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Post by dth1971 on Aug 6, 2011 20:40:12 GMT -5
Next week's show will be interesting...I expect 4 songs to debut and I am curious how they will handle the long running songs like Dynamite, Tonight, Perfect, Stars, FU, and The First Time with a bunch of new songs cracking the Top 40. Mediabase has these songs shuffling all around the 31-40 arena but it appears AT40 has stabalized them to the point where it would look odd for them to jump a few notches. Can't wait for the action to unfold next week. Not sure if these are the songs you're referring to, but "You Make Me Feel", "Rain Over Me", "Stereo Hearts", and "Pumped Up Kicks" are now all in the mid-20s on Mediabase but nowhere to be seen on AT40. Even accounting for AT40 being a bit behind they should be on there (they're all on Rick Dees' show this week.) Amusingly, Ke$ha holds at #24 during her 24th week. If Nicki Minaj's "Super Bass" had debuted a week later, her listing on the above AT40 chart would win her something from a slot machine! What do you mean by that?
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Post by dth1971 on Aug 6, 2011 20:43:58 GMT -5
Next week's show will be interesting...I expect 4 songs to debut and I am curious how they will handle the long running songs like Dynamite, Tonight, Perfect, Stars, FU, and The First Time with a bunch of new songs cracking the Top 40. Mediabase has these songs shuffling all around the 31-40 arena but it appears AT40 has stabalized them to the point where it would look odd for them to jump a few notches. Can't wait for the action to unfold next week. Not sure if these are the songs you're referring to, but "You Make Me Feel", "Rain Over Me", "Stereo Hearts", and "Pumped Up Kicks" are now all in the mid-20s on Mediabase but nowhere to be seen on AT40. Even accounting for AT40 being a bit behind they should be on there (they're all on Rick Dees' show this week.) Are these 4 songs you mentioned not yet on the AT40 chart about to suffer "My Happy Ending" syndrome like "Moves Like Jagger" has?
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Post by Lozzy on Aug 6, 2011 21:17:26 GMT -5
Next week's show will be interesting...I expect 4 songs to debut and I am curious how they will handle the long running songs like Dynamite, Tonight, Perfect, Stars, FU, and The First Time with a bunch of new songs cracking the Top 40. Mediabase has these songs shuffling all around the 31-40 arena but it appears AT40 has stabalized them to the point where it would look odd for them to jump a few notches. Can't wait for the action to unfold next week. Not sure if these are the songs you're referring to, but "You Make Me Feel", "Rain Over Me", "Stereo Hearts", and "Pumped Up Kicks" are now all in the mid-20s on Mediabase but nowhere to be seen on AT40. Even accounting for AT40 being a bit behind they should be on there (they're all on Rick Dees' show this week.) You Make Me Feel - 7/17: #41 - 7/24: #30 Rain Over Me - 7/17: #72: - 7/24: #44 Stereo Hearts - 7/17: #66 - 7/24: #48 Pumped Up Kicks - 7/17: #95 - 7/24: #59 'You Make Me Feel' should debut next week I would think, but for the other three, there's nothing wrong with it at all.
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Post by mkarns on Aug 6, 2011 21:26:31 GMT -5
Amusingly, Ke$ha holds at #24 during her 24th week. If Nicki Minaj's "Super Bass" had debuted a week later, her listing on the above AT40 chart would win her something from a slot machine! What do you mean by that? If you're talking about the Nicki Minaj reference, she would have had three 7's in a row using the chart format at the start of this thread if she had one less week on AT40 (#7 last week, #7 this week, and 7 weeks on the countdown).
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Post by Lozzy on Aug 6, 2011 21:27:26 GMT -5
What do you mean by that? If you're talking about the Nicki Minaj reference, she would have had three 7's in a row using the chart format at the start of this thread if she had one less week on AT40 (#7 last week, #7 this week, and 7 weeks on the countdown). And what's more special about 7-7-7 than 24-24-24?
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Post by richie on Aug 6, 2011 21:45:56 GMT -5
If you're talking about the Nicki Minaj reference, she would have had three 7's in a row using the chart format at the start of this thread if she had one less week on AT40 (#7 last week, #7 this week, and 7 weeks on the countdown). And what's more special about 7-7-7 than 24-24-24? 7 is a lucky number. I'm always pointing out these jackpots. Sort of fun.
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Post by dth1971 on Aug 7, 2011 9:43:27 GMT -5
And I hope "Moves Like Jagger" has a big debut position next week!
