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Post by chartfreak on Nov 6, 2018 22:17:44 GMT -5
If bots want to pay for songs why cant the sales be counted? Because it's not real people. It's literally cheating. It's not even a legitimate sales/marketing tactic, it's literally fraud. If you allowed these bots to make legitimate sales purchases to count for the charts, they become pointless as nothing would stop everyone from doing it. It suddenly becomes a chart of who is the richest. But I thought it was fans in China just changing their VPN so they can purchase it since it wasn't available in China yet. |
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Post by Au$tin on Nov 6, 2018 22:19:51 GMT -5
Because it's not real people. It's literally cheating. It's not even a legitimate sales/marketing tactic, it's literally fraud. If you allowed these bots to make legitimate sales purchases to count for the charts, they become pointless as nothing would stop everyone from doing it. It suddenly becomes a chart of who is the richest. But I thought it was fans in China just changing their VPN so they can purchase it since it wasn't available in China yet. How does that make it better? People from Country B are affecting the charts that are only supposed to represent Country A. Again, it's fraud. |
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Post by Kris on Nov 6, 2018 22:33:12 GMT -5
It's definitely not fraud, it's more along the terms of accidental manipulation. Fraud would be them gaining something monetarily, which unless you count more exposure in the US inadvertently, it's just changing the chart without having any intention of it. They're still paying their own money for it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2018 0:30:36 GMT -5
I'm sure some of those purchases were real consumers with VPNs (not that this makes it any more acceptable if they are not actually from the US), but the way Wu's songs immediately spiked from dark red to dark green to push Ariana's percentage back more than 45% in one update is not a natural buying pattern. You're not just seeing the moment when the programmers screamed in fear, you are seeing the moment they were all given the same nap break. They were probably woken up by an emergency alarm set to go off if another song reached 98%.
Fraud doesn't necessarily have to result in direct financial gain for the purchaser(s). Anything that purposely manipulates results for a desired outcome (chart position, free press, higher visibility to real consumers who might make a curiosity purchase) would be considered fraudulent.
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Post by Ryan on Nov 7, 2018 0:55:43 GMT -5
Kris Wu currently occupies the top 7 spots. How???? Who is this guy? K-pop. Will be gone as fast as BTS usually drops. Not K-Pop but Chinese Pop, atually. |
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Post by leonagwen on Nov 7, 2018 7:43:21 GMT -5
Another Kpop guy hits the top 10, Jackson Wang.
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Post by Kris on Nov 7, 2018 10:29:13 GMT -5
I'm sure some of those purchases were real consumers with VPNs (not that this makes it any more acceptable if they are not actually from the US), but the way Wu's songs immediately spiked from dark red to dark green to push Ariana's percentage back more than 45% in one update is not a natural buying pattern. You're not just seeing the moment when the programmers screamed in fear, you are seeing the moment they were all given the same nap break. They were probably woken up by an emergency alarm set to go off if another song reached 98%. Fraud doesn't necessarily have to result in direct financial gain for the purchaser(s). Anything that purposely manipulates results for a desired outcome (chart position, free press, higher visibility to real consumers who might make a curiosity purchase) would be considered fraudulent. Ah I see, well if it was solely to manipulate the charts then I suppose, I just thought I'd give the legitimate people the benefit of the doubt. I guess some people are a little too addicted to chart positioning. |
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Post by owenlovesmusic on Nov 9, 2018 10:03:24 GMT -5
All Pop/Rock Top 10
1. thank u, next - Ariana Grande
2. Without Me - Halsey
3. Shallow - Lady Gaga & Bradley Cooper
4. High Hopes - Panic! At the Disco
5. Happier - Marshmello & Bastille
6. Different Game - Jackson Wang
7. Chances - Backstreet Boys
8. Bohemian Rapsody - Queen
9. Natural - Imagine Dragons
10. Breathin’ - Ariana Grande
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Post by chartfreak on Nov 20, 2018 0:05:10 GMT -5
Can anyone explain the current increase for Avril Lavigne and Chainsmokers on the iTunes top 100?
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Post by pnobelysk on Nov 20, 2018 0:33:28 GMT -5
Can anyone explain the current increase for Avril Lavigne and Chainsmokers on the iTunes top 100? Avril was on dancing with the stars finale (maybe Chainsmokers were too?) |
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Post by jtd Thee Stallion on Nov 20, 2018 2:26:44 GMT -5
Can anyone explain the current increase for Avril Lavigne and Chainsmokers on the iTunes top 100? Chainsmokers performed at halftime during the Monday Night Football game |
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Post by sbme on Nov 22, 2018 21:30:26 GMT -5
What caused Colbie Caillat's "Never Gonna Let You Down" to jump to the top 20 on iTunes so suddenly? Was it performed somewhere or included in a commercial?
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Post by Kris on Nov 22, 2018 21:41:19 GMT -5
According to Kworb High Hopes is about to hit #1. What did I Write Sins Not Tragedies hit?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2018 6:01:25 GMT -5
According to Kworb High Hopes is about to hit #1. What did I Write Sins Not Tragedies hit? #8 according to the Digital Song Sales chart. |
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Post by Gary on Dec 5, 2018 23:20:28 GMT -5
Friends - Michael W Smith at #9
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Post by rfucom on Dec 7, 2018 22:33:13 GMT -5
What's the cause for the sudden surge of Sunflower? The movie isnt out yet
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Post by L.Kennedy on Dec 26, 2018 14:23:06 GMT -5
"High Hopes" #1 on US iTunes right now.  |
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Post by pnobelysk on Dec 26, 2018 17:25:24 GMT -5
While the gift card surge was minimal this year, it still did trend young yesterday with arianna thank you next soaring to the top and tons of Billie elisish songs climbing the chart
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Post by Choco on Dec 26, 2018 17:27:15 GMT -5
Remember when several songs would sell over 400k this week? That was really fun to watch. Might be just because the Spotify crowd favors material I don't enjoy, but the iTunes charts were way more fun to follow.
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Post by rainie on Dec 27, 2018 18:48:59 GMT -5
Who are these awful Upchurch folks and why is their album selling so well
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Post by Enigma. on Dec 29, 2018 12:31:53 GMT -5
Shallow #5, coming for that #1 again lol
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Post by chartfreak on Jan 1, 2019 10:50:45 GMT -5
ABC's New Years special is helping quite a few old songs move up the iTunes chart.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Jan 1, 2019 11:44:47 GMT -5
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Post by billboardtopten on Jan 10, 2019 16:00:24 GMT -5
Lol @ Baby Shark gaining traction
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Post by amore on Jan 10, 2019 20:08:58 GMT -5
I love baby shark
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Post by amore on Jan 10, 2019 20:09:04 GMT -5
I wish pop stars debuted
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Post by amore on Jan 10, 2019 20:09:16 GMT -5
Last thing is K pop is lit. Goodnight.
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Post by Dylan :) on Jan 21, 2019 4:06:07 GMT -5
It’s weird that Shallow is still #3 on the iTunes chart. Always Remember Us This Way is still #18 and dark green
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Post by kimberly on Jan 21, 2019 5:51:36 GMT -5
It’s weird that Shallow is still #3 on the iTunes chart. Always Remember Us This Way is still #18 and dark green Helping the gains might be the digital release of the movie last week. People who buy movies in 2019 are probably the same people who buy individual songs in 2019. |
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