nor do I think that singles performance would have much of a role in the album's fortunes, anyhow (see "4 Minutes"). Madonna is an act who can move a certain number of albums and not rely on huge radio hits. Look at Ray of Light- the album sold far better than the singles overall fared at radio. "Frozen" was the only single that topped 30 million audience at its peak (peaked at around 60m). In no way do I think MDNA will perform like a Ray of Light, mind you.
Considering the lack of airplay, video, etc. GGW isn't performing too badly on iTunes right now (inching back up to 44).
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Post by Enigma. on Mar 6, 2012 12:26:33 GMT -5
Regarding The Wanted vs. One Direction - I think the latter has the advantage in the long run. GYC seems to be more of a hit because of the song, it sounds very 2011-12. WMYB on the other hand is a classic boyband tune and they have a bigger following as a band.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Mar 6, 2012 13:31:56 GMT -5
Call me crazy, but I am actually sort of looking forward to a boyband comeback in America. For the past few years we have had an endless stream of pop girls wearing slinky clothing, bright colors, and making mostly similar sounding music to one another. Very few actual male pop acts have been successful lately. Yes, I realize there have been a few-I just mean on a whole. It will be interesting to see if boybands can take a little of the pop attention back to them.
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Post by singingsparrow on Mar 6, 2012 13:35:30 GMT -5
Call me crazy, but I am actually sort of looking forward to a boyband comeback in America. For the past few years we have had an endless stream of pop girls wearing slinky clothing, bright colors, and making mostly similar sounding music to one another. Very few actual male pop acts have been successful lately. Yes, I realize there have been a few-I just mean on a whole. It will be interesting to see if boybands can take a little of the pop attention back to them. Even though I'm well aware both The Wanted and One Direction are essentially male groups........."Glad You Came" has never once struck me as what would sound like a "boy band" track, categorically. I initially thought it was a solo dance-centric male vocalist when I heard it, frankly. I haven't even heard "What Makes You Beautiful" yet, though. But from what I gather, if The Wanted is any indication..........I find it suspect we can even consider these groups "boy bands". By that logic, Train and Maroon 5 would have to be boy bands too (alright, man bands, whatever! ;) ). Namaste, lisping HIBISCUS
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2012 14:55:51 GMT -5
10. Shadow Days - John Mayer
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Post by gracelessheart on Mar 6, 2012 15:28:31 GMT -5
10. Shadow Days - John Mayer :o I'm with you. Wow.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Mar 6, 2012 15:57:52 GMT -5
Lisping-perhaps sloppy of me, but I honestly haven't heard Glad You Came yet and I have heard one One Direction song once ha ha. I was very young when BSB/Nsync first came so my definition of boyband is perhaps narrower than others. People playing instruments and writing their own music does not scream boyband to me. However, five cute young guys who dance or just look cute during videos, wear matching clothing during photoshoots, and release teen friendly pop music=boyband to me. I know that is a narrow use because a lot of people do call the first definition boybands and pretty much characterize any grouping of people instruments or not as a boyband which I guess means pretty much every band in the world is a boyband?
Oh well. In my usage, I mainly mean the structure, visuals, and launch of groups like BSB or Nsync which both One Direction and The Wanted remind me of greatly and it is fun to see that "type" coming back.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2012 16:29:44 GMT -5
"4 Minutes" had limited radio support? If one considers a No. 11 airplay peak limited support (a peak which it attained in its 7th or 8th week), then perhaps. ;) Would "4 Minutes" have done as well as it did without Justin Timberlake's involvement? Most likely not. Fact that it fit in with radio trends also helped. And of course peak alone doesn't indicate how big of a hit a single was. But, it's just us chart nerds who delve deeper into that stuff- the average Joe sees the peak and doesn't think much of anything else. No one's disputing that GMAYL didn't connect with the general public- which makes sense. I said back in the American Life era that people didn't connect with those singles (title track, "Hollywood") because they were so Madonna-centric. Add on to that that they weren't among her best singles- and neither is GMAYL (though I do think it's catchy and fun). And then throw on top of that the age issue. No matter what the music is, Madonna faces an uphill battle at U.S. radio. How are other people and not I seeing the receipts for how much money has gone into the MDNA campaign? Do share those receipts. I don't think Hard Candy reaped too many benefits of the "4 Minutes"success- the single sold nearly 3 million- and HC sold just a little more than American Life. So, who knows if MDNA will perform similarly, despite not having a big single (even considering album sales have dropped). On a current iTunes note- "Girl Gone Wild" surprisingly isn't free-falling- back up to No. 46. My bad about the "4 Minutes" airplay peak but surely Nicki Minaj is just as much as a chart force as Timberlake/Timbaland was in 2008? I truly believe it's down to the song itself, which many (not just myself) seem to think isn't as strong as "4 Minutes" let alone her previous work. I don't know about you but the GMAYL video looks like it cost a pretty penny and I saw quite a few ads for the song/album pre-order at the time of the Superbowl so that's why I brought up the money thing. Either way, this is all going in circles... my point was that considering the huge Superbowl campaign, this has been an underwhelming performance for the single. And considering there's already little interest for single #2 (we still have the video to come, mind) isn't a great sign for the album past week #1. But we'll just have to wait and see :) Nicki Minaj has been on at least a 100 tracks in the past 2 years, no one cares anymore. Justin Timberlake had a lot more hype.
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Post by Honeymoon on Mar 6, 2012 17:43:29 GMT -5
I think "no cares anymore" is a bit harsh. She currently has a top ten single that's on the rise.
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