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Post by Lozzy on Aug 7, 2011 9:50:35 GMT -5
And I hope "Moves Like Jagger" has a big debut position next week! I know. ![](http://yoursmiles.org/ssmile/fun/s0244.gif)
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Post by richie on Aug 7, 2011 10:21:31 GMT -5
What a lively discussion this week! There were 44 songs, instead of 42, in addition to the optional extras. Maybe we're getting less of the stimulating interviews? I think Rihanna's S&M has had the word "sex" muffled the past few weeks. Anyone else agree? Both she and Britney get back-to-back songs this week. 16 songs stayed put compared to 12 last week. 16 seems like a lot, but I'm not sure. Ryan said that you can check out the first Blink 182 track in 8 years at his sites, and that Lady GaGa has written a new song for Cher's new album. Joe Jonas gets more promotion. BTW he gave two pieces of good advice last week: Live like you're at the bottom, even if you're at the top. And, watch the people around you. Learn from their mistakes so you don't make the same ones.
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Post by †ealsünset on Aug 7, 2011 10:24:40 GMT -5
Exactly...I think his countdown is influenced a little by both...alot of Disney stars seem to dominate his countdown and more rhythmic leaning CHR hits don't appear to do as well. Plus, his son, Kevin, does a Teen Top 20 countdown show on his website. Does Radio Disney, a kid owned radio station network, air Rick Dees Weekly Top 40? No, everything Radio Disney airs is produced by them with their DJs. They have aired a Top 30 Countdown on the weekend since 1996 that went by listener requests only until 2007 when it changed to weekly listener requests and airplay to move out recurrents more quickly. This webpage is updated weekly with their Top 30 and I have records going back to 2000 if you want them. radio.disney.go.com/music/top30.html
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Post by mkarns on Aug 7, 2011 13:47:48 GMT -5
What a lively discussion this week! There were 44 songs, instead of 42, in addition to the optional extras. Maybe we're getting less of the stimulating interviews? I think Rihanna's S&M has had the word "sex" muffled the past few weeks. Anyone else agree? It seemed to me that a lot of songs were shortened this week, presumably to fit in two additional extras. Muffling "sex" in S&M, if it happened, makes no sense, as presumably most radio stations know what it alludes to and played it anyway. And in "ET" AT40 always leaves in Kanye's lines about alien sex and "disrobe you and probe you"--not much ambiguity there. The letter about "Meet Me Halfway" was kind of funny, as Ryan noted that the letter writer said that the Black Eyed Peas' song requested was better than Kenny Loggins' "version" and played part of the Loggins song, which has nothing in common with the BEP song other than the title.
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Post by dth1971 on Aug 7, 2011 14:23:58 GMT -5
Does Radio Disney, a kid owned radio station network, air Rick Dees Weekly Top 40? No, everything Radio Disney airs is produced by them with their DJs. They have aired a Top 30 Countdown on the weekend since 1996 that went by listener requests only until 2007 when it changed to weekly listener requests and airplay to move out recurrents more quickly. This webpage is updated weekly with their Top 30 and I have records going back to 2000 if you want them. radio.disney.go.com/music/top30.htmlI wonder if Radio Disney ever plays Taio Cruz's "Dynamite".
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Post by richie on Aug 7, 2011 14:36:07 GMT -5
What a lively discussion this week! There were 44 songs, instead of 42, in addition to the optional extras. Maybe we're getting less of the stimulating interviews? I think Rihanna's S&M has had the word "sex" muffled the past few weeks. Anyone else agree? Muffling "sex" in S&M, if it happened, makes no sense, as presumably most radio stations know what it alludes to and played it anyway. And in "ET" AT40 always leaves in Kanye's lines about alien sex and "disrobe you and probe you"--not much ambiguity there. They take out the word "sex" in The Lazy Song, though.
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Post by musicfanpete on Aug 7, 2011 16:21:49 GMT -5
Next week's show will be interesting...I expect 4 songs to debut and I am curious how they will handle the long running songs like Dynamite, Tonight, Perfect, Stars, FU, and The First Time with a bunch of new songs cracking the Top 40. Mediabase has these songs shuffling all around the 31-40 arena but it appears AT40 has stabalized them to the point where it would look odd for them to jump a few notches. Can't wait for the action to unfold next week. Not sure if these are the songs you're referring to, but "You Make Me Feel", "Rain Over Me", "Stereo Hearts", and "Pumped Up Kicks" are now all in the mid-20s on Mediabase but nowhere to be seen on AT40. Even accounting for AT40 being a bit behind they should be on there (they're all on Rick Dees' show this week.) Amusingly, Ke$ha holds at #24 during her 24th week. If Nicki Minaj's "Super Bass" had debuted a week later, her listing on the above AT40 chart would win her something from a slot machine! It's really not that difficult to explain this. AT40 usually has around ten songs on the countdown that have already been moved to the recurrent list on Mediabase. That means a song really has to make the top 30 on the Mediabase CHR chart before a song even debuts on AT40. Add the 2 to 3 week lag time and it will take a song 2 or 3 weeks after hitting the Mediabase CHR top 30 before a song debuts on the AT40 CHR chart. And there is no such thing as the "My Happy Ending syndrome" either. It probably took some extra time for that song to climb the Mediabase chart, therefore delaying its debut onto AT40. Once it debuted it probably peaked two weeks after hitting its peak on Mediabase. Finally, regarding how Rick Dees compiles his chart, well many of us on the Hot AC thread like to refer to his chart as the "dartboard" chart as sometimes it seems like he just compiles his own personnal chart based on the Hot AC chart. Who knows, but as the "official" Rick Dees Hot AC chart "expert" on the Hot AC board, I personally like Rick's charts better than the stale, slow moving AT40 charts anyday. Whether he uses some sort of affiliate chart, 80's methodology, "dartboard method", requests, or a combination of all of the above, it makes for a faster moving and fresher chart which really does allow for newer music to be played. I'll take Rick's Hot AC and CHR charts over AT40's Hot AC and CHR charts anyday!
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Post by musicfanpete on Aug 7, 2011 16:26:10 GMT -5
Muffling "sex" in S&M, if it happened, makes no sense, as presumably most radio stations know what it alludes to and played it anyway. And in "ET" AT40 always leaves in Kanye's lines about alien sex and "disrobe you and probe you"--not much ambiguity there. They take out the word "sex" in The Lazy Song, though. Yeah, but they leave in the far more offensive lyric regarding where he puts his hand! IMO, that particular lyric is FAR more raunchy than using the word sex in a song, and again illustrates how inconsistent the "sensors" are when editing music before it hits the air.
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Post by dth1971 on Aug 7, 2011 20:57:43 GMT -5
Not sure if these are the songs you're referring to, but "You Make Me Feel", "Rain Over Me", "Stereo Hearts", and "Pumped Up Kicks" are now all in the mid-20s on Mediabase but nowhere to be seen on AT40. Even accounting for AT40 being a bit behind they should be on there (they're all on Rick Dees' show this week.) Amusingly, Ke$ha holds at #24 during her 24th week. If Nicki Minaj's "Super Bass" had debuted a week later, her listing on the above AT40 chart would win her something from a slot machine! It's really not that difficult to explain this. AT40 usually has around ten songs on the countdown that have already been moved to the recurrent list on Mediabase. That means a song really has to make the top 30 on the Mediabase CHR chart before a song even debuts on AT40. Add the 2 to 3 week lag time and it will take a song 2 or 3 weeks after hitting the Mediabase CHR top 30 before a song debuts on the AT40 CHR chart. And there is no such thing as the "My Happy Ending syndrome" either. It probably took some extra time for that song to climb the Mediabase chart, therefore delaying its debut onto AT40. Once it debuted it probably peaked two weeks after hitting its peak on Mediabase. Finally, regarding how Rick Dees compiles his chart, well many of us on the Hot AC thread like to refer to his chart as the "dartboard" chart as sometimes it seems like he just compiles his own personnal chart based on the Hot AC chart. Who knows, but as the "official" Rick Dees Hot AC chart "expert" on the Hot AC board, I personally like Rick's charts better than the stale, slow moving AT40 charts anyday. Whether he uses some sort of affiliate chart, 80's methodology, "dartboard method", requests, or a combination of all of the above, it makes for a faster moving and fresher chart which really does allow for newer music to be played. I'll take Rick's Hot AC and CHR charts over AT40's Hot AC and CHR charts anyday! But the "My Happy Ending" syndrome was because of a Mediabase error for that Avril Lavigne song to make the AT40 chart until during a guest host week it finally entered at #13!
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Post by musicfanpete on Aug 7, 2011 21:48:28 GMT -5
It's really not that difficult to explain this. AT40 usually has around ten songs on the countdown that have already been moved to the recurrent list on Mediabase. That means a song really has to make the top 30 on the Mediabase CHR chart before a song even debuts on AT40. Add the 2 to 3 week lag time and it will take a song 2 or 3 weeks after hitting the Mediabase CHR top 30 before a song debuts on the AT40 CHR chart. And there is no such thing as the "My Happy Ending syndrome" either. It probably took some extra time for that song to climb the Mediabase chart, therefore delaying its debut onto AT40. Once it debuted it probably peaked two weeks after hitting its peak on Mediabase. Finally, regarding how Rick Dees compiles his chart, well many of us on the Hot AC thread like to refer to his chart as the "dartboard" chart as sometimes it seems like he just compiles his own personnal chart based on the Hot AC chart. Who knows, but as the "official" Rick Dees Hot AC chart "expert" on the Hot AC board, I personally like Rick's charts better than the stale, slow moving AT40 charts anyday. Whether he uses some sort of affiliate chart, 80's methodology, "dartboard method", requests, or a combination of all of the above, it makes for a faster moving and fresher chart which really does allow for newer music to be played. I'll take Rick's Hot AC and CHR charts over AT40's Hot AC and CHR charts anyday! But the "My Happy Ending" syndrome was because of a Mediabase error for that Avril Lavigne song to make the AT40 chart until during a guest host week it finally entered at #13! Okay, if that was the situation then I wasn't aware of it or I forgot about it. My bad there. However, in the case of Maroon5's "Moves Like Jagger", that's not the issue here. It's not on AT40 yet because it just entered the Mediabase top 30 last week at #23. This week it moved up to #20. Therefore, since AT40 is two weeks behind, this song should debut in the high 20's or low 30's next week. If it debuts in the upper 30's, that means they most likely used a midweek chart which would not line up with the weekly Mediabase charts. Either way it should most definitely be on the AT40 chart by the weekend of August 20th with a very high debut to boot. If it fails to chart by then, then I would concede that it would be an error on AT40's part.
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Post by Top 40 Tracker on Aug 8, 2011 2:23:03 GMT -5
Musicfan is right...he is seeing the pattern clear as day...that is why my prediction below should be pretty close to the real chart next week. Those debuts look real solid...especially after Ryan played the new BEPs last week.
The only issue I see is with Never Gonna Leave This Bed...it may stay (it went up the chart) and that would cause Rain Over Me not to debut...
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7 4 2 2 1 LMFAO Party Rock Anthem *1wk #1* 9 5 5 3 2 KATY PERRY Last Friday Night (T.G.I.F) 1 1 1 1 3 PITBULL Give Me Everything 3 3 4 5 4 LADY GAGA The Edge Of Glory 13 11 7 7 5 NICKI MINAJ Super Bass 2 2 3 4 6 ADELE Rolling In The Deep 14 13 11 8 7 ONEREPUBLIC Good Life 12 12 12 10 8 HOT CHELLE RAE Tonight Tonight 31 16 14 14 9 BRITNEY SPEARS I Wanna Go 10 9 9 9 10 JASON DERULO Don't Wanna Go Home 8 6 6 6 11 LUPE FIASCO The Show Goes On 6 8 8 11 12 BLACK EYED PEAS Just Can't Get Enough -- 38 24 20 13 LIL WAYNE How To Love 4 7 8 12 14 KATY PERRY E.T. 29 25 18 18 15 DAVID GUETTA/FLO RIDA/NICKI MINAJ Where Them Girls At 5 10 13 13 16 BRUNO MARS Lazy Song 28 22 19 17 17 THE BAND PERRY If I Die Young -- -- 40 29 18 BAD MEETS EVIL Lighters 33 28 22 21 19 BEYONCE Best Thing I Never Had 23 17 17 16 20 NICOLE SCHERZINGER Right There 11 14 15 15 21 BRITNEY SPEARS Till The World End 40 35 28 25 22 CHRIS BROWN She Ain't You 15 15 16 19 23 JENNIFER LOPEZ F/PITBULL On The Floor 19 19 21 23 24 RIHANNA S&M -- 39 36 27 25 JENNIFER LOPEZ I'm Into You 27 23 20 22 26 RIHANNA California King Bed 20 21 23 24 27 KE$HA Blow 26 29 29 26 28 THE SCRIPT For The First Time -- -- -- -- 29 COBRA STARSHIP You Make Me Feel 25 31 31 31 30 CEE LO GREEN F**k You (Forget You) -- -- -- -- 31 MAROON 5 F/CHRISTINA AGUILERA Moves Like Jagger 35 37 37 37 32 TAIO CRUZ Dynamite 34 36 38 38 33 ENRIQUE IGLESIAS Tonight f/Ludacris 22 30 30 30 34 TINIE TEMPAH Written In The Stars 32 34 34 34 35 PINK F**kin' Perfect -- -- -- 36 36 AVRIL LAVIGNE Smile -- -- -- -- 37 BLACK EYED PEAS Don't Stop The Party -- -- -- 40 38 IYAZ Pretty Girls -- -- -- -- 39 PITBULL Rain Over Me 21 27 33 35 40 MARTIN SOLVEIG & DRAGONETTE Hello
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Post by Top 40 Tracker on Aug 8, 2011 2:27:14 GMT -5
Price Tag is #40 on Rick Dees' chart...it's also #7 on the Disney Top 30...it's the only chart that I could find that song ranked anywhere...
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Post by dth1971 on Aug 8, 2011 8:51:01 GMT -5
Price Tag is #40 on Rick Dees' chart...it's also #7 on the Disney Top 30...it's the only chart that I could find that song ranked anywhere... The Price Tag song could not make Ryan's AT40 chart, I guess...
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Post by †ealsünset on Aug 8, 2011 9:43:58 GMT -5
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Post by johnnywest on Aug 8, 2011 13:15:35 GMT -5
Exactly...I think his countdown is influenced a little by both...alot of Disney stars seem to dominate his countdown and more rhythmic leaning CHR hits don't appear to do as well. Plus, his son, Kevin, does a Teen Top 20 countdown show on his website. Well, on a 'Disney' or kid/tween-oriented CHR, I would think that they would favor recurrents such as 'E.T.', considering there would be a lesser spectrum of hits they can play compared to a CHR aimed at an older audience. That's what I was thinking. Which makes it weirder why 'E.T.' is so low. ![](http://yoursmiles.org/ssmile/fun/s0244.gif) Rick hasn't mentioned Mediabase in years, so I don't think they have anything to do with them, especially since the company is part of Clear Channel and they're Westwood One. And as much as I like "E.T.," I have no complaints that the song is so low on the chart, since I like the way Rick has such a fast turnover rate. The oldest song, "Price Tag," has only been around for 21 aired weeks. That's far less than half of AT40's longest-running song, "Dynamite."
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Post by johnnywest on Aug 8, 2011 13:20:43 GMT -5
They take out the word "sex" in The Lazy Song, though. Yeah, but they leave in the far more offensive lyric regarding where he puts his hand! IMO, that particular lyric is FAR more raunchy than using the word sex in a song, and again illustrates how inconsistent the "sensors" are when editing music before it hits the air. He could just be scratching his balls. Even if that's not the case, there have been far more explicit songs that hit the Top 40 dealing with that subject, such as "I Touch Myself" by Divinyls and "You're Makin' Me High" by Toni Braxton.
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Post by johnm1120 on Aug 8, 2011 13:45:06 GMT -5
They take out the word "sex" in The Lazy Song, though. Yeah, but they leave in the far more offensive lyric regarding where he puts his hand! ![](http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_RL9oA8SJbus/SvXG2tNmYlI/AAAAAAAAAew/6GA87yViiiY/s320/al+bundy+hand+in+pants.jpg)
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Post by Au$tin on Aug 9, 2011 16:37:30 GMT -5
Yeah, but they leave in the far more offensive lyric regarding where he puts his hand! ![](http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_RL9oA8SJbus/SvXG2tNmYlI/AAAAAAAAAew/6GA87yViiiY/s320/al+bundy+hand+in+pants.jpg) My thoughts exactly. ![:d](http://images.proboards.com/cheesy.gif) My local pop & rhythmic just spin the normal whistle version. My local hot AC (or one of them anyway) has "Meet a really nice girl, have some really nice *whistle*"
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Post by David on Aug 10, 2011 14:29:25 GMT -5
34 34 (01) P!nk - "F**kin' Perfect" (2 weeks at #1) Wow! That has only spent 1 week on the chart but was 34 last week and spent 2 weeks at #1? ![:giggle:](//storage.proboards.com/1258812/images/KYziZwTotWGtjvzyvGqr.gif)
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